video poker machines not random?

[redietz]

And why do you think the MANUFACTURERS would be the responsible party here?

Under NGC regulations, if there are any problems with a company's machines in other jurisdictions they cannot be licensed in Nevada.

This prevents, for example, Company X machines to work well in Nevada, but other Company X machines that can be tampered with in BoogieBoogieLand.

Why does the NGC say this? Because they don't want a casino in Nevada to buy Company X machines that were used in BoogieBoogieLand where they might have been tampered with.

Now, unless you have some evidence of a world wide conspiracy, let's drop it.

Interesting. The most jarring info in this topic has been the American Coin scandal, of which I know almost nothing. Someone mentioned it, and it got ignored. That's pretty weird. Why wouldn't anyone ask about it?

Also, you'll notice there are no public records available of number of machines with chips "too old," or of malfunctioning chips in general, or what percentage of machines, if any, that have been found to have issues on an annual basis. Interesting what information is not available.

Gee, I wonder why.

[Rob.Singer]

And I've been playing them with much greater success than you. No one says they're ALL "gaffed" all the time or even which ones. The only thing you're accomplishing by being a denier is further showing g your lack of a higher education, where people learn to think first before popping off about things they know little about in a way to comfort themselves.

NGC is nothing more than a bureaucratic joke when it comes to enforcing gaming activities and policies for the public. They coexist with the casinos and machine & game manufacturers for the same purposes state governments do. And I played in high limit vp rooms overnight for over ten years, and I NEVER witnessed any of these "random checks" you claim to have seen.

If what you say is true, highly suspect, you made $750,000 over a 15 year period. That's about what the average family makes over 15 years. If you would have done that much in a year or two you would have something to brag about. You haven't had more success than me but since you are a snitch for the IRS I'll leave it to your imagination..

Maybe the "average family" where you live in white trash land mickey, but $750k over 15 years has nothing to do with the American dream.

And you didn't even get the numbers right, which isn't surprising given your lack of education. From '90-'96 I lost $250k as one of those state-of-mind-only "AP's". From '99-'09 I won $984k. And from '10 to present day I've won over $300k. Which is all meaningless if course, because my only goal with my play strategy was to prove I could win with it.

You see mickey, no one should ever become a full time gambler unless and until they're prepared and have their future secured. Had I lost my $170k+ bankroll I would have quit, admitting failure once again, and it would have made no difference at all for our multi-state living and traveling lifestyle of today. Ask your idol Dancer why, at an age older than me, he has no family, why he still has to work, and why he was thrown out of the house like rotten garbage. Then take a good, long look at yourself. CAUTION: keep a trashcan in close proximity to catch the projectile vomit.

[Rob.Singer]

And why do you think the MANUFACTURERS would be the responsible party here?

Under NGC regulations, if there are any problems with a company's machines in other jurisdictions they cannot be licensed in Nevada.

This prevents, for example, Company X machines to work well in Nevada, but other Company X machines that can be tampered with in BoogieBoogieLand.

Why does the NGC say this? Because they don't want a casino in Nevada to buy Company X machines that were used in BoogieBoogieLand where they might have been tampered with.

Now, unless you have some evidence of a world wide conspiracy, let's drop it.

Alan, I believe you're confused. When another country or a cruise ship line or any Tribe alters vp machines, it gas nothing to do with machine "problems".

[mickeycrimm]

Rob, you really need to get over your obsession with other people's personal lives.

[Alan Mendelson]

The NGC puts an obligation on manufacturers to police their own machines otherwise they will lose their license in Nevada.

Frankly, I doubt machines on cruise ships are rigged. I think they have the same minimal payback standards required in Nevada (which I think is 75-percent?).

As far as other countries go, are they really the same manufacturers you see in Nevada casinos?

I have very little experience playing outside of Nevada and SoCal. My only "foreign" experience in casinos when as Atlantis in the late 1990s and I think I won $20 on a 25-cent slot, and at a casino in St Maarten in 1977 when I lost $20 playing $2 blackjack.

Yes, Indian casinos are regulated... if not by the Nevada slot machine manufacturers then by the state compacts they operate under. They don't cheat. They don't have to cheat.

I know for a fact that Rincon removed their $100 video poker machines for one reason and one reason only: too many $400,000 royals were getting hit in too short of a time. If the machines were rigged, the $100 machines would still be there. And if the machines were rigged, they wouldn't have lowered the payouts on the other machines under $100.

If someone has proof of rigged machines show it. Otherwise stop your bellywhining.

[mickeycrimm]

American Coin is an old case from 1990. I remember a little of it. Two brothers whose name escape me owned it along with a person I think was named Frank Romano. They were slot route operators for the bars in Las Vegas. A local bar could have up to 15 machines. American Coin owned the machines and bankrolled the play, each house took a cut of the profit.

The two brothers hired a computer programmer to gaff the chips to where machines either never made a royal or very few royals. Gaming caught on to them by complaints by regular players and employee's in the bars. They complained about the machines never making royals.

The programmer's name was Volk. When Gaming caught up with him he turned state's evidence and was going to testify against the two brothers. But Volk was shot in the back of the head and killed one day when he was working on his car. The two brothers became the main suspects in his murder. The hit man turned out to be some young dude who went on trial first. He was found not guilty but later confessed to the crime. But he couldn't be tried again because of double jeopardy. The two brothers never went to trial for contracting the killing.

I think it was this case that led to Gaming having tamper proof seals placed on the chips.

[redietz]

The NGC puts an obligation on manufacturers to police their own machines otherwise they will lose their license in Nevada.

Frankly, I doubt machines on cruise ships are rigged. I think they have the same minimal payback standards required in Nevada (which I think is 75-percent?).

As far as other countries go, are they really the same manufacturers you see in Nevada casinos?

I have very little experience playing outside of Nevada and SoCal. My only "foreign" experience in casinos when as Atlantis in the late 1990s and I think I won $20 on a 25-cent slot, and at a casino in St Maarten in 1977 when I lost $20 playing $2 blackjack.

Yes, Indian casinos are regulated... if not by the Nevada slot machine manufacturers then by the state compacts they operate under. They don't cheat. They don't have to cheat.

I know for a fact that Rincon removed their $100 video poker machines for one reason and one reason only: too many $400,000 royals were getting hit in too short of a time. If the machines were rigged, the $100 machines would still be there. And if the machines were rigged, they wouldn't have lowered the payouts on the other machines under $100.

If someone has proof of rigged machines show it. Otherwise stop your bellywhining.

I'm not bellywhining, Alan, whatever that is (I'll look it up -- is it a cousin to "bellyaching?"). My position is simple -- it is absurd to think that at no time does any casino employee anywhere have the motive, means, and opportunity to cheat either via machines or table games. If you want to maintain that cheating never, ever happens, more power to you.

[Rob.Singer]

The NGC puts an obligation on manufacturers to police their own machines otherwise they will lose their license in Nevada.

Frankly, I doubt machines on cruise ships are rigged. I think they have the same minimal payback standards required in Nevada (which I think is 75-percent?).

As far as other countries go, are they really the same manufacturers you see in Nevada casinos?

I have very little experience playing outside of Nevada and SoCal. My only "foreign" experience in casinos when as Atlantis in the late 1990s and I think I won $20 on a 25-cent slot, and at a casino in St Maarten in 1977 when I lost $20 playing $2 blackjack.

Yes, Indian casinos are regulated... if not by the Nevada slot machine manufacturers then by the state compacts they operate under. They don't cheat. They don't have to cheat.

I know for a fact that Rincon removed their $100 video poker machines for one reason and one reason only: too many $400,000 royals were getting hit in too short of a time. If the machines were rigged, the $100 machines would still be there. And if the machines were rigged, they wouldn't have lowered the payouts on the other machines under $100.

If someone has proof of rigged machines show it. Otherwise stop your bellywhining.

Alan, the only reason you want to believe EVERY tribal casino is "regulated" I assume, in the same manner Nv. and other state venues are regulated, is because you've played in them (and very probably still do, unannounced) for such a long long time. Honestly, how else would someone react like that?

You are no idea what goes on with cruise ship machines. I do. They are all under foreign operation, the same as the IGT.....that's IGT once again, machine I ran across in Almaty that was 100% gaffed. In the same vein as online video poker is cheating players everywhere, foreign machines everywhere but in Australia are gaffed. Have you played them? I have, and when something is obvious you tend not to doubt it.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob, you really need to get over your obsession with other people's personal lives.

No, not at all. The guy's a scumbag loser. And you're a lowlife. People like me enjoy pointing that stuff out.

[Alan Mendelson]

Fifth card flipovers, Rob?

Would one of you please present some proof slots and VP games are rigged?

As far as table games go... the biggest danger is improper payoffs. Outright cheating? Do you really think a dealer wants to cheat you?

[slingshot]

The NGC puts an obligation on manufacturers to police their own machines otherwise they will lose their license in Nevada.

Frankly, I doubt machines on cruise ships are rigged. I think they have the same minimal payback standards required in Nevada (which I think is 75-percent?).

As far as other countries go, are they really the same manufacturers you see in Nevada casinos?

I have very little experience playing outside of Nevada and SoCal. My only "foreign" experience in casinos when as Atlantis in the late 1990s and I think I won $20 on a 25-cent slot, and at a casino in St Maarten in 1977 when I lost $20 playing $2 blackjack.

Yes, Indian casinos are regulated... if not by the Nevada slot machine manufacturers then by the state compacts they operate under. They don't cheat. They don't have to cheat.

I know for a fact that Rincon removed their $100 video poker machines for one reason and one reason only: too many $400,000 royals were getting hit in too short of a time. If the machines were rigged, the $100 machines would still be there. And if the machines were rigged, they wouldn't have lowered the payouts on the other machines under $100.

If someone has proof of rigged machines show it. Otherwise stop your bellywhining.

Alan, the only reason you want to believe EVERY tribal casino is "regulated" I assume, in the same manner Nv. and other state venues are regulated, is because you've played in them (and very probably still do, unannounced) for such a long long time. Honestly, how else would someone react like that?

You are no idea what goes on with cruise ship machines. I do. They are all under foreign operation, the same as the IGT.....that's IGT once again, machine I ran across in Almaty that was 100% gaffed. In the same vein as online video poker is cheating players everywhere, foreign machines everywhere but in Australia are gaffed. Have you played them? I have, and when something is obvious you tend not to doubt it.

Just wondering what strategy you were playing at Almaty? I feel the single play strategy is a hard to beat strategy under normal simulated randomness. My one and only attempt I went thru almost 400 credits of what seemed a cold cycle before I visibly noticed the hot cycle start again and I ended up a winner. Would a 100% gaffed machine defeat this strategy?

[mickeycrimm]

No, not at all. The guy's a scumbag loser. And you're a lowlife. People like me enjoy pointing that stuff out.

And I enjoy pointing out what a scumbag loser you are. People like me enjoy pointing that stuff out.

[mickeycrimm]

Fifth card flipovers, Rob? Would one of you please present some proof slots and VP games are rigged?
As far as table games go... the biggest danger is improper payoffs. Outright cheating? Do you really think a dealer wants to cheat you?

When webman from videopoker.com made the appointment with Rob to run a test on the fifth card flip I told him that when the test was over and the results were about what they were supposed to be Rob would say the sample space wasn't big enough. Sure enough, the test showed the draw card matched the discard in rank only 6% of the time, about what it was supposed to be. And what did Rob say in your youtube interview? He said the sample space wasn't big enough. LOL! Rob is so predictable.

[mickeycrimm]

And you didn't even get the numbers right, which isn't surprising given your lack of education. From '90-'96 I lost $250k as one of those state-of-mind-only "AP's". From '99-'09 I won $984k. And from '10 to present day I've won over $300k. Which is all meaningless if course, because my only goal with my play strategy was to prove I could win with it.

So now you are saying you made $1,036,000 over a 27 year period. That's less than $40,000 a year. Your wife's income came in real handy didn't it, Rob?

[redietz]

A friend of mine sent this along: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2480626.html.


This received almost no coverage and no follow-up.

Anybody here know about it? Alan?

[Alan Mendelson]

A friend of mine sent this along: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2480626.html.


This received almost no coverage and no follow-up.

Anybody here know about it? Alan?

Never heard about this, and if the NGC did find something we would have heard something. Given the span of years, I think this can be buried with the fifth card flipovers.

[quahaug]

A friend of mine sent this along: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2480626.html.


This received almost no coverage and no follow-up.

Anybody here know about it? Alan?

Consider the source. Huffington post fake news.

[mickeycrimm]

A friend of mine sent this along: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2480626.html. This received almost no coverage and no follow-up. Anybody here know about it? Alan?

No, this is the first I've heard of it and I'm wondering why. This story should have made the gambling forums when it was new. I've found another little news item on it so far and am looking for more. Here's the link:

http://www.archive.courthousenews.co...1/15/53919.htm

This case is almost five years old. The Noah Acres implicated in this article has an active twitter account.

Edit: Trying to fix the link.

Edit: I can't fix the link. Google "money blast slot game rigged" scroll down to post number 6 to find the link.

[Rob.Singer]

Fifth card flipovers, Rob?

Would one of you please present some proof slots and VP games are rigged?

As far as table games go... the biggest danger is improper payoffs. Outright cheating? Do you really think a dealer wants to cheat you?

Alan, you're the epitome of someone who has allowed gambling to take over every single aspect of your personal life--and as we've all had to painfully watch, it diseases "deep into the depths" as they say. So there's no way you will ever choose to understand, comprehend, or believe that your sacred casino life would ever be touched in any way, by the same unsavory or corrupt forces that invade virtually ever other large business entity in this world.

You keep asking for proof in a way that says "I know it's impossible to show, so THERE'S my excuse not to use simple common sense and not believe it"....which in turn keeps your fantasy about casinos being 100% fair. You wil say anything that keeps telling yourself whatever it is you want to believe. And THAT'S your definition of a true believer. At your age you should realize a lot more than you portray about how the business world really operates. You probably thought Hillary really cares about poor people.

[Rob.Singer]

And you didn't even get the numbers right, which isn't surprising given your lack of education. From '90-'96 I lost $250k as one of those state-of-mind-only "AP's". From '99-'09 I won $984k. And from '10 to present day I've won over $300k. Which is all meaningless if course, because my only goal with my play strategy was to prove I could win with it.

So now you are saying you made $1,036,000 over a 27 year period. That's less than $40,000 a year. Your wife's income came in real handy didn't it, Rob?

That's the gambling income mickey. I can see how the millions made from ACTUALLY WORKING wouldn't count to a slug on food stamps and Medicaid.

I can see you're feeling the emptiness of being a low-life loser and loner. Not really the best path you took, was it? I mean, no one and nothing to look back on; no one and nothing to look forward to; your only "friends" being via the internet or those sitting at the bars up in nowhere land.

And, of course, no bank account. So right about now, isn't it time to make up another of those foolish stories "from yesteryear" about being a bum in Nevada as you slowly go broke gambling in your precursor to running away to Montana....hitchhiking and hoboing on trains because you could never even afford a car?

Sad life mickey......