Covid-19 by the numbers

[mickeycrimm]

Too much gibberish, Bill. I didn't read it.

Often, the highest form of compliment for any piece of art.

There was one match for another phrase that yields the same gematria result as, "Hydroxychloroquine in the eye of the storm." It was, "Magic Square of the Sun adds to Six Sixty-Six."

Just realized that the "sun" here must stand for the virus, the corona- part of it.

Yep, gibberish. I haven't laughed so hard since you were Onehitwonder.

[Rob.Singer]

Red, c'mon....you've seen how many humiliating times the liberals on CNN, MSNBC and the networks get caught trying to lie their way out of irresponsible things they've said about Trump, and you do it here. Just like the fact that Conservatives are overall waaay better looking people than liberals, we're smarter too. That's why it's easy watching you people constantly getting caught in your own traps.

[mickeycrimm]

I would watch using the phrase "the model," kewlJ. There is no one model. The model that is being pushed currently uses the neat trick of predicting "just" 60k deaths with an August 4th deadline, after which presumably the virus decides to retire before its 401ks de-value too much. None of the current models predict an "entire pandemic death toll" of 60k. The 1918 outbreak numbers are tallied from the better part of three years.

The big question is penetration. The greater the penetration, which is currently unknown due to lack of testing, the less the future danger and the less likely of second and third waves and major outbreaks. The less the penetration, the more dangerous it will be to re-open anything.

Finally, the "just 60K deaths" model also predicts some early peaks for states that it is increasingly unlikely will have those early peaks. For example, the models actually being used by health care companies in Tennessee predict a peak four to five weeks after the 60K model.

You see what's happening here, right? You get underestimations of everything until something had to be done. Then the president makes public the worst-case scenario models so as to play the hero who prevented the worst-case models. Then when the death rate comes down due to social distancing and business/school closures, the administration push is that there's been massive penetration and everything is safe, so let's open things back up. Only problem -- there hasn't been enough testing to establish any degree of penetration whatsoever.

The bottom line is the administration shut things down late, pushes to open them early, and has been flying blind the entire way, including now. President Trump, in his last presser, talked about COVID-19 as if it were a bacteria vulnerable to antibiotics. I have no idea what he was talking about. It was frightening. That is flying blind to the nth degree.

Oh no, redietz. There you go again politicizing it. Thats the problem with listening to libtards. The president is between a rock and hard place on coronavirus. He's under fire now for not calling for the shutdown earlier. If he would have shut down earlier, which would have saved some lives, he would be under fire for "needlessly shutting the economy down and costing the country trillions of dollars." That's the problem with you liberals. You got more routes than Greyhound Bus Lines. Anything you can do to make the president look bad you will do.

Right now you libs hate that hydroxychloroquine is being investigated as a cure. If hydroxychloroquine works out you libs will then be saying "Trump knew about Hydroxychloroquine early on but withheld the information from the public costing thousands of lives." Thats how you nitwits are so nobody falls for your B.S anymore.

[kewlJ]

Redietz: I am talking about the model most widely being used out of the University of Washington. I think the guys name is Chris Murray or Chris Murphy. That is the model the government is using for the most part. I don't know the guys credentials but he is widely thought of as an expert. He is Irish, so he probably drinks...LoL. That's a joke. Like I said he is widely accepted as an expert by both the Trump administration which is relying heavily on his numbers as well as Trump admin detractors. That is good enough for me.

Mickeycrimm: You stated "Trump is not a doctor". Hallelujah!! Can I ask why then did you jump on Chloroquine after Trump uttered the name? Likely someone, god knows who got Trumps ear that day and mentioned that some medical people were hopeful chloroquine, could be beneficial. And you Trump worshipers jumped on it as the miracle cure. I was hoping maybe Trump guessed right but honestly as time goes on that hope is diminished. There are serious heart issues as a side effect, especially for anyone with pre-existing heart condition. God I hope you haven't run out and bought Chloroquine. Frankly there are several other promising treatments being tested including one of the main ingredience of Viagra.

Now back to the modeling. Bill Bennet, what was he education secretary or something was on Fox a bit earlier, claiming again that covid-19 was no worse that the flu because the models now say maybe about 60k will die, which is about a bad flu season. What an ass! Those new lower numbers are because EVERYTHING is shut down! Prior to that the very same model was showing 2.4 million with no shutdown. I guess (DR.) Bennett forgot that part.

So that's the thing I mentioned earlier. Basically this widely used model is showing that shutting everything down and staying home has worked! reduced the expected deaths from 2.4 million to 60k. Good call President Trump listening to the medical experts. You don't hear me say that too often. But now the problem is now what? Open everything up and aren't we going to go right back to the 2.4 million deaths model? But we can't stay closed for 18 months. I don't know what the right answer is. Maybe a compromise. Open up businesses, shops, restaurants, but still ban very large gatherings, like sporting events, concerts, church, Disneyworld and Disneyland, and yes...CASINOS. That might be the new normal for the next year to 18 months.

[BoSox]

I would watch using the phrase "the model," kewlJ. There is no one model. The model that is being pushed currently uses the neat trick of predicting "just" 60k deaths with an August 4th deadline, after which presumably the virus decides to retire before its 401ks de-value too much. None of the current models predict an "entire pandemic death toll" of 60k. The 1918 outbreak numbers are tallied from the better part of three years.

The big question is penetration. The greater the penetration, which is currently unknown due to lack of testing, the less the future danger and the less likely of second and third waves and major outbreaks. The less the penetration, the more dangerous it will be to re-open anything.

Finally, the "just 60K deaths" model also predicts some early peaks for states that it is increasingly unlikely will have those early peaks. For example, the models actually being used by health care companies in Tennessee predict a peak four to five weeks after the 60K model.

You see what's happening here, right? You get underestimations of everything until something had to be done. Then the president makes public the worst-case scenario models so as to play the hero who prevented the worst-case models. Then when the death rate comes down due to social distancing and business/school closures, the administration push is that there's been massive penetration and everything is safe, so let's open things back up. Only problem -- there hasn't been enough testing to establish any degree of penetration whatsoever.

All of this penetration talk is somewhat interesting Redietz in your response to KewlJ regarding his life. Penetration is a huge factor in every facet in KJ's life. First, as you described the unknown question of penetration of the COVID-19 virus throughout the country. Then hopefully everything goes back to normal and KJ's main concerns revolve around the penetration he is getting on the green felt as well as the penetration he is getting sticking it up some homo's asshole.

[kewlJ]

All of this penetration talk is somewhat interesting Redietz in your response to KewlJ regarding his life. Penetration is a huge factor in every facet in KJ's life. First, as you described the unknown question of penetration of the COVID-19 virus throughout the country. Then hopefully everything goes back to normal and KJ's main concerns revolve around the penetration he is getting on the green felt as well as the penetration he is getting sticking it up some homo's asshole.

How clever Bosox. That make you feel like a big man? To me it proves just the opposite....what a small minded person you are. Not only with the 3rd grade homophobic insult to me, but basically a big fuck you to Dan Druff.

[mickeycrimm]

Redietz: I am talking about the model most widely being used out of the University of Washington. I think the guys name is Chris Murray or Chris Murphy. That is the model the government is using for the most part. I don't know the guys credentials but he is widely thought of as an expert. He is Irish, so he probably drinks...LoL. That's a joke. Like I said he is widely accepted as an expert by both the Trump administration which is relying heavily on his numbers as well as Trump admin detractors. That is good enough for me.

Mickeycrimm: You stated "Trump is not a doctor". Hallelujah!! Can I ask why then did you jump on Chloroquine after Trump uttered the name? Likely someone, god knows who got Trumps ear that day and mentioned that some medical people were hopeful chloroquine, could be beneficial. And you Trump worshipers jumped on it as the miracle cure. I was hoping maybe Trump guessed right but honestly as time goes on that hope is diminished. There are serious heart issues as a side effect, especially for anyone with pre-existing heart condition. God I hope you haven't run out and bought Chloroquine. Frankly there are several other promising treatments being tested including one of the main ingredience of Viagra.

Now back to the modeling. Bill Bennet, what was he education secretary or something was on Fox a bit earlier, claiming again that covid-19 was no worse that the flu because the models now say maybe about 60k will die, which is about a bad flu season. What an ass! Those new lower numbers are because EVERYTHING is shut down! Prior to that the very same model was showing 2.4 million with no shutdown. I guess (DR.) Bennett forgot that part.

So that's the thing I mentioned earlier. Basically this widely used model is showing that shutting everything down and staying home has worked! reduced the expected deaths from 2.4 million to 60k. Good call President Trump listening to the medical experts. You don't hear me say that too often. But now the problem is now what? Open everything up and aren't we going to go right back to the 2.4 million deaths model? But we can't stay closed for 18 months. I don't know what the right answer is. Maybe a compromise. Open up businesses, shops, restaurants, but still ban very large gatherings, like sporting events, concerts, church, Disneyworld and Disneyland, and yes...CASINOS. That might be the new normal for the next year to 18 months.

Christ, KJ. You're getting worse than redietz. You blast me for advocating research on hydroxychloroquine then turn right around and say "Frankly, there are several other promising treatments...." WTF? It's you lefties that keep up with the insane bullshit. Why are you downplaying HCQ but advocating other treatments? WTF? THEY ALL NEED TO BE RESEARCHED.

So I advocated that HCQ should be explored as a treatment and you jump on it like I'm saying it's the miracle cure. GFY! Knock off the bullshit.

EVERY POSSIBLE TREATMENT, INCLUDING HCQ, SHOULD BE EXPLORED FOR TREATING CORONAVIRUS!!

Lets see how you twist this one up.

[redietz]

Redietz: I am talking about the model most widely being used out of the University of Washington. I think the guys name is Chris Murray or Chris Murphy. That is the model the government is using for the most part. I don't know the guys credentials but he is widely thought of as an expert. He is Irish, so he probably drinks...LoL. That's a joke. Like I said he is widely accepted as an expert by both the Trump administration which is relying heavily on his numbers as well as Trump admin detractors. That is good enough for me.

Mickeycrimm: You stated "Trump is not a doctor". Hallelujah!! Can I ask why then did you jump on Chloroquine after Trump uttered the name? Likely someone, god knows who got Trumps ear that day and mentioned that some medical people were hopeful chloroquine, could be beneficial. And you Trump worshipers jumped on it as the miracle cure. I was hoping maybe Trump guessed right but honestly as time goes on that hope is diminished. There are serious heart issues as a side effect, especially for anyone with pre-existing heart condition. God I hope you haven't run out and bought Chloroquine. Frankly there are several other promising treatments being tested including one of the main ingredience of Viagra.

Now back to the modeling. Bill Bennet, what was he education secretary or something was on Fox a bit earlier, claiming again that covid-19 was no worse that the flu because the models now say maybe about 60k will die, which is about a bad flu season. What an ass! Those new lower numbers are because EVERYTHING is shut down! Prior to that the very same model was showing 2.4 million with no shutdown. I guess (DR.) Bennett forgot that part.

So that's the thing I mentioned earlier. Basically this widely used model is showing that shutting everything down and staying home has worked! reduced the expected deaths from 2.4 million to 60k. Good call President Trump listening to the medical experts. You don't hear me say that too often. But now the problem is now what? Open everything up and aren't we going to go right back to the 2.4 million deaths model? But we can't stay closed for 18 months. I don't know what the right answer is. Maybe a compromise. Open up businesses, shops, restaurants, but still ban very large gatherings, like sporting events, concerts, church, Disneyworld and Disneyland, and yes...CASINOS. That might be the new normal for the next year to 18 months.

LOL. Thanks, kewlJ! I had no idea where Bill Bennett was hiding himself. Oh baby doll, what a dude!

For those new to the party, I reference Bill Bennett in my blog entry, "Sixty Days of Addiction." He thought he could win at negative expectation games. Yep, one of those guys. Maybe he was AART, eh? He's one of those guys who preached "family values" while sneaking away to casinos and losing millions of dollars while cavorting here and there with various working women. Now he kept all of this a secret for a long while because, get this, he had the high stakes video poker machines moved into his hotel rooms at the casinos.

So he's shown up on Fox news as a coronavirus expert? Whoa Nellie! I'd listen to him. He probably knows a thing or three about getting rid of various diseases. Man, Fox must be scraping the bottom for "expert commentators."

I kind of admire him. He was ripping Bill Clinton and gays and those of loose moral fiber while blowing a few of the family millions having an excellent time in casino hotel rooms. Hell, if I like Hunter Thompson, I gotta like Bill Bennett. Well, except HST told mostly the truth about what he was doing.

https://news.nd.edu/news/la-times-vi...ll-from-grace/

[mickeycrimm]

Redietz: I am talking about the model most widely being used out of the University of Washington. I think the guys name is Chris Murray or Chris Murphy. That is the model the government is using for the most part. I don't know the guys credentials but he is widely thought of as an expert. He is Irish, so he probably drinks...LoL. That's a joke. Like I said he is widely accepted as an expert by both the Trump administration which is relying heavily on his numbers as well as Trump admin detractors. That is good enough for me.

Mickeycrimm: You stated "Trump is not a doctor". Hallelujah!! Can I ask why then did you jump on Chloroquine after Trump uttered the name? Likely someone, god knows who got Trumps ear that day and mentioned that some medical people were hopeful chloroquine, could be beneficial. And you Trump worshipers jumped on it as the miracle cure. I was hoping maybe Trump guessed right but honestly as time goes on that hope is diminished. There are serious heart issues as a side effect, especially for anyone with pre-existing heart condition. God I hope you haven't run out and bought Chloroquine. Frankly there are several other promising treatments being tested including one of the main ingredience of Viagra.

Now back to the modeling. Bill Bennet, what was he education secretary or something was on Fox a bit earlier, claiming again that covid-19 was no worse that the flu because the models now say maybe about 60k will die, which is about a bad flu season. What an ass! Those new lower numbers are because EVERYTHING is shut down! Prior to that the very same model was showing 2.4 million with no shutdown. I guess (DR.) Bennett forgot that part.

So that's the thing I mentioned earlier. Basically this widely used model is showing that shutting everything down and staying home has worked! reduced the expected deaths from 2.4 million to 60k. Good call President Trump listening to the medical experts. You don't hear me say that too often. But now the problem is now what? Open everything up and aren't we going to go right back to the 2.4 million deaths model? But we can't stay closed for 18 months. I don't know what the right answer is. Maybe a compromise. Open up businesses, shops, restaurants, but still ban very large gatherings, like sporting events, concerts, church, Disneyworld and Disneyland, and yes...CASINOS. That might be the new normal for the next year to 18 months.

LOL. Thanks, kewlJ! I had no idea where Bill Bennett was hiding himself. Oh baby doll, what a dude!

For those new to the party, I reference Bill Bennett in my blog entry, "Sixty Days of Addiction." He thought he could win at negative expectation games. Yep, one of those guys. Maybe he was AART, eh? He's one of those guys who preached "family values" while sneaking away to casinos and losing millions of dollars while cavorting here and there with various working women. Now he kept all of this a secret for a long while because, get this, he had the high stakes video poker machines moved into his hotel rooms at the casinos.

So he's shown up on Fox news as a coronavirus expert? Whoa Nellie! I'd listen to him. He probably knows a thing or three about getting rid of various diseases. Man, Fox must be scraping the bottom for "expert commentators."

I kind of admire him. He was ripping Bill Clinton and gays and those of loose moral fiber while blowing a few of the family millions having an excellent time in casino hotel rooms. Hell, if I like Hunter Thompson, I gotta like Bill Bennett. Well, except HST told mostly the truth about what he was doing.

https://news.nd.edu/news/la-times-vi...ll-from-grace/

You are right, red. Bennet is no coronavirus expert. But neither is Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, Rachel Madcow, or Chris Cuomo. And all those "experts" they have on their shows? They ain't "expert commentators" either. They are really scraping the bottom of the barrel because they got some real flakes on their shows.

[LMR]

The bottom line is the administration shut things down late, pushes to open them early, and has been flying blind the entire way, including now. President Trump, in his last presser, talked about COVID-19 as if it were a bacteria vulnerable to antibiotics. I have no idea what he was talking about. It was frightening. That is flying blind to the nth degree.

Yep. He'd be better off with the voodoo. Ha, ironically, so would Bozo, and Crimm.

Nobody knows that there is an immunity, after having it. I read that some wonder that it lets something remain in the body that turns itself back on, later on. Some strange things being found with it with respect to antibodies of people who've had it. Apparently, no one paid much attention to the Spanish Flu, until the second wave hit. Even if Trump opens things back up, in May, we can't know until July, that there isn't another outbreak. I'm not sure, either, that testing matters, except to tell who have it to stay at home.

My pet theory is that the virus is part creation, and part evolution. Just as we are at the evolutionary point at which we can begin to control our own genetics, maybe, so, other things. The virus wasn't engineered in any lab, but, it has a creational aspect about it. An optimization, that it doesn't matter what we do. The result will be the same.

[kewlJ]

You are right, red. Bennet is no coronavirus expert. But neither is Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, Rachel Madcow, or Chris Cuomo. And all those "experts" they have on their shows? They ain't "expert commentators" either. They are really scraping the bottom of the barrel because they got some real flakes on their shows.

Well, Chris Cuomo might just be! I am kidding of course, he is no doctor, but if he is anything like me, when you get this virus or any medical issue for that matter, I immediately try to read and learn all I can about it.

Cuomo is clearly sicker than I was, although I am not clear yet, with a slight fever and not feeling as good as the past couple days. It hits different people in different ways and I am not qualified to say just how sick Cuomo was, but it just feels like he was playing it up a bit for ratings. I like Chris Cuomo some, not a great deal, but some, so I hate to say such a thing, but that is what it felt like to me. I think he was fairly sick, but I also think he saw a chance for the spotlight.

[redietz]

You know, I'm no coronavirus expert, either. My cousin, Ron, taught biology at the Penn State branch campus I attended for a year and a half, and I avoided even that class (he was a hard grader).

So how the hell did I call this every step of the way better than Fox News? How did I understand what was happening better than Fox News? That shouldn't happen, right? What does that say about the cumulative wisdom of the experts they assembled and the hosts' ability to process information? Or maybe they just lied.

All I know is that, when it came to COVID-19, I was way more accurate than the Fox crew. Pretty fucking sad. A reasonable person might conclude that listening to Fox results in occasional informational deficiencies.

I'm up in the air about who's smarter, me or mickey. But I've been correct the whole way. Mickey has been incorrect. The obvious difference between us on this topic is our information sources. A reasonable man might review the kinds of information that led him to be incorrect each step of the way.

[mickeycrimm]

You know, I'm no coronavirus expert, either. My cousin, Ron, taught biology at the Penn State branch campus I attended for a year and a half, and I avoided even that class (he was a hard grader).

So how the hell did I call this every step of the way better than Fox News? How did I understand what was happening better than Fox News? That shouldn't happen, right? What does that say about the cumulative wisdom of the experts they assembled and the hosts' ability to process information? Or maybe they just lied.

All I know is that, when it came to COVID-19, I was way more accurate than the Fox crew. Pretty fucking sad. A reasonable person might conclude that listening to Fox results in occasional informational deficiencies.

I'm up in the air about who's smarter, me or mickey. But I've been correct the whole way. Mickey has been incorrect. The obvious difference between us on this topic is our information sources. A reasonable man might review the kinds of information that led him to be incorrect each step of the way.

How have you been correct? You were part of the 2.2 million crowd. Deny all you want but you were. You were all doom and gloom. "We're all gonna die!! We're all gonna die!!"

Why did you pick out Fox News to pick on. I remember some of Fox News saying the early numbers were way high. Was that wrong, redietz? No, it wasn't. Who stuck by those big numbers the longest? Why it was ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC. They were all blatantly wrong. Preaching doomsday. Just like you. You were all wrong.

I like what you said about a reasonable man might review the kinds of information that led him to be incorrect each step of the way. Very good advice. You should try following it.

[kewlJ]

Who says the early numbers were wrong mickey? The early numbers said if we do nothing and just go about life as usual, 2.4 million will die. But we did something. Trump listened to the medical people and came up with that 15 day plan to flatten the curve, later expanded to 30 more days. And the governors all followed. THAT is why models now say 60k deaths. It is not that the initial numbers were wrong. We (as a country) did something about it, took action that has changed the forecast. I don't know how sustainable it is, but for the time being we have changed the forecast.

[mickeycrimm]

Who says the early numbers were wrong mickey? The early numbers said if we do nothing and just go about life as usual, 2.4 million will die. But we did something. Trump listened to the medical people and came up with that 15 day plan to flatten the curve, later expanded to 30 more days. And the governors all followed. THAT is why models now say 60k deaths. It is not that the initial numbers were wrong. We (as a country) did something about it, took action that has changed the forecast. I don't know how sustainable it is, but for the time being we have changed the forecast.

So those that put the models together get a pass for not including all possible scenarios, including a shutdown, into the equation. What did they say when everything was shutdown? "Oh, damn, who'd a thought of that scenario. We got to do this thing over again. Damn, maybe next time they'll tell us."

[kewlJ]

So those that put the models together get a pass for not including all possible scenarios, including a shutdown, into the equation. What did they say when everything was shutdown? "Oh, damn, who'd a thought of that scenario. We got to do this thing over again. Damn, maybe next time they'll tell us."

That is exactly what they did, different scenarios. Check back to Trumps briefing the beginning of April when he extended the 15 day plan until the end of April. They had these different graphs showing the different scenarios. 2.4 million if we did nothing. I think it was 100k-200k is we shut everything down and stayed home another month. Trump put the "scarf" lady in charge of showing the graphs. Now that model was high because they did the model assuming not everyone would stay home. Later that week they said more people were staying home than they anticipated, so they lowered the projection to 60k.

So they did look at different scenarios. I don't know if they looked at putting everyone in a space suit and going about life as usual. That might have knocked down to zero.

Look, I am trying to give the Orange man with funny hair credit where credit is due. At the beginning of April when the initial 15 days were up, I thought and it looked like he was going to try to open things up prematurely. The business people he listens to had his ear and that's what they were telling him. To his credit he listened to the science and medical people and extended the shutdown until April 30. And that surely saved lives.

I just don't know what we do going forward. If you open everything up, how has anything changed from the initial model. You open up early and people die. You keep everything shut down and the economy goes further down the drain. I wouldn't want to be making that decision.

[mickeycrimm]

Redietz, I just remembered something. Your attack of Fox News for poo-pooing the big numbers. Tucker Carlson on Fox News was an alarmist. He believed the big numbers and said so over and over again on his show. He's just now getting around to apologizing for being so wrong. We ain't going to get one from you though.

[The Boz]

Redietz, I just remembered something. Your attack of Fox News for poo-pooing the big numbers. Tucker Carlson on Fox News was an alarmist. He believed the big numbers and said so over and over again on his show. He's just now getting around to apologizing for being so wrong. We ain't going to get one from you though.

What I’ll never understand is someone who I believe worked for everything he has, and did it his own way like Red is such a flaming liberal.

Is he now at the point where he needs government assistance? If so he should be close to collecting his SS he paid into. He should have done good on a lifetime of stock investments from his sports gambling success?

Does he think others could never do as he did? That they are too lazy to put the work in? Is he worried abortion could be outlawed and the country will be overrun with unwanted kids from irresponsible mothers?

I just can’t see how anyone who believes in the American Dream and that hard work pays off could be a liberal.

And I certainly can’t see how they are rooting for the deaths of elderly Americans with pre existing conditions just because they hate a President. Sad, just sad.

[mickeycrimm]

Tucker Carlson was pretty interesting tonight. He had a doctor on giving a coronavirus test with this new device that gives an answer in 15 minutes. Another doctor was interviewed and said these new devices need to be mass produced so all Americans can test themselves regularly. Anyone testing positive should immediately go into quarantine. As he explained its the carriers that need to be quarantined. This would not only save a lot of lives but the economy could open back up. If all Americans cooperated then no one that's a carrier would be out in public.

[Bob21]

[QUOTEkewlJ;101606] I just don't know what we do going forward. If you open everything up, how has anything changed from the initial model. You open up early and people die. You keep everything shut down and the economy goes further down the drain. I wouldn't want to be making that decision.[/QUOTE]


Kj, this is a good balanced way of looking at it. There are no easy answers. To put this in perspective, I looked up how many people die from other diseases in United States during the same time period. The two most deadly diseases in United States are cancer and heart disease, which are far, far more deadly than coronavirus.

Jeff Lancashire, a spokesperson for the National Center for Health Statistics, said in an email "that between January and April in 2018, more than 234,000 people in the United States died of heart disease and nearly 199,000 died of cancer." If I'm reading this right, this means about 440,000 people die in United States in a three month period for these two diseases. As everybody knows, during this same time period, only about 20,000 people have died from coronavirus in US.

And some of the people who are dying from heart disease are not old people. Many are middle aged. I just read an interesting article in Sports Illustrated last night about Giannis Antetokounmpo, who some call "the Greek Freak". He's an NBA player who won the MVP award last year. His dad died 3 years ago at the age of 52 of a heart attack. He had no underlining condition and was in good health. Just think if he had died from coronavirus how the press would have been all over that. I've known people in their late 40s who have died of heart attacks. Most middle age people are probably more at risk dying from a heart attack than coronavirus. I don't know this as a fact, but I expect it's true.

With Coronavirus, about 45% who get it will be assymetric (meaning no symptoms at all). Of the 55% that show systems about 90% will be mild if they are under 65. If they are under 20, they probably won't even know they got it. So only about 5% of the middle age crowd will have bad systems. Most will still make it. And very very few will die, like what happened to the Greek Freak's dad with a heart attack.

I also looked up the amount of deaths we've had so far for the common flu since Tableplay brings this up. I am also interested in this. Attached is good article on those stats https://www.health.com/condition/col...flu-every-year

From the article: "This season CDC estimates that, as of mid-March, between 29,000 and 59,000 have died due to influenza illnesses." So it looks like this year more people have died from the flu than coronavirus. Has anybody heard this mentioned by the press? I sure haven't.

None of this means I think the flu is as deadly as coronavirus. Coronavirus is worse! But it's not so bad we should have shut down our whole economy. I think Sweden got it right all along with the way they handled it. It's good to hear our great President is looking at finally opening things up. He has managed this brilliantly, considering he has to deal with our liberal press.