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  1. #561
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    Originally Posted by LMR View Post
    That was almost a KJ psycho killer rant and rave, when Coach and KJ wanted to go at it, a week or two after KJ's heart surgery. Bozo bar has a way to go.
    Yea KJ had a heart surgery.

    And KJ “died”
    And KJ had Coronavirus
    And KJ had his husband die.

    One sure Vegas bet is you can’t believe anything that comes out of KJ’s mouth, but you sure can bet on what goes in it.
    Yeah...at one point even the Wizard was dead to KJ...
    Keep your friends close, keep your drinks closer...

  2. #562
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Yea KJ had a heart surgery.

    And KJ “died”
    And KJ had Coronavirus
    And KJ had his husband die.

    One sure Vegas bet is you can’t believe anything that comes out of KJ’s mouth, but you sure can bet on what goes in it.
    Your obsession with me and homosexuality in general is growing a little creepy Boz. (where is the Boz is gross emoji).

    The KJ died thing was an internet thing in an attempt to protect myself after a robbery that went bad and I regret it.

    The other 3, I can very easily prove and am willing to do so for the right money. My annual income is going to be significantly down this year, so this will be an easy way for me to replace some income.

    $50,000. You pick which one of the remaining 3 claims that you don't believe. Mike Shackleford holds the money in advance and acts as the judge. I will show him proof. I won't show you because you have proven yourself to be mentally unstable and I don't want you having any of my personal information.

    Those are the terms. Put up or shut up. And I want this to happen almost immediately. I don't want to drag it out over weeks or months, because I don't want to spend that much time on this cesspool of a forum. You have suggested Shackleford before very recently, saying that you still trust him, so that shouldn't be a problem, but I would accept Axelwolf or MaxPen as well or even all three jointly.

    Balls in your court Boz. But I want an answer and want this to happen quickly. I am not going to play your troll games for weeks or months.

  3. #563
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Yea KJ had a heart surgery.

    And KJ “died”
    And KJ had Coronavirus
    And KJ had his husband die.

    One sure Vegas bet is you can’t believe anything that comes out of KJ’s mouth, but you sure can bet on what goes in it.
    Your obsession with me and homosexuality in general is growing a little creepy Boz. (where is the Boz is gross emoji).

    The KJ died thing was an internet thing in an attempt to protect myself after a robbery that went bad and I regret it.

    The other 3, I can very easily prove and am willing to do so for the right money. My annual income is going to be significantly down this year, so this will be an easy way for me to replace some income.

    $50,000. You pick which one of the remaining 3 claims that you don't believe. Mike Shackleford holds the money in advance and acts as the judge. I will show him proof. I won't show you because you have proven yourself to be mentally unstable and I don't want you having any of my personal information.

    Those are the terms. Put up or shut up. And I want this to happen almost immediately. I don't want to drag it out over weeks or months, because I don't want to spend that much time on this cesspool of a forum. You have suggested Shackleford before very recently, saying that you still trust him, so that shouldn't be a problem, but I would accept Axelwolf or MaxPen as well or even all three jointly.

    Balls in your court Boz. But I want an answer and want this to happen quickly. I am not going to play your troll games for weeks or months.
    First off, you can want anything to happen, but no one has to respond. But in your case I will, even if you offered me your balls I think.

    Sorry my friend, no bet. It’s my belief and I’ll stick by it. Just like your belief on Trump not running you refused to bet on when offered.

    Now go back to your dreamland and continue to get made a fool of by “Cleo”.

  4. #564
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Yea KJ had a heart surgery.

    And KJ “died”
    And KJ had Coronavirus
    And KJ had his husband die.

    One sure Vegas bet is you can’t believe anything that comes out of KJ’s mouth, but you sure can bet on what goes in it.
    Your obsession with me and homosexuality in general is growing a little creepy Boz. (where is the Boz is gross emoji).

    The KJ died thing was an internet thing in an attempt to protect myself after a robbery that went bad and I regret it.

    The other 3, I can very easily prove and am willing to do so for the right money. My annual income is going to be significantly down this year, so this will be an easy way for me to replace some income.

    $50,000. You pick which one of the remaining 3 claims that you don't believe. Mike Shackleford holds the money in advance and acts as the judge. I will show him proof. I won't show you because you have proven yourself to be mentally unstable and I don't want you having any of my personal information.

    Those are the terms. Put up or shut up. And I want this to happen almost immediately. I don't want to drag it out over weeks or months, because I don't want to spend that much time on this cesspool of a forum. You have suggested Shackleford before very recently, saying that you still trust him, so that shouldn't be a problem, but I would accept Axelwolf or MaxPen as well or even all three jointly.

    Balls in your court Boz. But I want an answer and want this to happen quickly. I am not going to play your troll games for weeks or months.
    First off, you can want anything to happen, but no one has to respond. But in your case I will, even if you offered me your balls I think.

    Sorry my friend, no bet. It’s my belief and I’ll stick by it. Just like your belief on Trump not running you refused to bet on when offered.

    Now go back to your dreamland and continue to get made a fool of by “Cleo”.
    Proving what a liar you are, posting things you know are a false. And now proving you are a pussy too. I don't think there is anyone surprised.

  5. #565
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Your obsession with me and homosexuality in general is growing a little creepy Boz. (where is the Boz is gross emoji).

    The KJ died thing was an internet thing in an attempt to protect myself after a robbery that went bad and I regret it.

    The other 3, I can very easily prove and am willing to do so for the right money. My annual income is going to be significantly down this year, so this will be an easy way for me to replace some income.

    $50,000. You pick which one of the remaining 3 claims that you don't believe. Mike Shackleford holds the money in advance and acts as the judge. I will show him proof. I won't show you because you have proven yourself to be mentally unstable and I don't want you having any of my personal information.

    Those are the terms. Put up or shut up. And I want this to happen almost immediately. I don't want to drag it out over weeks or months, because I don't want to spend that much time on this cesspool of a forum. You have suggested Shackleford before very recently, saying that you still trust him, so that shouldn't be a problem, but I would accept Axelwolf or MaxPen as well or even all three jointly.

    Balls in your court Boz. But I want an answer and want this to happen quickly. I am not going to play your troll games for weeks or months.
    First off, you can want anything to happen, but no one has to respond. But in your case I will, even if you offered me your balls I think.

    Sorry my friend, no bet. It’s my belief and I’ll stick by it. Just like your belief on Trump not running you refused to bet on when offered.

    Now go back to your dreamland and continue to get made a fool of by “Cleo”.
    Proving what a liar you are, posting things you know are a false. And now proving you are a pussy too. I don't think there is anyone surprised.
    Still waiting for your claim I’m a Welsh (wasn’t that determined to be a racist term at WoV?).

    How the fuck do I know if they are false or not. You have a proven history of lying, including faking your own death. It’s hard to believe anything you claim because you are a DRAMA QUEEN, and everyone knows that.

    I’m just not willing to bet on you being truthful for a change. So that makes me a pussy? That’s makes perfect sense on why you don’t like me then!

    Now go back to where you belong, with Tasha’s new sock Moon, Miss Cleo and the Little Man.

  6. #566
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Still waiting for your claim I’m a Welsh (wasn’t that determined to be a racist term at WoV?).

    How the fuck do I know if they are false or not. You have a proven history of lying, including faking your own death. It’s hard to believe anything you claim because you are a DRAMA QUEEN, and everyone knows that.

    I’m just not willing to bet on you being truthful for a change. So that makes me a pussy? That’s makes perfect sense on why you don’t like me then!

    Now go back to where you belong, with Tasha’s new sock Moon, Miss Cleo and the Little Man.
    The claim that you welched on a bet is not my claim. That is someone on another forum who insists that. Doesn't involve me and I don't care, but I am not surprised.

    I have lied about 1 thing on forums. 10 years ago, when I faked my "death" after being robbed. I though it would protect me from future robberies. It was a poor decision and backfired when people from the forum were upset and came to my building. I regret that but never ran from it. I have always taken full responsibility.

    You saying the things you say about me is NOT opinion. They are lies and you know they are not true. And you just proved that by being this forums biggest pussy, refusing to back up the lies you are stating with money.

    So how about I say it is my belief that you raped and molested your grandchildren many, many times. Is that ok?

    Boz, time for you to grow up and start acting like a reasonable man and not some internet troll retard.

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    Making relevant claims without proof of any sort and degree is a fucking outright lie.

  8. #568
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Still waiting for your claim I’m a Welsh (wasn’t that determined to be a racist term at WoV?).

    How the fuck do I know if they are false or not. You have a proven history of lying, including faking your own death. It’s hard to believe anything you claim because you are a DRAMA QUEEN, and everyone knows that.

    I’m just not willing to bet on you being truthful for a change. So that makes me a pussy? That’s makes perfect sense on why you don’t like me then!

    Now go back to where you belong, with Tasha’s new sock Moon, Miss Cleo and the Little Man.
    The claim that you welched on a bet is not my claim. That is someone on another forum who insists that. Doesn't involve me and I don't care, but I am not surprised.

    I have lied about 1 thing on forums. 10 years ago, when I faked my "death" after being robbed. I though it would protect me from future robberies. It was a poor decision and backfired when people from the forum were upset and came to my building. I regret that but never ran from it. I have always taken full responsibility.

    You saying the things you say about me is NOT opinion. They are lies and you know they are not true. And you just proved that by being this forums biggest pussy, refusing to back up the lies you are stating with money.

    So how about I say it is my belief that you raped and molested your grandchildren many, many times. Is that ok?

    Boz, time for you to grow up and start acting like a reasonable man and not some internet troll retard.
    Considering I don’t have Grandkids (that I know of) feel free. Hell, say anything you want about me, I’m a big boy and can take it.

    Again with the “pussy” claim. I guess that is the worst thing in the world to you considering how offensive the thought of it is to you.

    And NO, I don’t know if you had Coronavirus. Maybe you did, maybe you didn’t, but if anyone would have ran a poll on poster most likely to claim they had it first, I do believe you would have been the winner by a large margin. Do you ever wonder why that is?

    And now you have to make yourself the center of attention by saying you don’t feel safe in casinos when there is no documented chance of you getting sick again. Oh poor KJ, he can’t make a living because of the big bad virus. Your life, your choice, your drama.

    As for growing up and conforming to what you want me to be, sorry I am who I am. My life is fine and I enjoy it. And if I bother some drama queen like you and your little man child the Wizard a little bit, even better.

    And is it ok to use the word Retard now? That’s fucking great and makes my day.

  9. #569
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Hey you Piece of Shit RED. And yes, if I EVER meet you, I will beat you into the ground, or you will kick my ass. Either way, I look forward to the day. I will never change my mind you enjoy the death of others as you think it pushes your political agenda. And I understand you believe in it so much you are willing to die for it like the communist garbage you are.

    You know why? Because you don’t believe in any of it, you saw this as an opportunity to MAKE money. Like the scam handicapper you are and have always have been. You played the rest are scammers, but said you were the honest guy for years. And I semi respect you for it.

    Please explain why you won’t be in any of the SCAM contests you have pushed for years as being legit when both of us know are bullshit. What changed so you can’t be in them? They are weekly contests based on weekly odds. They have NOTHING to do with your trip to Vegas or preseason odds.

    You are using this to push your SHIT website and your liberal agenda.

    And if you want to ever meet me and go at it, I’ll be there you human piece of worthless shit.

    And yes, in 55 years, I don’t think I ever wanted to kick someone’s ass like yours. Congratulations on being the face of everything wrong with white America Robert E Dietz.

    Let’s set it up buddy and go at it.

    What changed? Eight-five to ninety percent of my volume wagering is college football, and you are looking at -- if there is a season, which is increasingly doubtful -- teams routinely sidelining 20 to 30% of their rosters because they come down with the virus. Then quarantining the rest of the team. What kind of loony tune would wager seriously on that stuff, other than the team doctors? If you bet futures, the season could be canceled at any time. Betting on this would be for addicts and team doctors, not that there's anything wrong with that, as Seinfeld would say.

    Already, large chunks of Iowa State, Alabama, Auburn, Oklahoma, LSU, and Clemson have come down with the virus. So you're looking at weeks of quarantine and not practicing for big chunks of the rosters. If the kids suffer any significant effects from having the virus (like lung capacity issues), or have to take a month off training and practicing, the players will not be anything like what they were last season.

    I'm hoping they put off the college season until January. That would make some sense.

    Boz is talking out his ass, and he probably knows it. I'm only in spread contests that include both college and NFL. I'm never in the SuperBook Contest, for example. When there were college-only contests in LV, like Bally's had 20 years ago, I was in them. I'm routinely in offshore NFL no spread contests. I'd still be in those. But I'm not going to enter spread contests. People follow my plays. I can't have people betting games because I take games when nobody knows how much of a roster is sidelined every blessed week for potentially every league and team.

    I actually care about the people who follow my plays. And I care about my lifetime record. I'm not going to bet garbage just for the sake of betting.
    Yea, I’m talking out my ass. Just like you have for years on these forums pushing your scam handicapping service EVERY chance you get. You play it sly but make no mistake, your goal is to sell your picks to anyone willing to fall for your scam.

    And you are using this event to promote your website that fronts for your service. Otherwise you would have spent the $20 it takes to create a new site to push your ghoulish death fantasy along with your liberal agenda.

    You got caught by the Wizard, but nice try.

    As Singer said years ago, you truly are a strange fuck RED.

    Right, Boz. of course, after thousands of posts on multiple forums going back decades, if you had one single example of me "selling picks" to a forum member one would think you would post it, or reference it. In fact, if you had one single example of me ATTEMPTING to "sell picks" on any forum whatsoever, or via email, or via phone call, or via text, you would post it or reference it.

    Unfortunately for the anonymous "The Boz," he has come across zero examples. He certainly seems motivated to do so. But zero examples. His acquaintance, the inimitable paragon of proof, Rob Singer, may be able to help him out. LOL.

    Keep plugging. That 5K reward for proof of me soliciting picks via forum, PM, or text can be yours. All you have to do is simply find an example. Easy money.

    And Boz, talk about you indulging in lies and fantasies. I mean, c'mon. LOL. You're being a true horse's ass. You're proclaiming that I'm using my blog site to promote my sports handicapping? What in God's name is wrong with you mentally? Have you seen the demographic of American sports bettors? My blog is alienating at least 75% of any people who would have wanted to partner with me. Maybe more -- it may be alienating 90%. That's obvious. I mean, it's completely asinine that I would tie my blog entries to Integrity Sports to "sell picks." May as well just make enemies and retire.

    LOL. What is it you don't get? Why did I do the blog? Because it was the right thing to do, and because it was absolutely correct every step of the way. It gave the public accurate information and let them know what was going to happen. And all of it did happen.

    As opposed to whatever you and mickey have been pushing, which has led us to lives lost and the national economic disaster we are now facing, which could have been averted with another six to eight weeks of stringent shutdowns.

    Again, knowing I was alienating AT LEAST 75% of the American betting public with my blog, and with you unable to provide one scintilla of evidence of me "selling picks" via any forum, people can figure out who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't.

    I'm doing this as a favor to you. I know you are having Trumpism religious issues, but do you grasp how completely idiotic it is to claim I'm using my blog to promote my handicapping? For God's sake, man, think things through before going on these mental benders. I can't believe nobody stepped up and pointed out how completely moronic it would be to tie the blog to my sports handicapping from a money-making standpoint. Jesus. I'm writing the opposite of what someone would write to make money from sports bettors. Get a grip, man.

    None of it is about money. Is that what bothers you most?
    Last edited by redietz; 07-04-2020 at 10:41 AM.

  10. #570
    These are the guys you associate with. Headlined by the guy Marc Lawrence who you tried to tell me is a “legitimate” handicapper in world full of scam artists. You tried the old “They are crooks, but I’m legitimate” scam by telling me Marc is not like the rest.

    Note he is the guy who runs the so called Wiseguys contest you always use to try and legitimize your service.

    Here are some links to people he promotes, including Jim Feist who we both know was one of the most crooked scamdicappers of all time.

    https://www.picksite.com/picks Note this guy is a “documented” 71-40 in his NASCAR picks over the last 3 years. Surely everyone should be paying this guy and destroying casinos.

    https://www.playbook.com/Handicapper-Report-Card/ Here is where you can see Jim Feist being listed

    And here is a link to the Wiseguys contest we have all heard about so many times, including a mention of Robert E Dietz, or Bob Dietz as he is called on there. Congratulations on the tie for 3rd finish in 2017. Of bigger note is that you can BUY the weekly picks of all the contestants in the WISEGUYS contest. So is it any wonder RED has listed this contest in almost every post regarding his credibility?

    https://www.playbook.com//Vegas-Wise-Guys/


    https://www.playbook.com//wg04.pdf


    Note that the sponsor of the contest Marc Lawrence always finished near the top. Again, coincidence or just another part of the overall business model. And of course almost all of the “contestants” sell their picks and services through links on Marc’s site.

    So you either believe this is an invitation only contest or that it is just another business model to sell picks. I’ll let you decide and do your own research using this as a start.

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...-Contest-Notes

    Also note in this link RED suggests not playing too much on his picks. Exactly how would one get these picks? By paying for the Wiseguys service as linked above.
    Last edited by The Boz; 07-04-2020 at 11:46 AM.

  11. #571
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Yea KJ had a heart surgery.

    And KJ “died”
    And KJ had Coronavirus
    And KJ had his husband die.

    One sure Vegas bet is you can’t believe anything that comes out of KJ’s mouth, but you sure can bet on what goes in it.
    Your obsession with me and homosexuality in general is growing a little creepy Boz. (where is the Boz is gross emoji).

    The KJ died thing was an internet thing in an attempt to protect myself after a robbery that went bad and I regret it.

    The other 3, I can very easily prove and am willing to do so for the right money. My annual income is going to be significantly down this year, so this will be an easy way for me to replace some income.

    $50,000. You pick which one of the remaining 3 claims that you don't believe. Mike Shackleford holds the money in advance and acts as the judge. I will show him proof. I won't show you because you have proven yourself to be mentally unstable and I don't want you having any of my personal information.

    Those are the terms. Put up or shut up. And I want this to happen almost immediately. I don't want to drag it out over weeks or months, because I don't want to spend that much time on this cesspool of a forum. You have suggested Shackleford before very recently, saying that you still trust him, so that shouldn't be a problem, but I would accept Axelwolf or MaxPen as well or even all three jointly.

    Balls in your court Boz. But I want an answer and want this to happen quickly. I am not going to play your troll games for weeks or months.
    You're not going to find anyone to take that bet. People troll, but recognize that as an insanely bad bet. I guess that some can still claim not to believe you, but I suspect that, if forced to bet, their money would align with yours.

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    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    These are the guys you associate with. Headlined by the guy Marc Lawrence who you tried to tell me is a “legitimate” handicapper in world full of scam artists. You tried the old “They are crooks, but I’m legitimate” scam by telling me Marc is not like the rest.

    Note he is the guy who runs the so called Wiseguys contest you always use to try and legitimize your service.

    Here are some links to people he promotes, including Jim Feist who we both know was one of the most crooked scamdicappers of all time.

    https://www.picksite.com/picks Note this guy is a “documented” 71-40 in his NASCAR picks over the last 3 years. Surely everyone should be paying this guy and destroying casinos.

    https://www.playbook.com/Handicapper-Report-Card/ Here is where you can see Jim Feist being listed

    And here is a link to the Wiseguys contest we have all heard about so many times, including a mention of Robert E Dietz, or Bob Dietz as he is called on there. Congratulations on the tie for 3rd finish in 2017. Of bigger note is that you can BUY the weekly picks of all the contestants in the WISEGUYS contest. So is it any wonder RED has listed this contest in almost every post regarding his credibility?

    https://www.playbook.com//Vegas-Wise-Guys/


    https://www.playbook.com//wg04.pdf


    Note that the sponsor of the contest Marc Lawrence always finished near the top. Again, coincidence or just another part of the overall business model. And of course almost all of the “contestants” sell their picks and services through links on Marc’s site.

    So you either believe this is an invitation only contest or that it is just another business model to sell picks. I’ll let you decide and do your own research using this as a start.

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...-Contest-Notes

    Also note in this link RED suggests not playing too much on his picks. Exactly how would one get these picks? By paying for the Wiseguys service as linked above.
    Now that Red isn't betting this sports season is the best time for him to show us what he's made of. I mean, maybe, it's harder to pick games now, to find games now, but, who knows. There must be some games somewhere.

    Anyway, I spent some time on a forum where one of the leaders analyzes past events, in terms of numerology. A bit of fun with numbers, in other ways. I pointed out a few things to him, along the way, about not trying to misrepresent stuff. I just read a post of Red's.

    The point about today and why I bumped this. Back on May 18th, in an entry called "Outside the Box," I made the point that instead of restricting those most vulnerable to the virus, one way to think outside the box was to evaluate the individual differences in ability to spread virus and restrict those who likely spread the most or restrict specific behaviors that lead to the most spread. I suggested banning singing in church.

    Well, today (July 3) California banned singing in church, which was probably a compromise move to enable churches to stay open.

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info...and-running/4/
    Then I googled, a bit, to find out that Germany, and California, had instances of bans on singing in church, weeks before. I take a dim view of, directly or indirectly, trying to take such credit. I would have searched out, and, then, included such links. Maybe, I am in error here, but, it seems unprofessional not to have at least checked for such links, in advance.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-singing-ban

    https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0OlfR...tream-services
    Last edited by LMR; 07-04-2020 at 01:34 PM.

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    Originally Posted by wasilla View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Yea KJ had a heart surgery.

    And KJ “died”
    And KJ had Coronavirus
    And KJ had his husband die.

    One sure Vegas bet is you can’t believe anything that comes out of KJ’s mouth, but you sure can bet on what goes in it.
    Your obsession with me and homosexuality in general is growing a little creepy Boz. (where is the Boz is gross emoji).

    The KJ died thing was an internet thing in an attempt to protect myself after a robbery that went bad and I regret it.

    The other 3, I can very easily prove and am willing to do so for the right money. My annual income is going to be significantly down this year, so this will be an easy way for me to replace some income.

    $50,000. You pick which one of the remaining 3 claims that you don't believe. Mike Shackleford holds the money in advance and acts as the judge. I will show him proof. I won't show you because you have proven yourself to be mentally unstable and I don't want you having any of my personal information.

    Those are the terms. Put up or shut up. And I want this to happen almost immediately. I don't want to drag it out over weeks or months, because I don't want to spend that much time on this cesspool of a forum. You have suggested Shackleford before very recently, saying that you still trust him, so that shouldn't be a problem, but I would accept Axelwolf or MaxPen as well or even all three jointly.

    Balls in your court Boz. But I want an answer and want this to happen quickly. I am not going to play your troll games for weeks or months.
    You're not going to find anyone to take that bet. People troll, but recognize that as an insanely bad bet. I guess that some can still claim not to believe you, but I suspect that, if forced to bet, their money would align with yours.
    There is no way to win such a bet. This is because gambling forum gamblers understand only one type of bet. A cinch bet. Anyway, would you pay to send the Wizard $50,000? To let the Wizard interpret and determine its outcome? $50,000 is worth disappearing, from these crummy forums, over. For sure, KJ is the sort and degree who could and would say anything on any gambling forum. What we don't know is how much the deceased partner was "worth". And, who else finances his blackjack nonsense. Does, supposedly, his mother still drive him, from casino to casino? Does she still have to support him, and the brother?
    Last edited by LMR; 07-04-2020 at 01:31 PM.

  14. #574
    Originally Posted by LMR View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    These are the guys you associate with. Headlined by the guy Marc Lawrence who you tried to tell me is a “legitimate” handicapper in world full of scam artists. You tried the old “They are crooks, but I’m legitimate” scam by telling me Marc is not like the rest.

    Note he is the guy who runs the so called Wiseguys contest you always use to try and legitimize your service.

    Here are some links to people he promotes, including Jim Feist who we both know was one of the most crooked scamdicappers of all time.

    https://www.picksite.com/picks Note this guy is a “documented” 71-40 in his NASCAR picks over the last 3 years. Surely everyone should be paying this guy and destroying casinos.

    https://www.playbook.com/Handicapper-Report-Card/ Here is where you can see Jim Feist being listed

    And here is a link to the Wiseguys contest we have all heard about so many times, including a mention of Robert E Dietz, or Bob Dietz as he is called on there. Congratulations on the tie for 3rd finish in 2017. Of bigger note is that you can BUY the weekly picks of all the contestants in the WISEGUYS contest. So is it any wonder RED has listed this contest in almost every post regarding his credibility?

    https://www.playbook.com//Vegas-Wise-Guys/


    https://www.playbook.com//wg04.pdf


    Note that the sponsor of the contest Marc Lawrence always finished near the top. Again, coincidence or just another part of the overall business model. And of course almost all of the “contestants” sell their picks and services through links on Marc’s site.

    So you either believe this is an invitation only contest or that it is just another business model to sell picks. I’ll let you decide and do your own research using this as a start.

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...-Contest-Notes

    Also note in this link RED suggests not playing too much on his picks. Exactly how would one get these picks? By paying for the Wiseguys service as linked above.
    Now that Red isn't betting this sports season is the best time for him to show us what he's made of. I mean, maybe, it's harder to pick games now, to find games now, but, who knows. There must be some games somewhere.

    Anyway, I spent some time on a forum where one of the leaders analyzes past events, in terms of numerology. A bit of fun with numbers, in other ways. I pointed out a few things to him, along the way, about not trying to misrepresent stuff. I just read a post of Red's.

    The point about today and why I bumped this. Back on May 18th, in an entry called "Outside the Box," I made the point that instead of restricting those most vulnerable to the virus, one way to think outside the box was to evaluate the individual differences in ability to spread virus and restrict those who likely spread the most or restrict specific behaviors that lead to the most spread. I suggested banning singing in church.

    Well, today (July 3) California banned singing in church, which was probably a compromise move to enable churches to stay open.

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info...and-running/4/
    Then I googled, a bit, to find out that Germany, and California, had instances of bans on singing in church, weeks before. I take a dim view of, directly or indirectly, trying to take such credit. I would have searched out, and, then, included such links. Maybe, I am in error here, but, it seems unprofessional not to have at least checked for such links, in advance.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-singing-ban

    https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0OlfR...tream-services

    Good research, LMR. Much appreciated. I had not seen these. Had I seen them, I would have mentioned Germany, certainly, as I think their response has been what the U.S. should have copied, in many ways.

    When I do the blog entries (and the not-singing suggestion was one line in the entry), I treat them as reportage. I give myself 24 hours to get the piece done, so it's a piece of reporting, not a polished article. I am going to miss some things. I certainly didn't claim sole credit for the ideas in that blog piece. I was just playing with ideas that I thought were worth considering. For example, in that piece, I mention the various viral load differences between age groups. That's certainly not something that came from me -- it was ongoing research that uncovered some significant differences. And the research hadn't made it into the U.S. media.

    But thanks again. I will certainly reference other countries as doing the no singing pre-dating the California ban when I discuss it again.

  15. #575
    Boz, I don't get any money from the Wise Guys plays. Why would you assume that? Because people pay ten bucks or something? Sorry, I don't get a 1040 unless I win money in the contest itself. You can call them or email them and check.

    Regarding the Wise Guys. When Playbook was still publishing as a paper newsletter and was nationally available on newsstands, one of each contestant's plays was listed in the newsletter. Way back when, maybe 13-14 years ago, I did get some income from Playbook when they had 900 lines and I was one of the boxes. I mentioned this in a number of posts a couple years ago when I sent stuff to Mr. Mendelson.

    Anyway, the bottom line is, you assumed I made money because Playbook charges something for the plays now that they don't publish the national newsletter. That is incorrect. I get nothing, nada, zero.

    Now here's my question. Why would you assume I get money when I said I derived no income from it? I posted the link. It doesn't take a genius to read it and understand that they charge ten bucks or something for the plays. You just assume. I'm constantly stunned at the money-orientation here. Like Boz -- he thinks my linking my blog would help me "sell picks?" Is he stark raving mad? The blog alienates almost everyone who bets sports (over 50, white, male, Republican, for the most part).
    Last edited by redietz; 07-05-2020 at 11:28 AM.

  16. #576
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    These are the guys you associate with. Headlined by the guy Marc Lawrence who you tried to tell me is a “legitimate” handicapper in world full of scam artists. You tried the old “They are crooks, but I’m legitimate” scam by telling me Marc is not like the rest.

    Note he is the guy who runs the so called Wiseguys contest you always use to try and legitimize your service.

    Here are some links to people he promotes, including Jim Feist who we both know was one of the most crooked scamdicappers of all time.

    https://www.picksite.com/picks Note this guy is a “documented” 71-40 in his NASCAR picks over the last 3 years. Surely everyone should be paying this guy and destroying casinos.

    https://www.playbook.com/Handicapper-Report-Card/ Here is where you can see Jim Feist being listed

    And here is a link to the Wiseguys contest we have all heard about so many times, including a mention of Robert E Dietz, or Bob Dietz as he is called on there. Congratulations on the tie for 3rd finish in 2017. Of bigger note is that you can BUY the weekly picks of all the contestants in the WISEGUYS contest. So is it any wonder RED has listed this contest in almost every post regarding his credibility?

    https://www.playbook.com//Vegas-Wise-Guys/


    https://www.playbook.com//wg04.pdf


    Note that the sponsor of the contest Marc Lawrence always finished near the top. Again, coincidence or just another part of the overall business model. And of course almost all of the “contestants” sell their picks and services through links on Marc’s site.

    So you either believe this is an invitation only contest or that it is just another business model to sell picks. I’ll let you decide and do your own research using this as a start.

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...-Contest-Notes

    Also note in this link RED suggests not playing too much on his picks. Exactly how would one get these picks? By paying for the Wiseguys service as linked above.

    It's an invitation-only contest. A handful of people who are not part of the Playbook stable are in the contest. This is because the contest is 35 years old, and some of the best in the history of the handicapping game have been in it. For example, a gentleman from Florida (I think he may have been the only two-time outright winner) who went by the handle of Southern Comfort was in it for decades. Now that he's passed, I can reveal his name -- Larry Fletcher. This is a guy who was eons ahead of his time. He was arbitraging offshores before most people had the internet. He's the only gambler who said he never had a losing year, and I believed him. Mainly because he was so ahead of everyone in terms of middle shots and arbitrage. I never met Mr. Fletcher in person, but we had a few phone conversations, and he was one of the reasons I think that Billy Walters hired me back in '92.

    So it is an invitation-only contest, and obviously there's no cheating, as the plays are publicly available. Marc Lawrence does not always finish "near the top." Boz is making that up. Lawrence does have one of top records in the contest cumulatively for the last 20 years. He may have the best record (I'm hoping not), but I haven't done the math recently, so not sure.

    Boz mentions Jim Feist. Yeah, not going to argue much with Boz on that.

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  18. #578
    Thanks, mcap. Will read it all. Just browsed through, and two remarks: regarding Sweden -- Sweden is considered a failure by most because it's mortality rate is higher than other Scandinavian countries and a recent economic analysis demonstrated that the no shutdown did not result in any economic benefit as compared to other Scandinavian countries. People assume the no shutdown greatly aided their economy. It did not. The other quick note -- maybe two months ago, tests were done on children. Children have much less viral load outspew and intake when they breathe. So being around children, you don't get the volume of virus that you get around adults. I did a blog entry that touched a little on that ("Outside the Box"). Older people, although most vulnerable, also don't outspew much virus load. So if you're around oldsters and you're young, they are vulnerable to you, but you aren't very vulnerable to them. It's more of a one-way street.

    Also, here's a frightening summary from the UK. Neurological damage from covid evidently does not necessarily correlate with lung damage.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...covid-symptoms

  19. #579
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Notice that the article says deaths data is the best indicator because it is the least biased. Here's the latest chart on deaths as percentage of cases. As you can see it's down to 1%. Redietz knows this so now he is pushing the "dangerous lingering effects" of having covid 19:
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    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #580
    And here is my latest tip for those of you still concerned about covid. If you are over 80 years old consider not going back to school this fall.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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