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  1. #1301
    A new all time low for WOV. 289K!
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  2. #1302
    A few Arizona casinos couldn't stay open, re-closing:

    Arizona casinos’ virus safety plan mirrored Las Vegas casinos’; now they’re closed:
    https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...losed-2056470/


    Perhaps the reason why, as noted above, that the Nevada gaming control switched to mandating masks at all table games where 6' plexiglass barriers were not in place.
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  3. #1303
    So what you're saying is there's only 289,000 sites that have more interest?

    Is that terrible in a world approaching 8 billion in population?

    I have no clue. That's why I ask.

    It would probably rank lower if everyone would quit checking it multiple times a day....LOL

    Is there really anything worth checking more than once per week at this point?

  4. #1304
    It's relative to where they were.

    At the height of the Adventures of MDawg thread, before my WOV suspensions started in 2019, WOV Alexa rank was around 77K. Once I was suspended, dropped straight down to around 200K, got back up to around 174K in mid March 2020, when my thread was back, and then ever since MDawg was suspended, it's been a very steady downhill.

    Last I had checked Alexa, just a couple weeks ago, they were at 258K. And now WOV is at 289K.

    I stopped looking at WOV. I don't even allow the site to load, for any reason. I might go back to checking it occasionally. But still, there aren't that many of us here at VCT to begin with (maybe - a dozen active members?) to even glance at WOV - our dirty dozen's loading WOV a few times a day wouldn't help the ranking much.

    With all of these sites - VCT included, the primary traffic is unregistered guests. At any given moment on the average forum there are anywhere from 10 to 100 or even 1000 X more guests on there than registered logged on members. That's why the Adventures of MDawg threads have hundreds of thousands of hits these come from unregistered guests visiting.

    For example at this moment, there are 117 guests on here versus 8 registered members:


    If you check, these unregistered guests tend to be viewing the most popular forum threads.

    Now, some of these guests are Google and other search engine bots, that appear the moment any new content appears on the site, to scrape it, but these bots arrive and leave quickly - any sustained guest traffic tends to be human.

    If you check Alexa, it also tells you how long the average visitor spent on the site in an average day. This latest 289K rank indicates an average of five minutes. That is a fairly long time, and not indicative of bot traffic. Five minutes is indicative of some level of engagement.

    By comparison, Facebook, ranked #4 in the world, engages the average visitor for about eighteen minutes a day

    which is not absurdly higher than the five minutes at WOV.

    The higher the Alexa rank the bigger the bucks the site justifies for PPC and banner advertising. As WOV traffic heads downhill, that's just less money the owners are able to justify an advertiser to pay for those banner ads.
    Last edited by MDawg; 06-19-2020 at 06:58 PM.
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  5. #1305
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    It's relative to where they were.

    At the height of the Adventures of MDawg thread, before my WOV suspensions started in 2019, WOV Alexa rank was around 77K. Once I was suspended, dropped straight down to around 200K, got back up to around 174K in mid March 2020, when my thread was back, and then ever since MDawg was suspended, it's been a very steady downhill.

    Last I had checked Alexa, just a couple weeks ago, they were at 258K. And now WOV is at 289K.

    I stopped looking at WOV. I don't even allow the site to load, for any reason. I might go back to checking it occasionally. But still, there aren't that many of us here at VCT to begin with (maybe - a dozen active members?) to even glance at WOV - our dirty dozen's loading WOV a few times a day wouldn't help the ranking much.

    With all of these sites - VCT included, the primary traffic is unregistered guests. At any given moment on the average forum there are anywhere from 10 to 100 or even 1000 X more guests on there than registered logged on members. That's why the Adventures of MDawg threads have hundreds of thousands of hits these come from unregistered guests visiting.

    For example at this moment, there are 117 guests on here versus 8 registered members:


    If you check, these unregistered guests tend to be viewing the most popular forum threads.

    Now, some of these guests are Google and other search engine bots, that appear the moment any new content appears on the site, to scrape it, but these bots arrive and leave quickly - any sustained guest traffic tends to be human.

    If you check Alexa, it also tells you how long the average visitor spent on the site in an average day. This latest 289K rank indicates an average of five minutes. That is a fairly long time, and not indicative of bot traffic. Five minutes is indicative of some level of engagement.

    By comparison, Facebook, ranked #4 in the world, engages the average visitor for about eighteen minutes a day

    which is not absurdly higher than the five minutes at WOV.

    The higher the Alexa rank the bigger the bucks the site justifies for PPC and banner advertising. As WOV traffic heads downhill, that's just less money the owners are able to justify an advertiser to pay for those banner ads.
    It's highly unlikely they get paid for banner ads or clicks. Normally, Casino affiliate programs only pay their Affiliates when someone uses their link, signs up and MAKES A DEPOSIT. Mike said multiple times, WOV made very very little money, if any at all. The revenue comes from Wizard Of Odds. If that WOV was worthwhile, I have no doubt they would be much more active on there and it would look a lot more like LCB.
    I have a feeling that site deters more people from online gambling then it entices given all the negative stuff said about online gambling there.

  6. #1306
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    It's relative to where they were.

    At the height of the Adventures of MDawg thread, before my WOV suspensions started in 2019, WOV Alexa rank was around 77K. Once I was suspended, dropped straight down to around 200K, got back up to around 174K in mid March 2020, when my thread was back, and then ever since MDawg was suspended, it's been a very steady downhill.

    Last I had checked Alexa, just a couple weeks ago, they were at 258K. And now WOV is at 289K.

    I stopped looking at WOV. I don't even allow the site to load, for any reason. I might go back to checking it occasionally. But still, there aren't that many of us here at VCT to begin with (maybe - a dozen active members?) to even glance at WOV - our dirty dozen's loading WOV a few times a day wouldn't help the ranking much.

    With all of these sites - VCT included, the primary traffic is unregistered guests. At any given moment on the average forum there are anywhere from 10 to 100 or even 1000 X more guests on there than registered logged on members. That's why the Adventures of MDawg threads have hundreds of thousands of hits these come from unregistered guests visiting.

    For example at this moment, there are 117 guests on here versus 8 registered members:


    If you check, these unregistered guests tend to be viewing the most popular forum threads.

    Now, some of these guests are Google and other search engine bots, that appear the moment any new content appears on the site, to scrape it, but these bots arrive and leave quickly - any sustained guest traffic tends to be human.

    If you check Alexa, it also tells you how long the average visitor spent on the site in an average day. This latest 289K rank indicates an average of five minutes. That is a fairly long time, and not indicative of bot traffic. Five minutes is indicative of some level of engagement.

    By comparison, Facebook, ranked #4 in the world, engages the average visitor for about eighteen minutes a day

    which is not absurdly higher than the five minutes at WOV.

    The higher the Alexa rank the bigger the bucks the site justifies for PPC and banner advertising. As WOV traffic heads downhill, that's just less money the owners are able to justify an advertiser to pay for those banner ads.
    It's highly unlikely they get paid for banner ads or clicks. Normally, Casino affiliate programs only pay their Affiliates when someone uses their link, signs up and MAKES A DEPOSIT. Mike said multiple times, WOV made very very little money, if any at all. The revenue comes from Wizard Of Odds. If that WOV was worthwhile, I have no doubt they would be much more active on there and it would look a lot more like LCB.
    I have a feeling that site deters more people from online gambling then it entices given all the negative stuff said about online gambling there.
    Your probably right, that would explain why Chan and Zuga could care less and let Wizard pulverize the place.

  7. #1307
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Your probably right, that would explain why Chan and Zuga could care less and let Wizard pulverize the place.
    He's definitely right.

  8. #1308
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Your probably right, that would explain why Chan and Zuga could care less and let Wizard pulverize the place.
    He's definitely right.
    Except for the part when one or both of the Serbs stepped in to remove political discussions being allowed. That showed that they have some concerns about how the site is viewed. That said I agree with everyone that the site makes little or no money and they leave it mostly alone for the Wizard to use as a playground for his perverse amusement.

  9. #1309
    WOO has been going down too. See the sharp downward slope?


    I haven't tracked WOO regularly but I do recall looking at it once about a year ago and seeing a much higher Alexa rank there too, in the area of 70000 or so (which, actually, WOV was in the 77K range too, about a year ago. The reason I recall this is that I have a business site that is in the top 100K which is where you want to be.) Anywhere in the top 100K is pretty good, but within the top 50K is great.

    When Axel says that casino websites pay only for people who click on their banners and then verifiably sign up,
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Casino affiliate programs only pay their Affiliates when someone uses their link, signs up and MAKES A DEPOSIT.
    I am sure he is just saying that because he thinks it is true. He's never owned an online casino. And there's the biggest different between this jokester and me - if I don't know, I won't say a word. I don't know if casinos operate differently from other PPC (pay per click) or pay for placement (rent space on a site for a banner) advertisers, so I won't comment. But I do know SEO, and given that Axel came in here and spouted some nonsense about "how easy it is to manipulate Alexa rankings" I have to assume that he may have no idea what he is talking about here too.

    Just spending a few minutes of research I found this article
    The Cost of Google Adwords
    for Online Casino's
    https://www.sayu.co.uk/the-cost-of-g...e-casinos.html
    which outlines the PPC cost of casino advertising online, and just the existence of this article contradicts Axel's claim that online casinos will not pay per click for advertising.
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

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  10. #1310
    What's the ranking on this site?

  11. #1311
    I haven't tracked VCT regularly but last I looked it was over a million. That's not really all that bad I mean there are legitimate sites making a few grand a month (in sales of product) that have NO Alexa rank (meaning so little traffic Alex doesn't bother to rank them) but such sites might be targeted well with organic SEO or PPC so that they have a high rate of conversions (high rate of those who go there...buy something).

    You could have a site with only 100 visitors a day but if ten of them buy something that could make a lot for the site.

    Between the three sites: WOV > GF > VCT as far as traffic.

    Diversitytomorrow.com has a rank of 7.5 M - way down there, lower than many sites that Alexa doesn't bother to rank anymore.
    Last edited by MDawg; 06-20-2020 at 10:13 AM.
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  12. #1312
    Masks now mandatory at all Vegas table games...because of those who flaunted the suggestion to wear them!
    https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...hange-2056887/

    As incredible as it seems, the contingent of people who vow to never set foot inside a Nevada casino as long as protective facial coverings are not required can thank those who refuse to enter if they’re forced to wear them.
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  13. #1313
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Your probably right, that would explain why Chan and Zuga could care less and let Wizard pulverize the place.
    He's definitely right.
    Except for the part when one or both of the Serbs stepped in to remove political discussions being allowed. That showed that they have some concerns about how the site is viewed. That said I agree with everyone that the site makes little or no money and they leave it mostly alone for the Wizard to use as a playground for his perverse amusement.
    I can't really comment. If you know for a fact that they directly decided that, then you already know more about it than I do.

  14. #1314
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    I am sure he is just saying that because he thinks it is true. He's never owned an online casino. And there's the biggest different between this jokester and me - if I don't know, I won't say a word. I don't know if casinos operate differently from other PPC (pay per click) or pay for placement (rent space on a site for a banner) advertisers, so I won't comment. But I do know SEO, and given that Axel came in here and spouted some nonsense about "how easy it is to manipulate Alexa rankings" I have to assume that he may have no idea what he is talking about here too.

    Just spending a few minutes of research I found this article
    The Cost of Google Adwords
    for Online Casino's
    https://www.sayu.co.uk/the-cost-of-g...e-casinos.html
    which outlines the PPC cost of casino advertising online, and just the existence of this article contradicts Axel's claim that online casinos will not pay per click for advertising.
    Maybe he is just saying it because he thinks it's true, but even if you're right about that, it wouldn't make his statement any less correct.

    They might also do PPC, don't know, there might also be some metadata sales and other stuff that goes on (I also don't know). But, at a minimum, the primary revenue source is from folks actually depositing into the online casinos. Granted, more page views (eyes) results in more outreach, so it's good in that sense, but is hardly the bottom line.

    Anyway, now you're the one just spouting off. I don't claim to know all of the components of the revenue structure, but I do know deposits are the biggest part of it.
    Last edited by Mission146; 06-22-2020 at 06:56 AM.

  15. #1315
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post

    They might also do PPC, don't know, there might also be some metadata sales and other stuff that goes on (I also don't know).
    If you don't know, then stay out of it! Well, at least you don't make TENS of THOUSANDS of posts when you don't know. Just a few.

    You know the Wiz - why don't you message him and ask him directly - do your banner ads on your sites pay revenue just for display, via PPC or only if someone follows them all the way to conversion (sign up). I know him too and could ask him directly but in that he's discussed legal matters with me I think it would be inappropriate for me to relay anything he and I discuss in public.
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  16. #1316
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    WOO has been going down too. See the sharp downward slope?


    I haven't tracked WOO regularly but I do recall looking at it once about a year ago and seeing a much higher Alexa rank there too, in the area of 70000 or so (which, actually, WOV was in the 77K range too, about a year ago. The reason I recall this is that I have a business site that is in the top 100K which is where you want to be.) Anywhere in the top 100K is pretty good, but within the top 50K is great.

    When Axel says that casino websites pay only for people who click on their banners and then verifiably sign up,
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Casino affiliate programs only pay their Affiliates when someone uses their link, signs up and MAKES A DEPOSIT.
    I am sure he is just saying that because he thinks it is true. He's never owned an online casino. And there's the biggest different between this jokester and me - if I don't know, I won't say a word. I don't know if casinos operate differently from other PPC (pay per click) or pay for placement (rent space on a site for a banner) advertisers, so I won't comment. But I do know SEO, and given that Axel came in here and spouted some nonsense about "how easy it is to manipulate Alexa rankings" I have to assume that he may have no idea what he is talking about here too.

    Just spending a few minutes of research I found this article
    The Cost of Google Adwords
    for Online Casino's
    https://www.sayu.co.uk/the-cost-of-g...e-casinos.html
    which outlines the PPC cost of casino advertising online, and just the existence of this article contradicts Axel's claim that online casinos will not pay per click for advertising.
    I have no idea what that link is that you just posted, it looks like a for-profit site counting whatever they are selling. I'm sure there's always some exceptions to the rule. Go look at all the casinos they advertise on wov and look at each casinos affiliate program, I guarantee you most of them are either a commission based off of what the players loss is or it's based on a CPA per deposit or some type of hybrid deal.

  17. #1317
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    WOO has been going down too. See the sharp downward slope?


    I haven't tracked WOO regularly but I do recall looking at it once about a year ago and seeing a much higher Alexa rank there too, in the area of 70000 or so (which, actually, WOV was in the 77K range too, about a year ago. The reason I recall this is that I have a business site that is in the top 100K which is where you want to be.) Anywhere in the top 100K is pretty good, but within the top 50K is great.

    When Axel says that casino websites pay only for people who click on their banners and then verifiably sign up,
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Casino affiliate programs only pay their Affiliates when someone uses their link, signs up and MAKES A DEPOSIT.
    I am sure he is just saying that because he thinks it is true. He's never owned an online casino. And there's the biggest different between this jokester and me - if I don't know, I won't say a word. I don't know if casinos operate differently from other PPC (pay per click) or pay for placement (rent space on a site for a banner) advertisers, so I won't comment. But I do know SEO, and given that Axel came in here and spouted some nonsense about "how easy it is to manipulate Alexa rankings" I have to assume that he may have no idea what he is talking about here too.

    Just spending a few minutes of research I found this article
    The Cost of Google Adwords
    for Online Casino's
    https://www.sayu.co.uk/the-cost-of-g...e-casinos.html
    which outlines the PPC cost of casino advertising online, and just the existence of this article contradicts Axel's claim that online casinos will not pay per click for advertising.
    I have no idea what that link is that you just posted, it looks like a for-profit site counting whatever they are selling. I'm sure there's always some exceptions to the rule. Go look at all the casinos they advertise on wov and look at each casinos affiliate program, I guarantee you most of them are either a commission based off of what the players loss is or it's based on a CPA per deposit or some type of hybrid deal.

    Just an uneducated guess, but I would see WoO dropping in the last 3 months based on a lack of interest in casinos when they were closed.

  18. #1318
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    https://www.visitwynn.com/documents/...inner_Menu.pdf

    Here is a link to the dinner menu. Not worth $60 a person to me, but maybe it is to others.
    This might just be the world we live in now, and the only way a buffet will work, but two problems with the Wynn system:

    1. When I eat at a buffet I'll eat a lot, maybe fifteen plates of food, but I'll take just a small, sometimes even tiny amount of each dish that I want. I'll eat all of it, no waste. The Wynn system brings you a full serving of each item you choose, which is going to lead to a lot of waste - eating Jim Morrison style like that, ordering a bunch of dishes just to taste each one - the wastefulness would bother me.

    2. The words on the menu don't translate necessarily to knowing whether you really want the dish. A picture might be helpful, but I need to see it in person to decide for sure, which again this menu system might lead to waste from ordering things that arrive and don't look as appetizing as they sound.

    And again, this might just be the world we live in now, and must accept it.

    In the end, the casino might end up making more money on the buffet doing it this way, as people feel inhibited from ordering too much food as the half full dishes rack up, or - they get full from eating up all of the first few plates brought to them, and stop ordering. I know no traditional buffet makes money on me - I eat too much.
    Last edited by MDawg; 06-22-2020 at 12:35 PM.
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  19. #1319
    They'll pay you to wear a mask!
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas...210733720.html

    Wearing a mask inside a Caesars Entertainment casino?

    Someone from the company may tap you on the shoulder and slip you $20 to gamble.

    The operator of five reopened hotel-casinos on The Strip has launched the promotion to encourage guests to wear masks and prevent the spread of COVID-19.

    Over the weekend, a promotions team walked through Caesars Palace, Paris, Flamingo, The Linq and Harrah's to find people wearing masks while gambling or strolling the casino floor. All told, 375 guests got $7,500.


    At first I thought this was about paying the people without masks $20. to put one on, but no, it's about positive reinforcement - getting paid to wear one.
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

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  20. #1320
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    WOO has been going down too. See the sharp downward slope?


    I haven't tracked WOO regularly but I do recall looking at it once about a year ago and seeing a much higher Alexa rank there too, in the area of 70000 or so (which, actually, WOV was in the 77K range too, about a year ago. The reason I recall this is that I have a business site that is in the top 100K which is where you want to be.) Anywhere in the top 100K is pretty good, but within the top 50K is great.

    When Axel says that casino websites pay only for people who click on their banners and then verifiably sign up,

    I am sure he is just saying that because he thinks it is true. He's never owned an online casino. And there's the biggest different between this jokester and me - if I don't know, I won't say a word. I don't know if casinos operate differently from other PPC (pay per click) or pay for placement (rent space on a site for a banner) advertisers, so I won't comment. But I do know SEO, and given that Axel came in here and spouted some nonsense about "how easy it is to manipulate Alexa rankings" I have to assume that he may have no idea what he is talking about here too.

    Just spending a few minutes of research I found this article
    The Cost of Google Adwords
    for Online Casino's
    https://www.sayu.co.uk/the-cost-of-g...e-casinos.html
    which outlines the PPC cost of casino advertising online, and just the existence of this article contradicts Axel's claim that online casinos will not pay per click for advertising.
    I have no idea what that link is that you just posted, it looks like a for-profit site counting whatever they are selling. I'm sure there's always some exceptions to the rule. Go look at all the casinos they advertise on wov and look at each casinos affiliate program, I guarantee you most of them are either a commission based off of what the players loss is or it's based on a CPA per deposit or some type of hybrid deal.

    Just an uneducated guess, but I would see WoO dropping in the last 3 months based on a lack of interest in casinos when they were closed.
    That would make sens. I wonder if LCB went up? Whatever the case, I have not once ever cared or wondered how if my presents on a website attracted views or not. Would you say that you have to be a conceited insecure person to wonder that? Now imagine if you kept posting about such matters?

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