The Adventures of MDawg (in progress)

[mickeycrimm]

Axel has said there has to be money on it and you can bet it has to be a substantial amount. He also said he gets to play any game in the house, not limited to table games. MDawg is coming behind and saying he doesn't want a wager and Axel must play a table game. That's not what Axel said he would do.

Go back to WOV and read the thread again, you're misunderstanding some or most of what's been written.

You're wrong that Axel must play a table game, and whether or not Axel demanded a substantial wager is not clear.

It would help clear things up if Axel would name the amount of the wager he needs to participate, but he didn't mention a wager on this forum when he asked for himself and Mike to be invited to witness MDawg's play.

But there is plenty of time to work the conditions out.

So far it looks encouraging.

MDawg has demanded Axel play a table game. I guarantee you Axel will never agree to that. And he will not play for cheap stakes. He wants a substantial amount of money wagered on it. I know all this without talking to him because I know how he will win the bet. It's shit AP's know but you guys don't. But there is a cost factor so he is going to want a substantial bet from MDawg to go through with it.

[coach belly]

MDawg has demanded Axel play a table game.

Nope, that's not true, he never demanded that.

If you can't understand what was written, then have your roommate explain it to you.

Then tomorrow go get an EEG, because either your brain is failing or you're a low IQ individual.

[MDawg]

I've made clear what the wager is from Day One, months ago, just Michael99000 never showed for it. Let's see if Axel will.

What anyone says means nothing. All talk. If Axel shows with fifty grand we may proceed. I know I will be there at some point after this coronavirus settles and it is safe to travel and be in LV, and Axel lives in LV, so why would he not show? It's just business as usual for him another day in his life he claims he plays in casinos every day. I have $50K lines at five major casinos on the Strip (I haven't played at the fifth line location yet, it was just opened, but any one of those five will do). If Axel wants to play at some casino where I do not have a line, I can bring $50K cash but it has to be a casino with a lot of midi-Bacc tables. I have not played as a cash player in Vegas ever, I am a line player, but for this contest if necessary, I could do it.

I play on a player card only, so it will be pretty easy actually to know what I won. At the end of the four days just ask my host he types into the computer it will be there. But, as far as Axel, who maybe plays under the radar, I suppose we need someone to watch him when he plays, and if someone wants to watch me that is fine too.

If someone asks me why I would do this - I just do this anyway, it would just be business as usual. From the way Axel describes himself, in a LV casino constantly, it would seem that it would be business as usual for him too. So why anyone would need to get paid to do what he does all the time anyway, I couldn't say.

Two years ago I might not have made this challenge, because I was returning after such a long absence and might not have been able to predict how it would go, but after winning so consistently for two years straight I am confident I will win.

Axel has talked so much crap going back two years about me that he's the one who has something to prove - prove that all the crap he's been saying is true. I have nothing to prove. If he is so certain he can win at casinos and win more than MDawg, then he will show. If not, he won't. He isn't getting a penny for shooting off his mouth from me he'll have to win from the casinos the way he claims that he has been winning all his life, and if he's for real the casinos will line his pockets the way he claims they always have.

[mickeycrimm]

I've made clear what the wager is from Day One, months ago, just Michael99000 never showed for it. Let's see if Axel will.

What anyone says means nothing. All talk. If Axel shows with fifty grand we may proceed. I know I will be there at some point after this coronavirus settles and it is safe to travel and be in LV, and Axel lives in LV, so why would he not show? It's just business as usual for him another day in his life he claims he plays in casinos every day. I have $50K lines at five major casinos on the Strip (I haven't played at the fifth line location yet, it was just opened, but any one of those five will do). If Axel wants to play at some casino where I do not have a line, I can bring $50K cash but it has to be a casino with a lot of midi-Bacc tables. I have not played as a cash player in Vegas ever, I am a line player, but for this contest if necessary, I could do it.

I play on a player card only, so it will be pretty easy actually to know what I won. At the end of the four days just ask my host he types into the computer it will be there. But, as far as Axel, who maybe plays under the radar, I suppose we need someone to watch him when he plays, and if someone wants to watch me that is fine too.

If someone asks me why I would do this - I just do this anyway, it would just be business as usual. From the way Axel describes himself, in a LV casino constantly, it would seem that it would be business as usual for him too. So why anyone would need to get paid to do what he does all the time anyway, I couldn't say.

Two years ago I might not have made this challenge, because I was returning after such a long absence and might not have been able to predict how it would go, but after winning so consistently for two years straight I am confident I will win.

Axel has talked so much crap going back two years about me that he's the one who has something to prove - prove that all the crap he's been saying is true. I have nothing to prove. If he is so certain he can win at casinos and win more than MDawg, then he will show. If not, he won't. He isn't getting a penny for shooting off his mouth from me he'll have to win from the casinos the way he claims that he has been winning all his life, and if he's for real the casinos will line his pockets the way he claims they always have.

As predicted you are backing down from Axel's proposition. He wants a wager between the two of you. Why are you chickening out? And will you tell belly that your stipulation is that Axel play a table game while his is that he can play any game? Axel has never said he could beat a table game so why would you expect him to win at it? Anyways, its pretty clear that you are making a hollow challenge.

[Rob.Singer]

Since mdawg fears but does read my posts....his whole game is to tell these stories while keeping who he is along with his real name out of it at all costs. So why would anybody believe such a character would ever, under any circumstances, reveal his identity to any of his critics? It makes no sense, which means he would never follow thru on such a bet that he obviously also knows he would lose.

[MDawg]

And give that Irish hoodlum a drink!

You should stick to things you know about, like earning minimum wage pushing buttons!

The wager has been exactly the same since I proposed it months ago. Actually, Axel is doing precisely what you are saying he won't he is stipulating that I must play a table game, which is what the wager has always been anyway. As, I think it was KewlJ keeps saying about you, "You can't make this stuff up" - meaning, you can't make up how disjointed and off your posts are becoming, Mickey!

Axel goes to casinos every day, right? When they are open anyway. So, show up for four days and play in the same casino as I do and let's see who wins more. That's about all there is to it don't make it complicated.

Irishman, you have thirty grand, why don't you come to Vegas and try to beat the great MDawg. Once you find another twenty that is.

[redietz]

And give that Irish hoodlum a drink!

You should stick to things you know about, like earning minimum wage pushing buttons!

The wager has been exactly the same since I proposed it months ago. Actually, Axel is doing precisely what you are saying he won't he is stipulating that I must play a table game, which is what the wager has always been anyway. As, I think it was KewlJ keeps saying about you, "You can't make this stuff up" - meaning, you can't make up how disjointed and off your posts are becoming, Mickey!

Axel goes to casinos every day, right? When they are open anyway. So, show up for four days and play in the same casino as I do and let's see who wins more. That's about all there is to it don't make it complicated.

Irishman, you have thirty grand, why don't you come to Vegas and try to beat the great MDawg. Once you find another twenty that is.

Pardon me, as I have not read every scintillating post regarding this stuff, but isn't what MDawg's proposing just a version of the old "Singer" challenge where he bets he'll have a "winning session" or "winning trip?" It's just a challenge where the guy forces the opposition into playing a -EV game while the guy uses a non-flat-bet martingale variation to try to generate a "session" win. Since a martingale variant is going to come out ahead in 80% of "sessions," and the challenger will probably lose playing the -EV table game, the non-flat-bet dude has a great situation.

I'm surprised "Singer" didn't pick up on this!! LOL.

Why not, instead, tie it to playing x number of hands or x number of hands at y stakes? Or maybe a minimum total bet volume (handle) while requiring a certain minimum of hands? That takes martingale variants pretty much out of it. It requires the challenger to watch the whole process, however, not just get some summary at the end from the host.

I'm sure "Singer" could help design the proper protocols for MDawg to not employ a martingale variant. He's usually been in the Dawg's shoes with these kinds of challenges.

I wonder why "Singer" didn't point out what I just said????

Oh, the irony!!

[mickeycrimm]

And give that Irish hoodlum a drink!

You should stick to things you know about, like earning minimum wage pushing buttons!

The wager has been exactly the same since I proposed it months ago. Actually, Axel is doing precisely what you are saying he won't he is stipulating that I must play a table game, which is what the wager has always been anyway. As, I think it was KewlJ keeps saying about you, "You can't make this stuff up" - meaning, you can't make up how disjointed and off your posts are becoming, Mickey!

Axel goes to casinos every day, right? When they are open anyway. So, show up for four days and play in the same casino as I do and let's see who wins more. That's about all there is to it don't make it complicated.

Irishman, you have thirty grand, why don't you come to Vegas and try to beat the great MDawg. Once you find another twenty that is.

I'm not a sucker like you. I don't play negative expectation games. Now look, idiot. You went to Vegas a couple of times last year and this year and you may have gotten lucky and won. Just some short term variance is all. Then you brag "I've been winning for two years." No you haven't. You didn't play the whole two years only a fraction of it. You are embarrassing yourself more and more with every post. Everyone see's what a nitwit you are.

Now go git your shine box.

[MDawg]

When you've figured it out, let me know!

I will play Baccarat - Axel may play anything he wishes.

In any case, Axel and I agreed to set the discussion aside for now until we get closer to the actual next MDawg trip, and then try to finalize it. So the rest of you may take a rest.

What's got into you anyway? I'm breaking your balls a little, that's all.

[BoSox]

MDawg is so lucky that during the challenge bet he is likely to hit the tie bet 17 times in a row.

[redietz]

And give that Irish hoodlum a drink!

You should stick to things you know about, like earning minimum wage pushing buttons!

The wager has been exactly the same since I proposed it months ago. Actually, Axel is doing precisely what you are saying he won't he is stipulating that I must play a table game, which is what the wager has always been anyway. As, I think it was KewlJ keeps saying about you, "You can't make this stuff up" - meaning, you can't make up how disjointed and off your posts are becoming, Mickey!

Axel goes to casinos every day, right? When they are open anyway. So, show up for four days and play in the same casino as I do and let's see who wins more. That's about all there is to it don't make it complicated.

Irishman, you have thirty grand, why don't you come to Vegas and try to beat the great MDawg. Once you find another twenty that is.

Pardon me, as I have not read every scintillating post regarding this stuff, but isn't what MDawg's proposing just a version of the old "Singer" challenge where he bets he'll have a "winning session" or "winning trip?" It's just a challenge where the guy forces the opposition into playing a -EV game while the guy uses a non-flat-bet martingale variation to try to generate a "session" win. Since a martingale variant is going to come out ahead in 80% of "sessions," and the challenger will probably lose playing the -EV table game, the non-flat-bet dude has a great situation.

I'm surprised "Singer" didn't pick up on this!! LOL.

Why not, instead, tie it to playing x number of hands or x number of hands at y stakes? Or maybe a minimum total bet volume (handle) while requiring a certain minimum of hands? That takes martingale variants pretty much out of it. It requires the challenger to watch the whole process, however, not just get some summary at the end from the host.

I'm sure "Singer" could help design the proper protocols for MDawg to not employ a martingale variant. He's usually been in the Dawg's shoes with these kinds of challenges.

I wonder why "Singer" didn't point out what I just said????

Oh, the irony!!

I'm going to ask this again, as I don't see the strategical difference between the usual "Singer" challenge and the MDawg challenge. They are both session/trip martingale strategies with no minimum number of hands or designated handle versus someone else playing a -EV game with a (presumably) smaller bankroll ("Singer" always lugged around 50K or thereabouts, allegedly).

I think it's pretty funny/ironic that both "Singer" and the Dawg start off with roughly the same bankroll. I was wondering how "Singer" lugged the cash around. I can fit about 10K in my shoes with not much problem. Maybe cowboy boots? Yeah, that's the ticket. Some big-ass boots.

[MDawg]

Martingale is stupid. I played that once when I was barely old enough to be in a casino. Never again.

[AxelWolf]

Axel has said there has to be money on it and you can bet it has to be a substantial amount. He also said he gets to play any game in the house, not limited to table games. MDawg is coming behind and saying he doesn't want a wager and Axel must play a table game. That's not what Axel said he would do.

Go back to WOV and read the thread again, you're misunderstanding some or most of what's been written.

You're wrong that Axel must play a table game, and whether or not Axel demanded a substantial wager is not clear.

It would help clear things up if Axel would name the amount of the wager he needs to participate, but he didn't mention a wager on this forum when he asked for himself and Mike to be invited to witness MDawg's play.

But there is plenty of time to work the conditions out.

So far it looks encouraging.

MDawg has demanded Axel play a table game. I guarantee you Axel will never agree to that. And he will not play for cheap stakes. He wants a substantial amount of money wagered on it. I know all this without talking to him because I know how he will win the bet. It's shit AP's know but you guys don't. But there is a cost factor so he is going to want a substantial bet from MDawg to go through with it.

Yes, I clearly stated I could play any game any method I wanted and he must play Baccarat. I clearly stated I would be angle shooting in order to win the bet. My whole point is to show just how easy it is to win money on demand but you didn't actually really win anything. I will have more money when I walk out of the casino then I walked in with, done via making bets or wagers of some kind.

[Keystone]

And give that Irish hoodlum a drink!

You should stick to things you know about, like earning minimum wage pushing buttons!

The wager has been exactly the same since I proposed it months ago. Actually, Axel is doing precisely what you are saying he won't he is stipulating that I must play a table game, which is what the wager has always been anyway. As, I think it was KewlJ keeps saying about you, "You can't make this stuff up" - meaning, you can't make up how disjointed and off your posts are becoming, Mickey!

Axel goes to casinos every day, right? When they are open anyway. So, show up for four days and play in the same casino as I do and let's see who wins more. That's about all there is to it don't make it complicated.

Irishman, you have thirty grand, why don't you come to Vegas and try to beat the great MDawg. Once you find another twenty that is.

LOL....gotta admit the photo and your caption were funny AF....well done

[MDawg]

Thank you! Keystone.


Axel, I thought we were going to leave it alone until we get closer to the actual date. But in any case, this was the original wager, and it has never changed:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...80/#post753072


other than that in this case, with you, I am fine with confining myself to Baccarat, and you and I talked about four days not two weeks. No sports betting for you though, that was stipulated four months ago.

I mean gotta play like against like, apples with apples, otherwise, like I said yesterday at WOV, you're talking about comparing what one man wins in a casino with income from something that isn't even comparably relevant.

Anyway, I have been saying the same thing on this wager for four months now, no change.

[Rob.Singer]

And give that Irish hoodlum a drink!

You should stick to things you know about, like earning minimum wage pushing buttons!

The wager has been exactly the same since I proposed it months ago. Actually, Axel is doing precisely what you are saying he won't he is stipulating that I must play a table game, which is what the wager has always been anyway. As, I think it was KewlJ keeps saying about you, "You can't make this stuff up" - meaning, you can't make up how disjointed and off your posts are becoming, Mickey!

Axel goes to casinos every day, right? When they are open anyway. So, show up for four days and play in the same casino as I do and let's see who wins more. That's about all there is to it don't make it complicated.

Irishman, you have thirty grand, why don't you come to Vegas and try to beat the great MDawg. Once you find another twenty that is.

Pardon me, as I have not read every scintillating post regarding this stuff, but isn't what MDawg's proposing just a version of the old "Singer" challenge where he bets he'll have a "winning session" or "winning trip?" It's just a challenge where the guy forces the opposition into playing a -EV game while the guy uses a non-flat-bet martingale variation to try to generate a "session" win. Since a martingale variant is going to come out ahead in 80% of "sessions," and the challenger will probably lose playing the -EV table game, the non-flat-bet dude has a great situation.

I'm surprised "Singer" didn't pick up on this!! LOL.

Why not, instead, tie it to playing x number of hands or x number of hands at y stakes? Or maybe a minimum total bet volume (handle) while requiring a certain minimum of hands? That takes martingale variants pretty much out of it. It requires the challenger to watch the whole process, however, not just get some summary at the end from the host.

I'm sure "Singer" could help design the proper protocols for MDawg to not employ a martingale variant. He's usually been in the Dawg's shoes with these kinds of challenges.

I wonder why "Singer" didn't point out what I just said????

Oh, the irony!!

I'm going to ask this again, as I don't see the strategical difference between the usual "Singer" challenge and the MDawg challenge. They are both session/trip martingale strategies with no minimum number of hands or designated handle versus someone else playing a -EV game with a (presumably) smaller bankroll ("Singer" always lugged around 50K or thereabouts, allegedly).

I think it's pretty funny/ironic that both "Singer" and the Dawg start off with roughly the same bankroll. I was wondering how "Singer" lugged the cash around. I can fit about 10K in my shoes with not much problem. Maybe cowboy boots? Yeah, that's the ticket. Some big-ass boots.

Weird. Just plain weird.

I don't see where mdawg plays any type of Martingale and neither do I.

[kewlJ]

Can I ask what you have set up in terms of verification? The only way this would work is if there were impartial observers verifying your wagers and results for both participants, for the period of the wager.

[MDawg]

I stated that since I play with player cards, that while in my case we could go to my host at the end of the four days and see what he has for me in terms of table game win, I assume that Axel plays under the radar, so we'd have to get two people, one for each of us, to watch each of us during the play and that I would cover the witnesses' meals with my comps.

That way it's all verified by humans, in my case, double verified.

[kewlJ]

I stated that since I play with player cards, that while in my case we could go to my host at the end of the four days and see what he has for me in terms of table game win, I assume that Axel plays under the radar, so we'd have to get two people, one for each of us, to watch each of us during the play and that I would cover the witnesses' meals with my comps.

That way it's all verified by humans, in my case, double verified.

Well depending on exactly when it is, I volunteer and can make myself available to verify your play. Based on the current relationship between AxelWolf and myself, I don't think it a good idea that I be involved on his end. Besides, I want to see exactly what you are doing. In the unlikely event that you are doing something that would allow you to win, based on mathematical principals, I'll get to see....since you don't want to tell us.

I don't see the casinos being open before memorial day at the earliest. And that is if everything goes as well as it can, and that includes China opening up. If the virus roars back in China as they open, places like casinos in the US may end up being closed for a very long time. But that is really a different discussion.

[MDawg]

Actually booked an early May stay in Vegas some time ago, well before coronavirus.

If I go to Vegas it's going to be bad enough that I'll expose myself to potentially infected others or infected material objects such as chips, down in the casino, but do I have the right to go down there every day and come back up to the room and expose conceivably my wife to the same? I can't see myself doing that, taking those sorts of communal risks over something like gambling. Or really over anything that isn't a necessity.

So things will really have to improve by May to justify not cancelling that trip.