National Geographic is fake news.
National Geographic is fake news.
Take off that stupid mask you big baby.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
We are now past half the American deaths caused by 19 Muslims on one September morning.Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Should sprint past that 3,000 figure by 30 times or more.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
It better, otherwise it wouldn’t even be as deadly as the common flu. In 2017-2028 flu season, 61,000 people died in US. I got my numbers from cdc.gov (center for disease control and prevention). The death total for conoravirus in United States are still 58,000 less than we saw in 2017 for the flu. I get it’s worse than the flu and the numbers are going to continue to rise.Originally Posted by redietz
It's despicable the glee you take in peoples deaths. I don't understand how you can hate to the degree you do.Originally Posted by redietz
Take off that stupid mask you big baby.
Originally Posted by quahaugIt's despicable the glee you take in peoples deaths. I don't understand how you can hate to the degree you do.Originally Posted by redietz
If I hated people, I wouldn't be on here emphasizing how bad this is going to be. This site, if you'll notice, is filled with deniers and people who take non-experts' opinions over experts'.
I'm trying to get people to wake up a day, two days, a week ahead of what they might otherwise do if they listened to the optimistic posts on this site. Cut off the social interaction, jam your optimism, and be prepared. I've been ahead of the curve because I've read the international papers for months and have some sense of what a pandemic is, partly because my late wife's research had to do with Native Americans at time of contact, when they were wiped out by pandemics.
The last 36 hours point towards this being far, far worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it would be horrendous.
Lucky you.
Take off that stupid mask you big baby.
Not much anyone can really do.
Stock Up, Pray and most likely comply.
Compliance can only go so far for some people though.
Nobody on this site has any control over this including myself.
Scary stuff in Rhode Island though going door to door to locate New Yorkers lol.
Seems like States are about to be waging war on one another.
Nevada is one of the last hold outs for mandates.
I am looking forward to the 120 degree summer.
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...ng-new-yorkers
SOOPOO is a doctor who is either retired or close to it. He's responding to redietz:Originally Posted by redietzOriginally Posted by quahaugIt's despicable the glee you take in peoples deaths. I don't understand how you can hate to the degree you do.Originally Posted by redietz
If I hated people, I wouldn't be on here emphasizing how bad this is going to be. This site, if you'll notice, is filled with deniers and people who take non-experts' opinions over experts'.
I'm trying to get people to wake up a day, two days, a week ahead of what they might otherwise do if they listened to the optimistic posts on this site. Cut off the social interaction, jam your optimism, and be prepared. I've been ahead of the curve because I've read the international papers for months and have some sense of what a pandemic is, partly because my late wife's research had to do with Native Americans at time of contact, when they were wiped out by pandemics.
The last 36 hours point towards this being far, far worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it would be horrendous.
Last edited by mickeycrimm; 03-29-2020 at 01:41 AM.
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Zev Zalenko, a prominent New York doctors says he is up to 699 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine with no deaths or intubations.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
The bluest states seem to be the most into controlling people. It doesn't help that our governor is a control freak woman. She comes on the radio every day to blather away so that's when I shut it off. I don't think the check ups are random as there are a lot of empty neighborhoods in some towns on the beach. I'm sure the cops notice some of the comings and goings of the New Yorkers and are giving them a welcome back visit. There are way more people from Connecticut with summer homes though.Originally Posted by monet
Take off that stupid mask you big baby.
Originally Posted by redietzOriginally Posted by quahaugIt's despicable the glee you take in peoples deaths. I don't understand how you can hate to the degree you do.Originally Posted by redietz
If I hated people, I wouldn't be on here emphasizing how bad this is going to be. This site, if you'll notice, is filled with deniers and people who take non-experts' opinions over experts'.
I'm trying to get people to wake up a day, two days, a week ahead of what they might otherwise do if they listened to the optimistic posts on this site. Cut off the social interaction, jam your optimism, and be prepared. I've been ahead of the curve because I've read the international papers for months and have some sense of what a pandemic is, partly because my late wife's research had to do with Native Americans at time of contact, when they were wiped out by pandemics.
The last 36 hours point towards this being far, far worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it would be horrendous.
Twenty minutes ago, Dr. Fauci reported that previous projections were low, and that he expected between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths, but he didn't want to be held to that. The frightening aspect of this is that at each step, we have been given underestimations.
I watched an interview last night with one of South Korea's leading epidemiologists, who gives a Dragnet-style interview. Very matter of fact. It's subtitled. Some of his key points: wearing masks has no down side, and the recommendation to not wear them probably has more to do with medical professionals in the U.S. needing them as opposed to efficacy of the masks. He also says a country like South Korea would normally need 10 years to develop a practical working vaccine, but the U.S., if everything goes absolutely perfectly, may be able to do it in 18 months. He also says the U.S. and Europe appeared overconfident regarding the virus and cultural differences make it hard for the U.S. to respond optimally.
I recommend the interview.
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmSOOPOO is a doctor who is either retired or close to it. He's responding to redietz:Originally Posted by redietzOriginally Posted by quahaug
If I hated people, I wouldn't be on here emphasizing how bad this is going to be. This site, if you'll notice, is filled with deniers and people who take non-experts' opinions over experts'.
I'm trying to get people to wake up a day, two days, a week ahead of what they might otherwise do if they listened to the optimistic posts on this site. Cut off the social interaction, jam your optimism, and be prepared. I've been ahead of the curve because I've read the international papers for months and have some sense of what a pandemic is, partly because my late wife's research had to do with Native Americans at time of contact, when they were wiped out by pandemics.
The last 36 hours point towards this being far, far worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it would be horrendous.
Mickey, I don't know why you even bothered with this. This is what's called a false equivalency. I wasn't comparing socialized medicine anywhere with the U.S. for-profit system. I was paraphrasing multiple doctors who were explaining publicly why there was a shortfall of equipment in the U.S. when the U.S. is such a rich country. And the answer is that for-profits have no motive to stockpile equipment that will be in use only for emergencies. The military, for example, isn't for-profit, so it can stockpile equipment that may only be used in very rare circumstances or never. For-profit models don't allow for that unless subsidized by the federal government, in which case they are really not pure for-profits. They are socialized. The point the doctors were making is that if U.S. medicine was a more socialized model, the U.S. would have more emergency supplies, including ventilators, ready in a national stockpile.
What you’re missing is our for-profit system gives much better health care than all the socialist European systems. That’s why most of the wealthy in Europe and Canada come to US when they need health care. Check the stastics with the Canadians. They are flocking over here, because they can’t get decent health care in their own government controlled system.Originally Posted by redietzOriginally Posted by mickeycrimmSOOPOO is a doctor who is either retired or close to it. He's responding to redietz:Originally Posted by redietz
Mickey, I don't know why you even bothered with this. This is what's called a false equivalency. I wasn't comparing socialized medicine anywhere with the U.S. for-profit system. I was paraphrasing multiple doctors who were explaining publicly why there was a shortfall of equipment in the U.S. when the U.S. is such a rich country. And the answer is that for-profits have no motive to stockpile equipment that will be in use only for emergencies. The military, for example, isn't for-profit, so it can stockpile equipment that may only be used in very rare circumstances or never. For-profit models don't allow for that unless subsidized by the federal government, in which case they are really not pure for-profits. They are socialized. The point the doctors were making is that if U.S. medicine was a more socialized model, the U.S. would have more emergency supplies, including ventilators, ready in a national stockpile.
As far as these countries that have socialist health care, they were NO better prepared than us. You think some government agency is going to know what to stock pile? They barely know how to deliver the mail. Our country is doing a much better job scaling up and providing what’s necessary during this crises than all these other socialist countries. Take a look at Italy, if you want to see a failed socialist health care system.
No system is prefect, but ours is a lot better than most. Liberals are not going to be happy until everybody gets the worse health care possible, supplied and managed by our government. Liberals won’t even be happy then, because they are just a unhappy group, always finding something to complain about.
Do you mean like the European countries with their socialized medicine were all stocked up for the virus? Then why are countries like Italy and Spain letting old folks die without treatment?Originally Posted by redietzOriginally Posted by mickeycrimmSOOPOO is a doctor who is either retired or close to it. He's responding to redietz:Originally Posted by redietz
Mickey, I don't know why you even bothered with this. This is what's called a false equivalency. I wasn't comparing socialized medicine anywhere with the U.S. for-profit system. I was paraphrasing multiple doctors who were explaining publicly why there was a shortfall of equipment in the U.S. when the U.S. is such a rich country. And the answer is that for-profits have no motive to stockpile equipment that will be in use only for emergencies. The military, for example, isn't for-profit, so it can stockpile equipment that may only be used in very rare circumstances or never. For-profit models don't allow for that unless subsidized by the federal government, in which case they are really not pure for-profits. They are socialized. The point the doctors were making is that if U.S. medicine was a more socialized model, the U.S. would have more emergency supplies, including ventilators, ready in a national stockpile.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Nancy Pelosi just said Trump denied the coronavirus. Nancy Pelosi went into Chinatown San Francisco on Feb 24 to show support and asked people to come on down when crowds didn't show up. There's a hell of a lot more people to blame than just Donald Trump. And Pelosi is one of them.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...&hsimp=yhs-102
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"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
One positive note on the coronavirus. The social distancing, shutdown, has positive tests for the flu declining:
https://t.co/4qk6TO7W6h?amp=1https:/...k6TO7W6h?amp=1
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDo you mean like the European countries with their socialized medicine were all stocked up for the virus? Then why are countries like Italy and Spain letting old folks die without treatment?Originally Posted by redietzOriginally Posted by mickeycrimm
Mickey, I don't know why you even bothered with this. This is what's called a false equivalency. I wasn't comparing socialized medicine anywhere with the U.S. for-profit system. I was paraphrasing multiple doctors who were explaining publicly why there was a shortfall of equipment in the U.S. when the U.S. is such a rich country. And the answer is that for-profits have no motive to stockpile equipment that will be in use only for emergencies. The military, for example, isn't for-profit, so it can stockpile equipment that may only be used in very rare circumstances or never. For-profit models don't allow for that unless subsidized by the federal government, in which case they are really not pure for-profits. They are socialized. The point the doctors were making is that if U.S. medicine was a more socialized model, the U.S. would have more emergency supplies, including ventilators, ready in a national stockpile.
You are trying to make the case that the United States, with its resources and history and personnel, would have a significantly inferior health care system if it were operating on more socialized models. One could make the exact opposite claim, that the more socialized health care systems of a place like Italy would provide better care if it had the resources, history, and personnel of the United States.
The countries, their history, and their personnel, are not equivalent. Their GDPs are not equivalent. Their tech is not necessarily equivalent.
You are trying to say that the usually fine U.S. health care system is what it is because it's for-profit, not because of it's resources, history, tech, and personnel. You are trying, at the same time, to argue that the failures of the health care system at this time are somehow not a result of the for-profit model.
What the doctors were saying is that the for-profit model of the United States is the reason supplies were short. because, for all of the resources and riches of the U.S., there is no motivation for companies to stockpile rarely needed resources for emergencies. This is unlike the military, which is not for-profit, and which routinely does research and stocks munitions that are rarely and sometimes never used. In this case, as with most emergencies of this nature, a more socialized model would have been better prepared with supplies and ventilators.
It was increasingly obvious that, this century, at some point and probably multiple points, the for-profit health care system in the U.S. was going to face these threats, in which a military model would have done significantly better than a for-profit model. It was inevitable.
Some of you seem to be feel threatened anytime the word "socialized" is inserted in a sentence. Maybe the word "military" would be better. The U.S. health care system would have been better served for COVID-19, and will be better served for future pandemics, with a military not-for-profit model.
Last edited by redietz; 03-30-2020 at 08:03 AM.
200,000 deaths? Why that's, that's, that's six one-hundreths of 1% of the American population. It's doomsday I tell you. We're all gonna die!!! How can America survive? We can't. This is the end, folks. Been good to know ya.Originally Posted by redietzOriginally Posted by redietzOriginally Posted by quahaug
If I hated people, I wouldn't be on here emphasizing how bad this is going to be. This site, if you'll notice, is filled with deniers and people who take non-experts' opinions over experts'.
I'm trying to get people to wake up a day, two days, a week ahead of what they might otherwise do if they listened to the optimistic posts on this site. Cut off the social interaction, jam your optimism, and be prepared. I've been ahead of the curve because I've read the international papers for months and have some sense of what a pandemic is, partly because my late wife's research had to do with Native Americans at time of contact, when they were wiped out by pandemics.
The last 36 hours point towards this being far, far worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it would be horrendous.
Twenty minutes ago, Dr. Fauci reported that previous projections were low, and that he expected between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths, but he didn't want to be held to that. The frightening aspect of this is that at each step, we have been given underestimations.
I watched an interview last night with one of South Korea's leading epidemiologists, who gives a Dragnet-style interview. Very matter of fact. It's subtitled. Some of his key points: wearing masks has no down side, and the recommendation to not wear them probably has more to do with medical professionals in the U.S. needing them as opposed to efficacy of the masks. He also says a country like South Korea would normally need 10 years to develop a practical working vaccine, but the U.S., if everything goes absolutely perfectly, may be able to do it in 18 months. He also says the U.S. and Europe appeared overconfident regarding the virus and cultural differences make it hard for the U.S. to respond optimally.
I recommend the interview.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
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