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    Mickey, I don't know why you even bothered with this. This is what's called a false equivalency. I wasn't comparing socialized medicine anywhere with the U.S. for-profit system. I was paraphrasing multiple doctors who were explaining publicly why there was a shortfall of equipment in the U.S. when the U.S. is such a rich country. And the answer is that for-profits have no motive to stockpile equipment that will be in use only for emergencies. The military, for example, isn't for-profit, so it can stockpile equipment that may only be used in very rare circumstances or never. For-profit models don't allow for that unless subsidized by the federal government, in which case they are really not pure for-profits. They are socialized. The point the doctors were making is that if U.S. medicine was a more socialized model, the U.S. would have more emergency supplies, including ventilators, ready in a national stockpile.
    Do you mean like the European countries with their socialized medicine were all stocked up for the virus? Then why are countries like Italy and Spain letting old folks die without treatment?

    You are trying to make the case that the United States, with its resources and history and personnel, would have a significantly inferior health care system if it were operating on more socialized models. One could make the exact opposite claim, that the more socialized health care systems of a place like Italy would provide better care if it had the resources, history, and personnel of the United States.

    The countries, their history, and their personnel, are not equivalent. Their GDPs are not equivalent. Their tech is not necessarily equivalent.

    You are trying to say that the usually fine U.S. health care system is what it is because it's for-profit, not because of it's resources, history, tech, and personnel. You are trying, at the same time, to argue that the failures of the health care system at this time are somehow not a result of the for-profit model.

    What the doctors were saying is that the for-profit model of the United States is the reason supplies were short. because, for all of the resources and riches of the U.S., there is no motivation for companies to stockpile rarely needed resources for emergencies. This is unlike the military, which is not for-profit, and which routinely does research and stocks munitions that are rarely and sometimes never used. In this case, as with most emergencies of this nature, a more socialized model would have been better prepared with supplies and ventilators.

    It was increasingly obvious that, this century, at some point and probably multiple points, the for-profit health care system in the U.S. was going to face these threats, in which a military model would have done significantly better than a for-profit model. It was inevitable.

    Some of you seem to be feel threatened anytime the word "socialized" is inserted in a sentence. Maybe the word "military" would be better. The U.S. health care system would have been better served for COVID-19, and will be better served for future pandemics, with a military not-for-profit model.
    Then you are blaming former presidents who could have done something to stockpile. For Profit didn't fail us. Our political leaders failed us. You are scapegoating For Profit.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    https://www.foxnews.com/world/wuhan-...na-dont-add-up

    Somehow this does not surprise me.
    Keep your friends close, keep your drinks closer...

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    Half the U.S. cases are in New York/New Jersey. We should be able to get an idea of how well the country can handle the virus by watching those two states and how well they respond to it. See if any shortages materialize.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    We get an idea of what's coming by reviewing what happened in China.

    I don't think that it's a matter of the virus going away, and, then, staying away, but, of more of how much "social distancing" is required to keep it away. Time will tell.

    I read, today, that there are four other types and degrees of coronavirus that we live with. These produce only common cold symptoms. So far, there is a vaccine for none of these.

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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
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    I haven't seen anything on Republicans trying to get pork in the bill. Got a link? I'm not beyond agreeing with Dems. Like Sisolak. At first I was against his banning of hydroxychloroquine. I found out it was still okay to use in hospitals and his move was to protect the supply from hoarding by doctors for themselves, family and friends which was causing shortages. I even posted up online that I agreed with Sisolak.

    Do you remember H1N1? It hit in April, 2009. Infected 60 million Americans. 17,000 died. Obama didn't declare an emergency until October after 1100 people died. He never put on a travel ban. He didn't shut down the economy. He received great praise from the media for his handling of the virus. The truth is Obama didn't deserve any praise at all.
    To put things in proper mathematical context, the current U.S. death projection for this is 80,000 if current restrictions are tightened up.
    I think you better take a look at the new models.

    https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrW...0ZLgKvQ_SGm1g-

    Just a reminder about using outlier studies to make arguments. The Stanford study, which assuredly was well done, had results not in line with virtually all of the other studies' conclusions. To pluck this particular study out and use it to make a case for something demonstrates the problems of sampling bias and confirmation bias.

    Now if mickey had seen outlier numbers for slot results or sports handicapping results, he would never have plucked those outlier results as evidence of anything. Yet he chose to post the Stanford projection, even though it was out of line with any other projections at the time.

    The fatality projections here turned out to be clearly wrong by a wide margin. This is usually what happens when you highlight outlier results.

    In science, enough studies are done on virtually every topic, some published, most not, that if you pick and choose to make a case for anything, you can pretty much do it. Pigs can fly if you push them off a cliff and end the study before they hit the ground.

  6. #86
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    To put things in proper mathematical context, the current U.S. death projection for this is 80,000 if current restrictions are tightened up.
    I think you better take a look at the new models.

    https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrW...0ZLgKvQ_SGm1g-

    Just a reminder about using outlier studies to make arguments. The Stanford study, which assuredly was well done, had results not in line with virtually all of the other studies' conclusions. To pluck this particular study out and use it to make a case for something demonstrates the problems of sampling bias and confirmation bias.

    Now if mickey had seen outlier numbers for slot results or sports handicapping results, he would never have plucked those outlier results as evidence of anything. Yet he chose to post the Stanford projection, even though it was out of line with any other projections at the time.

    The fatality projections here turned out to be clearly wrong by a wide margin. This is usually what happens when you highlight outlier results.

    In science, enough studies are done on virtually every topic, some published, most not, that if you pick and choose to make a case for anything, you can pretty much do it. Pigs can fly if you push them off a cliff and end the study before they hit the ground.

    99+% of the population has NO risk from CV other than getting sick. Still comes down to you wanting the country shut down, the economy ruined and people’s lives ruined for YOUR selfish reasons.

    How are your PPP claims coming for your business? How much Stimulus did you get get. Have you filed for Unemployment and how much are you getting?

    Other than your fringe political views, money has to be the only other reason you have went off the rails like this. As I still don’t think you are mentally ill, there is no other possibilities.

    Face it, the scam is over and people are coming out. Tattoos in Georgia, beaches in Florida, Alabama and Mississippi. Casinos and bars in Montana. People are seeing this for what it was, a scam that sadly killed some high risk individuals just like the Flu does every year.

    And it ended up a media hoax, not a first because we didn’t know, but now it is a hoax how they are using it to push an agenda.

    I look forward to posting my flight details and pictures next week and showing “We have nothing to fear but Fear itself”. And Lazy Liberals of course, but that probably is obvious.

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    If nothing else, this CV bs has exposed redietz for what he truly is. I'm glad others are able to see it. His constant referencing of "university professors" has always handicapped his abilities. What he was really saying is how liberals should run the world without opposition. And his constant cheering for the bad state of affairs we're facing as a country right now points directly to his anger over his pending financial doom.

    He's just plain weird.

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    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    In science, enough studies are done on virtually every topic, some published, most not, that if you pick and choose to make a case for anything, you can pretty much do it. Pigs can fly if you push them off a cliff and end the study before they hit the ground.
    Lots of "pigs" flying around here with absolutely no chance of finding the ground.

    All we really need to know here is how desperate Trump gets. The more idiotically desperate, then the worse off we all are. Geeze, why is he so desperate?

    Could it be that the "best" disease is one that only looks like a hoax?
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    Shut it down, LMR. = Low Mind thRust, (invar.)

    555 = 111 + 4*111 = 15*37, or 37*15, as 153, and 7, or, 371, and 5. As 153 on 371, to 5/7 left, as 6 +/- 1.

    3/21 to 8/22 is 153 + 1 days. 321 = 107*3 + 0; 123 = 3*71 + 0. To 1/0. 822 = (-1 + 7)(37 + 100); 228 = 57[6 - (1 + 1)], ---> 11411. 15[3^2] = 153 + (5 + 1). 154 days is ~ 42.08% of year 2020. 451 = 11*41^1.

  9. #89
    Originally Posted by LMR View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    In science, enough studies are done on virtually every topic, some published, most not, that if you pick and choose to make a case for anything, you can pretty much do it. Pigs can fly if you push them off a cliff and end the study before they hit the ground.
    Lots of "pigs" flying around here with absolutely no chance of finding the ground.

    All we really need to know here is how desperate Trump gets. The more idiotically desperate, then the worse off we all are. Geeze, why is he so desperate?

    Could it be that the "best" disease is one that only looks like a hoax?
    Sir, you`re one of the weirdest MF`rs I`ve ever seen on any forum

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    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    In science, enough studies are done on virtually every topic, some published, most not, that if you pick and choose to make a case for anything, you can pretty much do it. Pigs can fly if you push them off a cliff and end the study before they hit the ground.
    Redietz, I’m going to have to disagree with you on this one. Obviously, we can twist statistics to fit whatever case we want to make. But true science does not work that way. We would not have automobiles, planes, electricity, etc is “science” worked that way.

    About that pig “flying” before he goes splat. Lol. It doesn’t matter how you designed an experiment or when we start or stop measuring the “flight” of the pig to the ground, most scientists would NOT define “flying” when talking about pigs.

    “Flying” is not something that occurrs when something happens to be in the air when you measure it. If that’s the case, I’m flying (for a couple milseconds) every time I jump rope.

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    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Originally Posted by LMR View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    In science, enough studies are done on virtually every topic, some published, most not, that if you pick and choose to make a case for anything, you can pretty much do it. Pigs can fly if you push them off a cliff and end the study before they hit the ground.
    Lots of "pigs" flying around here with absolutely no chance of finding the ground.

    All we really need to know here is how desperate Trump gets. The more idiotically desperate, then the worse off we all are. Geeze, why is he so desperate?

    Could it be that the "best" disease is one that only looks like a hoax?
    Sir, you`re one of the weirdest MF`rs I`ve ever seen on any forum
    Alex: Mr. Weirdest MF on any forum, you control the board. Which category would you like, next?

    Mr. Weirdest MF on any forum: Alex, I'll take Trump images for a 100.

    Alex: Mr. Weirdest MF on any forum, here're Trump images for a 100. Take your time, and, good luck.

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    Mr. Weirdest MF on any forum: Well, Alex, "What's comes to Hillary Clinton's mind when she thinks about a sack-of-shit riding a fucking stupid cunt?"

    Alex: Ah, I'm sorry, no, Mr. Weirdest MF on any forum.

    Mr. Weirdest MF on any forum: But, Alex, but, Alex....

    Alex: Mr. Weirdest MF on any forum, the correct question was, "What comes to mind when you think about Hillary Clinton while holding your dick?"

    Mr. Weirdest MF on any forum: But, Alex, but, Alex...



    Last edited by LMR; 04-24-2020 at 02:31 PM.
    Lustin' lutins (from) NUTS:LI (Lichtenstein), unlist insult, until's sunlit!


    p
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    taRd

    ---> MR. L(osing).


    Shut it down, LMR. = Low Mind thRust, (invar.)

    555 = 111 + 4*111 = 15*37, or 37*15, as 153, and 7, or, 371, and 5. As 153 on 371, to 5/7 left, as 6 +/- 1.

    3/21 to 8/22 is 153 + 1 days. 321 = 107*3 + 0; 123 = 3*71 + 0. To 1/0. 822 = (-1 + 7)(37 + 100); 228 = 57[6 - (1 + 1)], ---> 11411. 15[3^2] = 153 + (5 + 1). 154 days is ~ 42.08% of year 2020. 451 = 11*41^1.

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    Looks like redietz's ineffective oddball style has rubbed off on this freak LMR.

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    Whatever you say, Rob.
    Lustin' lutins (from) NUTS:LI (Lichtenstein), unlist insult, until's sunlit!


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    ---> MR. L(osing).


    Shut it down, LMR. = Low Mind thRust, (invar.)

    555 = 111 + 4*111 = 15*37, or 37*15, as 153, and 7, or, 371, and 5. As 153 on 371, to 5/7 left, as 6 +/- 1.

    3/21 to 8/22 is 153 + 1 days. 321 = 107*3 + 0; 123 = 3*71 + 0. To 1/0. 822 = (-1 + 7)(37 + 100); 228 = 57[6 - (1 + 1)], ---> 11411. 15[3^2] = 153 + (5 + 1). 154 days is ~ 42.08% of year 2020. 451 = 11*41^1.

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    It didn't take much.

    You know what you are.

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    Oh, my. Rob Singer knows what I am. Hehehe.
    Lustin' lutins (from) NUTS:LI (Lichtenstein), unlist insult, until's sunlit!


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    ---> MR. L(osing).


    Shut it down, LMR. = Low Mind thRust, (invar.)

    555 = 111 + 4*111 = 15*37, or 37*15, as 153, and 7, or, 371, and 5. As 153 on 371, to 5/7 left, as 6 +/- 1.

    3/21 to 8/22 is 153 + 1 days. 321 = 107*3 + 0; 123 = 3*71 + 0. To 1/0. 822 = (-1 + 7)(37 + 100); 228 = 57[6 - (1 + 1)], ---> 11411. 15[3^2] = 153 + (5 + 1). 154 days is ~ 42.08% of year 2020. 451 = 11*41^1.

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    When LMR was Bill Yung he was kinda cool with math and coded messages.
    He must have cabin fever as LMR because he has completely changed.
    Last edited by monet; 04-24-2020 at 06:59 PM.

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    Better an asshole that changes than one who lives inside itself.
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    ---> MR. L(osing).


    Shut it down, LMR. = Low Mind thRust, (invar.)

    555 = 111 + 4*111 = 15*37, or 37*15, as 153, and 7, or, 371, and 5. As 153 on 371, to 5/7 left, as 6 +/- 1.

    3/21 to 8/22 is 153 + 1 days. 321 = 107*3 + 0; 123 = 3*71 + 0. To 1/0. 822 = (-1 + 7)(37 + 100); 228 = 57[6 - (1 + 1)], ---> 11411. 15[3^2] = 153 + (5 + 1). 154 days is ~ 42.08% of year 2020. 451 = 11*41^1.

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    Better an asshole that changes than one who lives inside itself.
    Not if you change into a bigger asshole.

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    Better an asshole that changes than one who lives inside itself.
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