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[Spock]

You guys are funny. Anything can happen!

I read about a guy named Rusty Griswold who won FOUR cars in just a few days in Vegas playing the slots!

[coach belly]

Coach, I admire your perseverance, but whatever you say, whatever I post, they are going to compare what I claim with their own losing experience or losing theory and say that since it was or should be this way for them, it must be for all.

I recall similar sentiments expressed years ago on this very forum...

But realistically, folks here are mainly interested in the theoretical, and cannot deal with something like this that's real.

[mickeycrimm]

Coach, I admire your perseverance, but whatever you say, whatever I post, they are going to compare what I claim with their own losing experience or losing theory and say that since it was or should be this way for them, it must be for all.

They are all spouting theory. Not one of them has ever played high stakes Baccarat. I mean Mickey Crimm's casino host story was about missing out on a free meal, a single free meal. That's the level of play these guys are at. My Allegory of the Cave is as apposite as can be. How can you show reality to those who have spent their whole lives in caves looking at shadows on the walls? Ask them how many table limit table game bets they have booked let alone won in their lives.

I mean you're talking about a guy who tosses in "Martingale" as if that is a good way to win, or even ever play, that shows about all these guys know about table game play evidently. It's like they're looking at what I'm doing through thick woolly hoods that barely allow the light through, they are so mystified.

There is nothing wrong with low end machine play, but they should stay in their lanes and not try to comprehend the real thing at the high limit tables unless they have personal long standing experience with it, which not one of them apparently does.

Dude, what's up with your reading comprehension. I didn't lose the meal comp just drawings and special events but fuck the meals. I take them as a by product only. It's the hourly rate. I got backed off probably because I hit a royal on the 2nd day and still blew the host off. He figured me for an advantage player. I know a lot more about the history of the Pepp and AP's besides this one story. I wasn't barred from playing but the play went from worth about $60 an hour, a pretty good hourly rate in 2002, to about $35 an hour. I had other plays worth more than that so left.

You are in the realm of misrepresenting what people say now. What's that all about?

Have I played baccarat? You are absolutely right, I haven't played it. That's because I studied it long enough to know I can't get an edge at it. I only play games where I have a mathematical advantage. I have a long history, 25 years, of playing positive expectation games. I've never had a losing year. When it comes to overall gambling knowledge, dude you don't have a clue. So knock off the "these guys are clueless" routine. You're the one that don't have a clue.

[MDawg]

You do what you do, and I wouldn't impose to claim it can't be done - because I don't do it, and haven't done it.

You know nothing about what I do, have never done anything like it, and yet you come in talking about it - at length. That's what is risible, and is the difference between us.

[mickeycrimm]

Sorry, but you haven't proven anything.

Is there any documentation that MDawg could provide to verify his reported results for 2019 & 2020?

No. You would literally have to stand there and watch him play every hand to know where he is at.

[coach belly]

Sorry, but you haven't proven anything.

Is there any documentation that MDawg could provide to verify his reported results for 2019 & 2020?

No.

And the same standard applies to you as well...right?

I've never had a losing year.

[mickeycrimm]

No.

And the same standard applies to you as well...right?

I've never had a losing year.

Yes, the same standard applies to me. But I don't care if I'm believed or not. That's not up to me. It's up to the reader to believe it or not. As KJ says, it's not hard to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking.

Whether you believe it or not I have had good success playing with the advantage. Why would I want to switch to games where I don't have the advantage? You just dion't see people last as full time gamblers playing negative expectation games. I think Rob might be an exception. With his system you are going to hit some big jackpots and they might put you over the top. But I still don't trust it.

[mickeycrimm]

No.

And the same standard applies to you as well...right?

I've never had a losing year.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrV...dVdnKO.oq0QOs-

[coach belly]

Whether you believe it or not I have had good success playing with the advantage. Why would I want to switch to games where I don't have the advantage?

I don't understand where you're going with this.

Who suggested that you switch games?

If you don't care whether or not your are to be believed, then why would you even make a comment like this...

If your total winnings for 2019 was what you showed on those win/loss statements then you made about 30k less than I did last year. Made it all gambling. In 25 years I’ve never had a losing year.

The guy posts his W/L statements, and your reaction is to puff your chest out and claim you won more?

Why bother, unless you're gonna show your statements?

This is like watching somebody bench press 250, and you start chirping that you can bench 280, but you won't and you don't care if anybody believes you.

Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

[mickeycrimm]

Whether you believe it or not I have had good success playing with the advantage. Why would I want to switch to games where I don't have the advantage?

I don't understand where you're going with this.

Who suggested that you switch games?

If you don't care whether or not your are to be believed, then why would you even make a comment like this...

If your total winnings for 2019 was what you showed on those win/loss statements then you made about 30k less than I did last year. Made it all gambling. In 25 years I’ve never had a losing year.

The guy posts his W/L statements, and your reaction is to puff your chest out and claim you won more?

Why bother, unless you're gonna show your statements?

This is like watching somebody bench press 250, and you start chirping that you can bench 280, but you won't and you don't care if anybody believes you.

Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

Oh, no. I'm hanging right around. People don't get believed all the time. Does that mean they shouldn't say anything. Fuck that bullshit.

1.. How do I know they are HIS win/loss statements? You get my drift compadre. You are very big on not believing alot of what you read on this forum but here you are easily taking MDawg for his word.

2. My point about how much I made was in response to MDawg belittling myself and members of this forum as low level gamblers without a clue.

Coach, if you spent as much time and energy on how to find and exploit advantages in the casinos as you do studying bullshit negative expectation games you would be worth a lot more than you are today.

[mickeycrimm]

MDawg I seen that article you posted on WoV. Cheung yin Sun is an edge sorter. There is nothing intuitive about what she does. Are you implying you are an edge sorter? If you were I would think they would be onto you now. But funny you posted that up. She's was plastered all over WoV a long time ago.

[MDawg]

Past two years I've always won.

In the past, prior to my decade or so hiatus, I won most of the time.

As for the how, I have discussed that some, but not entirely, and that's not the point of all this. For the most part, I'm just making truthful trip reports, although I do get excited and inject some other trip report related truths into my posts as well.

[BoSox]

Past two years I've always won.

In the past, prior to my decade or so hiatus, I won most of the time.

[/B]As for the how, I have discussed that some, but not entirely, and that's not the point of all this.[/B]

MDawg, that very well may not be important to you, or the point that you are trying to make but when many people believe only the portion that you do talk about without realizing there is more to the story is a real disservice on your part to the gaming community. Just by clarifying that point alone (which should have been done a long time ago) would go a long way in settling some differences. You see, you may dismiss most differences in some others as just jealousy where that would not be the case from some veteran players who have been around, who have plenty of their own success stories, as well as a few real setbacks.

[coach belly]

if you spent as much time and energy on how to find and exploit advantages in the casinos as you do studying bullshit negative expectation games you would be worth a lot more than you are today.

You never exploited any casinos, the casinos kept the same hold on the machines that you played, whether you played them or not.

Some random player would have eventually spun off any of your plays, because that's what the math dictates...right?

So you took money from the other players, not from the casinos. You swiped grandma's entertainment money while she was in the bathroom.

No wonder you're so insecure.

[coach belly]

when many people believe only the portion that you do talk about without realizing there is more to the story is a real disservice to the gaming community.

The gaming community? Here?

You are delusional...get a grip.

[BoSox]

coach belly wrote:

"So you took money from the other players, not from the casinos. You swiped grandma's entertainment money while she was in the bathroom."

Sadly that is true, and how the world survives. Think of it as one animal hunting another on the Serengeti.

[BoSox]

when many people believe only the portion that you do talk about without realizing there is more to the story is a real disservice to the gaming community.

The gaming community? Here?

You are delusional...get a grip.

MDawg, posts on multiable boards.

[mickeycrimm]

coach belly wrote:

"So you took money from the other players, not from the casinos. You swiped grandma's entertainment money while she was in the bathroom."

Sadly that is true, and how the world survives. Think of it as one animal hunting another on the Serengeti.

I was actually putting a dent in the casinos overall win.

[coach belly]

I was actually putting a dent in the casinos overall win.

Did you change the overall hold for any of the machines you played?

Did you play +EV situations that another player could not have played, had you not shown up?

[coach belly]

MDawg, posts on multiable boards.

Crocodile tears.

MDawg hasn't encouraged anyone else to play as he does, has anyone in expressed their intention to play that way?

The only members that encourage readers to emulate MDawg are MDawg's detractors.

If you believe and are satisfied with MDawg's meaningless short term result, try it with your own money.

I don't recall you chiding any of them for doing a disservice to the gaming community.