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  1. #1
    I assume convenience store vp/slots (7-11 for example), laundromat vp/slots, and super market vp/slots have been virtually all shuddered in Nevada, and was wondering if any Nevada VCTers could confirm my assumption ?
    Thanks.

  2. #2
    I assume everything is closed in Nevada as these are usually on slot routes and under the order.

    As far as I know the only “gambling” available is here in PA with the scam PA Skill Machines. While already considered illegal by the state, enforcement has been lacking and they are everywhere across the state. From bars to bodegas, along with entire free standing sites setup with them before the CV.

    Now the word is many of the grocery stores in Hispanic areas in the cities still have them open and available for play. As they are unregulated and we have no clue on the payback percentages, naturally they have zero concern in exploiting those who can least afford it during this situation.

    Good bet many stimulus checks go right into them in lower income communities.

    https://www.playpennsylvania.com/unr...avirus-spread/

  3. #3
    I talked to a friend in Nv. yesterday about that. He said all gaming in Nv. was ordered shut down. The machines at the Von's he shops at are turned off.

    Yes, that's exactly where most of the stimulus money going to Nevadans will end up.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I talked to a friend in Nv. yesterday about that. He said all gaming in Nv. was ordered shut down. The machines at the Von's he shops at are turned off.

    Yes, that's exactly where most of the stimulus money going to Nevadans will end up.
    Yes, everything was turned off by the Governor's order. No exceptions.

  5. #5
    Boz,Ron, and AndrewG thank you for your input. With regard to Hispanic areas, I noticed that some Hispanic maintenance workers (landscaping by the looks of it) were dining in at a burrito place as I walked by the window of that storefront even though it is illegal to dine-in where I live (take-out orders only/no dine in and several places are drive-through only, not even take-out). So if you are looking for a relaxed environment to do your business I recommend these areas - I ordered a Carne Asada burrito from the burrito place 2 days ago, but it was for take out since I assumed I could not dine in (and maybe I couldn't since I'm a gringo).

    Boz, since you were a successful business owner (and would still be if you hadn't retired) that served food as part of the business, I will defer to your opinion regarding the Round Table post I made a little ways back (I figured I'd post here while it was on my mind or else I will forget). This is what catalyzed my errant post (please see the screen shot below) - in my mind (wrongfully based on your insight) they didn't seem like they were doing any special favors to health care workers since I was getting these 25% and occasional 50% coupons off (I like their pizza and use these coupons one or twice a month) well before the covid-19 situation (and I'm not a health care worker):
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    Last edited by tableplay; 04-09-2020 at 12:40 PM.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Boz,Ron, and AndrewG thank you for your input. With regard to Hispanic areas, I noticed that some Hispanic maintenance workers (landscaping by the looks of it) were dining in at a burrito place as I walked by the window of that storefront even though it is illegal to dine-in where I live (take-out orders only/no dine in and several places are drive-through only, not even take-out). So if you are looking for a relaxed environment to do your business I recommend these areas - I ordered a Carne Asada burrito from the burrito place 2 days ago, but it was for take out since I assumed I could not dine in (and maybe I couldn't since I'm a gringo).

    Boz, since you were a successful business owner (and would still be if you hadn't retired) that served food as part of the business, I will defer to your opinion regarding the Round Table post I made a little ways back (I figured I'd post here while it was on my mind or else I will forget). This is what catalyzed my errant post (please see the screen shot below) - in my mind (wrongfully based on your insight) they didn't seem like they were doing any special favors to health care workers since I was getting these 25% and occasional 50% coupons off (I like their pizza and use these coupons one or twice a month) well before the covid-19 situation (and I'm not a health care worker):
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    The chain pizza market is interesting because much of their pricing is smoke and mirrors. In the case of Pizza Hut, Dominos and Papa Johns, they have a “Regular” price that no one usually pays because they are always running a promotion to keep people ordering. If you look they have a regular price of $12.99 (or close) for a pizza plus toppings. But they are always running “Large 2,3 topping etc pizza for $9.99 or as many as you want at $7.99 each. You see the commercials everyday. So basically they build their business model on getting an average of say $9 for their pizza and know they have to keep food cost below $3. Which isn’t hard on their pizza.

    In the case of this Round Table offer, they may be doing the same to a lessor degree. Note they are also trying to trade the customer up to a larger size. Or they may use these coupons to target new customers or as a enticing offer to get former customers back. With loyalty clubs and tracking today it’s easy to target a group of customers with offers. In this case you are basically paying the loss in margin as an advertising expense with the hope of regaining a customer. The problem is finding the right mix and not getting the customer to only purchase when a discount is offered. You are also hoping the customer buys add ons at regular price such as Wings, Breadsticks, Soda or whatever you offer.

    I was fortunate enough to build a business that did not require, or even use coupons. I did use multiple bundles and everyday specials to increase check size as a perceived value. Say a Large Pizza was $11.99, we offered 2 for $18.99. The goal was to sell 2 pizzas at $9.50 each, but would also gladly sell 1 at $12. I did the same with Pizza & Wing deals and more. Along with discounted wing nights, burger nights, etc. we offered a item to get customers in the door and then sell them full priced beers as well.

    In the end there are many ways to separate the customer from their money while allowing them to feel they have gotten “value” for their money. It should be a win/win if you sell a quality product and make the customer happy.

    Thanks for engaging on this and giving me an opportunity to discuss something of use. I haven’t been doing it much lately.
    Last edited by The Boz; 04-09-2020 at 01:32 PM.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Boz,Ron, and AndrewG thank you for your input. With regard to Hispanic areas, I noticed that some Hispanic maintenance workers (landscaping by the looks of it) were dining in at a burrito place as I walked by the window of that storefront even though it is illegal to dine-in where I live (take-out orders only/no dine in and several places are drive-through only, not even take-out). So if you are looking for a relaxed environment to do your business I recommend these areas - I ordered a Carne Asada burrito from the burrito place 2 days ago, but it was for take out since I assumed I could not dine in (and maybe I couldn't since I'm a gringo).

    Boz, since you were a successful business owner (and would still be if you hadn't retired) that served food as part of the business, I will defer to your opinion regarding the Round Table post I made a little ways back (I figured I'd post here while it was on my mind or else I will forget). This is what catalyzed my errant post (please see the screen shot below) - in my mind (wrongfully based on your insight) they didn't seem like they were doing any special favors to health care workers since I was getting these 25% and occasional 50% coupons off (I like their pizza and use these coupons one or twice a month) well before the covid-19 situation (and I'm not a health care worker):
    Name:  50percent_off_round_table.png
Views: 748
Size:  31.2 KB
    The chain pizza market is interesting because much of their pricing is smoke and mirrors. In the case of Pizza Hut, Dominos and Papa Johns, they have a “Regular” price that no one usually pays because they are always running a promotion to keep people ordering. If you look they have a regular price of $12.99 (or close) for a pizza plus toppings. But they are always running “Large 2,3 topping etc pizza for $9.99 or as many as you want at $7.99 each. You see the commercials everyday. So basically they build their business model on getting an average of say $9 for their pizza and know they have to keep food cost below $3. Which isn’t hard on their pizza.

    In the case of this Round Table offer, they may be doing the same to a lessor degree. Note they are also trying to trade the customer up to a larger size. Or they may use these coupons to target new customers or as a enticing offer to get former customers back. With loyalty clubs and tracking today it’s easy to target a group of customers with offers. In this case you are basically paying the loss in margin as an advertising expense with the hope of regaining a customer. The problem is finding the right mix and not getting the customer to only purchase when a discount is offered. You are also hoping the customer buys add ons at regular price such as Wings, Breadsticks, Soda or whatever you offer.

    I was fortunate enough to build a business that did not require, or even use coupons. I did use multiple bundles and everyday specials to increase check size as a perceived value. Say a Large Pizza was $11.99, we offered 2 for $18.99. The goal was to sell 2 pizzas at $9.50 each, but would also gladly sell 1 at $12. I did the same with Pizza & Wing deals and more. Along with discounted wing nights, burger nights, etc. we offered a item to get customers in the door and then sell them full priced beers as well.

    In the end there are many ways to separate the customer from their money while allowing them to feel they have gotten “value” for their money. It should be a win/win if you sell a quality product and make the customer happy.

    Thanks for engaging on this and giving me an opportunity to discuss something of use. I haven’t been doing it much lately.
    Sure Boz, thanks for the great explanation. When these deals present themselves, I buy the large or extra large and then have the pizza over the next three days (including the day of purchase), so this type of coupon is doing exactly what you write:getting me to buy way more than a single person needs since a personal pizza or buffet is what I get normally without the coupon.

  8. #8
    I'm a Domino's fan. This week ours has a $5.99 large 2-topping or a $7.99 3-topping "specials". What I love about them is the ability to get extra sauce and lite cheese AND THEY GET IT RIGHT because those options are part of their regular menu system. Normally, when you ask for lite cheese and extra sauce, pizza shops do it just the opposite because so many fat asses order extra cheese.

    I always order at the shop so I can watch them make 'em. Two weeks ago I watched as the gal who took my order and cash payment, went straight over to making my pizza without washing her hands. I called the manager over, complained, he apologized and had the gal wash her hands per standard Co. policy, then start over again. He also gave me that pizza for free.

  9. #9
    Todd Brunson owns a restaurant in Las Vegas. I think its called Roma's Deli. He puts pictures of their meals up on twitter all the time. Yesterday he was saying that the delivery outfits like grubhub, uber, besides charging the customer, will also charge the restaurant up to 33% of the retail price. I wondered how those outfits make money. Now I know.
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  10. #10
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Todd Brunson owns a restaurant in Las Vegas. I think its called Roma's Deli. He puts pictures of their meals up on twitter all the time. Yesterday he was saying that the delivery outfits like grubhub, uber, besides charging the customer, will also charge the restaurant up to 33% of the retail price. I wondered how those outfits make money. Now I know.
    It’s such a scam. I myself built up an internal delivery service where I used my employees and paid them a good wage along with a per delivery amount. Along with tips they averaged well over $20 an hour and I controlled every part of the process.

    I was bombarded with offers when the external guys were starting up. They offered low percentages at the start but the contracts went to 20-30% quickly based on volume. I thought it was a bad business plan and they were struggling before this, but now they are thriving. I consider it preying on desperate business owners needing any business they can get in this crisis. I also never thought people would order McDonalds, Taco Bell, etc for delivery. I was 100% WRONG and didn’t realize the laziness of a good portion of today’s youth.

    I cannot imagine the condition some of these products arrive at your house in. I’m sure the chains have negotiated a lower rate based on volume, but still it’s a hit on margins. But some see it as incremental volume they would have never received.

    The other consideration are drivers that they hire. They are independent contractors like Uber and I question standards on vehicles. Since neither the company, nor the customer sees the inside of the car, who knows how clean they are, regardless of packaging. These jobs tend to attract slackers due the ability to have no set schedule or responsibilities. You sign on when you feel like working or need some cash.

    I think one of the long term winners in this event will be these companies as customers who may have never used them, have tried it now and will continue to use it. And guaranteed they will only increase fees and make more money.

    Earlier this year Grubhub was quietly ( they denied it) looking to sell because they were struggling to make money. I would assume there will be consolidation over time and 1 or 2 big players will come out of this. I believe it’s here to stay.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/09/grub...-for-sale.html
    Last edited by The Boz; 04-09-2020 at 05:30 PM.

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