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  1. #41
    Do you think we can do this everytime the Chinese breakout with a virus? Sell the economy out? Put millions out of work? Throw the country into a recession maybe even a depression? This could go on until May or June. And when it's all over with it will probably go down is history as a moderate flu season.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  2. #42
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Do you think we can do this everytime the Chinese breakout with a virus? Sell the economy out? Put millions out of work? Throw the country into a recession maybe even a depression? This could go on until May or June. And when it's all over with it will probably go down is history as a moderate flu season.
    Mickey, you've probably noticed that very few media outlets make a direct comparison of the non-Covid19 flu to that of the Coronovirus. As Ron pointed out in a different thread, 20000-40000 people die of influenza each year in the U.S. . Put that against the 100 or so covid deaths observed so far. Why won't the main stream media continuously update the number of influenza deaths each few minutes like they do with the Coronovirus and then compare the two figures?

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by wasilla View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by wasilla View Post

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that your IQ points exceed mine. Was the March 17th date like an over/under?

    That trip to LV forced me to plan and keep tabs on things in other countries. I just kept track of the experts. The rhetoric a few weeks ago was about a four on a seriousness scale, but when the military had to make some smaller decisions like who got transported where, it was pretty clear this was going to be bad. They did not really have a handle on percent of asymptomatic transmission and length of time this could go without symptoms. The CDC was a step behind other countries in figuring things out. I figured the US as a whole would be a step slow, because God knows, all Americans hate experts, and then it was easy to ballpark closures. We're on track for a slightly worse version of Italy, I think.

    I don't know where I mentioned it, but a week ago I ballparked the potential number of infected at 10 million. That's talking immediately, not a year or two down the road. The Germans think more than half of their population will be infected at some point. It could be real bad. The existing generations have not seen anything like this.
    I commend you on your diligence. By contrast, I was just catching some news reports since early January and didn't dig into it until I returned from Vegas. I probably spent a close to a couple hundred hours sitting at VP bars. When I wasn't doing that, I was often sitting at the bar at some brewpub. At one point I was hugging a person I'd only met an hour before.
    Alaska is at 3 cases as of last night and all 3 of these look to be from infections caught outside. There is no evidence that I am aware of that community transmission is occurring here. Even so, schools are staying closed an extra week after spring break, Providence Hospital has restricted visitors and won't let their staff work after traveling for 14 days, Anchorage is trying to protect the homeless population by converting an arena for temporary housing, and has just done the restaurant/bar closures last night. I live in a very conservative borough which has announced that they don't have the power to mandate closures. Alaska is a pretty conservative state. This doesn't feel like panic or politics. It is more like we got a lot of warning before we were affected and government and private leaders are trying to take advantage of that to try to institute some best practices.

    I'd rather be in Alaska than here, that's for sure.

    Disney's daughter, when learning that one of the Disney parks did a big closing parade/party, said something like, "You've got to be fucking kidding."

    The state just opened a testing tent today about a half mile down the road on ETSU property. They want only those with symptoms tested right now, I think. Will check on that tomorrow. The reason there are so few American cases is simply that there hasn't been anyone tested. Ohio leaders think they're looking at 100,000 infected in Ohio when the testing gets underway.

  4. #44
    Regarding Dr Drew-

    A big part of rightwing propaganda lately is the incredible out of control homeless population in liberal California. I hear it fairly often. If thats what he has been going on about lately, that jives with my impression of Dr Drews video. All he effectively did for the first half of the clip was "Don't listen to the media, they are causing the panic". He never said what falsehoods they were spreading. Seemed weird AF to me, as if his new cash spot was pandering to a certain demographic.

    Going a bit further he is pandering to the mindset setup by Trump. He's smart but a snake. (Which oddly jives with my impression of him and his exploitive show where he got the most pathetic old washed up drug addicts on TV as a freak show.) That stuff is good for society but lol. More honorable making ones off machines or any AP stuff and thats not saying much IMO.

    Anyway, thats how I see it. Yall don't be too mean, just stating my honest opinion without the angryness.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Do you think we can do this everytime the Chinese breakout with a virus? Sell the economy out? Put millions out of work? Throw the country into a recession maybe even a depression? This could go on until May or June. And when it's all over with it will probably go down is history as a moderate flu season.
    Mickey, you've probably noticed that very few media outlets make a direct comparison of the non-Covid19 flu to that of the Coronovirus. As Ron pointed out in a different thread, 20000-40000 people die of influenza each year in the U.S. . Put that against the 100 or so covid deaths observed so far. Why won't the main stream media continuously update the number of influenza deaths each few minutes like they do with the Coronovirus and then compare the two figures?
    How can you compare the 2 figures? Influenza is endemic and has been going on forever. CV19 is just ramping up and has devastated other countries. Are you suggesting that they should compare direct numbers to be fair and put Corona in perspective?

    At minimum to even make a comparison, we need to know how many false tests for the flu vs cv19.

    Twisting numbers intentionally is bad enough but using numbers that are in no way comparable is just as bad. IMO.

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Do you think we can do this everytime the Chinese breakout with a virus? Sell the economy out? Put millions out of work? Throw the country into a recession maybe even a depression? This could go on until May or June. And when it's all over with it will probably go down is history as a moderate flu season.
    Mickey, you've probably noticed that very few media outlets make a direct comparison of the non-Covid19 flu to that of the Coronovirus. As Ron pointed out in a different thread, 20000-40000 people die of influenza each year in the U.S. . Put that against the 100 or so covid deaths observed so far. Why won't the main stream media continuously update the number of influenza deaths each few minutes like they do with the Coronovirus and then compare the two figures?
    How can you compare the 2 figures? Influenza is endemic and has been going on forever. CV19 is just ramping up and has devastated other countries. Are you suggesting that they should compare direct numbers to be fair and put Corona in perspective?

    At minimum to even make a comparison, we need to know how many false tests for the flu vs cv19.

    Twisting numbers intentionally is bad enough but using numbers that are in no way comparable is just as bad. IMO.
    Take a time point t0 and then start a tally of deaths for each from point t0. Next, take the tally for each from t0 to now and divide it by the population to get the per capita rate for each. And then finally compare the two rates against one another. As an aside, thus far, Covid19 seems much less devastating to kids than influenza.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Regarding Dr Drew-

    A big part of rightwing propaganda lately is the incredible out of control homeless population in liberal California. I hear it fairly often. If thats what he has been going on about lately, that jives with my impression of Dr Drews video. All he effectively did for the first half of the clip was "Don't listen to the media, they are causing the panic". He never said what falsehoods they were spreading. Seemed weird AF to me, as if his new cash spot was pandering to a certain demographic.

    Going a bit further he is pandering to the mindset setup by Trump. He's smart but a snake. (Which oddly jives with my impression of him and his exploitive show where he got the most pathetic old washed up drug addicts on TV as a freak show.) That stuff is good for society but lol. More honorable making ones off machines or any AP stuff and thats not saying much IMO.

    Anyway, thats how I see it. Yall don't be too mean, just stating my honest opinion without the angryness.
    If Dr Drew’s opinion backed the liberal narrative they would be praising his reality show as groundbreaking. The move is always to discredit anyone that goes against liberal speech. AIQ, everyone knows what Dr. Drew is talking about when he says don’t listen to the media.....maybe except you. We all know the media is going with “the sky is falling.”
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Regarding Dr Drew-

    A big part of rightwing propaganda lately is the incredible out of control homeless population in liberal California. I hear it fairly often. If thats what he has been going on about lately, that jives with my impression of Dr Drews video. All he effectively did for the first half of the clip was "Don't listen to the media, they are causing the panic". He never said what falsehoods they were spreading. Seemed weird AF to me, as if his new cash spot was pandering to a certain demographic.

    Going a bit further he is pandering to the mindset setup by Trump. He's smart but a snake. (Which oddly jives with my impression of him and his exploitive show where he got the most pathetic old washed up drug addicts on TV as a freak show.) That stuff is good for society but lol. More honorable making ones off machines or any AP stuff and thats not saying much IMO.

    Anyway, thats how I see it. Yall don't be too mean, just stating my honest opinion without the angryness.
    If Dr Drew’s opinion backed the liberal narrative they would be praising his reality show as groundbreaking. The move is always to discredit anyone that goes against liberal speech. AIQ, everyone knows what Dr. Drew is talking about when he says don’t listen to the media.....maybe except you. We all know the media is going with “the sky is falling.”
    No Mickey. He is a psychologist with a TV show. He wouldn't be seen as an expert on anything but addiction. Therefore, respectable media should NOT have him as an expert.

    The fact that you think a pop-psychologist is like some big expert to hold up is the issue. That is because he agrees with your views. It has nothing to do with he doesn't agree with mine - I just know who he is and have no reason to think he knows anything more than some actual expert.

    Honestly, the irony of this is that by education I'm just as much or more of a scientist than Dr. Drew.

    What is the media saying that is causing the panic and such that is not true? Sure some politicization. (aka holding government officials accountable - which I am 100% for even though I'm the "liberal") That isn't causing the panic.

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post

    Mickey, you've probably noticed that very few media outlets make a direct comparison of the non-Covid19 flu to that of the Coronovirus. As Ron pointed out in a different thread, 20000-40000 people die of influenza each year in the U.S. . Put that against the 100 or so covid deaths observed so far. Why won't the main stream media continuously update the number of influenza deaths each few minutes like they do with the Coronovirus and then compare the two figures?
    How can you compare the 2 figures? Influenza is endemic and has been going on forever. CV19 is just ramping up and has devastated other countries. Are you suggesting that they should compare direct numbers to be fair and put Corona in perspective?

    At minimum to even make a comparison, we need to know how many false tests for the flu vs cv19.

    Twisting numbers intentionally is bad enough but using numbers that are in no way comparable is just as bad. IMO.
    Take a time point t0 and then start a tally of deaths for each from point t0. Next, take the tally for each from t0 to now and divide it by the population to get the per capita rate for each. And then finally compare the two rates against one another. As an aside, thus far, Covid19 seems much less devastating to kids than influenza.
    So you have no interest in trying to see the rate of increase in the 2? You'd rather just stick with apples to oranges that grossly mislead over the situation?

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Regarding Dr Drew-

    A big part of rightwing propaganda lately is the incredible out of control homeless population in liberal California. I hear it fairly often. If thats what he has been going on about lately, that jives with my impression of Dr Drews video. All he effectively did for the first half of the clip was "Don't listen to the media, they are causing the panic". He never said what falsehoods they were spreading. Seemed weird AF to me, as if his new cash spot was pandering to a certain demographic.

    Going a bit further he is pandering to the mindset setup by Trump. He's smart but a snake. (Which oddly jives with my impression of him and his exploitive show where he got the most pathetic old washed up drug addicts on TV as a freak show.) That stuff is good for society but lol. More honorable making ones off machines or any AP stuff and thats not saying much IMO.

    Anyway, thats how I see it. Yall don't be too mean, just stating my honest opinion without the angryness.
    If Dr Drew’s opinion backed the liberal narrative they would be praising his reality show as groundbreaking. The move is always to discredit anyone that goes against liberal speech. AIQ, everyone knows what Dr. Drew is talking about when he says don’t listen to the media.....maybe except you. We all know the media is going with “the sky is falling.”
    No Mickey. He is a psychologist with a TV show. He wouldn't be seen as an expert on anything but addiction. Therefore, respectable media should NOT have him as an expert.

    The fact that you think a pop-psychologist is like some big expert to hold up is the issue. That is because he agrees with your views. It has nothing to do with he doesn't agree with mine - I just know who he is and have no reason to think he knows anything more than some actual expert.

    Honestly, the irony of this is that by education I'm just as much or more of a scientist than Dr. Drew.

    What is the media saying that is causing the panic and such that is not true? Sure some politicization. (aka holding government officials accountable - which I am 100% for even though I'm the "liberal") That isn't causing the panic.

    Account makes good points.

    Dr. Drew is no more an expert on coronavirus than half a dozen people I personally know. My girlfriend's daughter is a molecular biologist with a doctorate working at UCSD, whose hospital is where many of the original victims were checked. She's certainly more qualified than Dr. Drew. I have a friend who's a notch below her in terms of virus knowledge. Like Dr. Drew, he's an addiction specialist. Unlike Dr. Drew, he has large grants. Also unlike Dr. Drew, he's doing the hands-on research. He would never consider himself an "expert" on viruses.

    For those who do not spend much time hanging out in academia, an expert in my mind is someone who (1) has recently published peer reviewed papers in the field in question, (2) actively works in the field in question, and/or (3) teaches at a university level in the field in question (not as an adjunct) while doing (1) or (2) also. A "professional" in a field is usually not an "expert." So when professionals such as Dr. Drew or Sonjay Gupta (a neurosurgeon on CNN) give advice, you have to trust that they are assembling and synthesizing information from actual infectious experts. They themselves would not be considered expert in infectious diseases, although they have general knowledge far exceeding ours as laymen.

    Dr. Anthony Fauci would be considered an expert's expert. He's been at NIH forever. He's seen everything. If you're going to listen to anyone, listen to him. If Dr. Drew quotes him, great. if Sonjay Gupta quotes him, great. And finally, to be fair, Gupta as a neurosurgeon should, one would suspect, know considerably more about infectious diseases than Dr. Drew.
    Last edited by redietz; 03-18-2020 at 08:59 AM.

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Dr. Anthony Fauci would be considered an expert's expert. He's been at NIH forever. He's seen everything. If you're going to listen to anyone, listen to him. If Dr. Drew quotes him, great. if Sonjay Gupta quotes him, great.
    To be fair, Dr Drew kept repeating to only listen to Anthony Fauci. Which is good safe advice, but the media blaming was very strange.

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    How can you compare the 2 figures? Influenza is endemic and has been going on forever. CV19 is just ramping up and has devastated other countries. Are you suggesting that they should compare direct numbers to be fair and put Corona in perspective?

    At minimum to even make a comparison, we need to know how many false tests for the flu vs cv19.

    Twisting numbers intentionally is bad enough but using numbers that are in no way comparable is just as bad. IMO.
    Take a time point t0 and then start a tally of deaths for each from point t0. Next, take the tally for each from t0 to now and divide it by the population to get the per capita rate for each. And then finally compare the two rates against one another. As an aside, thus far, Covid19 seems much less devastating to kids than influenza.
    So you have no interest in trying to see the rate of increase in the 2? You'd rather just stick with apples to oranges that grossly mislead over the situation?
    As you continually update the two tallies with new rates, this will be captured by the cv19 bar increasing until it is at a greater height than the other bar (if that is what future data indicates). You can compare snapshots of the side by side comparisons calculated as well.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post

    Take a time point t0 and then start a tally of deaths for each from point t0. Next, take the tally for each from t0 to now and divide it by the population to get the per capita rate for each. And then finally compare the two rates against one another. As an aside, thus far, Covid19 seems much less devastating to kids than influenza.
    So you have no interest in trying to see the rate of increase in the 2? You'd rather just stick with apples to oranges that grossly mislead over the situation?
    As you continually update the two tallies with new rates, this will be captured by the cv19 bar increasing until it is at a greater height than the other bar (if that is what future data indicates). You can compare snapshots of the side by side comparisons calculated as well.
    Fair enough but this thing is far more lethal the the standard flu. So why are we comparing them? I mean, why aren't we seeing the death rates compared to the average seasonal flu?

    Everyone wants their own narratives. These numbers are so spotty no one can make comparisons even if they try.

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    So you have no interest in trying to see the rate of increase in the 2? You'd rather just stick with apples to oranges that grossly mislead over the situation?
    As you continually update the two tallies with new rates, this will be captured by the cv19 bar increasing until it is at a greater height than the other bar (if that is what future data indicates). You can compare snapshots of the side by side comparisons calculated as well.
    Fair enough but this thing is far more lethal the the standard flu. So why are we comparing them? I mean, why aren't we seeing the death rates compared to the average seasonal flu?

    Everyone wants their own narratives. These numbers are so spotty no one can make comparisons even if they try.

    Give it 90 days. The differences will be crystal clear.

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by House of Orange View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that casinos in LV will be closing their doors in about a week. The question is whether they shutter before March 17 or not.
    Such a shame we have no way of betting against that foolishness.
    Unlike Obama, I can admit I was wrong. Now, how much human misery will ensue unless workers and businesses get financial protection?

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by House of Orange View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by House of Orange View Post

    Such a shame we have no way of betting against that foolishness.
    Unlike Obama, I can admit I was wrong. Now, how much human misery will ensue unless workers and businesses get financial protection?
    That first line is such an odd comment, all things considered. As if the current president is a paragon of admitting wrongness. I'm not sure there are even any examples. Can anybody help me out? Has President Trump publicly admitted he was wrong on several occasions? Did I miss them? Has he ever given himself less than, say, a 9 out of 10 on anything?

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Dr. Anthony Fauci would be considered an expert's expert. He's been at NIH forever. He's seen everything. If you're going to listen to anyone, listen to him. If Dr. Drew quotes him, great. if Sonjay Gupta quotes him, great.
    To be fair, Dr Drew kept repeating to only listen to Anthony Fauci. Which is good safe advice, but the media blaming was very strange.
    C'mon, guys. The media blaming by Dr. Drew was strange? Hey, how strange is this? EU officials have accused the Russians of covertly sowing coronavirus panic through the media in an attempt to subvert the EU healthcare systems. Make Europeans not believe in them. Do you think the rooskies might be doing it here too? That''s just for starters. Google around. You'll see plenty of experts have the same opinion as Dr. Drew.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Dr. Anthony Fauci would be considered an expert's expert. He's been at NIH forever. He's seen everything. If you're going to listen to anyone, listen to him. If Dr. Drew quotes him, great. if Sonjay Gupta quotes him, great.
    To be fair, Dr Drew kept repeating to only listen to Anthony Fauci. Which is good safe advice, but the media blaming was very strange.
    C'mon, guys. The media blaming by Dr. Drew was strange? Hey, how strange is this? EU officials have accused the Russians of covertly sowing coronavirus panic through the media in an attempt to subvert the EU healthcare systems. Make Europeans not believe in them. Do you think the rooskies might be doing it here too? That''s just for starters. Google around. You'll see plenty of experts have the same opinion as Dr. Drew.
    Russians use SOCIAL media. We're talking about media as in "the press". Not random barely read websites. Russians use RT and zerohedge and I'm sure others but thats far from the press.


    This is a perfect example of why Dr Drew's approach works at becoming relevant again. I ask critical question "what is the media saying" and you just want to believe somehow it is the evil media so you don't even care what they're saying. Dr Drew reinforces what you wish to believe and thats it. And you walk away from whatever he says trusting this guy. His goal has worked.

    I'm still wondering what the media is saying to cause the panics. The panic is just a natural response. Not a useful one, but I don't think anyone has told the population things to have caused pani. People are just scared. It isn't the media's fault for telling them the truth and no media has been suggesting anything worse than reality from all that I've seen. I don't think this Fausti guy's suggestions are much if any different from those from media outlets.

  19. #59
    I get particular amusement at the frequency in which redietz uses the "my former wife's second cousin" or "the boyfriend of my associate's daughter" etc. cards who are either "leading experts in their field" or "university professors with PhD's" who bestow such formidable knowledge surrounding nearly every situation, upon him.

    He's a one-in-a-million find.....

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I get particular amusement at the frequency in which redietz uses the "my former wife's second cousin" or "the boyfriend of my associate's daughter" etc. cards who are either "leading experts in their field" or "university professors with PhD's" who bestow such formidable knowledge surrounding nearly every situation, upon him.

    He's a one-in-a-million find.....

    LOL. Sad but true, Rob. Sad but true.

    My late wife had a double doctorate -- anthropology and demography. Archaeology is a subfield of anthropology, so she was an archeologist. Her dissertation was on a Native American population analysis at time of contact with Westerners, which meant widespread overwhelming infectious disease. So I don't know much, but I know the models are out there to predict what's coming.


    "If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room."
    Old Wise Jungle Saying
    Last edited by redietz; 03-18-2020 at 05:18 PM.

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