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  1. #1
    Shout out to thus fucking motherfukeer rigged ass town. Keep cheating me on every fucking holiday weekend, big event weekend(Fight Night weekends), and any weekend period. Literally every fucking weekend i lose every single one especially on holidays and big event weekends. Keep cheating me. Im bot the onr worried.

    Also shout out to divine intervention. One big fucking shout out to the only one that can trulystop me. Sincemywhole life is fucking predetermined and i have ZERO control of any outcome in my life id like to give a vig fucking shout. Out once again to the great divine intervention who has trolled memt whole fucking life as soon as i do the slightest bad deed to soneone. It can be as simple as cursing everyone out, calling people idiots, or better yet not completing compulsions. I thought i had conpelted my most recent compulsion as soon as i won a big shoe i said id do it two more times all shoe the next 2 or so shoes even though i forgot one time so i did it again for the next shoe or whatever and guess what? I guess it wasnt conplete cause i start losing as soon as i stop doing it. I also start losing exactly as soon as a rigged weekend hits back 2 back holiday weekends and big event weekends fight night. Valentines day, Presidents Day and now big event faggot weekend between two faggots on the strip.

    Everyone says oh its just a coincidence. Yea ita a fucking coincidence EVERY FUCKING TIME? Literally as soon as a rigged weekend strikes or some type of gay ass compulsion at the table that i stop doing? REALLY? Or as soon as i curse everyone out and say i dont need anyone in my life? Really? Hahahahhathatd why ill always be the fucking best at this. Game

    Find someone better than me at blackjack and ill KILL MYSELF tomorrow. Find me one fucking person. Guess what you wont find it cause thats me.

    Shout out to secirity and pit boss and management as well. Unless you FUCKING KILL ME. IM NOT GOING ANYWHERE. PRAY TO GOD DIVINE INTERVENTION KEEPS FUCKING TROLLING ME EVERY CHANCE THEY GET OR I NATURALLY RUN BAD WHICH WILL LIKELY KEEP HAPLENING CAUSE I JUST WROTE THIS. POST AND BAD KARMA IS COMING FOR ME YET AGAIN.

    HOW THE FUCK HAVE I EVEN AMDE MONEY AT THID GAME WITH ALL THIS SHIT AGAINST ME? OH THATS RIGHT CAUSE IM THE FUCKING BEST. TWO STEPS AHEAD OF EVERYONR NO ONE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO FUCK ME OVER AT ANYTHING
    Last edited by ZenKinG; 02-22-2020 at 04:35 AM.

  2. #2
    And people say I have issues!!



  3. #3
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    And people say I have issues!!


    LMAO! I have a feeling that Zenking will soon calm down and claim that he is calm and regrets this post made in impulsive, fed up anger.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zk2WAFzDcrJ7pjNB7

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  4. #4
    Disturbing but at least something posted in the appropriate subforum for once. See how that works Tosh, a post about LAS VEGAS casinos and events in the LAS VEGAS subforum. When it’s NOT about Las Vegas belongs in a different subforum. Capeesh?

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Disturbing but at least something posted in the appropriate subforum for once. See how that works Tosh, a post about LAS VEGAS casinos and events in the LAS VEGAS subforum. When it’s NOT about Las Vegas belongs in a different subforum. Capeesh?
    Not necessarily. Anything about gambling goes in the las vegas section. That's the way it's been since this forum began.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #6
    Can someone please tell me how they have fared in vegas on holiday weekends or big fight nights or big event weekends? More interested in blackjack results rather than other AP. Bonus point if you post results on the strip during these times.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    Can someone please tell me how they have fared in vegas on holiday weekends or big fight nights or big event weekends? More interested in blackjack results rather than other AP. Bonus point if you post results on the strip during these times.
    Okay, I'll admit on one particular Fourth Of July I lost big money at The Casino.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zk2WAFzDcrJ7pjNB7

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  8. #8
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    Can someone please tell me how they have fared in vegas on holiday weekends or big fight nights or big event weekends? More interested in blackjack results rather than other AP. Bonus point if you post results on the strip during these times.
    You are losing money by not knowing/exploiting the vulturable slot plays.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #9
    Zenking, I think you are over-analyzing your results. It is VERY easy to do. I sometimes find myself doing it. I would guess every grinder-type blackjack player has fallen into the trap of over-analyzing.

    Here is the analogy: A good hitting baseball player, batting let's say .310 for a season. Pretty good season. But if you go back and take a close look, you will see numerous times that he was on a very cold streak, batting 0 for 12, or 1 for 16 or 17 over a handful of games. In any large set of results you can find small subsets that seem "out of whack".

    Now complicating this further is that in blackjack, all games and sessions are not created equal. I have better games that are going to result in higher EV per round played. Maybe it is a game dealt much deeper than standard (deeper penetration). Maybe it is a game with an extraordinarily good rule, condition or side bet. Maybe it is the crowded weekends or big fight nights that allow you to play higher limits than usual. These are 3 examples of situations that are going to either have you seeing and playing more high counts (+EV) situations than "normal" or have you putting more money out during those +EV situations. This results in higher EV (longterm), but in the short-term if you happen to lose some of those sessions (think the baseball player 1 for 15 streak), you are going to experience large losses and greater variance, specifically because they are the better opportunities, with higher than usual high counts or larger max bet. It is almost sort of working against you in the short term.

    So here's the thing. I hope you are use software to determine your EV for each different game, condition and scenario. You should then just add up all those session EV and compare that total against actual results total. That is the fastest way to get to the long term and smooth out the variance. But every time you start digging into smaller subsets of these results, whether it be results by a particular casino, results by holiday weekends, or even something as stupid as results on a Tuesday afternoon, you just might stumble onto an oddity, that really has little meaning because the subset is too small. And for a paranoid person, who thinks every one is out to get them , this danger of over-analyzing becomes even greater.

    The total EV vs total win/loss is the most important record. That is the one that is going to get to and represent long-term and that is what blackjack card counting is all about. I am not saying you shouldn't keep smaller subset results, like results by individual casinos. I do. And I have been able to identify a couple "problem areas" because I do. But every time you see some negative results in a smaller subset it doesn't mean you are being cheated. It is a subset of results that really is insignificant to draw any conclusions from.

    As long as your total results fall within the normal range, I recommend that you not go looking for something that isn't there (over-anaylizing). You can't justify every freaking losing session. Sometimes you are just in a 0 for 11 slump.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 02-23-2020 at 09:11 AM.

  10. #10
    Now KJ, you know as well as anyone any time spent on this assclown is a waste. He won’t listen to you or anyone else. As you know many have tried to offer him help but he won’t take it and doesn’t need it.

    He is a danger to himself and others. Yet those who met him say it’s just him blowing off steam. I wonder what they say when he finally acts on his threats. There will be a lot of hand ringing and the excuses when Wiz and others are interviewed.

    I do believe someone threatened to report him on WoV, I certainly hope they did as it’s hard not to believe him when he threatened to shoot up casinos because they “cheated” him.

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Now KJ, you know as well as anyone any time spent on this assclown is a waste. He won’t listen to you or anyone else. As you know many have tried to offer him help but he won’t take it and doesn’t need it.

    He is a danger to himself and others. Yet those who met him say it’s just him blowing off steam. I wonder what they say when he finally acts on his threats. There will be a lot of hand ringing and the excuses when Wiz and others are interviewed.

    I do believe someone threatened to report him on WoV, I certainly hope they did as it’s hard not to believe him when he threatened to shoot up casinos because they “cheated” him.
    Boz, I don't necessarily agree that it is a "waste". Zenking vents....to the extreme! That is what we see with his internet posting. I don't think he is a danger to anyone but himself. BUT...it is not a good trait for an AP.

    I also think that when someone offers Zenking advice or even tries to help him in person, he may blow them off, even attack them, or respond with one of his 'everyone out to get him' or one of his "GOAT" comments. But when he calms down, he considers what was said and/or advice offered. He may not take that advice, but I think he considers it.

    I have been the target of some of his attacks. He has called me everything from a fake, to a casino spy. I am accustomed to people attacking me, so no biggie. If I can still help or offer advice or just share my own experiences, which is from a lot of trial and error, I am still going to.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Now KJ, you know as well as anyone any time spent on this assclown is a waste. He won’t listen to you or anyone else. As you know many have tried to offer him help but he won’t take it and doesn’t need it.

    He is a danger to himself and others. Yet those who met him say it’s just him blowing off steam. I wonder what they say when he finally acts on his threats. There will be a lot of hand ringing and the excuses when Wiz and others are interviewed.

    I do believe someone threatened to report him on WoV, I certainly hope they did as it’s hard not to believe him when he threatened to shoot up casinos because they “cheated” him.
    Boz, I don't necessarily agree that it is a "waste". Zenking vents....to the extreme! That is what we see with his internet posting. I don't think he is a danger to anyone but himself. BUT...it is not a good trait for an AP.

    I also think that when someone offers Zenking advice or even tries to help him in person, he may blow them off, even attack them, or respond with one of his 'everyone out to get him' or one of his "GOAT" comments. But when he calms down, he considers what was said and/or advice offered. He may not take that advice, but I think he considers it.

    I have been the target of some of his attacks. He has called me everything from a fake, to a casino spy. I am accustomed to people attacking me, so no biggie. If I can still help or offer advice or just share my own experiences, which is from a lot of trial and error, I am still going to.
    Your only benefit is if it helps someone else who doesn’t know it all and finds your post. I get what you do, and you always have as long as I’ve read your posts. It appears you truly want to help others with your knowledge. Many others have done the same for me including Mick on here. I’m not ashamed to admit it has made me money and that’s what it’s all about.

    But thinking ZK will listen or learn from it is crazy. He has had offers to learn slot AP from the best and basically told them it’s below him and is a waste of time. And I stick with with my claim he is a danger to explode.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Now KJ, you know as well as anyone any time spent on this assclown is a waste. He won’t listen to you or anyone else. As you know many have tried to offer him help but he won’t take it and doesn’t need it.

    He is a danger to himself and others. Yet those who met him say it’s just him blowing off steam. I wonder what they say when he finally acts on his threats. There will be a lot of hand ringing and the excuses when Wiz and others are interviewed.

    I do believe someone threatened to report him on WoV, I certainly hope they did as it’s hard not to believe him when he threatened to shoot up casinos because they “cheated” him.
    Boz, I don't necessarily agree that it is a "waste". Zenking vents....to the extreme! That is what we see with his internet posting. I don't think he is a danger to anyone but himself. BUT...it is not a good trait for an AP.

    I also think that when someone offers Zenking advice or even tries to help him in person, he may blow them off, even attack them, or respond with one of his 'everyone out to get him' or one of his "GOAT" comments. But when he calms down, he considers what was said and/or advice offered. He may not take that advice, but I think he considers it.

    I have been the target of some of his attacks. He has called me everything from a fake, to a casino spy. I am accustomed to people attacking me, so no biggie. If I can still help or offer advice or just share my own experiences, which is from a lot of trial and error, I am still going to.
    Your only benefit is if it helps someone else who doesn’t know it all and finds your post. I get what you do, and you always have as long as I’ve read your posts. It appears you truly want to help others with your knowledge. Many others have done the same for me including Mick on here. I’m not ashamed to admit it has made me money and that’s what it’s all about.
    Why would you be ashamed to admit that you have learned some things that you benefitted from others? I don't really get that, but good of you to acknowledge that and name Mickey. People should know that they were able to help others.

    In my early years, on the first blackjack forum I was on there were a number of members that seemed to take an interest in me and helped me greatly. And I have always tried to make sure that they know I appreciated it. BUT there were two in particular that it was a rocky road. One went by the handle Blackjack avenger. I can disclose that since it isn't his real name. While he offered advice, it was often mixed in with a great deal of criticism, about how I was doing this or that wrong or didn't understand this or that concept. And he often did so pretty unflatteringly (condescending). Often my first response was to argue and fight with him on line, as sometimes I don't take criticism all that well. <- But later when I thought about things, I almost always found his advice and criticism helpful.

    Another guy, one of the top table game AP's, if not the very best, posts under his real name (or a handle very much associated with his name), so I am not going to disclose it. I have learned a great deal from him, both publicly on the forums and privately. He is one of only a handful of AP's that I know personally and occasionally work with. But coming with that advice and knowledge that he has shared with me, has been a whole heap of public criticism. He hates that I haven't advanced from a card counter and publicly calls me every name in the book (his book), like salamander. But along with that, He has helped me greatly and I know taken a interest in me. For that I am grateful.

    So people have gone out of their way to help me along my journey. And I really have tried and wanted to do that for others. It is hard in today's online environment, because there really isn't much "helping" going on. It's all attacking one another. But every once in a while someone comes along and mentions that they have been reading me for years and have benefited from my participation. And even on the worst of these forums (probably this one), with all the trolling and hate, I always like to think that when I share something, some experience or some technique that I use, that even if it is not appreciated by the person, I am directing it at, that there may be someone, maybe even at a later time, that comes along reads and finds it beneficial.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 02-23-2020 at 11:06 AM.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Zenking, I think you are over-analyzing your results. It is VERY easy to do. I sometimes find myself doing it. I would guess every grinder-type blackjack player has fallen into the trap of over-analyzing.

    Here is the analogy: A good hitting baseball player, batting let's say .310 for a season. Pretty good season. But if you go back and take a close look, you will see numerous times that he was on a very cold streak, batting 0 for 12, or 1 for 16 or 17 over a handful of games. In any large set of results you can find small subsets that seem "out of whack".

    Now complicating this further is that in blackjack, all games and sessions are not created equal. I have better games that are going to result in higher EV per round played. Maybe it is a game dealt much deeper than standard (deeper penetration). Maybe it is a game with an extraordinarily good rule, condition or side bet. Maybe it is the crowded weekends or big fight nights that allow you to play higher limits than usual. These are 3 examples of situations that are going to either have you seeing and playing more high counts (+EV) situations than "normal" or have you putting more money out during those +EV situations. This results in higher EV (longterm), but in the short-term if you happen to lose some of those sessions (think the baseball player 1 for 15 streak), you are going to experience large losses and greater variance, specifically because they are the better opportunities, with higher than usual high counts or larger max bet. It is almost sort of working against you in the short term.

    So here's the thing. I hope you are use software to determine your EV for each different game, condition and scenario. You should then just add up all those session EV and compare that total against actual results total. That is the fastest way to get to the long term and smooth out the variance. But every time you start digging into smaller subsets of these results, whether it be results by a particular casino, results by holiday weekends, or even something as stupid as results on a Tuesday afternoon, you just might stumble onto an oddity, that really has little meaning because the subset is too small. And for a paranoid person, who thinks every one is out to get them , this danger of over-analyzing becomes even greater.

    The total EV vs total win/loss is the most important record. That is the one that is going to get to and represent long-term and that is what blackjack card counting is all about. I am not saying you shouldn't keep smaller subset results, like results by individual casinos. I do. And I have been able to identify a couple "problem areas" because I do. But every time you see some negative results in a smaller subset it doesn't mean you are being cheated. It is a subset of results that really is insignificant to draw any conclusions from.

    As long as your total results fall within the normal range, I recommend that you not go looking for something that isn't there (over-anaylizing). You can't justify every freaking losing session. Sometimes you are just in a 0 for 11 slump.

    These kinds of misinterpretations of data are often referred to as statistical artifacts. If you google the term, you'll read some great stuff that keeps you humble when trying to sort correlations from cause-and-effect.

  15. #15
    Hahahah to everyone its a 'coincidence'. To everyone its a 'statistical artifact'. Well guess what it HAPPENED AGAIN. IT HAPPENED AGAIN HAHAHAH.

    I was about to play heads up which im trying to more of now. Then some guy tries to join table and i tell him to just play himself since i 'wanna ay heads up' which was a COMPLETE LIE. Bad karma for lying and what do you expect. Sure i wanted to play heads up in that moment but the lie was that i rather see him eat negative rounds and then ill eat the positives. Well guess what happens ahahha. -1450 that shoe and the last round i have two 20s one a 10 and one a pat 20. I fouble the 10v2 and get a 20max bets 2x200. Dealer 10 in the hole then a 2 and you guessed it a 7 with a monster count hahabah. Wipes out both 20s max bets. You see how pre determined my life is? Not only do i lose look at what life does to me ahhahaha. Fuck all of you. Just count your blessings youre not as fucking cursed as me. Ive been running like complete shit ny whole 'career' and i still wont give up even with all the fucking divine itnevrention trolling, cheating and me running naturally bad. And thenim not supposed to thi k im the best fucking player alive.

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    Hahahah to everyone its a 'coincidence'. To everyone its a 'statistical artifact'. Well guess what it HAPPENED AGAIN. IT HAPPENED AGAIN HAHAHAH.

    I was about to play heads up which im trying to more of now. Then some guy tries to join table and i tell him to just play himself since i 'wanna ay heads up' which was a COMPLETE LIE. Bad karma for lying and what do you expect. Sure i wanted to play heads up in that moment but the lie was that i rather see him eat negative rounds and then ill eat the positives. Well guess what happens ahahha. -1450 that shoe and the last round i have two 20s one a 10 and one a pat 20. I fouble the 10v2 and get a 20max bets 2x200. Dealer 10 in the hole then a 2 and you guessed it a 7 with a monster count hahabah. Wipes out both 20s max bets. You see how pre determined my life is? Not only do i lose look at what life does to me ahhahaha. Fuck all of you. Just count your blessings youre not as fucking cursed as me. Ive been running like complete shit ny whole 'career' and i still wont give up even with all the fucking divine itnevrention trolling, cheating and me running naturally bad. And thenim not supposed to thi k im the best fucking player alive.
    O.O. I was expecting you to apologize for your OP, not go on another rant. O.O
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zk2WAFzDcrJ7pjNB7

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  18. #18
    Unclear whether ZenKing is complaining about losing or just not winning as much as he expects given the count.

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    Unclear whether ZenKing is complaining about losing or just not winning as much as he expects given the count.
    In general he seems to be complaining about not winning as much as HE expected.

    He came to Vegas with a BR of roughly 50k, 3 years ago. As of a couple months ago, his BR was down a bit like 43k, BUT he has lived and played (supported himself) for 3 years!. Because of credit issues, he is overpaying for a place to live. He has taken some trip to different places. I don't know what all his living expenses are, but he has lived for 3 years!

    The fact that his BR was down a bit (as of a few months ago) probably was just timing. His rants come during negative variance. I also believe he is not playing enough. Not putting in the rounds or time. AND he plays a lot of sub-par games on the strip, including 8 deck games. He also has this need that when he encounters a bad game and or thinks someone is cheating, he has this need to try to prove something...like he can still win, instead of just moving on to better and move profitable games. And DESPITE all this at last check, he was still surviving, had supported himself for 3 years and still had basically the same BR (it hadn't dissolved).

    Now if something has changed, like he has gone through his bankroll and it has shrunk considerably, please advise Zenking because that would be a problem. But if you are still running about the same BR, the issue is simply that you need to make adjustments, focus on better games with higher EV, put in more time and stop trying to prove whatever it is that you think you have to prove.

    I can assure you two things. 1) you are not the greatest card counter of all time. (no I am not either….we aren't even close) and 2) the world and everyone in the world is not out to get you. That is life. Things happen. Variance happens in blackjack....just deal with it.

  20. #20
    With all due respect mr Jay, you are talking like someone who’s never had mother fucking rigged ass bullshit against them.

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