View Poll Results: do you beleive MDawg's baccarat play is a longterm winning strategy

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  1. #1
    So a while back after years of listening to Singer's claim based on alternative reality, I posted a poll asking who found him credible. The results were overwhelming that even on this forum of deniers and conspiracy theorists, almost no one found Singer to be credible.

    So I am wondering the same thing about MDawg. Just like Singer, his claims fly in the face of mathematics. And just like Singer, he appears to be using some sort of progressive wagering to overcome negative EV, which it simply cannot do. Not in the long term.

    Now from the "discussion" in the MDawg thread, we can already see support from Coach Belly and Blackhole, making it likely MDawg is going to fare better than Singer. Also, MDawg hasn't been lying to us for decades about everything under the sun, so he may get more benefit of the doubt.

    One final thing. This is not about whether MDawg's trip last month or whenever it was, was or wasn't the winning trip that he claims. In my mind it probably was. The question of this poll is whether you believe Mdawgs claim that is has a winning (betting) system that defies the mathematics longterm?

  2. #2
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    So a while back after years of listening to Singer's claim based on alternative reality, I posted a poll asking who found him credible. The results were overwhelming that even on this forum of deniers and conspiracy theorists, almost no one found Singer to be credible.

    So I am wondering the same thing about MDawg. Just like Singer, his claims fly in the face of mathematics. And just like Singer, he appears to be using some sort of progressive wagering to overcome negative EV, which it simply cannot do. Not in the long term.

    Now from the "discussion" in the MDawg thread, we can already see support from Coach Belly and Blackhole, making it likely MDawg is going to fare better than Singer. Also, MDawg hasn't been lying to us for decades about everything under the sun, so he may get more benefit of the doubt.

    One final thing. This is not about whether MDawg's trip last month or whenever it was, was or wasn't the winning trip that he claims. In my mind it probably was. The question of this poll is whether you believe Mdawgs claim that is has a winning (betting) system that defies the mathematics longterm?
    Yes, I believe it. In fact Mdawg has won LOTS of times and only lost a handful of times. So, I voted "Yes," to your question.
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  3. #3
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Yes, I believe it. In fact Mdawg has won LOTS of times and only lost a handful of times. So, I voted "Yes," to your question.
    Don't give up your day job.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  4. #4
    It depends how much value you put on ribs as to the determination of "long term winner." As the days pass, those ribs are going to be worth more and more.

    Seriously, the thing about anonymous posting. Anyone can claim they are doing anything. Now let me give you an example of how this anonymity can screw up language and communication.

    "MDawg" is a fictional character. Maybe the person who posts as MDawg is one person. Maybe it's more than one person. Maybe "MDawg" is a subset of someone who is also posting under other names. So the exploits of "MDawg" could be total fiction, or maybe they are just the gambling adventures of the originating person or people when that person wins. And maybe the losing adventures get filed under another name or, more likely, not filed at all. Maybe "MDawg" is a moniker assigned after the fact to a winning session. Maybe he spices it up with "whatever happens on Tuesday is also MDawg." If you put a legal question to him in court, then "Does MDawg win?" the answer would be affirmative. If you put the same question to the originating person as to whether they themselves win overall, it's a different answer.

    That's the problem with anonymous posting. I get a kick out of all of the people horrified at doxing. What are you, children wearing masks at recess? This isn't Communist China. If you have something to say, why not just say it, as you have to do when you do research or write a letter to the editor?

    When "Rob Singer" or MDawg" post something, your default should be that it's fiction. If it were real, they'd be posting under their real name and taking responsibility for it.

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    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    When "Rob Singer" or MDawg" post something, your default should be that it's fiction. If it were real, they'd be posting under their real name and taking responsibility for it.
    Responding, again, to only the last line, I have to say that Donald Trump has no trouble with putting his name behind romper room stuff.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    we can already see support from Coach Belly and Blackhole, making it likely MDawg is going to fare better than Singer.
    I don't participate in the forum polls.

  7. #7
    "MDawg" is a fictional character. Maybe the person who posts as MDawg is one person. Maybe it's more than one person. Maybe "MDawg" is a subset of someone who is also posting under other names. So the exploits of "MDawg" could be total fiction, or maybe they are just the gambling adventures of the originating person or people when that person wins.

    Ok, Red, now the real question: All options are on the table; one person developed another individual, numerous individuals developed one individual, and/or one individual has morphed into numerous identities.

    The public is curious; do you believe the Mdawg persona is based on Creation or Evolution?

    In advance, apologies to MCAP for cross referencing threads.

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    It depends how much value you put on ribs as to the determination of "long term winner." As the days pass, those ribs are going to be worth more and more.

    Seriously, the thing about anonymous posting. Anyone can claim they are doing anything. Now let me give you an example of how this anonymity can screw up language and communication.

    "MDawg" is a fictional character. Maybe the person who posts as MDawg is one person. Maybe it's more than one person. Maybe "MDawg" is a subset of someone who is also posting under other names. So the exploits of "MDawg" could be total fiction, or maybe they are just the gambling adventures of the originating person or people when that person wins. And maybe the losing adventures get filed under another name or, more likely, not filed at all. Maybe "MDawg" is a moniker assigned after the fact to a winning session. Maybe he spices it up with "whatever happens on Tuesday is also MDawg." If you put a legal question to him in court, then "Does MDawg win?" the answer would be affirmative. If you put the same question to the originating person as to whether they themselves win overall, it's a different answer.

    That's the problem with anonymous posting. I get a kick out of all of the people horrified at doxing. What are you, children wearing masks at recess? This isn't Communist China. If you have something to say, why not just say it, as you have to do when you do research or write a letter to the editor?

    When "Rob Singer" or MDawg" post something, your default should be that it's fiction. If it were real, they'd be posting under their real name and taking responsibility for it.
    Redietz, I want to respond to a couple of your questions and thoughts from my perspective. First doxing: I know I myself consider you an AP because you are doing what you do to play with an advantage. That said, you are a very different than most of us other AP's. We are at war with the casino industry and battle daily just to be able to play. Card counters have been in this battle for decades, for machine type players it is more recent. The casinos want to identify us and stop us from playing. And they go to extremes that you might not think like monitoring the message boards.

    Now understand when I say casinos, I am talking about the industry. I am not saying Sam's town here in Vegas employs someone that does nothing but infiltrate different forums, but the industry does, including and especially the database companies. If you don't believe me and this sounds far fetched and paranoid, ask Dan Druff (if he ever shows up here again). Dan will tell you that people associated with the casino industry monitor this forum. He has said it before. Stanford Wong at BJ21, acknowledged for decades that casino personnel monitored and even participated. That has also been acknowledged at WoV, with some casino personnel openly participating.

    So participating using our real names, as Rob challenges, could be a fatal mistake for any AP. We are forces to protect our identity. As a matter of fact anyone that is not protective of their identity like a Rob Singer, is another strike against him. It makes it hard to accept that he is a winning player.

    Now I understand that even though I consider you under the umbrella of AP's, what you do is very different, so maybe you are not aware that for most of us, doxing, can be fatal. It can be career ending or severely damaging.


    Point 2: as for MDawg being a work of fiction. That is fine if that is what it is. That is actually exactly what most of us believe. The problem is that AP's believe in the math. When someone comes along claiming to defy the math, we get a little ruffled. And some of us get concerned that this "fiction" will mislead and harm others. So we call them out.

    So this is actually why I posted this poll. I thought it might show, both Mdawg and those that continue to fight with him, that really there aren't many people that really believe this nonsense, so there is no reason to get so riled up. I mean that is exactly what my Rob Singer polls showed....showed that no one really believes Rob's claims, so really no need to get all worked up about it. So now when Rob's narcissism and need for attention starts to get the best of him and he starts posting his nonsense, I can simply remind him that the polls show no one believes him. He is convincing no one. It's just make believe for the benefit of himself and his need for attention.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    He is convincing no one.
    You convinced me to vote.

    There's no question that MDawg's baccarat play is a longterm winning strategy for him.

    And, once the casinos open again, I will be employing both MDawg's baccarat strategy, and Rob Singer's VP strategies, as I understand them.

    You can all look forward to me posting many trip reports with documents, photos and videos to display my winnings.

    I'll even invite Axel to let me bankroll him and let him keep half the winnings.

    I only wish I was there to watch tickey's head explode.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    He is convincing no one.
    You convinced me to vote.

    There's no question that MDawg's baccarat play is a longterm winning strategy for him.

    And, once the casinos open again, I will be employing both MDawg's baccarat strategy, and Rob Singer's VP strategies, as I understand them.

    You can all look forward to me posting many trip reports with documents, photos and videos to display my winnings.

    I'll even invite Axel to let me bankroll him and let him keep half the winnings.

    I only wish I was there to watch tickey's head explode.
    One of the problems with this exercise is that some of the membership of this forum have an agenda that prevents them from being honest. Coach Belly, I believe that is you. You are so anti-AP that you will take any position against what most AP's take and at any given time against the particular AP that you are fighting with most intently at any given moment. In this case that is Mickeycrimm. Please don't do the disservice of denying this, as it is very obvious from your many posts including above. If Mickey said the sky is blue and the grass green, you would take an opposing opinion.

    Maybe I give you too much credit, but personally, I believe you are far too smart to believe nonsense like MDawg and Rob Singer's claims. That leads me to believe your only intent is to troll, coach belly.

    The second issue with such a poll and one I had particular concerns about with the Rob Singer poll is stacking the ballot box (with sock puppets). I mean someone like a Tasha, has admitted doing just that in a poll at WoV about me that I wasn't even aware of. And Singer himself has a long history of sockpuppetry, so I feared that from him. To his credit, he did not do that. In this situation, I wondered if people like MDawg or tasha would do that. I tried to get around this by choosing the option that we would see how different members voted, so we could see if some new members who joined today were voting. Despite choosing this option, I don't see where we see that?? Am I missing something? Because there have been several new members join today, which is unusual for this forum.

  11. #11
    Kew, you once again started another foolish thread predicated on another one of your lies. You've never seen me say "my vp strategy is a math-beating, long-term strategy". That's what internet hacks like you and redietz like to claim because you never read everything and red walks around with a hard-on for me.
    And do either of you think it's just "coincidence" that both your life partners were snatched from living after you go around perpetuating constant lies about yourselves and others? You think there are no consequences for such treachery?

    The truth about my strategy is that it is a rock solid, 85% of sessions played winner, and because of the occasional huge jackpot winners and how most losing sessions are relatively low four-figured losers, the strategy wins overall.

    This has proven too much for you to comprehend because all you know is how to repeat what you read on the internet....while red has his imaginary "university professors" that drive his life.

    Wise up.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    You are so anti-AP that you will take any position against what most AP's take
    No I'm not anti-AP.

    I'm not even aware of who is an AP, or how I could establish that anyone is an AP.

    I just disagree with the notion that it's impossible for MDawg to have won playing baccarat without explaining his mathematical advantage, or for Rob Singer to have won at VP without using the double-up bug.

  13. #13
    I'm the unsure guy, cause we really don't know triggers, there is no template to evaluate.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Yes, I believe it. In fact Mdawg has won LOTS of times and only lost a handful of times. So, I voted "Yes," to your question.
    Don't give up your day job.
    Do you see how much wins he has posted? He clearly posts like $15,000 wins constantly after only playing like $5,000. And when he DOES lose, he wins it back. Mdawg is in the BLACK, not the RED.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zk2WAFzDcrJ7pjNB7

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  15. #15
    Originally Posted by House of Orange View Post
    I'm the unsure guy, cause we really don't know triggers, there is no template to evaluate.
    I can appreciate this point of view. I too tried really hard to give him the benefit of doubt, thinking maybe he was doing something that allowed him to play with an advantage that he wasn't sharing. I asked about this probably a dozen times, begging him to tell us. He just keep going back to vague descriptions of progressing betting. And that is not going to result in the what he claims.

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    He just keep going back to vague descriptions of progressing betting. And that is not going to result in the what he claims.
    This is the notion that I disagree with...that something mathematically possible will not happen or could not have happened.

    If it did happen, then it can be shown to have happened.

    Some members disagree that it can be shown to have happened, they must watch it happen in order to accept the result.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post

    Some members disagree that it can be shown to have happened, they must watch it happen in order to accept the result.
    So a player can bet black on roulette and win 3 of 4 spins. We all agree on that right?

    So if I were to say, I have done that everyday for 3 years now, you are going to say "yeah that could happen"?

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Kew, you once again started another foolish thread predicated on another one of your lies. You've never seen me say "my vp strategy is a math-beating, long-term strategy". That's what internet hacks like you and redietz like to claim because you never read everything and red walks around with a hard-on for me.
    And do either of you think it's just "coincidence" that both your life partners were snatched from living after you go around perpetuating constant lies about yourselves and others? You think there are no consequences for such treachery?

    The truth about my strategy is that it is a rock solid, 85% of sessions played winner, and because of the occasional huge jackpot winners and how most losing sessions are relatively low four-figured losers, the strategy wins overall.

    This has proven too much for you to comprehend because all you know is how to repeat what you read on the internet....while red has his imaginary "university professors" that drive his life.

    Wise up.
    The truth is-as I've always said- is that no one here has the balls to try the strategy or the patience and understanding to keep up with their play. And no, everyone-i haven't made my millions playing it at my levels.

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    So a player can bet black on roulette and win 3 of 4 spins.
    I was replying to your claim about MDawg's baccarat play.

    Without using hyperbole as an analogy, can you say that his reported results could not have happened? or that playing shoes as he explained will not win?

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    The truth is-as I've always said- is that no one here has the balls to try the strategy or the patience and understanding to keep up with their play. And no, everyone-i haven't made my millions playing it at my levels.
    I applaud your honesty. Let me take it a step further and ask have you made any money (longterm profit) playing this strategy?

    I believe I have asked this before and to your credit you said something like, "No, but you feel like you can play longer using this strategy" (something along those lines). And that is fine, but the problem is that is NOT what Singer's claim is.

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