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  1. #41
    For arguments sake, let's say Hydroxychlorooquine has no impact on treating coronavirus. Who cares? This is not the only drug doctors are looking at. Why is there so much focus on this drug? We all know why. Because Trump brought it up in one of his news conferences. Why did he bring it up? Because there have been two studies, one in China and one in France, where it showed some promise. Trump said he wasn't a doctor. He wasn't giving out orders for everybody to take it, like a Democrat would do. He was just saying it might work.

    Trump was just commenting on it, and giving his views on it. Trump is an optimist! He tries to find solutions. He tries to give America hope! This is what a leader does! I know the MWP crowd just want to sit around and hope for the worst, but this isn't the way our side operates. We want our country to succeed! We look for solutions! We don't hide out in our basements, hoping our government takes care of us.

    The reason I was against Obama when he was President is because Obama's main goal was to take away our freedoms and give them over to the government. But if a pandemic like we're having now occurred during his presidency, I would have wanted our country to find a way out of it. I would have been rooting for him, unless his solutions were to take my freedoms away, which I'm pretty sure would have been the case.

    And I get why people like MWP voted for Obama. He has very little confidence in himself, so he needs the government to make decisions for him. MWP is okay with giving up his freedoms, because he probably thinks the government can make better decisions than he can. And in MWP's case, he's probably right. LOL But this isn't how America became one of the greatest countries ever!

    Bottom line is this drug is one of many they are looking at. If it doesn't work, fine, we need to move on. This is what Trump will do. But what he won't do is cower down in some fox hole admitting defeat and preaching doom and gloom like the Democrats.
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-21-2020 at 05:33 PM.

  2. #42
    I recall studying in psychopharmacology that they dumped chromosomes into pure liquid LSD, and, guess what! the chromosomes broke apart. So then some started claiming that LSD destroyed chromosomes.

    Similarly, if you dumped coronavirus into pure ammonia or ethanol (or hydroxychloroquine) I assume it would put the virus to sleep (you can't really "kill" a virus as it is not alive to begin with, you just stop it from replicating). Doesn't mean we should start drinking heavily or imbibing ammonia (or poisoning ourselves with hydroxychloroquine).

    Just common sense.
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  3. #43
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    Like I said
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    Who cares what the source was?
    .i.e. I am not making any political commentary. I just speak to the common sense of whether such a drug would even begin to work effectively against ANY viral infection. I actually have some background in this, even though I ended up a lawyer, and you're talking about a disease (lupus) where the treatments are mostly ameliorative. I am not claiming to be an expert on any of this, but even if I knew nothing about medicine at all, I'd never take an ancient unrelated drug like that to try to treat something like this. Would you?
    Only a fool would not try every drug known to man to stop coronavirus.
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  4. #44
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Only a fool would not try every drug known to man to stop coronavirus.
    It's only a matter of time before tickey starts writing that redietz sucks MDawg's cock...just watch.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Only a fool would not try every drug known to man to stop coronavirus.
    Excellent comment Mr Mickeycrimm. Many years ago I had a neighbor who was a chemist and worked for Lederle Laboratories just outside NYC. Lederle made medicines.

    His job was to take EXISTING MEDICINES to test them against new and different diseases to determine if old medicines had new applications.

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    For arguments sake, let's say Hydroxychlorooquine has no impact on treating coronavirus. Who cares? This is not the only drug doctors are looking at. Why is there so much focus on this drug? We all know why. Because Trump brought it up in one of his news conferences. Why did he bring it up? Because there have been two studies, one in China and one in France, where it showed some promise. Trump said he wasn't a doctor. He wasn't giving out orders for everybody to take it, like a Democrat would do. He was just saying it might work.

    Trump was just commenting on it, and giving his views on it. Trump is an optimist! He tries to find solutions. He tries to give America hope! This is what a leader does! I know the MWP crowd just want to sit around and hope for the worst, but this isn't the way our side operates. We want our country to succeed! We look for solutions! We don't hide out in our basements, hoping our government takes care of us.

    The reason I was against Obama when he was President is because Obama's main goal was to take away our freedoms and give them over to the government. But if a pandemic like we're having now occurred during his presidency, I would have wanted our country to find a way out of it. I would have been rooting for him, unless his solutions were to take my freedoms away, which I'm pretty sure would have been the case.

    And I get why people like MWP voted for Obama. He has very little confidence in himself, so he needs the government to make decisions for him. MWP is okay with giving up his freedoms, because he probably thinks the government can make better decisions than he can. And in MWP's case, he's probably right. LOL But this isn't how America became one of the greatest countries ever!

    Bottom line is this drug is one of many they are looking at. If it doesn't work, fine, we need to move on. This is what Trump will do. But what he won't do is cower down in some fox hole admitting defeat and preaching doom and gloom like the Democrats.
    Excellent post

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by LMR View Post
    There's nothing unusual with any of the above vaccines. The guy who invented penicillin stumbled on to some mold that was growing in one of his experiments. He noticed that it killed the bacteria, or whatever it was that he was trying grow. Nothing new about one thing killing another. If I recall, some fungi kill some molds.

    The thing about the HCQ is that persons who actually worked with this, and other drugs, said, from the virus' outset, months ago, that it had been tried, without any success, on every other new disease you can think of. HCQ kills the virus, but, only in a test-tube. I mean, trust the persons who work with the drugs, not some "monkey" doctors who want to make names for themselves.

    Funny as hell how Rudy Giuliani was tied up with that Jewish doctor who, supposedly, didn't lose a single patient out of hundreds and hundreds of patients.

    I am not arguing that it should have been promoted as promising. Nor am I arguing against that.

    I am arguing that it was not inherently absurd to test it, as MDawg suggests. Presumably the scientists you refer to as having tested it already agreed with me.

  8. #48
    It was absurd to think that it would work. All sorts of fringe "scientists" and quacks for hire might decide to test about anything.
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  9. #49
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    It was absurd to think that it would work. All sorts of fringe "scientists" and quacks for hire might decide to test about anything.
    Just to be clear, there were both French and Chinese doctors who thought it did something. And there was some evidence it did something against SARS back in 2003, so it's not ridiculous to think it might work for the new type of SARS, Covid-19.

    And this wasn't the only drug scientist/doctors were looking at. If it wasn't for Trump mentioning it, most wouldn't even know about. If Trump had mentioned some other drug that showed promise, the liberal press/goofballs would have been off in another direction trying to discredit that drug.

    Bottom line is not many people care about this, but the people who are tying to take Trump down.

  10. #50
    I think MaxPen makes the best argument.
    We will see how Liberal the Democrats really are when the Food and Money run out.
    Take away the free rent, food, money, alcohol, and weed and they will rebel faster than the Republicans.

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    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Just to be clear, there were both French and Chinese doctors who thought it did something.
    I've been having different "symptoms", everyday now, for the last month. The other day, some tightness in the upper lungs on back. Today, I had actually some blood in some scabby stuff when I blew my nose. I don't think that I have it. Winter is back, so, maybe, that's the problem.

    Beyond the usual stuff to think about, did you know that dentists, doctors et al, can be the shittiest people? I mean, Monet has nursing homes "pegged". I mean, the criminal bitches will do and say anything to try to get what they want, and, then, to try to save themselves.

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    And there was some evidence it did something against SARS back in 2003, so it's not ridiculous to think it might work for the new type of SARS, Covid-19.
    Correct. But only(?) on primate cells.

    "We report, however, that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage. In addition to the well-known functions of chloroquine such as elevations of endosomal pH, the drug appears to interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2. This may negatively influence the virus-receptor binding and abrogate the infection, with further ramifications by the elevation of vesicular pH, resulting in the inhibition of infection and spread of SARS CoV at clinically admissible concentrations."

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Bottom line is not many people care about this, but the people who are trying to take Trump down.
    If the damn thing worked - maybe, there will be a trail with better results - we'd never hear the end of it from you know who. Then, all those countries that hoarded the damn thing would have a veritable market for it.

    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    I think MaxPen makes the best argument.
    We will see how Liberal the Democrats really are when the Food and Money run out. Take away the free rent, food, money, alcohol, and weed and they will rebel faster than the Republicans.
    No more "easy Monet"?
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  12. #52
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    And for the record MWP, this article said no such thing as what you're claiming. The following is what you're claiming the article is saying: "17% greater chance of dying if you take it

    Here's what the article really said: "About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival."

    Basically there is not enough data to know if it works or not. If you're going to throw out "bombs", please accurately report what article's say. Don't be one of those dishonest liberals and misquote people and articles. Thanks!
    Bob, Bob, what's the problem. Either you can't read, or maybe it's you can't add and subtract. Here is what the article said. "About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone." Now if you can do first grade math 28% minus 11% is 17%. Bob, you are just another Tumptard brain washed by Trump.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Bob, Bob, what's the problem. Either you can't read, or maybe it's you can't add and subtract. Here is what the article said. [I]"About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone." Now if you can do first grade math 28% minus 11% is 17%. Bob, you are just another Tumptard brain washed by Trump.
    First off we all know this test was biased and inaccurate.
    Second thing is you and the Liberals just want things like this to occur...

    "Banks Funneled Stimulus Funds To Largest Companies To Fatten Fees, Lawsuits Say"

    Enjoy staying at home while the poor die from lack of supplies and the rich get richer.


    Originally Posted by LMR View Post
    No more "easy Monet"?
    Not exactly sure what this means.
    I read it a couple different ways.
    Doesn't really matter though.
    My situation is unique and unaffected by most of this but it doesn't mean that the world hasn't changed.
    Not exactly what I would consider "Good Change" either.
    If you want to agree with locking down the world I understand.
    I just don't agree with it.
    I am pretty much living the "Life of Riley" as usual.
    I realize that everything is temporary and I try not to hold on too tight.
    Not like anything I say or do in this world is going to matter and I most likely will be burning in Hell soon enough.
    Last edited by monet; 04-21-2020 at 09:29 PM.

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Yes, Trump touted this drug as a game changer. 17% greater chance of dying if you take it.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hy...udy-2020-04-21
    So it was stupid to test the drug for treatment of coronavirus. Is that your opinion of every drug being tested for it?

    For the record Trump did not tout the drug as a game changer. He said the drug need to be pursued to see if it would successfully treat coronavirus. However, you libtard fucks always got to twist shit up to make someone look bad. In this case you are the only one that looks bad. Now go climb back under your rock where you love it so well.
    Trump, did call this drug a game changer, and by doing so created shortages of the drug that are needed for conditions that it is actually prescribed for like Lupus.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/h...ronavirus.html

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    And for the record MWP, this article said no such thing as what you're claiming. The following is what you're claiming the article is saying: "17% greater chance of dying if you take it

    Here's what the article really said: "About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival."

    Basically there is not enough data to know if it works or not. If you're going to throw out "bombs", please accurately report what article's say. Don't be one of those dishonest liberals and misquote people and articles. Thanks!
    Bob, Bob, what's the problem. Either you can't read, or maybe it's you can't add and subtract. Here is what the article said. "About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone." Now if you can do first grade math 28% minus 11% is 17%. Bob, you are just another Tumptard brain washed by Trump.
    MWP, the article goes onto say the two sample sets were different so this doesn’t prove anything. Please reread my quote from the article.

    Again, we have no idea how different these two sample sets are because the article doesnt say anything about them. All it says is there were “others factors that could have affected survival.”

    MWP, no one is as stupid as you are at birth. It’s like you’re still unable to read and comprehend things. Do you know if you were dropped on your head one too many times when you were a baby? That would explain your current situation.

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Yes, Trump touted this drug as a game changer. 17% greater chance of dying if you take it.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hy...udy-2020-04-21
    So it was stupid to test the drug for treatment of coronavirus. Is that your opinion of every drug being tested for it?

    For the record Trump did not tout the drug as a game changer. He said the drug need to be pursued to see if it would successfully treat coronavirus. However, you libtard fucks always got to twist shit up to make someone look bad. In this case you are the only one that looks bad. Now go climb back under your rock where you love it so well.
    Trump, did call this drug a game changer, and by doing so created shortages of the drug that are needed for conditions that it is actually prescribed for like Lupus.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/h...ronavirus.html
    The New York Times? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Get the fuck out, dumbass.
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  17. #57
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Yes, Trump touted this drug as a game changer. 17% greater chance of dying if you take it.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hy...udy-2020-04-21
    So it was stupid to test the drug for treatment of coronavirus. Is that your opinion of every drug being tested for it?

    For the record Trump did not tout the drug as a game changer. He said the drug need to be pursued to see if it would successfully treat coronavirus. However, you libtard fucks always got to twist shit up to make someone look bad. In this case you are the only one that looks bad. Now go climb back under your rock where you love it so well.
    Trump, did call this drug a game changer, and by doing so created shortages of the drug that are needed for conditions that it is actually prescribed for like Lupus.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/h...ronavirus.html
    MWP, did you even read this article? It was actually quite positive on hydroxychloquine, when you read between the lines. It gave an example where 3,000 health care workers were being given this drug as a preventive measure. Do you really think doctors would prescribe a drug to their own health care workers if they thought it wouldn’t help them?

    To sum up this article it, more or less, says the jury is still out on this drug and how effective it is at treating the coronavirus. It tries to put a negative spin on it, but if you read through the lines, it’s more positive than I thought. Doctors are using it in a lot of hospitals, and it’s not because of something Trump said at a news conference.

    I also looked up your claim of shortages of this drug for patients with Lupus and I couldn’t find one example of this happening. I found many articles (a couple were in The NY Times) that said this could happen, or this was a concern. I couldn’t find any that said this has happened. I found one article that said a Lupus patient “had trouble” filling their prescription, but this could be for many reasons, one being a political agenda against Trump.

    Trust me, The NY Times and all your liberal buddies are looking for that one Lupus patient that can’t get this drug. If they find this one patient, trust me, it will make the headlines in all the liberal newspapers. So far it hasn’t happened, so they resorts to fear monger and playing “what ifs. Well so far “what if” hasn’t happened.

    MWP, you really need to go back to grade school and take a course on reading. I can see you have a difficult time comprehending things. You see things in articles that aren’t there. Probably because you’ve been a liberal so long your brain no longer functions normally.
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-22-2020 at 02:51 AM.

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    So it was stupid to test the drug for treatment of coronavirus. Is that your opinion of every drug being tested for it?

    For the record Trump did not tout the drug as a game changer. He said the drug need to be pursued to see if it would successfully treat coronavirus. However, you libtard fucks always got to twist shit up to make someone look bad. In this case you are the only one that looks bad. Now go climb back under your rock where you love it so well.
    Trump, did call this drug a game changer, and by doing so created shortages of the drug that are needed for conditions that it is actually prescribed for like Lupus.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/h...ronavirus.html
    MWP, did you even read this article? It was actually quite positive on hydroxychloquine, when you read between the lines. It gave an example where 3,000 health care workers were being given this drug as a preventive measure. Do you really think doctors would prescribe a drug to their own health care workers if they thought it wouldn’t help them?

    To sum up this article it, more or less, says the jury is still out on this drug and how effective it is at treating the coronavirus. It tries to put a negative spin on it, but if you read through the lines, it’s more positive than I thought. Doctors are using it in a lot of hospitals, and it’s not because of something Trump said at a news conference.

    I also looked up your claim of shortages of this drug for patients with Lupus and I couldn’t find one example of this happening. I found many articles (a couple were in The NY Times) that said this could happen, or this was a concern. I couldn’t find any that said this has happened. I found one article that said a Lupus patient “had trouble” filling their prescription, but this could be for many reasons, one being a political agenda against Trump.

    Trust me, The NY Times and all your liberal buddies are looking for that one Lupus patient that can’t get this drug. If they find this one patient, trust me, it will make the headlines in all the liberal newspapers. So far it hasn’t happened, so they resorts to fear monger and playing “what ifs. Well so far “what if” hasn’t happened.

    MWP, you really need to go back to grade school and take a course on reading. I can see you have a difficult time comprehending things. You see things in articles that aren’t there. Probably because you’ve been a liberal so long your brain no longer functions normally.
    He didn't get much out of that (Kent State?) education.

    And he never answered my questions.

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    It was absurd to think that it would work. All sorts of fringe "scientists" and quacks for hire might decide to test about anything.
    Damn, you have a lot of strawman arguments. No one said it would work. What was said was it needed to be tested to see if it works as a treatment. And only "quacks" would not test every drug to see if it works against coronavirus. Your way is stupid.
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  20. #60
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    I recall studying in psychopharmacology that they dumped chromosomes into pure liquid LSD, and, guess what! the chromosomes broke apart. So then some started claiming that LSD destroyed chromosomes.

    Similarly, if you dumped coronavirus into pure ammonia or ethanol (or hydroxychloroquine) I assume it would put the virus to sleep (you can't really "kill" a virus as it is not alive to begin with, you just stop it from replicating). Doesn't mean we should start drinking heavily or imbibing ammonia (or poisoning ourselves with hydroxychloroquine).

    Just common sense.
    Doesn't mean we should start drinking heavily or imbibing ammonia (or poisoning ourselves with hydroxychloroquine). Or does it?
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavir...011628091.html
    At a White House briefing Thursday, President Trump speculated about whether doctors might try to put disinfectants in the human body to combat the coronavirus, perhaps by an injection.

    The rest of you may poison your bodies with hydroxychloroquine. Mine is running FAR too well to leave room for any of those obvious toxins. No thank you!
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