Quick Notes on Boyd Comp Program

[redietz]

I derive no income from the Wise Guys Contest unless I win something, if that's what you're asking.

No I was as asking if there was an entry fee in 2017.

The copy seems pretty specific to 2018...the 33rd year of the contest.

It says for 2018 "the participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money."

The entry fee part is understood, but what does "gambled with their own money" mean, how did it work?

You have no idea? You don't remember?...you're full of shit.

LOL. Coach, you know as much about sports betting as I do about endocrinology, maybe less. The Wise Guys Contest description is self explanatory. And if you're truly so baffled, all you have to do is call them or email them. Surely you can do that.

If you don't understand Word One about sports gambling, or you can't fathom simple contest rules, why would you expect me to explain it to you?

Boz seems to have rattled you a bit. Just sayin'. And in the interest of fairness, you really should post Boz's WoV sayonara here. You know where it is. You probably always did. Be a good, fair adjudicator and post it.

[AndrewG]

AndrewG: If you are just playing for the buffet, you may well lose more than it is worth. I think that 8/5 BP is more like $70 per TC. I wish that someone on this board liked posting mathematical calculations so that no one had to rely on my memory or guestimates. A TC is just $5 coin in on slots. I have also heard about a number of people who were gifted TR's and higher tiers. It aint me babe, but best of luck to the rest of you.

I've played blackjack there but I played baccarat until they removed it at Suncoast. I was initially attracted to their promotion for free buffets for one tier credit until I discovered the difficulty in getting one credit. No points for video poker and the points for table play didn't show up the same day.

What's this about tier credits being gifted?

Even $70 coin in at Bonus Poker seems like it's too expensive.

[Rob.Singer]

I derive no income from the Wise Guys Contest unless I win something, if that's what you're asking.

No I was as asking if there was an entry fee in 2017.

The copy seems pretty specific to 2018...the 33rd year of the contest.

It says for 2018 "the participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money."

The entry fee part is understood, but what does "gambled with their own money" mean, how did it work?

You have no idea? You don't remember?...you're full of shit.

LOL. Coach, you know as much about sports betting as I do about endocrinology, maybe less. The Wise Guys Contest description is self explanatory. And if you're truly so baffled, all you have to do is call them or email them. Surely you can do that.

If you don't understand Word One about sports gambling, or you can't fathom simple contest rules, why would you expect me to explain it to you?

Boz seems to have rattled you a bit. Just sayin'.

Why don't you just answer one question for a change instead of always deflecting. Who cares what you want to think about someone rattling somebody? Just answer something for once and while you're at it, try giving an explanation why none of the horn-tooting you've done for yourself has never found its way to the internet.

[wasilla]

AndrewG: If you are just playing for the buffet, you may well lose more than it is worth. I think that 8/5 BP is more like $70 per TC. I wish that someone on this board liked posting mathematical calculations so that no one had to rely on my memory or guestimates. A TC is just $5 coin in on slots. I have also heard about a number of people who were gifted TR's and higher tiers. It aint me babe, but best of luck to the rest of you.

I've played blackjack there but I played baccarat until they removed it at Suncoast. I was initially attracted to their promotion for free buffets for one tier credit until I discovered the difficulty in getting one credit. No points for video poker and the points for table play didn't show up the same day.

What's this about tier credits being gifted?

Even $70 coin in at Bonus Poker seems like it's too expensive.

There have been a number of people reporting that Boyd just gave them extra unearned tier credits. Sometimes this gets them to the next level and sometimes it doesn't

[coach belly]

The Wise Guys Contest description is self explanatory.

The first line of text under the page headline says for 2018 "the contest goes back to its original roots, when the participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money."

That implies that the rules changed for 2018.

The rules listed at the link you provided are for 2014. They talk about points awarded for winning selections, and the prize pool coming from the $200 entry fee, but I couldn't find anything about participants gambling with their own money within the structure of the contest.

The rules for 2018 aren't posted, so how did they change? How did the participants gambling with their own money fit into the contest rules?

You keep dancing around this question...why?

[AndrewG]

AndrewG: If you are just playing for the buffet, you may well lose more than it is worth. I think that 8/5 BP is more like $70 per TC. I wish that someone on this board liked posting mathematical calculations so that no one had to rely on my memory or guestimates. A TC is just $5 coin in on slots. I have also heard about a number of people who were gifted TR's and higher tiers. It aint me babe, but best of luck to the rest of you.

I've played blackjack there but I played baccarat until they removed it at Suncoast. I was initially attracted to their promotion for free buffets for one tier credit until I discovered the difficulty in getting one credit. No points for video poker and the points for table play didn't show up the same day.

What's this about tier credits being gifted?

Even $70 coin in at Bonus Poker seems like it's too expensive.

There have been a number of people reporting that Boyd just gave them extra unearned tier credits. Sometimes this gets them to the next level and sometimes it doesn't

Actually unearned? Or are these the delayed table game credits that I spoke about earlier? Delays of months before credits are posted to accounts?

[coach belly]

you really should post Boz's WoV sayonara here. You know where it is. You probably always did.

I fell asleep reading your Tasha-esque whining about your suspension at WOV, just woke up and found Bozo's manic rant later in the thread.

No, I'm not posting that here. It's despicable...and he's nuts.

I was surprised to read that he's the same age as Shack...Bozo acts more like a 12 year old.

[wasilla]

And another thing with Boyd, what do you really get with Emerald and higher tiers.......

They have it on their website. The main things that I would like Emerald for are free quarterly stays and line pass. Many people get enough comped nights, so it is not a big deal to them. There are some lounges to access, but I've never heard anyone rave about them. I would have to play over 1.5 mil on JOB to get there.

Higher tiers have FP and food credits with the quarterly vegas stay, some nights in a Bahama resort, a cruise, and some sort of annual gift. Titanium also gets a Hawaiian vacation complete with some airfare. I think that most people prefer CET benefits for the coin required. You could probably buy the Boyd benefits for less than the expected slot loss to get there as it would take a million through slots to get to Titanium

[wasilla]

I've played blackjack there but I played baccarat until they removed it at Suncoast. I was initially attracted to their promotion for free buffets for one tier credit until I discovered the difficulty in getting one credit. No points for video poker and the points for table play didn't show up the same day.

What's this about tier credits being gifted?

Even $70 coin in at Bonus Poker seems like it's too expensive.

There have been a number of people reporting that Boyd just gave them extra unearned tier credits. Sometimes this gets them to the next level and sometimes it doesn't

Actually unearned? Or are these the delayed table game credits that I spoke about earlier? Delays of months before credits are posted to accounts?

Yes, definitely unearned. Jean Scott also got a lot of these reports and couldn't discern a pattern. Probably just a way to try to retain costumers that they target as preferred.

[jpfromla]

And another thing with Boyd, what do you really get with Emerald and higher tiers.......

They have it on their website. The main things that I would like Emerald for are free quarterly stays and line pass. Many people get enough comped nights, so it is not a big deal to them. There are some lounges to access, but I've never heard anyone rave about them. I would have to play over 1.5 mil on JOB to get there.

Higher tiers have FP and food credits with the quarterly vegas stay, some nights in a Bahama resort, a cruise, and some sort of annual gift. Titanium also gets a Hawaiian vacation complete with some airfare. I think that most people prefer CET benefits for the coin required. You could probably buy the Boyd benefits for less than the expected slot loss to get there as it would take a million through slots to get to Titanium

Thank you, I know. Been with Boyd since the Stardust. Somehow I thought this thread was about Boyd...silly me😘😘😘😘

[redietz]

The Wise Guys Contest description is self explanatory.

The first line of text under the page headline says for 2018 "the contest goes back to its original roots, when the participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money."

That implies that the rules changed for 2018.

The rules listed at the link you provided are for 2014. They talk about points awarded for winning selections, and the prize pool coming from the $200 entry fee, but I couldn't find anything about participants gambling with their own money within the structure of the contest.

The rules for 2018 aren't posted, so how did they change? How did the participants gambling with their own money fit into the contest rules?

You keep dancing around this question...why?

LOL. Jesus, coach, it's not a legal document. You are squinting way too hard. Why? Trying to catch me in a gotcha? LOL.

Sorry, folks. I won't derail the thread any further.

[wasilla]

I'm not going to quote the stuff I'm responding to, but just so you know:

When someone responds to me referring to someone's sexual orientation, gender, race, religion as a derogative, that's my cue that the post is pointless. In this case, I stand with KJ. Never met him and don't know a ton about him, but I know that gay doesn't equal bad. If someone has a valid criticism towards him, I would suggest that they stick to the relevant issues. Leading with prejudices just confirms you aren't objective.

[wasilla]

I just finished a 2 night stay at MSS and a 2 night stay at Fremont. I thought that some of you might be interested in how the comp system worked for me.

I only had monthly offers at MSS/Cal for casino rates, a little food with a booking, $10 FP, and an offer for a kiosk game with a stay during targeted week days.

Using my Sapphire calendar, I was able to secure a free M,T stay at MSS followed by W,Th at Fremont. I had to search the calendar day by day for each of the 3 DT properties. I booked a May MSS and Cal stay at the same time. I was not able to use my food offer. I was able to use the $10 FP. I was able to play the Kiosk game on Mon, Tues, and Weds BEFORE checkout. The low prize is a buffet or two. More typical is $25 or $50 in food credit, FP or sometimes pts. Because the food credit can (not sure) be a 24 hour expiration, I usually get them at night. On Monday I lost my entry because I waited to long. It expired at 10pm. The other 2 days were both $25 FP. In the past I have gotten $50 in points and food. I have known 3 different people who got a $100 in food, so larger prizes are not unheard of.
If you're playing and like buffets, 15 TC week days and 30?TC's for WE brunch will allow you to swipe for them at the kiosk before 3PM for same day use. I ate at the one at MSS twice. This may not work on Tuesdays.
Tuesday is senior day for 50+. 1 TC gets you a B/L buffet or a $5 voucher good through Thursday. 5 TC's gets you a prize of another $5 food voucher, $10 MP, or $2 worth of points. I did this at both MSS and the Cal. When I am really frugal I include Fremont as well. I can eat breakfast at Fremont and combine my $5 Cal and MSS vouchers for dinner at 777 brew pub.
On Monday, I was gambling bigger than usual (over 10k at the time I went for the comp) and was down several hundred dollars. I generally use these opportunities to ask a host for a Redwood comp. The MSS host was on break, but a Cal host wrote a $40 comp. Pro Redwood tip for IPA lovers is to wash your meal down with a Dogfish Head 90 Minute IPA. I played more and lost more after the meal.
On Tuesday I had played around 6k and was up a few hundred. There was no host at either casino, but a Cal boothling called down a supervisor who gave me a $30 Cal Noodle House comp. You can get the Dogfish there as well. The portions are big and it turned into Weds dinner as well.
On Weds I played around 5K and was down a couple hundred. I pressed the service button and got a slot attendant, who called the slot supervisor, who gave me a $25 777 brewpub comp. The comp was good for 24 hours.
I took Thursday off for a Arts District brewery tour. I used my $5 vouchers for lunch at 777 and then returned there for dinner to use yesterdays comp.
The comps aren't written anymore. You request them for a certain venue, they are valid for 24 hours and they have to be used in a single setting.

Monday was Presidents' Day with a 11X multiplier and Tuesday was Senior Day with another 11X multiplier. I did my heaviest play on those days. Following some advice that Monet gave I decide to also play on a regular day. The points earned on the first 2 days was worth $140, Scratch cards over 3 days was for $111.

This isn't a TR but for those of you who need the context of gambling results I lost $1050 on Monday, Won $320 on Tuesday, and lost $200 on Weds. My experience is that they are much more generous with comps on days that I lose big. I suspect that Monday's loss also affected Tuesday's comp.

Table players have reported success in getting pit comps based on play, but I don't know how much play is required.

[wasilla]

And another thing with Boyd, what do you really get with Emerald and higher tiers.......

They have it on their website. The main things that I would like Emerald for are free quarterly stays and line pass. Many people get enough comped nights, so it is not a big deal to them. There are some lounges to access, but I've never heard anyone rave about them. I would have to play over 1.5 mil on JOB to get there.

Higher tiers have FP and food credits with the quarterly vegas stay, some nights in a Bahama resort, a cruise, and some sort of annual gift. Titanium also gets a Hawaiian vacation complete with some airfare. I think that most people prefer CET benefits for the coin required. You could probably buy the Boyd benefits for less than the expected slot loss to get there as it would take a million through slots to get to Titanium

Thank you, I know. Been with Boyd since the Stardust. Somehow I thought this thread was about Boyd...silly me��������

So the question was rhetorical? I agree then that they don't offer much. Sorry for the detail.

[redietz]

I just finished a 2 night stay at MSS and a 2 night stay at Fremont. I thought that some of you might be interested in how the comp system worked for me.

I only had monthly offers at MSS/Cal for casino rates, a little food with a booking, $10 FP, and an offer for a kiosk game with a stay during targeted week days.

Using my Sapphire calendar, I was able to secure a free M,T stay at MSS followed by W,Th at Fremont. I had to search the calendar day by day for each of the 3 DT properties. I booked a May MSS and Cal stay at the same time. I was not able to use my food offer. I was able to use the $10 FP. I was able to play the Kiosk game on Mon, Tues, and Weds BEFORE checkout. The low prize is a buffet or two. More typical is $25 or $50 in food credit, FP or sometimes pts. Because the food credit can (not sure) be a 24 hour expiration, I usually get them at night. On Monday I lost my entry because I waited to long. It expired at 10pm. The other 2 days were both $25 FP. In the past I have gotten $50 in points and food. I have known 3 different people who got a $100 in food, so larger prizes are not unheard of.
If you're playing and like buffets, 15 TC week days and 30?TC's for WE brunch will allow you to swipe for them at the kiosk before 3PM for same day use. I ate at the one at MSS twice. This may not work on Tuesdays.
Tuesday is senior day for 50+. 1 TC gets you a B/L buffet or a $5 voucher good through Thursday. 5 TC's gets you a prize of another $5 food voucher, $10 MP, or $2 worth of points. I did this at both MSS and the Cal. When I am really frugal I include Fremont as well. I can eat breakfast at Fremont and combine my $5 Cal and MSS vouchers for dinner at 777 brew pub.
On Monday, I was gambling bigger than usual (over 10k at the time I went for the comp) and was down several hundred dollars. I generally use these opportunities to ask a host for a Redwood comp. The MSS host was on break, but a Cal host wrote a $40 comp. Pro Redwood tip for IPA lovers is to wash your meal down with a Dogfish Head 90 Minute IPA. I played more and lost more after the meal.
On Tuesday I had played around 6k and was up a few hundred. There was no host at either casino, but a Cal boothling called down a supervisor who gave me a $30 Cal Noodle House comp. You can get the Dogfish there as well. The portions are big and it turned into Weds dinner as well.
On Weds I played around 5K and was down a couple hundred. I pressed the service button and got a slot attendant, who called the slot supervisor, who gave me a $25 777 brewpub comp. The comp was good for 24 hours.
I took Thursday off for a Arts District brewery tour. I used my $5 vouchers for lunch at 777 and then returned there for dinner to use yesterdays comp.
The comps aren't written anymore. You request them for a certain venue, they are valid for 24 hours and they have to be used in a single setting.

Monday was Presidents' Day with a 11X multiplier and Tuesday was Senior Day with another 11X multiplier. I did my heaviest play on those days. Following some advice that Monet gave I decide to also play on a regular day. The points earned on the first 2 days was worth $140, Scratch cards over 3 days was for $111.

This isn't a TR but for those of you who need the context of gambling results I lost $1050 on Monday, Won $320 on Tuesday, and lost $200 on Weds. My experience is that they are much more generous with comps on days that I lose big. I suspect that Monday's loss also affected Tuesday's comp.

Table players have reported success in getting pit comps based on play, but I don't know how much play is required.

Thanks for details, Wasilla. The idea that winning or losing affects comps is very interesting. I'll be downtown in a couple of days and will give Main Street some play, along with Four Queens. I like the MSS 777 brewpub, and I don't mind the buffet. I like the Fremont coffee shop/buffet room. A couple questions:

1) Can you share the recipe of what you were playing?
2) Does ringing up a slot attendant after putting 5K or 6K through generally work at MSS and/or Fremont?

Regarding the questions of surprise tier credits and rating level. Yes, I can vouch for that. I have a friend who was given a Sapphire rating even though she was about a third of the tier credits short, and then that rating was extended for another year. I have gotten nothing, however.

[wasilla]

Good morning redietz. I should preface that some of this is just best guest category stuff. MSS/Cal offers themselves seem largely based on your Theo, but I've heard some speculation that some advantage players are being culled. Most of my experience is at MSS and Cal which will each comp at the other. I did once get a comp from MSS for Fremont, but never got a comp from Fremont.
Hosts can see how much Theo based comp you have coming, or if you are over-comped. Over-comped can be problematic, but 6K+ plus will still usually draw a $20 777 or Noodle House comp. Some hosts are stingier than others. I've never been turned down by a Slot Supervisor, but they generally only way in when the Host is absent.

I usually play 5 to 6K at BHB before asking an attendant. That's dollars, not points. I've always been successful as long as there isn't a Host on duty. If a Host cuts me off, I wait for her to leave. I may have tried as low as 4K, but that's really rare.

Hosts will comp based on coin in even with a big win and even on positive EV games like 10/7 DB. Losing definitely can lead to a bigger comp. Going by a distant memory I had played the Cal for around 12K and lost around $600 on 10/7 DB. The host wrote a $70 or $80 Redwood comp and would have gone higher. Obviously losing to get a comp is crazy, but it would be a shame to let a bout with bad variance hit without getting a good meal out of the deal.

I don't think that hosts care what VP you play when they look at your coin in for a comp. That's more significant for TC's and offers. If you are interested in my play mix for other reasons, I overwhelmingly play .25c 9/6 JOB. On Monday, I also played 3 play .25c 8/5 BP, ten play .05c Dream Card DDB, and higher stakes (for MSS) DDB.

If there are any Vegas Sam's Town players, I've also gotten several meal comps from the floor slot supervisors.

[wasilla]

Thank you for the kind words Wasilla. I have a saying that I repeat often "that it just isn't that hard to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". I think most sensible people conclude similarly about the group mentioned.

Much less important to me is a players results, whether he is currently in the black. Much more important to me, as an advantage player is playing a winning game (+EV), supported by the math. Now if a player claims and thinks he is playing a winning game and some how is always in the red....well that is something to look into.

Also not important to me is a players status. I am an AP and the thought of playing -EV, doesn't do much for me. But there are others that just enjoy playing (-EV)....gambling....and that is fine. I respect that.

Also among those of us that consider ourselves APs, there are a few that make a living and others that play recreationally but still try to play with an advantage as much as possible.

So I don't have a problem with what or how anyone plays or what they call or consider themselves....as long as the math works!

But those using "alternative" math....and misleading others with this alternative math or reality...yeah that I have always had a problem with.

You bring up some interesting points. I once had a RF draught that lasted 3 trips and over 7 weeks of play. I lost thousands and damned variance. I eventually reevaluated my game. I had lost my best play, but other issues were self inflicted. I had started out as a quarter grinder, but had moved to some (too much) dollar play. At some places dollars on the same pay tables would reduce my already small edge. I was either playing less or having to reduce my wager so that I was winning on quarters and losing on dollars. Going back to my low stakes grinder roots at the best edge that I could find didn't immediately cure my variance problem, but it allowed me to play through it.

[mickeycrimm]

The Wise Guys Contest description is self explanatory.

The first line of text under the page headline says for 2018 "the contest goes back to its original roots, when the participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money."

That implies that the rules changed for 2018.

The rules listed at the link you provided are for 2014. They talk about points awarded for winning selections, and the prize pool coming from the $200 entry fee, but I couldn't find anything about participants gambling with their own money within the structure of the contest.

The rules for 2018 aren't posted, so how did they change? How did the participants gambling with their own money fit into the contest rules?

You keep dancing around this question...why?

Coach, I think you are having trouble with your interpretation of what was stated. To me "participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money" is referring to the entry fee.

[coach belly]

Coach, I think you are having trouble with your interpretation of what was stated. To me "participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money" is referring to the entry fee.

I understand.

I know some horse-handicappers who enter online tournaments, and my understanding is that they pay an entry fee and gamble with their own money.

In addition to the entry fee, they must deposit their own money which they use to bet on races according to a forced-betting tournament structure.

The statement on the Wise Guys page sounded like something similar, and I was trying to find out if it was, and how that would work.

The ditz always mentions the Wise Guys contest as a career highlight, and the only link to his bona fides that he's ever provided.

When he brought it up yet again in this thread, I simply asked if the 2017 contest (where his name was listed among the top finishers) was a free contest.

The ditz could not remember, but he did recall the tournament being a free tournament for a number of years.

The phrase on the top of the Wise Guys page ("this year's contest goes back to its original roots") implies that the contest terms changed for 2018.

2018 Playbook Wise Guys Contest
This is the 33nd year of this competition and this year's contest goes back to its original roots, when the participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money.

It remains unclear if the ditz has ever won money in any sports-betting contest that wasn't free to enter, because he can't remember if he did.

[Rob.Singer]

Coach, I think you are having trouble with your interpretation of what was stated. To me "participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money" is referring to the entry fee.

I understand.

I know some horse-handicappers who enter online tournaments, and my understanding is that they pay an entry fee and gamble with their own money.

In addition to the entry fee, they must deposit their own money which they use to bet on races according to a forced-betting tournament structure.

The statement on the Wise Guys page sounded like something similar, and I was trying to find out if it was, and how that would work.

The ditz always mentions the Wise Guys contest as a career highlight, and the only link to his bona fides that he's ever provided.

When he brought it up yet again in this thread, I simply asked if the 2017 contest (where his name was listed among the top finishers) was a free contest.

The ditz could not remember, but he did recall the tournament being a free tournament for a number of years.

The phrase on the top of the Wise Guys page ("this year's contest goes back to its original roots") implies that the contest terms changed for 2018.

2018 Playbook Wise Guys Contest
This is the 33nd year of this competition and this year's contest goes back to its original roots, when the participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money.

It remains unclear if the ditz has ever won money in any sports-betting contest that wasn't free to enter, because he can't remember if he did.

If you can't find the info or he can't remember anything, why don't you try asking for Red's PR Pkg. According to what he kept telling Alan, it's all spelled out there.