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  1. #81
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Thanks for the new info Mr Kewlj. Previous articles have said the money will be retroactive. But you're right -- what a hardship.

    Right now the neighbor on my left is on her phone on her balcony yelling that she has no money. This is depressing.

    Still no $1200 for me.
    It appears many should be waking up to the $1200 tomorrow morning.

    As for the UC, it’s beyond crazy but it appears it will be retro, so some large back checks.

    For Small Businesses, the free $10k has now been dropped to $1,000 for most self employed unless you have 10 employees. Seems too many signed up.
    How does a measly $1000 help a small business, closed for months stay afloat?

    Where did that info about waking up to the $1200 payments come from Boz?
    Treasury Secretary Munchin saying most Americans with bank accounts on file will have them by Wednesday April 15th at his Presser yesterday.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/pers...od/ar-BB12CXv3

  2. #82
    There have been reports in the news that the first round of $1200 checks arrives via direct deposit on Wednesday.

    The SBA EIDL program which originally was "up to $10,000" including the self employed is now $1,000 per person up to ten people. So self employed get $1,000.

  3. #83
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Treasury Secretary Munchin saying most Americans with bank accounts on file will have them by Wednesday April 15th at his Presser yesterday.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/pers...od/ar-BB12CXv3
    Thank you for that info. Doesn't help me because they do not have my info on file until they open that new portal, but it is good to know they are moving pretty quickly. I have to say, I think Munchin is doing a pretty good job.

  4. #84
    My nephew in Texas got his direct deposit when he woke up yesterday (Monday) morning. He got one deposit for $3900 because they have 3 children.

  5. #85
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    My nephew in Texas got his direct deposit when he woke up yesterday (Monday) morning. He got one deposit for $3900 because they have 3 children.
    Damn breeders sucking the government dry with their offspring. Kidding, I am sure they are all wonderful people.

    So what are you the Mrs getting, Singer, the full $2400, or a reduced amount based on whatever it is they base it on, I guess $150k income for a couple?

  6. #86
    Check www.lvrj.com it quotes the governor saying unemployment will be retroactive to March 15.

  7. #87
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Check www.lvrj.com it quotes the governor saying unemployment will be retroactive to March 15.
    I heard him say that in the news conference, but that is when he was talking about regular unemployment for workers. The discussion about self employed / gig workers was later.

    Also, it didn't involve me, so I may not be remembering correctly, but I though the female that spoke, said regular workers were already getting whatever their regular amount of unemployment is on there cards and they should start getting the additional $600 (they call that disaster money or something like that) in the next couple days.

  8. #88
    I had filed a claim during the shutdown. Nothing ever came of it and I did not pursue it after the casinos reopened. Reason being it was pretty insignificant amount of money. Maybe 10k for the period that casinos were closed.

    When filing I submitted copies of my tax returns with years worth of earnings on Schedule C as proof of income and self employment taxes paid.

    About 3 months ago I had someone from the DETR call me for an appeal. I answered all their questions and referred them to the previous submitted documents substantiating me as a professional gambler.

    Today I received an appeal response that the government does not recognize machine slot advantage play as a profession that earns income. Therefore claim was dismissed and retired and will remain unpaid. So I now have proof from a government entity that slot play cannot derive income.

    Now I am wondering if I can submit a request for refund of all past taxes paid on gambling income.

  9. #89
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I now have proof from a government entity that slot play cannot derive income.
    No you don't, you have a letter stating that that the government does not recognize machine slot advantage play as a profession that earns income...that's different.

    Have you been taking reading comprehension classes taught by Alan Mendelson?

    But please, go right ahead and prove to the world that slot play can derive income and post copies of your tax returns, with years worth of earnings on Schedule C as proof of income and self employment taxes paid, right here on this forum.

    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I am wondering if I can submit a request for refund of all past taxes paid on gambling income.
    Yes, you absolutely can and are hereby emphatically encouraged to do so and report back what happens.

  10. #90
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I now have proof from a government entity that slot play cannot derive income.
    No you don't, you have a letter stating that that the government does not recognize machine slot advantage play as a profession that earns income...that's different.
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    Have you been taking reading comprehension classes taught by Alan Mendelson?

    But please, go right ahead and prove to the world that slot play can derive income and post copies of your tax returns, with years worth of earnings on Schedule C as proof of income and self employment taxes paid, right here on this forum.

    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I am wondering if I can submit a request for refund of all past taxes paid on gambling income.
    Yes, you absolutely can and are hereby emphatically encouraged to do so and report back what happens.
    You're pretty much an irrelevant troll not worth addressing. But why don't you interpret this verbatim from the letter of denial.

    "The claimant considers as a slot play his self employment.

    The claimant's profession is not considered to be self-employment for purposes of is self-employment and has been so since 2005"

  11. #91
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    why don't you interpret this verbatim from the letter of denial.

    "The claimant considers as a slot play his self employment.

    The claimant's profession is not considered to be self-employment for purposes of is self-employment and has been so since 2005"
    I can't understand the statement, the grammar is all screwed up.

  12. #92
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    why don't you interpret this verbatim from the letter of denial.

    "The claimant considers as a slot play his self employment.

    The claimant's profession is not considered to be self-employment for purposes of is self-employment and has been so since 2005"
    I can't understand the statement, the grammar is all screwed up.
    I agree. But that is verbatim.

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  13. #93
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    why don't you interpret this verbatim from the letter of denial.

    "The claimant considers as a slot play his self employment.

    The claimant's profession is not considered to be self-employment for purposes of is self-employment and has been so since 2005"
    I can't understand the statement, the grammar is all screwed up.
    I agree. But that is verbatim.

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    I understand the document provided, and can interpret it for you.

    You consider your profession as a slot player to be your self-employment.

    What you consider to be your profession is not considered by the agency to be self-employment.

    You are therefore not considered to be self-employed, and are not eligible for regular unemployment benefits.

    You have not met the requirements for PUA benefits, until you are otherwise eligible,
    which I interpret to mean other employment you may have had that qualifies.

    You have not provided to the agency proof that you are self-employed, according to the pertinent code.

    Neither have you provided to this forum proof from a government entity that slot play cannot derive income.

    Let's have a look at copies of your tax returns, with years worth of earnings on Schedule C as proof of income and self employment taxes paid, and the forum members can make a determination in the matter....we'll take a poll.

    Either that or you can go take tewlj's pole.

    OK Crapgame?

  14. #94
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post

    I can't understand the statement, the grammar is all screwed up.
    I agree. But that is verbatim.

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    I understand the document provided, and can interpret it for you.

    You consider your profession as a slot player to be your self-employment.

    What you consider to be your profession is not considered by the agency to be self-employment.

    You are therefore not considered to be self-employed, and are not eligible for regular unemployment benefits.

    You have not met the requirements for PUA benefits, until you are otherwise eligible,
    which I interpret to mean other employment you may have had that qualifies.

    You have not provided to the agency proof that you are self-employed, according to the pertinent code.

    Neither have you provided to this forum proof from a government entity that slot play cannot derive income.

    Let's have a look at copies of your tax returns, with years worth of earnings on Schedule C as proof of income and self employment taxes paid, and the forum members can make a determination in the matter....we'll take a poll.

    Either that or you can go take tewlj's pole.

    OK Crapgame?
    I actually file as a gambler. Not a "slot play". My income is derived from slot play as evidenced by w2-g and ledger statement. My gambling income is reported on Schedule C of my tax returns, as that is my business. I have no other employment or income for the last 3 years . I have had income as a gambler going back even prior to 2005.

    I am not going to post my tax returns. Nobody does that.

    An agency of the State of Nevada is saying that a gambler/slot player cannot be self-employed. If it is not a profession then what is it? And why would I ever have to pay tax on income derived from said profession?

    This shows the problems with making your income on the outer fringes of society and the many gray areas that come along with it. Anyone else paying taxes on gambling income should be interested in this.

    I wasn't going to fool around with this case. But now I am going to pursue it further. I am going to request all back gambling earnings taxes paid to be refunded based on this decision. So I can get a ruling on exactly what I am classified as or an exemption from taxes on any further future earnings. The government works slow and appears highly incompetent. I will have some answers in the future though.

    A lot of gamblers live outside of the system and don't file or pay any taxes. Their w2-g statements get crumpled and thrown in the trash before leaving the casino floor. Some have claimed to have collected unemployment benefits during the shut downs. I don't necessarily believe that anymore.

    The only one I know personally that was successfully paid benefits for the shutdown is an incorporated gambler. So he collected based on being an employee of his solely owned corporation. I am a sole proprietorship.

  15. #95
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I actually file as a gambler. Not a "slot play". My income is derived from slot play as evidenced by w2-g and ledger statement.
    My guess is the term "slot play" is what is tripping everything up. The way they worded it makes no sense.

    I am just curious, you filed and were denied and then appealed. How did the appeal work? Was it a hearing done in person or over the computer? Or just more paperwork asking them to reconsider?

    You definitely qualify, but at this point will have to request a hearing to make your case and get approved.

    Detr was really screwed up with this when it occured, if you remember. My brother and I filed, and received a debit type card like 2 days later. I thought that meant we were approved but apparently it didn't. It went for weeks with Detr being the top story on the news. I think at one point they switched vendors and someone high up got fired. Then they announced a date that people could expect payment and we got back payments in 2 lump amounts and then weekly after that.

    I heard a rumor that at that point 6 weeks in to a total screw up, people having been fired, that when they got the second vendor computer system up, they just approved everyone. Sounds unrealistic, but they were really in way over their head, if you remember.

    So anyway, back to your case. If I remember we spoke and you initially weren't going to file, and didn't file right away. That probably didn''t work to your advantage, but regardless, like I said, you should be eligible. Somebody is screwing up. I really think it is that term "slot play" somebody put that down as your occupation and it is confusing someone that doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

    I know you are not on great terms with Alan, but he really figured out the system and helped me file. Maybe you could drop him a PM at WoV (if you still have an account).

    Good luck.

  16. #96
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I actually file as a gambler. Not a "slot play". My income is derived from slot play as evidenced by w2-g and ledger statement.
    My guess is the term "slot play" is what is tripping everything up. The way they worded it makes no sense.

    I am just curious, you filed and were denied and then appealed. How did the appeal work? Was it a hearing done in person or over the computer? Or just more paperwork asking them to reconsider?

    You definitely qualify, but at this point will have to request a hearing to make your case and get approved.

    Detr was really screwed up with this when it occured, if you remember. My brother and I filed, and received a debit type card like 2 days later. I thought that meant we were approved but apparently it didn't. It went for weeks with Detr being the top story on the news. I think at one point they switched vendors and someone high up got fired. Then they announced a date that people could expect payment and we got back payments in 2 lump amounts and then weekly after that.

    I heard a rumor that at that point 6 weeks in to a total screw up, people having been fired, that when they got the second vendor computer system up, they just approved everyone. Sounds unrealistic, but they were really in way over their head, if you remember.

    So anyway, back to your case. If I remember we spoke and you initially weren't going to file, and didn't file right away. That probably didn''t work to your advantage, but regardless, like I said, you should be eligible. Somebody is screwing up. I really think it is that term "slot play" somebody put that down as your occupation and it is confusing someone that doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

    I know you are not on great terms with Alan, but he really figured out the system and helped me file. Maybe you could drop him a PM at WoV (if you still have an account).

    Good luck.
    The appeal was initiated by DETR after the claim was denied. I agreed to a hearing. The hearing date was set by DETR and a referee called me by phone on the date they set.

    I submitted numerous tax documents as requested. It is very clear from those that I am a gambler and that is my profession.

    Not sure where their terminology is coming from. I am sure they all have a sub 100 IQ though.

    I have 11 days to select an option for an appeal to the appeal....lol

    I am definitely motivated now. I would like to be classified ineligible as that would most likely make me not having to submit to taxation legally or I will get a check for the shutdown period.

    This stuff is the last thing I want to do but it just doesn't make sense to the point of being interesting.
    Last edited by MaxPen; 07-09-2021 at 11:31 PM.

  17. #97
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I am definitely motivated now. I would like to be classified ineligible as that would most likely make me not having to submit to taxation legally.
    Come on dude...that is not going to happen. For one thing Detr is state government and the IRS federal. Any ruling by state government doesn't mean squat as far as federal taxes. I get it, it is the principal, but you are going to end up wasting a lot of time if that is your goal.

    I don't know how many weeks you applied for, but you have to decide if you want to "appeal the appeal" (<-more strange terminolgy).

    I gotta tell ya, I only filed for 11 weeks. When the casinos re-opened, I stopped. I try to do things the right way (which annoys monet), but if I had it to do over again....I would just keep collecting. Rushing back to the casino environment was no bargain for me and blackjack playing conditions weren't as advantageous as I thought they would be.

  18. #98
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I am definitely motivated now. I would like to be classified ineligible as that would most likely make me not having to submit to taxation legally.
    Come on dude...that is not going to happen. For one thing Detr is state government and the IRS federal. Any ruling by state government doesn't mean squat as far as federal taxes. I get it, it is the principal, but you are going to end up wasting a lot of time if that is your goal.

    I don't know how many weeks you applied for, but you have to decide if you want to "appeal the appeal" (<-more strange terminolgy).

    I gotta tell ya, I only filed for 11 weeks. When the casinos re-opened, I stopped. I try to do things the right way (which annoys monet), but if I had it to do over again....I would just keep collecting. Rushing back to the casino environment was no bargain for me and blackjack playing conditions weren't as advantageous as I thought they would be.
    I only filed for closing to reopening date.

    They say this decision is final unless I file another appeal in 11 days. Wouldn't that be an appeal to the appeal?...lol

    I am being somewhat sarcastic in my remarks regarding taxation.

  19. #99
    Fucking bum of an AP had to file for government handouts. Tells you about what shit stain pen makes. Not everyone in this racket has talent.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #100
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Fucking bum of an AP had to file for government handouts. Tells you about what shit stain pen makes. Not everyone in this racket has talent.
    I filed because I was eligible due to filing and paying taxes. Not being some 2 bit itinerant hobo running around the country making a couple bucks here and there like some migrant farm worker. Has nothing to do with having to.
    Last edited by MaxPen; 07-10-2021 at 10:00 AM.

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