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  1. #3041
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Let's deal with real numbers. Don Johnson said he negotiated a 20% loss rebate.
    DJ was playing with an over 10% edge WITHOUT the rebates.

  2. #3042
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Let's deal with real numbers. Don Johnson said he negotiated a 20% loss rebate.
    DJ was playing with an over 10% edge WITHOUT the rebates.
    According to this interview Don Johnson did not have that 10% edge. What is your source?

    Here's Don Johnson's interview.



    And there's more in an article in Blackjack Apprenticeship. You can Google it. I tried to copy the link but I can't. .
    Last edited by AndrewG; 04-16-2021 at 05:36 PM.

  3. #3043
    My source is none of your business!

  4. #3044
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    My source is none of your business!
    That's a great cop out.

  5. #3045
    https://www.888casino.com/blog/burni...of-don-johnson


    "In fact, things got hopping enough that the pit-boss failed to recognize Johnson card-counting, the guy next to him catching glimpses of the dealer’s hole cards and another collaborator sequencing the deck, telling Johnson when strong cards would be coming his way."

  6. #3046
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    It doesn't matter. What matters is the shortness of the terms of the rebate.

    I have rebates at a certain offshore. Unfortunately, it's for six months (which is actually damned good, in my book). If the rebate were weekly, I'd have them completely by the cajones.
    I was going to mention the online rebates since I have seen some that were up to $1,500 for 200%. I didn't want to get into the whole online debate about getting paid, fairness and whatnot. One must do their research and tests and know what they are doing when it comes to online playing and then figure out the risk vs the reward long term for themselves.

    I'm strictly betting sports, and I was happy to have found an offshore that'll give me a 25% loss rebate every six months (it's actually 12.5% because the rebate comes as free play).

    If I found somewhere willing to rebate me every week or every month, I'd bet my brains out on every sport even if I didn't know what I was doing.
    Just treat it like a daily or weekly loss rebate and make one monster bet and it would basically the same. Are there restrictions on what kind of sports bets you can make?do you have to roll the FP over more than once? Do you get a rebate when you make bets with the free play?

    Is this offer just for a select few or is it open to others if you fit the criteria? Have you been losing at this particular place? What size bets have you been making?

  7. #3047
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I was going to mention the online rebates since I have seen some that were up to $1,500 for 200%. I didn't want to get into the whole online debate about getting paid, fairness and whatnot. One must do their research and tests and know what they are doing when it comes to online playing and then figure out the risk vs the reward long term for themselves.

    I'm strictly betting sports, and I was happy to have found an offshore that'll give me a 25% loss rebate every six months (it's actually 12.5% because the rebate comes as free play).

    If I found somewhere willing to rebate me every week or every month, I'd bet my brains out on every sport even if I didn't know what I was doing.
    Just treat it like a daily or weekly loss rebate and make one monster bet and it would basically the same. Are there restrictions on what kind of sports bets you can make?do you have to roll the FP over more than once? Do you get a rebate when you make bets with the free play?

    Is this offer just for a select few or is it open to others if you fit the criteria? Have you been losing at this particular place? What size bets have you been making?
    Axel, you sound like coach!? The info I consider proprietary, so it stays with me, but I'll answer some questions. I would not do the single monster wager thing -- it kind of defeats the purpose -- unless I had the proper opportunity, like hedge against a long shot future bet elsewhere. And if that opportunity presents itself, that's exactly how I try to use it.

    I think the rebate has a four-time rollover. Since I'm very rarely doing the giant single wager thing, that doesn't even concern me. I don't concern myself much with any rollovers, to be honest. Lifetime at that site, I'm ahead, but not some huge amount. I know they are treating me with kid gloves because one of my guys had a separate account there. He used some of our plays, but he also did a lot of experimental stuff on his own with baseball, and they took him off every promo and rebate. He got upset and closed his account. But they kept me on and eligible, probably because they know me. I run into that quite a bit. It's almost impossible for me to hide, the way I bet things, so I depend on the largesse, curiosity, and piggybacking of books to tolerate me. Now if you ask why it's impossible to hide, well, I'm not gonna spell it out precisely, but in general, specialists can't hide.

    No rebate on the free play bets (boy, that would be cool, didn't even think of that). And there are restrictions on the free play use. Must be straight plays and they have a moneyline bracket limit, which I don't know off the top of my head. It's probably the usual free play limit -- like no more than +140 or something.

  8. #3048
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post


    I'm strictly betting sports, and I was happy to have found an offshore that'll give me a 25% loss rebate every six months (it's actually 12.5% because the rebate comes as free play).

    If I found somewhere willing to rebate me every week or every month, I'd bet my brains out on every sport even if I didn't know what I was doing.
    Just treat it like a daily or weekly loss rebate and make one monster bet and it would basically the same. Are there restrictions on what kind of sports bets you can make?do you have to roll the FP over more than once? Do you get a rebate when you make bets with the free play?

    Is this offer just for a select few or is it open to others if you fit the criteria? Have you been losing at this particular place? What size bets have you been making?
    Axel, you sound like coach!? The info I consider proprietary, so it stays with me, but I'll answer some questions. I would not do the single monster wager thing -- it kind of defeats the purpose -- unless I had the proper opportunity, like hedge against a long shot future bet elsewhere. And if that opportunity presents itself, that's exactly how I try to use it.

    I think the rebate has a four-time rollover. Since I'm very rarely doing the giant single wager thing, that doesn't even concern me. I don't concern myself much with any rollovers, to be honest. Lifetime at that site, I'm ahead, but not some huge amount. I know they are treating me with kid gloves because one of my guys had a separate account there. He used some of our plays, but he also did a lot of experimental stuff on his own with baseball, and they took him off every promo and rebate. He got upset and closed his account. But they kept me on and eligible, probably because they know me. I run into that quite a bit. It's almost impossible for me to hide, the way I bet things, so I depend on the largesse, curiosity, and piggybacking of books to tolerate me. Now if you ask why it's impossible to hide, well, I'm not gonna spell it out precisely, but in general, specialists can't hide.

    No rebate on the free play bets (boy, that would be cool, didn't even think of that). And there are restrictions on the free play use. Must be straight plays and they have a moneyline bracket limit, which I don't know off the top of my head. It's probably the usual free play limit -- like no more than +140 or something.
    Sorry, I was not trying to sound like Coach and I'm not trying to figure out what casino or anything like that. I think coach and others may have jaded you a little without you even knowing it.

    I was trying to figure out what the EV might be and the best way to go about betting it for max value and take advantage of the situation to its full potential. it seems like they won't let you take long shots on the Freeplay wagering, so that thought is out.
    oftentimes they cut off long-term winning players online, not keep giving them loss rebates, so I thought perhaps on this particular account you were losing this place but winning at other joints and thus the generous offers.

    Personally, I would try to recreate a situation where I could have multiple accounts with the same deal and just keep playing my account as I have been, but then go off in different directions and experiment with the other accounts, but make it less obvious as your guy did.

    Oftentimes they cut off long-term winning players online, not keep giving them loss rebates, so I thought perhaps on this particular account you were losing at this place but winning at other joints and thus the generous offers.

    If they also have other casino games, I would research the rules and see of there's something you could do with that in regards to the rolling over and it may even help with your longevity. Get them to think...He is a winning sports bettor, but he plays slots and stuff so we have a chance to get it back, meanwhile, you have a+EV situation.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 04-17-2021 at 05:11 AM.

  9. #3049
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Let's deal with real numbers. Don Johnson said he negotiated a 20% loss rebate.
    DJ was playing with an over 10% edge WITHOUT the rebates.
    On one occasion during his spree he found a game he could hole-card.

    See my analysis here, in my response to this article:

    "Examining a Gambler’s Claims: Probabilistic Fact-Checking and Don Johnson’s Extraordinary Blackjack Winning Streak | CHANCE" https://chance.amstat.org/2014/02/blackjack-27-1/
    Last edited by Eliot; 04-17-2021 at 07:23 AM.

  10. #3050
    We've played those same dealers.

  11. #3051
    For BoSox and others who may be concerned:

    Pittsburgh Penguins Puck Line -105
    Washington Capitals Puck Line +175

    Parlay them to get about 4 to 4.5 to 1 on your money

  12. #3052
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Just treat it like a daily or weekly loss rebate and make one monster bet and it would basically the same. Are there restrictions on what kind of sports bets you can make?do you have to roll the FP over more than once? Do you get a rebate when you make bets with the free play?

    Is this offer just for a select few or is it open to others if you fit the criteria? Have you been losing at this particular place? What size bets have you been making?
    Axel, you sound like coach!? The info I consider proprietary, so it stays with me, but I'll answer some questions. I would not do the single monster wager thing -- it kind of defeats the purpose -- unless I had the proper opportunity, like hedge against a long shot future bet elsewhere. And if that opportunity presents itself, that's exactly how I try to use it.

    I think the rebate has a four-time rollover. Since I'm very rarely doing the giant single wager thing, that doesn't even concern me. I don't concern myself much with any rollovers, to be honest. Lifetime at that site, I'm ahead, but not some huge amount. I know they are treating me with kid gloves because one of my guys had a separate account there. He used some of our plays, but he also did a lot of experimental stuff on his own with baseball, and they took him off every promo and rebate. He got upset and closed his account. But they kept me on and eligible, probably because they know me. I run into that quite a bit. It's almost impossible for me to hide, the way I bet things, so I depend on the largesse, curiosity, and piggybacking of books to tolerate me. Now if you ask why it's impossible to hide, well, I'm not gonna spell it out precisely, but in general, specialists can't hide.

    No rebate on the free play bets (boy, that would be cool, didn't even think of that). And there are restrictions on the free play use. Must be straight plays and they have a moneyline bracket limit, which I don't know off the top of my head. It's probably the usual free play limit -- like no more than +140 or something.
    Sorry, I was not trying to sound like Coach and I'm not trying to figure out what casino or anything like that. I think coach and others may have jaded you a little without you even knowing it.

    I was trying to figure out what the EV might be and the best way to go about betting it for max value and take advantage of the situation to its full potential. it seems like they won't let you take long shots on the Freeplay wagering, so that thought is out.
    oftentimes they cut off long-term winning players online, not keep giving them loss rebates, so I thought perhaps on this particular account you were losing this place but winning at other joints and thus the generous offers.

    Personally, I would try to recreate a situation where I could have multiple accounts with the same deal and just keep playing my account as I have been, but then go off in different directions and experiment with the other accounts, but make it less obvious as your guy did.

    Oftentimes they cut off long-term winning players online, not keep giving them loss rebates, so I thought perhaps on this particular account you were losing at this place but winning at other joints and thus the generous offers.

    If they also have other casino games, I would research the rules and see of there's something you could do with that in regards to the rolling over and it may even help with your longevity. Get them to think...He is a winning sports bettor, but he plays slots and stuff so we have a chance to get it back, meanwhile, you have a+EV situation.

    Jaded? Moi? LOL. Show me an unjaded professional gambler, and I'll show you a headstone on Boot Hill.

    I don't play every angle for max gain with offshores. No multiple accounts. Long term, my actual betting profile is almost unmistakable, so I'd just be fooling some of the people some of the time and cutting my own throat long term. I'm not trying to max out my income this month or this season or this year. There are times that I've caught a bad (as in somebody made an error) future number offshore, and while I exploit it some I never do that anywhere near the posted limit. I'm not out to get somebody fired or screamed at offshore. Everything is a negotiation.

    Some of the offshores (not all) look at winning players and try to figure them out, data mine them, or just simply piggyback them. I had one boutique offshore ban me (I was not "their kind of player" -- only explanation), then reverse course a year later and apologize and ask me to come back. No secret -- they try to data mine or piggyback. I had another that comically would not outright ban me, but limited me to $1.29 or something as my futures limit on a golf tournament.

    Now in Las Vegas, of course, things are different. Eviscerating is allowed. Occasionally we do things just to poke fun at people and embarrass management a little. In LV, I don't care if I get banned or arrested or anything -- if Las Vegas gets nuked tomorrow, oh well. And some of my LV comp stories -- well, I have hard time believing I had the nerve to pull them off back in my youth.

  13. #3053
    I got greedy and made it a 3 team parlay with the Rangers Puck Line.

    Empty Netters were all the rage and both the Capitals and the Rangers won 6-3.
    Now I have to sweat the Buffalo/Penguin game and hope the Pens can win by 2 goals or more.
    800 to win 6700 and some change.
    Let's Go Pens!?

  14. #3054
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    Axel, you sound like coach!? The info I consider proprietary, so it stays with me, but I'll answer some questions. I would not do the single monster wager thing -- it kind of defeats the purpose -- unless I had the proper opportunity, like hedge against a long shot future bet elsewhere. And if that opportunity presents itself, that's exactly how I try to use it.

    I think the rebate has a four-time rollover. Since I'm very rarely doing the giant single wager thing, that doesn't even concern me. I don't concern myself much with any rollovers, to be honest. Lifetime at that site, I'm ahead, but not some huge amount. I know they are treating me with kid gloves because one of my guys had a separate account there. He used some of our plays, but he also did a lot of experimental stuff on his own with baseball, and they took him off every promo and rebate. He got upset and closed his account. But they kept me on and eligible, probably because they know me. I run into that quite a bit. It's almost impossible for me to hide, the way I bet things, so I depend on the largesse, curiosity, and piggybacking of books to tolerate me. Now if you ask why it's impossible to hide, well, I'm not gonna spell it out precisely, but in general, specialists can't hide.

    No rebate on the free play bets (boy, that would be cool, didn't even think of that). And there are restrictions on the free play use. Must be straight plays and they have a moneyline bracket limit, which I don't know off the top of my head. It's probably the usual free play limit -- like no more than +140 or something.
    Sorry, I was not trying to sound like Coach and I'm not trying to figure out what casino or anything like that. I think coach and others may have jaded you a little without you even knowing it.

    I was trying to figure out what the EV might be and the best way to go about betting it for max value and take advantage of the situation to its full potential. it seems like they won't let you take long shots on the Freeplay wagering, so that thought is out.
    oftentimes they cut off long-term winning players online, not keep giving them loss rebates, so I thought perhaps on this particular account you were losing this place but winning at other joints and thus the generous offers.

    Personally, I would try to recreate a situation where I could have multiple accounts with the same deal and just keep playing my account as I have been, but then go off in different directions and experiment with the other accounts, but make it less obvious as your guy did.

    Oftentimes they cut off long-term winning players online, not keep giving them loss rebates, so I thought perhaps on this particular account you were losing at this place but winning at other joints and thus the generous offers.

    If they also have other casino games, I would research the rules and see of there's something you could do with that in regards to the rolling over and it may even help with your longevity. Get them to think...He is a winning sports bettor, but he plays slots and stuff so we have a chance to get it back, meanwhile, you have a+EV situation.

    Jaded? Moi? LOL. Show me an unjaded professional gambler, and I'll show you a headstone on Boot Hill.

    I don't play every angle for max gain with offshores. No multiple accounts. Long term, my actual betting profile is almost unmistakable, so I'd just be fooling some of the people some of the time and cutting my own throat long term. I'm not trying to max out my income this month or this season or this year. There are times that I've caught a bad (as in somebody made an error) future number offshore, and while I exploit it some I never do that anywhere near the posted limit. I'm not out to get somebody fired or screamed at offshore. Everything is a negotiation.

    Some of the offshores (not all) look at winning players and try to figure them out, data mine them, or just simply piggyback them. I had one boutique offshore ban me (I was not "their kind of player" -- only explanation), then reverse course a year later and apologize and ask me to come back. No secret -- they try to data mine or piggyback. I had another that comically would not outright ban me, but limited me to $1.29 or something as my futures limit on a golf tournament.

    Now in Las Vegas, of course, things are different. Eviscerating is allowed. Occasionally we do things just to poke fun at people and embarrass management a little. In LV, I don't care if I get banned or arrested or anything -- if Las Vegas gets nuked tomorrow, oh well. And some of my LV comp stories -- well, I have hard time believing I had the nerve to pull them off back in my youth.
    I was just saying that with a 25% loss rebate you could afford to change your betting profile and switch it up on other accounts and have an advantage.

  15. #3055
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I was just saying
    What are you dancing with this shithead ditz, and tip-toeing around the elephant in the room?

  16. #3056
    Coach, have you asked MDawg what he did with the 180 million dollars in bitcoin? Seems like a lot of bitcoin to misplace, forget about, or lose. I guess easy come, easy go. But it would be cool to know what he did with it. Maybe he owns a floor at the Wynn, like Howard Hughes.


    Note: For the next week, every time coach posts, I will ask him, nicely of course, if he knows what MDawg did with the 180 million from the bitcoin. Let's see how creative coach gets. I know he loves questions.

  17. #3057
    So I was just catching up with my reading over at WoV, the forum that Mdawg now completely controls.

    And I see that darkoz was inquiring as to whether this challenge has occurred?? Mind, you, the challenge that he is funding and paying for.

    Does anyone else see a problem with how this is being conducted, in complete secrecy like this. That is exactly how collusion occurs.

    I am expecting some kind of conclusion that is very vague, not harmful in any way towards Mdawg's claims, which WoV benefits by with the traffic. This has become sort of like hoping to see a fair trial in Russia or China.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  18. #3058
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    For the next week, every time coach posts, I will ask him, nicely of course, if he knows what MDawg did with the 180 million from the bitcoin.
    That's quite the game plan...but what's the point if you got no game?

    Is Darwinism just a theory?

  19. #3059
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    For the next week, every time coach posts, I will ask him, nicely of course, if he knows what MDawg did with the 180 million from the bitcoin.
    That's quite the game plan...but what's the point if you got no game?

    Is Darwinism just a theory?
    Coach, did MDawg tell you what he did with the 180 million in bitcoin? If he tells you, and you tell us, I'm in the fan club. Looking forward to it.

  20. #3060
    Yes, and while you're at it ask him how he's getting any legal work done when by his reports he spends all his time fucking off in the casinos and writing pulp fiction about it for these boards.

    Guy's a walking, talking legal malpractice case ... if he's telling the truth.

    Bwa ha ha ha.
    What, Me Worry?

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