The Adventures of MDawg (in progress)

[kewlJ]

I posted the poll because I was curious as to how the members would feel about it.

Actually he could be a very good mod, if he played fair.

When has he ever played fair?

BTW, he is a former banned member from that forum. His first action could be nuking himself.

[kewlJ]

Axelwolf at WoV: Given the fact that MDawg has a history of what I consider attempted Doxing (call it what you want) and doing various other uncouth things, things I feel should automatically exclude anyone from being a Moderator of any kind, including a secret Mod. At the very least The Wizard should let members know before someone like MDawg is given Administrative privileges.

It's probably not something The Wizard has really ever considered much, but administrative privileges gives access to people's IP's at a minimum, and who knows what other information.

I am sure Wizard would not consider Mdawg for moderator, but Axelwolf makes a great point here with the access such a person would gain to information, especially for a person with Mdawgs doxing history.

Actually, when you think about it, it is even problematic if Mdawg is just a good friend of Wizard's as he claims. I mean I want to believe Wizard has more integrity that what I am implying, but he has surprised me before.

I am reminded that Wizard once said "I consider Qfit a friend, so when he asked me for a favor (to ban someone), I could not refuse"

[MisterV]

KJ, if in fact the key goal at WoV is to generate more traffic, then annointing the hound as a mod could achieve that goal.

While some would likely leave in disgust the resulting mayhem would cause a blizzard of activity.

Plus with him being a mod maybe he'd finally conclude that "It's time:" time to invite all the rich friends he takes with him into the private gambling salons to join WoV and regale us with their tales of slaying the casino dragon.

Nothing quite like rich assholes pissing on the little guy: a tried and true formula which he's used to good effect.

[kewlJ]

KJ, if in fact the key goal at WoV is to generate more traffic,

Not so sure about this. This IS the goal of most forums. It is about traffic, which can be turned to money. I don't think it is the case here as Druff has never shown an interest in even running banners that might make a few bucks. he says his interest in this forum was only to preserve everything he had written, when Alan owned it.

WoV is a little different. They are owned by a money making online casino business. And they have banners and online casino advertisers. But does that LCB group really make any money off of that? I think that is what they wanted the WoO part, but the forum, while more members than here is relatively small in the membership numbers with a good percentage that are either APs outright at some level or aspire to be. THIS is NOT their target audience.

Additionally, LCB has their own forum, with a much larger membership. I only visited once just to see, but it is much more the voodoo system type players that are their target audience. I just don't think they care much about WoV.

I have always thought that was a possibility as to why Wizard tolerated Mdawg and his claims, more than the old pre-sale Mike Shackleford would have.

[MDawg]

You have to admit V , A.Wolf’s posting “various other uncouth things” is a pretty slam dunk libel case.

(1) Wolf doesn’t have much in the way of assets but I’m sure he has far more than our resident tunnel dweller.

(2) The person impugned is “MDawg” and damages might be measured in terms of to what extent MDawg the internet creation was restricted from doing whatever it is he does on here, at least so long as MDawg remains anonymous.

So in the end it might end up one of those $1 judgements.

But over all it just comes back to that the way Wolf has been acting lately it’s pretty clear that he’s slipped off the wagon (again). He’s usually a little less loose lipped and at least slightly more circumspect. I also wonder if he really knows what the word uncouth means. He doesn’t exactly read at a high functioning level and freely admits that he is rarely able to make it through anything longer than a few line post.

[kewlJ]

You have to admit V , A.Wolf’s posting “and a lot of other uncouth things” is a pretty slam dunk libel case.

Are you fucking kidding me ?!?! There is no bigger potential libel case on these forums that me against you (maxpen, seedvalue are pretty close). Axelwolf also would have a strong case against you.

As we have seen in recent weeks/months with Trump, there is money to be made in that shit. there is the issue of people not using their real, names, but I think that could be worked around. Not sure, but I think it could.

I have considered it, but just decided not worth the effort. I also believe that anyone, myself included that participates on these forums and keeps doing so after they know there is a good deal of trolling and shit, take some of that responsibility.

[kewlJ]

Mdawg it is lucky for you that I still participate here and am hated so much that I draw all the ire.

If I wasn't here, these people would be all over you for being such a little crybaby bitch and for all your lying, which actually is far more than anything I have done.

Your welcome for drawing that fire for you.

[accountinquestion]

You have to admit V , A.Wolf’s posting “and a lot of other uncouth things” is a pretty slam dunk libel case.

Are you fucking kidding me ?!?! There is no bigger potential libel case on these forums that me against you (maxpen, seedvalue are pretty close). Axelwolf also would have a strong case against you.

As we have seen in recent weeks/months with Trump, there is money to be made in that shit. there is the issue of people not using their real, names, but I think that could be worked around. Not sure, but I think it could.

I have considered it, but just decided not worth the effort. I also believe that anyone, myself included that participates on these forums and keeps doing so after they know there is a good deal of trolling and shit, take some of that responsibility.

The problem with you is if people don't occupy you online, you have to chime in on every little thing you barely know anything about.

You can't sue anyone for slander when there is nothing but a character known as kewl being slandered. There are other j
Issues but that is first and foremost.

Get help.

[MisterV]

You have to admit V , A.Wolf’s posting “various other uncouth things” is a pretty slam dunk libel case.

Cute, dawg: What, you're adding COMEDY to your repertoire now?

One can only hope that you were paying attention in Torts class when the subject of defamation was discussed.

[MDawg]

So why don't you break it down, V?

As far as UNKewlJ being a tunnel dwelling male prostitute, truth is an absolute defense.

You got databased for being a menace. Sexually harassing older men at the table. It has nothing to do with you being a threat. Lol imagine you a threat at the blackjack table as your eyes keep staring at every bulge walking by the table. Looking to suck your next bankroll out some old down and out gay man.

But besides that, the internet character known as UNKewlJ THRIVES and BENEFITS from all of the accusations and drama. He should pay us for that derived benefit.

KewlJ has proven he lies, is a drama queen, loves attention, and is generally an annoying gnat.

[MisterV]

So why don't you break it down, V? As far as UNKewlJ being a tunnel dwelling male prostitute, truth is an absolute defense.[

Don't deflect: the issue is your claim that AW's posting “various other uncouth things” is a pretty slam dunk libel case; this has nothing to do with the silly claim you and others make about "UNKewlJ being a tunnel dwelling male prostitute."

Focus!

Now, with the above in mind, what EXACTLY is it you would like for me to break down?

[kewlJ]

This clown is outta control. My own fault for being stupid enough to keep being drawn back to feeding this troll.

I don't know everything about Madwg. I know he is not the winning player he claims. I suspect he is not as wealthy as he claims. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't even an attorney. But above all, else I KNOW beyond contestation that this is one insecure, fucked up little person.

[MDawg]

You also have to consider context.

At a forum like this one, pretty much anything goes, so as long as it doesn't rise to the level of something affecting the real world person behind the internet character, there generally would be no libel case at all here for any sort of insult. It could be argued that by participating in a forum like this, you assume the risk of that you may be name called, dragged through the mud, generally besmirched. Also the longer you subject yourself to this sort of thing, and keep participating, the less you could claim that any of it offends or damages you.

At WOV, there are rules of engagement such that a person participating there would expect a certain degree of respectful interaction, and anything going beyond the usual decorum would not be expected, not assumed to be part of the risk of participating there.

I just want you to break down the elements of libel and see if A.Wolf's saying what he said is or is not a prima facie case of libel in the context of the WOV forum. Even if damages would be nothing more than a barleycorn. I believe it centers around the meaning of the word uncouth, which I don't even believe A.Wolf knows what the word really means or connotes but that doesn't mean that someone reading it would not get a certain impression of what he is trying to say about MDawg's "various" things he has done.

[MisterV]

I find nothing libelous about labeling you with the word "uncouth," whether the term be uttered at WoV, in a whorehouse, or in a church.

Just not enough "sting" to the term where, were it inaccurately hurled at someone, the target would be held up to scorn by those who heard it.

Now, were you to be accused of being a "camel fucker" (perish the thought) there is still the issue which you spotted of your real identity not being targeted.

How can an anonymous person claim they've been libeled if nobody knows who they in fact are?

Perhaps The Law will get to that point some day, but we aren't there yet.

[MDawg]

How can an anonymous person claim they've been libeled if nobody knows who they in fact are?

I think you're concentrating too much on the issue of damages. I already admit that

(2) The person impugned is “MDawg” and damages might be measured in terms of to what extent MDawg the internet creation was restricted from doing whatever it is he does on here, at least so long as MDawg remains anonymous.

So in the end it might end up one of those $1 judgements.

which is as much to say that MDawg's ability to do whatever on the WOV wasn't affected by what he said.

However, given that libel is merely the publication of a false statement about someone, the issue is the HARM it caused which gravitates to damages. Set harm aside....

So, I think here that the libel is made out just that we're on the same page as to the harm being incalculable, such that no damages would be awarded.

The word uncouth means
lacking good manners, refinement, or grace
uncivilized
unpolished
unrefined
uncultured

Now maybe A.Wolf doesn't even know what the word means, but saying that I have done various "uncouth" things implies to anyone reading that MDawg has an unseemly character and committed some sort of unnamed rude or vulgar distasteful acts.

The uncouth acts implies crude unnamed acts.

It's actually worse than specifying exactly what MDawg did allegedly because it leaves the reader to imagine unnamed crude acts.

[kewlJ]

How can an anonymous person claim they've been libeled if nobody knows who they in fact are?

Perhaps The Law will get to that point some day, but we aren't there yet.

V, I think we are closer to that day than you think. With the internet and all social media (not just forums) it is close if not here.

Now back to that anonymous person argument. If you dox a so called anonymous person, that is reveal their identity, name, address, and then libel them over and over with untrue statements like let's say... they are a male prostitute, wouldn't that circumvent this "can't libel an anonymous person" argument?

I am not threatening this. I am just saying...

[MDawg]

And I know for a fact you have committed crimes and use sexual exploitation. I have the testimony and Witnesses waiting for you Mother fucker. Fake loser fuck
I’m not lier fuck loser.

I have eye witnesses willing to go on the record and under oath if need be. That’s the difference between you and I. Loyalty from the ones you brought up. Rat fakes like you wouldn’t understand

And that's the name of that tune.

Truth is an absolute defense.

But besides that, UNKewlJ revels in the drama, he'd shrivel up and die without it. What else does he have to look forward to when he leaves his tunnel to get some internet access?

[kewlJ]

Are you serious? Who and where are these witnesses?

That is about as real as when Donald Trump say "everyone says I am the best President".

[accountinquestion]

How can an anonymous person claim they've been libeled if nobody knows who they in fact are?

Perhaps The Law will get to that point some day, but we aren't there yet.

V, I think we are closer to that day than you think. With the internet and all social media (not just forums) it is close if not here.

Now back to that anonymous person argument. If you dox a so called anonymous person, that is reveal their identity, name, address, and then libel them over and over with untrue statements like let's say... they are a male prostitute, wouldn't that circumvent this "can't libel an anonymous person" argument?

I am not threatening this. I am just saying...

Huh? No one knows who you are. You want to say this to pretend you are a real person. You could never prove you were doxxed in any court and you know it. You couldn't prove it now or even demonstrate it.

Most of this is parody. I don't care enough to look up how slander/libel laws work but you have 0 shot so just stop the nonsense. More of you talking about stuff you have no clue about.

Say all you want, doesn't matter if you threaten or not, no one has any faith in you either way.

[MDawg]

Actually, the verifiable proof is that SHE doxxed. There is even a post from UNKewlJ that establishes that she doxxed before any alleged doxxing by anyone else.

I can't imagine you doxxing MDawg helped; might have made Max wonder if you'd do the same to him should he ever get on your bad side

Hey, KJocchio, YOU doxxed MDawg. Quit sniveling about it.

And as far as this alleged doxxing UNKewlJ claims, you are right AccountInQuestion, there is absolutely no proof, just some vague imaginary connection to this or that she has where, as usual, she can't provide any proof.

The evidence that he doxxed MDawg is solid and in both VCT and GF. Both admins at both sites admonished him and redacted his posts. This other nonsense he is talking about comes after the verifiable doxxing of MDawg by UNKewlJ, and his UNKewl nonsense, as always, exists only in his feeble mind.

KJ, I might believe you, however, you just have way too many interesting things/stories Etc that for some reason or another you can never provide any proof. There's always some, for lack of a better word, Bullshit reason why you can't/won't. It seems as if it would be in your best interest to not mention anything in the first place if you can't provide one iota of proof for whatever reason.