Shutdown Total Insanity

[AndrewG]

See this article in the LVRJ.com:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/p...anity-2007251/

The mayor of Vegas calls the shutdown total insanity but then goes on to say one-half of one percent of the population has died.

When you tell me one-half of one percent has died I don't think a shutdown is insane -- I think it's mandatory.

[monet]

She said LESS THAN One Half of One Percent you Moron!!
Fucking Mendlebread!

[mickeycrimm]

See this article in the LVRJ.com:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/p...anity-2007251/

The mayor of Vegas calls the shutdown total insanity but then goes on to say one-half of one percent of the population has died.

When you tell me one-half of one percent has died I don't think a shutdown is insane -- I think it's mandatory.

One half of one percent of 328,000,000 is 1,640,000 people. Last time I checked only about 20,000 have died. The mayor of Las Vegas needs to insert a few more zeros in the equation.

[monet]

Direct Quote...

The number of people who have “tragically” died statewide from the COVID-19 respiratory illness represents less than one-half of 1% of the state’s more than 3 million people, the mayor said. Yet, she said the entire state has been brought to its knees.

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Nevada only has about 130 confirmed deaths and about 2900 confirmed cases.
It is pretty Fucking Safe out there.

[AndrewG]

Yes I omitted less than. You must be overjoyed Mr Monet in this moment of greatness. Sorry you lost your job, hope you find work soon.

Her numbers are a bit off.
130 deaths in a state with a population of 3.2 million.
3,200 cases reported.

So the deaths are 0.000040625
The cases are 0.001

[AndrewG]

See this article in the LVRJ.com:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/p...anity-2007251/

The mayor of Vegas calls the shutdown total insanity but then goes on to say one-half of one percent of the population has died.

When you tell me one-half of one percent has died I don't think a shutdown is insane -- I think it's mandatory.

One half of one percent of 328,000,000 is 1,640,000 people. Last time I checked only about 20,000 have died. The mayor of Las Vegas needs to insert a few more zeros in the equation.

What are you smoking Mr Crimm?

[jpfromla]

Direct Quote...

The number of people who have “tragically” died statewide from the COVID-19 respiratory illness represents less than one-half of 1% of the state’s more than 3 million people, the mayor said. Yet, she said the entire state has been brought to its knees.

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Nevada only has about 130 confirmed deaths and about 2900 confirmed cases.
It is pretty Fucking Safe out there.

That’s about the same number of people who kill themselves in their hotel rooms each year.

[mickeycrimm]

Direct Quote...

The number of people who have “tragically” died statewide from the COVID-19 respiratory illness represents less than one-half of 1% of the state’s more than 3 million people, the mayor said. Yet, she said the entire state has been brought to its knees.

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Nevada only has about 130 confirmed deaths and about 2900 confirmed cases.
It is pretty Fucking Safe out there.

130 deaths so far out of a population of 3,000,000. Thats way lower than one half of one percent. It's more like five one-thousandths of one percent. I'm in the high risk group but I still say the cure is worse than the disease.

[Rob.Singer]

Direct Quote...

The number of people who have “tragically” died statewide from the COVID-19 respiratory illness represents less than one-half of 1% of the state’s more than 3 million people, the mayor said. Yet, she said the entire state has been brought to its knees.

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Nevada only has about 130 confirmed deaths and about 2900 confirmed cases.
It is pretty Fucking Safe out there.

That’s about the same number of people who kill themselves in their hotel rooms each year.

And guaranteed many more than that have died from the flu. And opiods.

[kewlJ]

The mayor of Las Vegas is a fool. First of all, Las Vegas is basically just the downtown Fremont street area. What does it run to just short of the Strat, I believe. So the city of Las Vegas entire economy is the downtown casinos. There are the small shops, restaurants and business surrounding the Fremont Casinos, but they are entirely dependent on the casinos and people that they draw. So there is absolutely nothing else. Zappo's I guess. So of course she has a one track mind, but even so it is disappointing she would put the casinos ahead of the safety of the citizens. We'll see how she feels when that old fool she is married to ends up on a ventilator.

I didn't read the article, but I have my own view about Las Vegas reopening. there are some positive numbers for southern Nevada. First, so far, we have had relatively few cases and deaths compared to other places, unfortunately for me, there is a cluster of now 6 cases in my building. Luckily, so far everyone is pretty mild. According to that Washington state university model that everyone is using, the state of Nevada is past our apex or high point (or low point depending on how you want to look at it). In addition, we are getting into warm weather, 80 degrees today, if that helps, which we are not sure. These things make Southern Nevada a prime place to try to reopen.

Unfortunately however, like I said about the city of Las Vegas, downtown area, the larger, entire Las Vegas metropolitan area economy is basically a one trick pony. The economy is casinos and tourism, and casinos are about the last industry that should try to open.

I too am a one trick pony, my livelihood depending almost entirely on the game of blackjack, making me an anomaly even among my AP comrades. And frankly I just don't see how we get back to how my life was in February. Table games? People sitting or standing elbow to elbow, all touching the same dirty, germ infested, casino chips, cards and dice? Machines, even if you spread machine out a little bit, the problem will be the buttons that everyone pushes. And these are the surfaces the virus lives on the longest. And most of the patrons are in the higher risk groups, older, smokers, half of them in motorized chair and oxygen.

Even if you hire an army of people to wipe down the machines every 2 minutes, I just don't see it. I believe this industry, that we know it, that I know it and depend on is going to emerge very differently and I think it is going to have a very difficult time emerging at all, until a vaccine is found. Dropping money at Casinos just isn't going to be top priority to any reasonable people that have health concerns about the casino environment.

[mickeycrimm]

See this article in the LVRJ.com:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/p...anity-2007251/

The mayor of Vegas calls the shutdown total insanity but then goes on to say one-half of one percent of the population has died.

When you tell me one-half of one percent has died I don't think a shutdown is insane -- I think it's mandatory.

One half of one percent of 328,000,000 is 1,640,000 people. Last time I checked only about 20,000 have died. The mayor of Las Vegas needs to insert a few more zeros in the equation.

What are you smoking Mr Crimm?

I don't smoke. The population of the U.S. is 328,000,000. About 20,000 have died so far. Nevada ain't the only state in the Union.

[jpfromla]

The mayor of Las Vegas is a fool. First of all, Las Vegas is basically just the downtown Fremont street area. What does it run to just short of the Strat, I believe. So the city of Las Vegas entire economy is the downtown casinos. There are the small shops, restaurants and business surrounding the Fremont Casinos, but they are entirely dependent on the casinos and people that they draw. So there is absolutely nothing else. Zappo's I guess. So of course she has a one track mind, but even so it is disappointing she would put the casinos ahead of the safety of the citizens. We'll see how she feels when that old fool she is married to ends up on a ventilator.

I didn't read the article, but I have my own view about Las Vegas reopening. there are some positive numbers for southern Nevada. First, so far, we have had relatively few cases and deaths compared to other places, unfortunately for me, there is a cluster of now 6 cases in my building. Luckily, so far everyone is pretty mild. According to that Washington state university model that everyone is using, the state of Nevada is past our apex or high point (or low point depending on how you want to look at it). In addition, we are getting into warm weather, 80 degrees today, if that helps, which we are not sure. These things make Southern Nevada a prime place to try to reopen.

Unfortunately however, like I said about the city of Las Vegas, downtown area, the larger, entire Las Vegas metropolitan area economy is basically a one trick pony. The economy is casinos and tourism, and casinos are about the last industry that should try to open.

I too am a one trick pony, my livelihood depending almost entirely on the game of blackjack, making me an anomaly even among my AP comrades. And frankly I just don't see how we get back to how my life was in February. Table games? People sitting or standing elbow to elbow, all touching the same dirty, germ infested, casino chips, cards and dice? Machines, even if you spread machine out a little bit, the problem will be the buttons that everyone pushes. And these are the surfaces the virus lives on the longest. And most of the patrons are in the higher risk groups, older, smokers, half of them in motorized chair and oxygen.

Even if you hire an army of people to wipe down the machines every 2 minutes, I just don't see it. I believe this industry, that we know it, that I know it and depend on is going to emerge very differently and I think it is going to have a very difficult time emerging at all, until a vaccine is found. Dropping money at Casinos just isn't going to be top priority to any reasonable people that have health concerns about the casino environment.

It’s the visitor part that’s going to make it difficult.

[The Boz]

The mayor of Las Vegas is a fool. First of all, Las Vegas is basically just the downtown Fremont street area. What does it run to just short of the Strat, I believe. So the city of Las Vegas entire economy is the downtown casinos. There are the small shops, restaurants and business surrounding the Fremont Casinos, but they are entirely dependent on the casinos and people that they draw. So there is absolutely nothing else. Zappo's I guess. So of course she has a one track mind, but even so it is disappointing she would put the casinos ahead of the safety of the citizens. We'll see how she feels when that old fool she is married to ends up on a ventilator.

I didn't read the article, but I have my own view about Las Vegas reopening. there are some positive numbers for southern Nevada. First, so far, we have had relatively few cases and deaths compared to other places, unfortunately for me, there is a cluster of now 6 cases in my building. Luckily, so far everyone is pretty mild. According to that Washington state university model that everyone is using, the state of Nevada is past our apex or high point (or low point depending on how you want to look at it). In addition, we are getting into warm weather, 80 degrees today, if that helps, which we are not sure. These things make Southern Nevada a prime place to try to reopen.

Unfortunately however, like I said about the city of Las Vegas, downtown area, the larger, entire Las Vegas metropolitan area economy is basically a one trick pony. The economy is casinos and tourism, and casinos are about the last industry that should try to open.

I too am a one trick pony, my livelihood depending almost entirely on the game of blackjack, making me an anomaly even among my AP comrades. And frankly I just don't see how we get back to how my life was in February. Table games? People sitting or standing elbow to elbow, all touching the same dirty, germ infested, casino chips, cards and dice? Machines, even if you spread machine out a little bit, the problem will be the buttons that everyone pushes. And these are the surfaces the virus lives on the longest. And most of the patrons are in the higher risk groups, older, smokers, half of them in motorized chair and oxygen.

Even if you hire an army of people to wipe down the machines every 2 minutes, I just don't see it. I believe this industry, that we know it, that I know it and depend on is going to emerge very differently and I think it is going to have a very difficult time emerging at all, until a vaccine is found. Dropping money at Casinos just isn't going to be top priority to any reasonable people that have health concerns about the casino environment.

Theoretically speaking, I wonder if only a few locals casinos open first are people like KJ filing for UC be ruled then ineligible?

I don’t see this scenario happens as a few strip properties would open up as well, but it will be hard to say your livelihood isn’t there. When in reality it probably isn’t without many places open.

[monet]

That’s about the same number of people who kill themselves in their hotel rooms each year.

Nevada is projecting about 300 deaths total from this thing.
It won't be long till it is 110 degrees outside.
That Bullshit Virus is gonna fry!!

Not sure any of it matters though cause nobody is going to fly here to vacation.
Nobody wants Chinese or Europeans vacationing here now.
Can you imagine how much the Casinos would have to cater to the locals if they did reopen???
They are going to have to put up all kinds of crazy promotions to get us in the doors.
Might not be so bad.

I was playing just about every day up until the shutdown.
No problems with people coughing or touching the machines.
I ate the buffet plenty.
This Virus is a Hoax lol.

[mcap]

Why don’t they just have the stay at home orders/shut downs apply to people 50 or 60+yo, give those of them who were working some government replacement assistance as well as requiring employers to be allow them back at their jobs at some point (assuming the company/position exists) when it’s lifted, and let all the low risk people go on with their lives other than limiting large gatherings. Shutting everything thing down and turning half the country into a welfare state for with no end in sight until a vaccine is insane.

[kewlJ]

I still say the cure is worse than the disease.

This may be. This was my early position. remember I said something like, we should just endure it, accept a certain amount of deaths, mostly sick and older people until a cure or vaccine is found. I said it would be unpleasant but we can't destroy the economy for years to come.

The problem is we don't know what the numbers are, even now after 5-6 weeks. We know the total deaths are going to be lower than the initial models, BUT that is because everything has been shut down. We don't know what numbers we would be looking at if we had done nothing and gone about business as usual.

I don't blame any fraction of the government, including the president, who I don't particularly care for (based on him, not his policies, some of which I like). You can say maybe we (as a country) weren't as prepared as we could have been, even should have been. But who knew? Nobody knew this worst case scenario is how this would play out.

BUT< I don't understand why we can't do a much better job testing. Just imagine if we had tested, not everyone of course but a significant sample size, both healthily and symptomatic people. Then we would have some real data to work with. Maybe we would know for sure that 40% of the population has been infected, with 35% no symptoms, 4% mild flu like symptoms that resolve on there own, 1% need hospitalization, and .4% result in death. These numbers are just an example but if we had some real data, significant data based on a significant sample size, then we could reasonably decide our path forward. Without real data, we are guessing at everything.

About half of us here are AP and AP's depend on the data and a significant sample size. We don't guess at the math. (of course about half this forum does guess at the math, but lets not get into that right now).

[mickeycrimm]

I still say the cure is worse than the disease.

This may be. This was my early position. remember I said something like, we should just endure it, accept a certain amount of deaths, mostly sick and older people until a cure or vaccine is found. I said it would be unpleasant but we can't destroy the economy for years to come.

The problem is we don't know what the numbers are, even now after 5-6 weeks. We know the total deaths are going to be lower than the initial models, BUT that is because everything has been shut down. We don't know what numbers we would be looking at if we had done nothing and gone about business as usual.

I don't blame any fraction of the government, including the president, who I don't particularly care for (based on him, not his policies, some of which I like). You can say maybe we (as a country) weren't as prepared as we could have been, even should have been. But who knew? Nobody knew this worst case scenario is how this would play out.

BUT< I don't understand why we can't do a much better job testing. Just imagine if we had tested, not everyone of course but a significant sample size, both healthily and symptomatic people. Then we would have some real data to work with. Maybe we would know for sure that 40% of the population has been infected, with 35% no symptoms, 4% mild flu like symptoms that resolve on there own, 1% need hospitalization, and .4% result in death. These numbers are just an example but if we had some real data, significant data based on a significant sample size, then we could reasonably decide our path forward. Without real data, we are guessing at everything.

About half of us here are AP and AP's depend on the data and a significant sample size. We don't guess at the math. (of course about half this forum does guess at the math, but lets not get into that right now).

The virus would have to kill over 3 million people to kill off 1% of the population. And 300,000 deaths would be one-tenth of one percent of the population. The projection of 60,000 by August is 2 one-hundreths of 1% of the population. The cure is worse than the disease no matter what redietz says.

[kewlJ]

Theoretically speaking, I wonder if only a few locals casinos open first are people like KJ filing for UC be ruled then ineligible?

I don’t see this scenario happens as a few strip properties would open up as well, but it will be hard to say your livelihood isn’t there. When in reality it probably isn’t without many places open.

Boz, I am not in this for the unemployment money or $1200 payment with probably a second payment to follow. If the government is handing out money and decides I am eligible, I am taking it. Part of this program is about stimulating the economy, not just emergency relief. So like I said, if they are handing out money for people to spend to artificially keep the economy running, hell yeah I will take my cut.

I would say if someone says they make their livelihood gambling or anything related to the casino industry for that matter, as soon as the casinos reopen, those people should become ineligible. But that probably won't happen. Anyone approved for the unemployment will probably get it for the 4 months or whatever it is.

Personally I am not sure what I am going to do going forward. Right now I am a week into lingering fairly mild symptoms. My top priority is to get rid of these symptoms, recover fully, and get an antibody test that says I have antibodies and maybe some sort of immunity for a while. But they don't even know about the immunity yet. In the absence of some sort of immunity, I don't think I want to put myself right back in the petri dish that casinos are. I value my life more than that. I am fortunate enough to take whatever time I want off and if it turns out that the casino industry changes in a way that puts me out of business, so be it. I have had a good run, made some money and will figure out what I do next.

[The Boz]

Theoretically speaking, I wonder if only a few locals casinos open first are people like KJ filing for UC be ruled then ineligible?

I don’t see this scenario happens as a few strip properties would open up as well, but it will be hard to say your livelihood isn’t there. When in reality it probably isn’t without many places open.

Boz, I am not in this for the unemployment money or $1200 payment with probably a second payment to follow. If the government is handing out money and decides I am eligible, I am taking it. Part of this program is about stimulating the economy, not just emergency relief. So like I said, if they are handing out money for people to spend to artificially keep the economy running, hell yeah I will take my cut.

I would say if someone says they make their livelihood gambling or anything related to the casino industry for that matter, as soon as the casinos reopen, those people should become ineligible. But that probably won't happen. Anyone approved for the unemployment will probably get it for the 4 months or whatever it is.

Personally I am not sure what I am going to do going forward. Right now I am a week into lingering fairly mild symptoms. My top priority is to get rid of these symptoms, recover fully, and get an antibody test that says I have antibodies and maybe some sort of immunity for a while. But they don't even know about the immunity yet. In the absence of some sort of immunity, I don't think I want to put myself right back in the petri dish that casinos are. I value my life more than that. I am fortunate enough to take whatever time I want off and if it turns out that the casino industry changes in a way that puts me out of business, so be it. I have had a good run, made some money and will figure out what I do next.

My comment wasn’t a negative on you for taking UC and I have no issue with you, any AP or Pro Gambler, or anyone who doesn’t have work available.

My point was talking about how your income potential will be limited if only a few casinos open. Work is available but it won’t be as profitable as you can’t sit at one or 2 casinos long with what you do. Same goes for Machine Pros dependent on volume of players leaving opportunities.

Even those whom depend on FP from many casinos will be hurting.

While most people in the general public will never think about this or even care, it’s probably going to be an issue for a while.

[AndrewG]

Mr Kewlj has the right idea. We really don't know anything. And even kids are dying from this virus not just old people. Curiously there are more deaths among diabetics and overweight people regardless of age.

Mr Monet raised the point about hot weather returning and that should help stop the virus. Unfortunately casinos aren't allowed to get to 110 degrees inside. I'm usually freezing in casinos during the summer.

For practical reasons, casinos must stay cool because of the slot machines and computers. They malfunction in warmer temperatures.

Mr Crimm, letting three million people die is not acceptable when the seasonal flu takes 44,000 lives.