Covid-19 by the numbers

[mcap]

You can take politics out of it just by comparing the situations of states that have similar political makeup and both have large cities. Look at how well California is doing vs New York and how early they took action vs New York. The blood is on Cuomo’s hands but the national media largely based out of New York is blaming it mostly on Trump.

What helped California out was the early China flight ban in late January. Most of those flights would land in LA or SF. Kept the virus away, unlike NY which got all those European infected flights, that weren’t halted till mid-March.

Being the first state to issue a stay at home order while New York waited until everyone else was also shutting down non essential had nothing to do with it? Gtfoh. If you’re a Democrat in New York it’s impossible for anything bad that happens to be your fault at all.

[mickeycrimm]

Apparently, Trump was provided with several different options to deal with the outbreak. He chose the one that had the virus going away on its own, with warmer weather.

"Trump told supporters at a rally in New Hampshire in early March that the virus will be gone by April, claiming that when temperatures rise, “the virus” will “miraculously” go away. Chinese President Xi Jinping has said the same, Trump said."

The do-nothing, and hope-for-the-best, scenario.

I wonder how it feels to have so much "blood" on your hands because you wanted to keep the stock markets up for yourself, and your rich friends.

Ha, well, I guess it really is the way that "the world has always been". No, Crimm, I doubt that Trump cares that you live, or die, regardless from the virus.

I know one thing. I dont' give a rats ass whether your punk ass lives or dies. Fuck off, bitch.

LMR is a mental midget.

[Bob21]

Does it come through the walls?

Kj, last I heard it doesn’t come through walls. But just to play it safe I’d stay in your bunker. Hopefully, you got it reinforced with lead. I heard it has a hard time getting through lead.

[Deech]

You can take politics out of it just by comparing the situations of states that have similar political makeup and both have large cities. Look at how well California is doing vs New York and how early they took action vs New York. The blood is on Cuomo’s hands but the national media largely based out of New York is blaming it mostly on Trump.

What helped California out was the early China flight ban in late January. Most of those flights would land in LA or SF. Kept the virus away, unlike NY which got all those European infected flights, that weren’t halted till mid-March.

Being the first state to issue a stay at home order while New York waited until everyone else was also shutting down non essential had nothing to do with it? Gtfoh. If you’re a Democrat in New York it’s impossible for anything bad that happens to be your fault at all.

The statewide "stay at home" order was issued by the California governor on March 19th. New York, Connecticut, and Oregon governors issued their statewide "stay at home" orders on March 20th.

[LMR]

Does it come through the walls?

Kj, last I heard it doesn’t come through walls. But just to play it safe I’d stay in your bunker. Hopefully, you got it reinforced with lead. I heard it has a hard time getting through lead.

Now, now, Bob21!

KJ's walls have special, 666-properties. Hehehe.

"Can the new coronavirus spread through building pipes?

Two residents of a Hong Kong apartment building have fallen ill with the new coronavirus even though they live on different floors."

https://www.livescience.com/coronavi...ing-pipes.html

[Rob.Singer]

I'm going to get subs at Subway today. Can I get anyone something?

Of course you are! Yesterday was food stamp day and because of increased benefits due to the coronavirus relief bill, you are "rolling in" extra food stamp money.

So yeah, I take a couple chocolate chips cookies. Can you purchase them with food stamps or is it only prepared sandwiches?

I smile at that. If there were ANY feasible way I could manipulate the system into allowing us to get a food stamp card I'd have done it long ago. However, just with our SS alone, we're over limit, let alone the pensions.

The best part about all this is we will in fact be getting a full $2400 in stimulus, since our combined AGI income for 2018 was justbelow $150k. The funny part?--there's no exclusion for having millions in retirement accounts and gold. I get what the slob downtown gets.

Karma is such a good thing

[redietz]

Also, this is not completely about survival. A good chunk of people who get this are going to have permanent lung damage, like having tuberculosis. So quality of life will be reduced for those who survive. That hasn't even been discussed much publicly because then, with 30% minimum having the virus, you're talking about tens of millions with reduced quality of life. Those are the facts. That's the reality. if you prefer to believe something else, be my guest.

I have, at each step of this, been correct about virtually everything. And that did not take any super powers. It took a little reading and listening to actual experts and understanding that science and the military have been running models for this....

Tens of millions with lung damage? That would mean more than tens of millions would have to get the virus. I think your number here is not only wrong its outrageous.

Mickey, just do the math. California is going to have more than 50% infected. California has 40 million people. New York will be 70-80%. New York has 20 million people. Just do the math. I do not know why you can't do the math. You're better at math than I am, so what is the problem? The models have been accurate.

At each step of this, mickey, you have said one thing. I have said another. You have yet to be correct. I guess you're due, as they say.

As far as the president is concerned, he had the power and the ability to report reality to the American people at least six weeks ahead of what he did. That would have been honest. It would have saved lives. Republicans, when polled, actually registered a higher percentage of taking the virus seriously before the president made his February statements. He made those statements, and the percentage of Republicans taking it seriously went down. At any point, he could have said, "Fox News ain't telling it like it's gonna be. Here's what's going to happen."

Cuomo blundered badly early. The CDC was a disgrace the entire way. The Georgia governor is a horse's ass. But President Trump had the ability and the platform to clean up many of these blunders by just admitting the truth.

I had a blunder myself about a month ago. My girlfriend had watched shows with Japanese and Korean infectious disease specialists, and they recommended masks. I had figured masks couldn't hurt, but the CDC said masks were of no benefit. I believed the CDC. Well, of course, the CDC was bullshitting and just trying to prevent civilians from buying masks because the U.S. government hadn't stockpiled a serious amount. So the girlfriend was right; I was wrong.

She's sewn some mask prototypes the last few days, and we should be good to go.

[redietz]

Here's some info from the major health care companies in Tennessee: they are not expecting peak bed usage until mid-June. So that puts Tennessee a full six to eight weeks behind New York, despite the fact that Tennessee has quite a few confirmed cases.

Mickey, I'm going to guess that Montana should be a month or so behind Tennessee. That doesn't mean go out and party. It means the virus is already there, but social distancing could be real effective in Montana if people do their job right now.

[jpfromla]

You can take politics out of it just by comparing the situations of states that have similar political makeup and both have large cities. Look at how well California is doing vs New York and how early they took action vs New York. The blood is on Cuomo’s hands but the national media largely based out of New York is blaming it mostly on Trump.

I'm not sure this is entirely fair. NYC is what I would describe as an international city. More visitor and residents from all over the world than any other U.S. city. NYC is our version of a Paris, London or Tokyo. On top of that, the people literally live on top of each other. No comparison to LA, which has a lot of people but is much more spread out. Not making excuses, just saying circumstances aren't really the same.

Every elevator in NYC is ground 0 for the virus.

[mickeycrimm]

Also, this is not completely about survival. A good chunk of people who get this are going to have permanent lung damage, like having tuberculosis. So quality of life will be reduced for those who survive. That hasn't even been discussed much publicly because then, with 30% minimum having the virus, you're talking about tens of millions with reduced quality of life. Those are the facts. That's the reality. if you prefer to believe something else, be my guest.

I have, at each step of this, been correct about virtually everything. And that did not take any super powers. It took a little reading and listening to actual experts and understanding that science and the military have been running models for this....

Tens of millions with lung damage? That would mean more than tens of millions would have to get the virus. I think your number here is not only wrong its outrageous.

Mickey, just do the math. California is going to have more than 50% infected. California has 40 million people. New York will be 70-80%. New York has 20 million people. Just do the math. I do not know why you can't do the math. You're better at math than I am, so what is the problem? The models have been accurate.

At each step of this, mickey, you have said one thing. I have said another. You have yet to be correct. I guess you're due, as they say.

As far as the president is concerned, he had the power and the ability to report reality to the American people at least six weeks ahead of what he did. That would have been honest. It would have saved lives. Republicans, when polled, actually registered a higher percentage of taking the virus seriously before the president made his February statements. He made those statements, and the percentage of Republicans taking it seriously went down. At any point, he could have said, "Fox News ain't telling it like it's gonna be. Here's what's going to happen."

Cuomo blundered badly early. The CDC was a disgrace the entire way. The Georgia governor is a horse's ass. But President Trump had the ability and the platform to clean up many of these blunders by just admitting the truth.

I had a blunder myself about a month ago. My girlfriend had watched shows with Japanese and Korean infectious disease specialists, and they recommended masks. I had figured masks couldn't hurt, but the CDC said masks were of no benefit. I believed the CDC. Well, of course, the CDC was bullshitting and just trying to prevent civilians from buying masks because the U.S. government hadn't stockpiled a serious amount. So the girlfriend was right; I was wrong.

She's sewn some mask prototypes the last few days, and we should be good to go.

I don't see anyone publishing numbers as high as yours. And I don't get where you think the virus will continue to spred thru the summer. Another thing you are doing is accusing the President of not being a doctor and knowing what doctors know. Well, he isn't and doesn't but I really didn't expect him to be. And why the shutdown and social distancing if everyone is going to get infected anyway?

[jpfromla]

You can take politics out of it just by comparing the situations of states that have similar political makeup and both have large cities. Look at how well California is doing vs New York and how early they took action vs New York. The blood is on Cuomo’s hands but the national media largely based out of New York is blaming it mostly on Trump.

What helped California out was the early China flight ban in late January. Most of those flights would land in LA or SF. Kept the virus away, unlike NY which got all those European infected flights, that weren’t halted till mid-March.

Being the first state to issue a stay at home order while New York waited until everyone else was also shutting down non essential had nothing to do with it? Gtfoh. If you’re a Democrat in New York it’s impossible for anything bad that happens to be your fault at all.

Agree. California was ahead of closing down ( based on number of cases) way before NY, despite Pelosi parading around in SF during Chinese New Years. And I’m not a Gavin Newsom fan.

[mcap]

What helped California out was the early China flight ban in late January. Most of those flights would land in LA or SF. Kept the virus away, unlike NY which got all those European infected flights, that weren’t halted till mid-March.

Being the first state to issue a stay at home order while New York waited until everyone else was also shutting down non essential had nothing to do with it? Gtfoh. If you’re a Democrat in New York it’s impossible for anything bad that happens to be your fault at all.

The statewide "stay at home" order was issued by the California governor on March 19th. New York, Connecticut, and Oregon governors issued their statewide "stay at home" orders on March 20th.

Maybe it wasn’t statewide yet, SF Bay Area like 6-7 counties went shelter in place March 16th have a text from my brother who lives there about it. They had already been limiting gathering sizes previously starting sometime around March 12th. The sort of things NY’s mayor was asking for but Cuomo shot him down.

[jpfromla]

Being the first state to issue a stay at home order while New York waited until everyone else was also shutting down non essential had nothing to do with it? Gtfoh. If you’re a Democrat in New York it’s impossible for anything bad that happens to be your fault at all.

The statewide "stay at home" order was issued by the California governor on March 19th. New York, Connecticut, and Oregon governors issued their statewide "stay at home" orders on March 20th.

Maybe it wasn’t statewide yet, SF Bay Area like 6-7 counties went shelter in place March 16th have a text from my brother who lives there about it. They had already been limiting gathering sizes previously starting sometime around March 12th. The sort of things NY’s mayor was asking for but Cuomo shot him down.

I don’t know the laws in NY state, but de Blasio should have taken the bull by the balls and locked down NYC himself...oops, sorry, I just answered my own thought...

[tableplay]

Every elevator in NYC is ground 0 for the virus.

Especially if it is on the bottom floor.

[redietz]

Tens of millions with lung damage? That would mean more than tens of millions would have to get the virus. I think your number here is not only wrong its outrageous.

Mickey, just do the math. California is going to have more than 50% infected. California has 40 million people. New York will be 70-80%. New York has 20 million people. Just do the math. I do not know why you can't do the math. You're better at math than I am, so what is the problem? The models have been accurate.

At each step of this, mickey, you have said one thing. I have said another. You have yet to be correct. I guess you're due, as they say.

As far as the president is concerned, he had the power and the ability to report reality to the American people at least six weeks ahead of what he did. That would have been honest. It would have saved lives. Republicans, when polled, actually registered a higher percentage of taking the virus seriously before the president made his February statements. He made those statements, and the percentage of Republicans taking it seriously went down. At any point, he could have said, "Fox News ain't telling it like it's gonna be. Here's what's going to happen."

Cuomo blundered badly early. The CDC was a disgrace the entire way. The Georgia governor is a horse's ass. But President Trump had the ability and the platform to clean up many of these blunders by just admitting the truth.

I had a blunder myself about a month ago. My girlfriend had watched shows with Japanese and Korean infectious disease specialists, and they recommended masks. I had figured masks couldn't hurt, but the CDC said masks were of no benefit. I believed the CDC. Well, of course, the CDC was bullshitting and just trying to prevent civilians from buying masks because the U.S. government hadn't stockpiled a serious amount. So the girlfriend was right; I was wrong.

She's sewn some mask prototypes the last few days, and we should be good to go.

I don't see anyone publishing numbers as high as yours. And I don't get where you think the virus will continue to spred thru the summer. Another thing you are doing is accusing the President of not being a doctor and knowing what doctors know. Well, he isn't and doesn't but I really didn't expect him to be. And why the shutdown and social distancing if everyone is going to get infected anyway?

My California number is low. The current estimate is more like 55%. Tennessee's major health corporations predict max bed use in mid-June. The virus will spread through the summer.

The president can read, presumably. Presumably, he also has access to better information than I do. Had he acted on what Fauci had to say two months ago, it would have made a considerable difference. When you have an NIH head who has worked under many presidents and faced off multiple potential pandemics, might be good to ask him right off the bat, wouldn't you say? The president had a choice -- go with the Fox News line or consult lifelong professionals. He made a bad choice. He made the easy choice. He's in deep now, but he seems to finally understand who knows what they're talking about, and I think he has the guts to go with it.

And actually, the U.S. total number projected infected I've been suggesting here is likely way low, too. This has been, as I've said for months, soft peddled each step of the way. Even that first mention of 100K deaths, as I mentioned when it was made, was probably a low estimate. And presto, 48 hours later it went to 200K.

[monet]

lol... funny to read this and see the difference in posts/thoughts in just a few weeks.
Personally, I am basically a professional at stay at home or shelter in place so it doesn't bother me at all.
I don't like the idea that it is mandated and government controlled though... that is the scary part.
Nobody seems to be enforcing anything yet here in Vegas.
I drive where I want when I want with no issues as of yesterday.

Best thing to do is to Stock Up.
Get an arsenal and hunker down.
I don't agree with Rob Singer and others who promote Take Away.
It is a known fact that they put pubes, spit and other things in your food just because.
People are scared of the mail and cardboard boxes but have no problem with to go food lol lol lol.
The same thing can happen at the grocery stores so either way you take your chances.
I'd rather prepare home cooked meals though.

KewlJ is screwed.
You think Jesus is going to let KewlJ call him a faggot?
Jesus will make that virus go through the walls, floorboards, plumbing and vents to infect him now.
Your going on a Ching Chang Chong Ride!
Buckle Up Buttercup!!

[mickeycrimm]

Mickey, just do the math. California is going to have more than 50% infected. California has 40 million people. New York will be 70-80%. New York has 20 million people. Just do the math. I do not know why you can't do the math. You're better at math than I am, so what is the problem? The models have been accurate.

At each step of this, mickey, you have said one thing. I have said another. You have yet to be correct. I guess you're due, as they say.

As far as the president is concerned, he had the power and the ability to report reality to the American people at least six weeks ahead of what he did. That would have been honest. It would have saved lives. Republicans, when polled, actually registered a higher percentage of taking the virus seriously before the president made his February statements. He made those statements, and the percentage of Republicans taking it seriously went down. At any point, he could have said, "Fox News ain't telling it like it's gonna be. Here's what's going to happen."

Cuomo blundered badly early. The CDC was a disgrace the entire way. The Georgia governor is a horse's ass. But President Trump had the ability and the platform to clean up many of these blunders by just admitting the truth.

I had a blunder myself about a month ago. My girlfriend had watched shows with Japanese and Korean infectious disease specialists, and they recommended masks. I had figured masks couldn't hurt, but the CDC said masks were of no benefit. I believed the CDC. Well, of course, the CDC was bullshitting and just trying to prevent civilians from buying masks because the U.S. government hadn't stockpiled a serious amount. So the girlfriend was right; I was wrong.

She's sewn some mask prototypes the last few days, and we should be good to go.

I don't see anyone publishing numbers as high as yours. And I don't get where you think the virus will continue to spred thru the summer. Another thing you are doing is accusing the President of not being a doctor and knowing what doctors know. Well, he isn't and doesn't but I really didn't expect him to be. And why the shutdown and social distancing if everyone is going to get infected anyway?

My California number is low. The current estimate is more like 55%. Tennessee's major health corporations predict max bed use in mid-June. The virus will spread through the summer.

The president can read, presumably. Presumably, he also has access to better information than I do. Had he acted on what Fauci had to say two months ago, it would have made a considerable difference. When you have an NIH head who has worked under many presidents and faced off multiple potential pandemics, might be good to ask him right off the bat, wouldn't you say? The president had a choice -- go with the Fox News line or consult lifelong professionals. He made a bad choice. He made the easy choice. He's in deep now, but he seems to finally understand who knows what they're talking about, and I think he has the guts to go with it.

And actually, the U.S. total number projected infected I've been suggesting here is likely way low, too. This has been, as I've said for months, soft peddled each step of the way. Even that first mention of 100K deaths, as I mentioned when it was made, was probably a low estimate. And presto, 48 hours later it went to 200K.

I don't see doctors or any of the alarmists in media using numbers as extreme as yours are. 70 to 80% of New Yorkers? You are saying that quarantining at home and social distancing have no chance to succeed. That everyone is going to get the virus anyway. You are saying that 200,000 New Yorkers will die. Thats just to exteme, redietz.

[Dan Druff]

California is doing surprisingly well (so far), with only 242 deaths. Keep in mind the population is 40 million.

I think the much-maligned lack of public transportation has helped the state not end up like some of the bad ones elsewhere.

"Nobody walks in LA" might be a saving grace.

[monet]

California is doing surprisingly well (so far), with only 242 deaths. Keep in mind the population is 40 million.

I think the much-maligned lack of public transportation has helped the state not end up like some of the bad ones elsewhere.

"Nobody walks in LA" might be a saving grace.

Check out 2:51... the video predicts the future with Surgical Masked Man dancing in the crowd lol.

[Half Smoke]

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