Reminder regaring doxxing and link spamming

[blackhole]

Blackhole and coach belly, what do you guys want? Mickey already said he would try to abide by the new rules, as did I when Dan brought up something he would like me to stop. But I don't see that commitment from you two. You both want to keep it going.

And yes, under these new rules mickey probably should and I suspect will change his tag line.

First of all Mickeys tag line now is mild compared to the last few. I'm pretty sure he even had one saying Coach was sucking MDawg's cock.

I've been known to get foul in the past, but I intend to have civil conversations calling out what I think are fraudulent claims, which I recall many of them were your own.

[kewlJ]

You both want to keep it going.

Keep what going?

Everything that has been wrong with this forum for a very long time. Seems like Dan is finally making an effort to clean some things up, but it seems like you guys are not willing to let go.

Coach Belly, I had a rather pleasant day of conversing with you today. I don't agree with everything you say, but it was pleasant and respectful enough. Why can't that be the norm.

[blackhole]

Kewlj you are the biggest violator on this site. Now you’re in here acting like you’re the victim. Any member that disagrees with you it’s all out war. No more conversation. Stop trying to blow smoke up Dan's ass.

Dan could do whatever he wants including banning me. I’ll still sleep like a baby tonight. You on the other hand would start all kinds of shit at other sites complaining and maybe fake another death and get back here as someone else.

I call a spade a spade.

[kewlJ]

I've been known to get foul in the past, but I intend to have civil conversations calling out what I think are fraudulent claims, which I recall many of them were your own.

You are entitled to believe whatever you like. There is a difference in you choosing not to believe and calling people a liar with no proof or evidence. There are many, many people that make claims that I don't necessarily believe, or believe in full, meaning think they have exaggerated. I keep the majority of those opinions to myself. The only people I call out is when the math doesn't work. I believe in the math and to me THAT is proof.

Now tell me where the math doesn't work in regards to anything I have ever claimed? You don't like me, so you don't want to believe me, but my math works and it works because what I say and claim is true. I have shared some significant losing periods, and even a pretty horrendous year. I think it was 2 years ago I shared a week that I lost like 20 grand. And guess what the math even works for my losing periods. It's on the extreme of the outer edge, which is why it is noteworthy, but within several standard deviations, which is the norm.

[blackhole]

Some people don't care about the math. We have rights too. So stick the math where the sun don't shine. (trying to reform)

[coach belly]

I don't agree with everything you say, but it was pleasant and respectful enough. Why can't that be the norm.

It can be as long as the replies don't become insulting.

It's always the "NO" voters from your poll who take the insult tack.

[kewlJ]

Kewlj you are the biggest violator on this site. Now you’re in here acting like you’re the victim. Any member that disagrees with you it’s all out war. No more conversation. Stop trying to blow smoke up Dan's ass.

Dan could do whatever he wants including banning me. I’ll still sleep like a baby tonight. You on the other hand would start all kinds of shit at other sites complaining and maybe fake another death and get back here as someone else.

I call a spade a spade.

The death thing was 10 years ago. People always tell me to move on....how come no one is willing to move on about that. I was robbed outside my home. It was due to message board posting. I feared it would happen again. I thought if it was known that I had passed, it would provide me some protection from that. It was poorly thought out and a bad idea. I regret it. I said so at the time. I say so every time someone brings it up. But I have never ran from it. It would have been easy to start over with a different handle. Several people in the community, including one forum owner I was on at the time suggested that. I thought that was cowardly. I have and continue to own that mistake.

And I would never come back here or anywhere as someone else. I created a couple socks at WoV shortly after I was banned because I wanted to respond to things being said. I used handles like kewlj2 and kewlj3. Not exactly hiding. I did create a second account at a blackjack forum under the name Spiderman, but that was because I had some specific information about casino cheating that I wanted to share and warn others about. And as soon as someone suggested it was me, I acknowledged it. So don't give me shit about returning under a different name. I have never done that and never will. I am proud of my contribution overall to the AP/gambling community (not necessarily all of my behavior, but overall). I post under kewlj or on one forum a shortened version of KJ and that is all I will ever post under.

[coach belly]

I believe in the math and to me THAT is proof.

You don't have any mathematical proof that MDawg is lying, or exaggerating, or whatever you are accusing him of.

And you have no evidence whatsoever of him influencing other players, or trying to influence other players, or whatever your concerns are about his motives for posting trip reports.

The guy never acknowledged, confronted or otherwise addressed you...until you attacked him.

[kewlJ]

It's always the "NO" voters from your poll who take the insult tack.

come on....you don't do insults? Blackhole doesn't do insults? Singer doesn't do insults?

If we are going to turn over a new leaf here, how about we start by saying there is more than enough blame to go around.

[blackhole]

The death thing was 10 years ago. People always tell me to move on....how come no one is willing to move on about that. I was robbed outside my home. It was due to message board posting. I feared it would happen again. I thought if it was known that I had passed, it would provide me some protection from that. It was poorly thought out and a bad idea. I regret it. I said so at the time. I say so every time someone brings it up. But I have never ran from it. It would have been easy to start over with a different handle. Several people in the community, including one forum owner I was on at the time suggested that. I thought that was cowardly. I have and continue to own that mistake.

And I would never come back here or anywhere as someone else. I created a couple socks at WoV shortly after I was banned because I wanted to respond to things being said. I used handles like kewlj2 and kewlj3. Not exactly hiding. I did create a second account at a blackjack forum under the name Spiderman, but that was because I had some specific information about casino cheating that I wanted to share and warn others about. And as soon as someone suggested it was me, I acknowledged it. So don't give me shit about returning under a different name. I have never done that and never will. I am proud of my contribution overall to the AP/gambling community (not necessarily all of my behavior, but overall). I post under kewlj or on one forum a shortened version of KJ and that is all I will ever post under.

Make sure to click on link below while re-reading this post by Kewlj

[kewlJ]

The guy never acknowledged, confronted or otherwise addressed you...until you attacked him.

I don't think I have attacked MDawg. I have tried to be respectful. I have voiced my opinion that as he tells it, the math doesn't work. Please note that wording, because I have specifically said there may be more to it that he is not sharing, that he doesn't want to share. If that is the case, he should say so. He should say "well there is something I am doing that I can't share that allows me to win longterm". In the absence of that his math doesn't work. He is defying the mathematics as he tells it.

[coach belly]

come on....you don't do insults?

I'll respond in kind if provoked, but your group has a pattern of hurling unprovoked insults.

Isn't that observation correct?

[kewlJ]

come on....you don't do insults?

I'll respond in kind if provoked, but your group has a pattern of hurling unprovoked insults.

Isn't that observation correct?

You have got to stop with this "your group" stuff. I believe I am like you, I don't insult until provoked. You are referring to mickey than you take that up with him. I am not responsible for what mickey does. Just the same, the single biggest offender is Singer. I am not going to blame you for his actions and say well "your group...."

[coach belly]

He is defying the mathematics as he tells it.

You don't have any mathematical proof of that...it's an unfounded accusation...you've applied mathematical certainty based on hyperbole that you helped foster.

He posted trip reports, I don't recall him asking for your opinion or criticism, especially since you don't understand what he's done.

[kewlJ]

He is defying the mathematics as he tells it.

You don't have any mathematical proof of that...it's an unfounded accusation...you've applied mathematical certainty based on hyperbole that you helped foster.

He posted trip reports, I don't recall him asking for your opinion or criticism, especially since you don't understand what he's done.

And we are back to square 1.

[kewlJ]

I'll tell you what coach belly. If things ever get back to normal, I will agree to monitor one of MDawgs future trips. No bets, because these bets never seem to come off and any bet that did come off would result in someone not paying up due to a technicality anyway. But I will monitor his play. It would be best if we could have 2 or 3 different monitors. Shouldn't be that difficult since there are a fairly large group of us that live in Vegas and MDawg doesn't seem to play for hours on end anyway and a short time each day. He tells us when he is playing and we will monitor. I'll even do my best to record it. And we'll just see if he can put together a winning trip, of reasonable play, let alone how ever many trips in a row he is claiming. How does that work for you.

[coach belly]

I am not responsible for what mickey does.

I'm not blaming you for what anybody else does, I'm reporting a pattern of unprovoked insults that are commonly posted by members of the group of NO voters in your poll.

How many times did you and the other NO voters mercilessly insult Alan?

And that's just Alan, there's been many more since then...plenty more just since MDawg joined.

Do I need to show you?

[kewlJ]

And that's just Alan, there's been many more since then...plenty more just since MDawg joined.

Do I need to show you?

Yes. Please show me where I have mercifully attacked others since MDawg joined. Me, kewlJ, no one else. I am not responsible for anyone else's actions.

[coach belly]

How does that work for you.

I encourage that.

MDawg has always encouraged monitors, and he's never proposed or accepted any bet in this regard.

[coach belly]

Please show me where I have mercifully attacked others since MDawg joined.

You mean mercilessly, which I was referring to the attacks on Alan.

There have been many more attacks, and I'll post one of yours.

This may take a few minutes, so don't accuse me of running away...you've done that before.

Here you go...a baseless unprovoked attack...totally out of line...

tewlj claims that Andrew's true identity was revealed to him privately, and then I guess he spread the word around to other select members privately.

Absent Druff's public confirmation, tewlj's claim is dubious...it's gossip.

Coach Belly, you are a fucking liar. No ifs and or buts about it. I gave you the benefit of doubt and have twice now corrected you on this and you continue to post a lie. I never said Dan confirmed anything. I challenge you to post where I said that.

You can see from above...I wrote that Dan has not confirmed it.