It's mainland China's fault

[redietz]

Well, I can see why. When two threads are entitled "The Coronavirus Scam," people visiting the forum for the first time are not going to be taking any gambling info seriously. Kind of undercuts any semblance of credibility for other topics.

Imagine somebody reading comments about the Martingale scammer from posters who think "coronavirus is a scam." What the hell are they supposed to think? The same folks that brought you "coronavirus is a scam" are bringing you "Martingale dude is a scam."

1. The BIGGEST SCAM is mainland China getting WHO to lie about Wuhan Virus. They lied to America. They lied to Donald Trump et al. We now have mass graves in places like New York City.

The official death count is about 50K right now but could be 80K+ if they include others but were never tested. Nursing homes are now death traps so if you were guilty of being healthy (no comorbidity) but old (e.g. weaken immunity), then you were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

2. The second scam was CDC advising against face masks due to fear that we would run out of surgical masks. The morons at CDC forgot that there were many alternatives to surgical masks as face masks. We DID NOT need a lock down if everyone wore face masks.

Hong Kong did not have a lock down and they wore face masks. Taiwan did not have a lock down either and they wore face masks.

It made no F*CKING sense face mask worked and saved lives in 1918 but won’t work in 2020. CDC blew it.

If there is any SCAM, Americans are the victims as WHO lied and kept the world in the dark. Wuhan Virus is now the leading cause of death in USA with 50K to 80K deaths in about two months. Again, we don’t have an accurate count of deaths ... only Belgium has the accurate count and their death rate is currently at 560 per million.

WHO failed miserably, but failed with between a dozen and two dozen U.S. representatives on the ground at WHO headquarters working on it, so we were part of the problem.

I said a couple of weeks ago, when it comes to grading, I gave the CDC a 0, the president a 1, and the rest of federal leadership a 2.

One of the few things I got wrong early was I listened to the CDC regarding masks. My girlfriend, who followed the Japanese and South Korean reports more closely than me, designed masks and sewed a half a dozen a long time ago.

When I went to Las Vegas in February, purposefully avoiding Chinese New Year and Mardi Gras (got there on Fat Tuesday), I wore gloves in the airport and on planes, but not a mask because I bought the CDC arguments, which turned out to be bullshit. The CDC just did not want civilians buying masks. So the girlfriend was right and I was wrong.

This is going to be an 18-month grind, at the least.

[Rob.Singer]

I've told everyone many times what the purpose behind his scouring these forums ia and always has been. Now he gets a chance to look even more stoopid. And he passes that test.

[redietz]

I've told everyone many times what the purpose behind his scouring these forums ia and always has been. Now he gets a chance to look even more stoopid. And he passes that test.

Except for the facts that:

(1) That 5K reward is still out there, Rob, if you find any evidence of me selling anything via posts or PMs. Feel free to claim it.
(2) Boz knows for a fact I never even hinted at selling or partnerships or any of that via PM on this site.
(3) There is no mechanism for selling anything on the blog site. It's completely non-commercial. There are no ads for anything.


Other than that, you are spot on, as per usual.

[redietz]

Says the low-brow, knuckle dragging hicktard who wrote about virus is a scam right before 26 million Americans become jobless.

Or missed the fact Wuhan virus is now leading cause of death in America.

You don’t even understand DAS 10 in video blackjack.

Gentlemen, gentlemen. I recommend "When Prophecy Fails" by Leon Festinger, an old classic, for a primer helping to explain how reasonably intelligent people, once committed to a religion, refuse to de-commit regardless of overwhelming evidence.

For example, take yesterday for example.

Ask a diehard presidential/Fox News supporter what policy change by the president would cause him to lose their support. Get out your stopwatch. There will be an interminable delay because (1) they haven't ever really thought about it, (2) they're having trouble coming up with one, and (3) really, nothing that happens will disconfirm them.

As I was saying, take yesterday for example. Up until the "task force briefing," anyone who was berating the Georgia governor for re-opening would have been branded a scaredy-cat libtard or some such.

Take me, for example: https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...r-massage.html

To continue, up until the press conference, my position would have been flaming lefty, libtard, coward, or un-American. But then the Prez came on TV and agreed with me!

Now I suppose my position is the correct one. Or am I and the President now wrong? Quite the dilemma. That is what religion, especially authoritarian religion, will do to people.

Again, When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger will point you in the right direction to understanding these effects.

Redietz, you seem to think you are smarter than everyone else in the room. When really it comes down you are just as political as all of us and are pushing your agenda.

Only thing I still can’t figure out is why someone as successfully self employed like you is enjoying the crashing of the economy for political gain. And WANTS more deaths to justify that agenda.

Maybe there is more behind the curtain that what we have been told. And stop shilling your website, you just make those who called you out for trying to sell picks look better.

Boz, that's not the integrity sports website. I have the integritysports.com name and have had it for 30 years, but haven't commercially used it in a long time. The website with the blog has no commercial mechanism or logistics. You cannot sell anything on it. And it has no commercial links or ads to anyone else.

You can't buy anything on that site, is what I'm saying. It has no links to any site selling anything.

And finally, I have not "sold picks" in years.

I link the blog here, not because I'm shooting for website counts (I don't earn a cent no matter if the count is one or a million), but because this has essentially become an alt-right forum site. And it gives some real bad information, as many alt-right sites do. So to those lurkers who want to keep up with a science-based perspective and how an actual gambler uses probability-based perspectives to sort through this pandemic, I offer the blog.

Let's face it, if people bought into the VCT "Coronavirus is a scam" threads from the beginning, there's a good chance some people got sick who didn't need to. Maybe some people died.

The blog linkage is a way to offset the alt-right nonsense on this site.

[The Boz]

Gentlemen, gentlemen. I recommend "When Prophecy Fails" by Leon Festinger, an old classic, for a primer helping to explain how reasonably intelligent people, once committed to a religion, refuse to de-commit regardless of overwhelming evidence.

For example, take yesterday for example.

Ask a diehard presidential/Fox News supporter what policy change by the president would cause him to lose their support. Get out your stopwatch. There will be an interminable delay because (1) they haven't ever really thought about it, (2) they're having trouble coming up with one, and (3) really, nothing that happens will disconfirm them.

As I was saying, take yesterday for example. Up until the "task force briefing," anyone who was berating the Georgia governor for re-opening would have been branded a scaredy-cat libtard or some such.

Take me, for example: https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...r-massage.html

To continue, up until the press conference, my position would have been flaming lefty, libtard, coward, or un-American. But then the Prez came on TV and agreed with me!

Now I suppose my position is the correct one. Or am I and the President now wrong? Quite the dilemma. That is what religion, especially authoritarian religion, will do to people.

Again, When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger will point you in the right direction to understanding these effects.

Redietz, you seem to think you are smarter than everyone else in the room. When really it comes down you are just as political as all of us and are pushing your agenda.

Only thing I still can’t figure out is why someone as successfully self employed like you is enjoying the crashing of the economy for political gain. And WANTS more deaths to justify that agenda.

Maybe there is more behind the curtain that what we have been told. And stop shilling your website, you just make those who called you out for trying to sell picks look better.

Boz, that's not the integrity sports website. I have the integritysports.com name and have had it for 30 years, but haven't commercially used it in a long time. The website with the blog has no commercial mechanism or logistics. You cannot sell anything on it. And it has no commercial links or ads to anyone else.

You can't buy anything on that site, is what I'm saying. It has no links to any site selling anything.

And finally, I have not "sold picks" in years.

Sometimes facts DON’T matter, only appearances. Yes, I know you never tried to sell me picks or any service. That said, the appearance of it doesn’t look good for you.

[redietz]

Boz, I don't care about appearances. I bought a "I'm Not Gay, but $20 is $20" T-shirt, and I'm a gay rights advocate. Let people draw whatever conclusion they want about me, as long as it's fact-based and not invented.

At some point you have to come to grips with the fact that accurately telling people what will happen is not the same as wishing them dead.

[The Boz]

And MORE bad news for the Fearmongers on here straight from Cuomo’s mouth!

https://www.amny.com/coronavirus/pre...eks-ago-cuomo/

“More than 21 percent of around 1,300 people in New York City who were tested for coronavirus antibodies this week were found to have them, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said on Thursday.”.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/n...rk-update.html

This certainly KILLS the death rate scam many are pushing that this will KILL you.

“But if the state’s numbers indicated the true incidence of the virus, they would mean that more than 1.7 million people in New York City, and more than 2.6 million people statewide, have already been infected.
That is far greater than the 250,000 confirmed cases of the virus itself that the state has recorded“

Just more reasons to open it up!

[The Boz]

Boz, I don't care about appearances. I bought a "I'm Not Gay, but $20 is $20" T-shirt, and I'm a gay rights advocate. Let people draw whatever conclusion they want about me, as long as it's fact-based and not invented.

At some point you have to come to grips with the fact that accurately telling people what will happen is not the same as wishing them dead.

In this case I hope you want to be proven wrong. Sadly you have given me reasons to think you don’t want to be wrong. And that disappoints me.

[LMR]

Boz, I don't care about appearances. I bought a "I'm Not Gay, but $20 is $20" T-shirt, and I'm a gay rights advocate. Let people draw whatever conclusion they want about me, as long as it's fact-based and not invented.

At some point you have to come to grips with the fact that accurately telling people what will happen is not the same as wishing them dead.

In this case I hope you want to be proven wrong. Sadly you have given me reasons to think you don’t want to be wrong. And that disappoints me.

It's makes no difference what we want when and where we have no say. More often, it's the people who claim they want good that are the real trouble makers. The ones who can joke about it are the ones I tend to believe in.

[Rob.Singer]

I've told everyone many times what the purpose behind his scouring these forums ia and always has been. Now he gets a chance to look even more stoopid. And he passes that test.

Except for the facts that:

(1) That 5K reward is still out there, Rob, if you find any evidence of me selling anything via posts or PMs. Feel free to claim it.
(2) Boz knows for a fact I never even hinted at selling or partnerships or any of that via PM on this site.
(3) There is no mechanism for selling anything on the blog site. It's completely non-commercial. There are no ads for anything.


Other than that, you are spot on, as per usual.

Yeah....all that scientific, fact-based analysis shows up once again.

Tell us again exactly howit is that "Boz knows for a fact everything you do and do not do on this site? Put up some more of that scientific evidence to put minds at ease...

Good idea choosing to post your nonsense on WoV, given that what drew you to it was its weirdo collection of libtard suckers who can't tell when and whether you're soliciting them or not, and how you can play out your homo-fantasies without interruption.

[mickeycrimm]

You write countless lengthy posts on coronavirus but think others are the covidiots. Take a look in the mirror, dude. You are the biggest covidiot on this site.

Says the low-brow, knuckle dragging hicktard who wrote about virus is a scam right before 26 million Americans become jobless.

Or missed the fact Wuhan virus is now leading cause of death in America.

You don’t even understand DAS 10 in video blackjack.

First, for the blackjack. You are stupidly wrong on DAS. You couldn't even quote the rules screen correctly. You were so wrong about it that you are really a fraud trying to pose yourself as someone that knows something about it. You don't.

I used that particular rules screen to identify the machines with the glitch. I advised people to take a pic of that rules screen. It was completely different than all the others. Did you? Fuck no, because you are to stupid. That's what funny about you. You are stupid but think it's the other people that are stupid. That makes you stooooooooppppppiiiiiiiddddddeerrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!

And I called it a scam just before 26 million people lost their jobs? Dude, you are a complete idiot. 26 million people losing their jobs was the scam. You covitards have managed to scare the piss out of people. That twentysomething kid that is afraid to go to his job that is classified as essential has a better chance of being killed in a car driving to or from work than being killed by coronavirus.

Everyone knows highway fatalities are down right now. Will you call for a ban on driving to continue to save lives? Why haven't you or redietz ever spoken about this before---if you are so concerned about fatalies?

[mickeycrimm]

Gentlemen, gentlemen. I recommend "When Prophecy Fails" by Leon Festinger, an old classic, for a primer helping to explain how reasonably intelligent people, once committed to a religion, refuse to de-commit regardless of overwhelming evidence.

For example, take yesterday for example.

Ask a diehard presidential/Fox News supporter what policy change by the president would cause him to lose their support. Get out your stopwatch. There will be an interminable delay because (1) they haven't ever really thought about it, (2) they're having trouble coming up with one, and (3) really, nothing that happens will disconfirm them.

As I was saying, take yesterday for example. Up until the "task force briefing," anyone who was berating the Georgia governor for re-opening would have been branded a scaredy-cat libtard or some such.

Take me, for example: https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...r-massage.html

To continue, up until the press conference, my position would have been flaming lefty, libtard, coward, or un-American. But then the Prez came on TV and agreed with me!

Now I suppose my position is the correct one. Or am I and the President now wrong? Quite the dilemma. That is what religion, especially authoritarian religion, will do to people.

Again, When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger will point you in the right direction to understanding these effects.

Redietz, you seem to think you are smarter than everyone else in the room. When really it comes down you are just as political as all of us and are pushing your agenda.

Only thing I still can’t figure out is why someone as successfully self employed like you is enjoying the crashing of the economy for political gain. And WANTS more deaths to justify that agenda.

Maybe there is more behind the curtain that what we have been told. And stop shilling your website, you just make those who called you out for trying to sell picks look better.

Boz, that's not the integrity sports website. I have the integritysports.com name and have had it for 30 years, but haven't commercially used it in a long time. The website with the blog has no commercial mechanism or logistics. You cannot sell anything on it. And it has no commercial links or ads to anyone else.

You can't buy anything on that site, is what I'm saying. It has no links to any site selling anything.

And finally, I have not "sold picks" in years.

I link the blog here, not because I'm shooting for website counts (I don't earn a cent no matter if the count is one or a million), but because this has essentially become an alt-right forum site. And it gives some real bad information, as many alt-right sites do. So to those lurkers who want to keep up with a science-based perspective and how an actual gambler uses probability-based perspectives to sort through this pandemic, I offer the blog.

Let's face it, if people bought into the VCT "Coronavirus is a scam" threads from the beginning, there's a good chance some people got sick who didn't need to. Maybe some people died.

The blog linkage is a way to offset the alt-right nonsense on this site.

Complete and utter bullshit from the alt-left. Once again we get the "I'm smarter than you" bullshit from redietz. His ilk are notorious for fake news but here he is trying to say we are the fake news. Redietz keeps saying his predictions are and have been accurate. Bullshit! His "sky is falling prediction" early on, which he got from the bad models, was that 2.2 million would die from coronavirus. Remember he kept saying "do the math! do the math!" Well the early models he followed have all been thrown out the window because they wildly exaggerated. But for some strange reason, and using smoke and mirrors, redietz keeps saying he's been right all along.

But that's the way of socialists. The end justifies the means. They don't care if they are right or wrong so long as the country winds up socialist. Their intention is to scare the country into economic suicide to facilitate the change to socialism.

[AndrewG]

I thought the model forecast of 2.2 million dead was based on the population doing nothing and letting the disease run its course?

The next model was 100,000 to 240,000 dead but it was that model that was exaggerated because "mitigation" has been working better than hoped.

[LMR]

Prominent alt-rightists were instrumental in organising the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia in August 2017. Here, rally participants carry Confederate battle flags, Gadsden flags and a Nazi flag.

[LMR]

I thought the model forecast of 2.2 million dead was based on the population doing nothing and letting the disease run its course?

The next model was 100,000 to 240,000 dead but it was that model that was exaggerated because "mitigation" has been working better than hoped.

There should be a model to take into account the change in models.

[dannyj]

You write countless lengthy posts on coronavirus but think others are the covidiots. Take a look in the mirror, dude. You are the biggest covidiot on this site.

Says the low-brow, knuckle dragging hicktard who wrote about virus is a scam right before 26 million Americans become jobless.

Or missed the fact Wuhan virus is now leading cause of death in America.

You don’t even understand DAS 10 in video blackjack.

Gentlemen, gentlemen. I recommend "When Prophecy Fails" by Leon Festinger, an old classic, for a primer helping to explain how reasonably intelligent people, once committed to a religion, refuse to de-commit regardless of overwhelming evidence.

For example, take yesterday for example.

Ask a diehard presidential/Fox News supporter what policy change by the president would cause him to lose their support. Get out your stopwatch. There will be an interminable delay because (1) they haven't ever really thought about it, (2) they're having trouble coming up with one, and (3) really, nothing that happens will disconfirm them.

As I was saying, take yesterday for example. Up until the "task force briefing," anyone who was berating the Georgia governor for re-opening would have been branded a scaredy-cat libtard or some such.

Take me, for example: https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...r-massage.html

To continue, up until the press conference, my position would have been flaming lefty, libtard, coward, or un-American. But then the Prez came on TV and agreed with me!

Now I suppose my position is the correct one. Or am I and the President now wrong? Quite the dilemma. That is what religion, especially authoritarian religion, will do to people.

Again, When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger will point you in the right direction to understanding these effects.

Hi red,
As a Trump supporter I wanted to answer your policy change question. I suppose he would have to do an about face from his stance on our 2nd amendment rights as well as his position as a pro life president. He’d also have to be suddenly pro socialism for me to say no more. Since we’re talking about a lesser of two evils, he’d basically have to be to the left Biden.
Ain’t gonna happen.

The other point about religion, which is actually a word I don’t like, yes I am a Christian who believes in Christ as my savior. Not so much in religion.
But speaking about authoritarian religion, you never hear anyone (on the left) bang on Muslims for their beliefs. It always seems to be Christians. Now I know you didn’t mention either of these by name you just stated religion. But speaking of authoritarian religion look no further than the theocracies in the Middle East and elsewhere including here in the US. I was just wondering if you ever told a Muslim that overwhelming evidence shows they’re stupid for believing what they do.

[dannyj]

“this has essentially become an alt-right forum site”

red, - I take umbrage with this quote from you earlier. It’s not a great big deal, I just think you’re painting with too broad a brush. Does this site have more conservatives than liberals? Probably. But I think you may have lost some objectivity. For a self described left of Marx guy, anyone who is a strong conservative might seem alt right.

I don’t even know what “alt right” means. I’m a pro God, pro gun, pro life conservative. Does that make me alt right? By today’s media standards, yeah it probably does. It wouldn’t have 20 years ago.

If you are left of Marx, does that make you alt left? Is antifa? Or Black Lives Matter? How about the abortion on demand crew, or worse, the abortion after birth gang. Are they alt left?
Too many labels anymore.

[monet]

Sometimes facts DON’T matter, only appearances. Yes, I know you never tried to sell me picks or any service. That said, the appearance of it doesn’t look good for you.

I hate to say it but Rob Singers arguments are stronger than they were before.
I don't think redietz needs to actually message people or sell his picks directly.
We have all, indirectly, been informed that he has picks to sell.
It is a constant theme over and over again and he doesn't even have to push or sell the theme.
Before the shutdown redietz was willing to meet up with just about anyone in Vegas or other places.
I don't understand how a connected guy, who is street wise, turns into some voice for Gay Rights?
I don't want Satanists teaching us their doctrine in any way, shape or form.
I also don't want homosexuals doing the same thing in the schools or positions of power.
Probably can't escape either as they have infected all forms of entertainment and life for the most part.
If that makes me racist... so be it.

A few years ago I realized I needed to get to a self sustaining farm or mountain life.
I couldn't convince the family in time and I was too late and I procrastinated too long.
Probably wouldn't matter as the powers that be will eventually take over those rights or ideas.
I am currently too dependent on oil and the easy life.
Live and Learn... Live and Learn.

I guess I found my answer as Italy and the Mafia have accepted Gay Men now.
Just recently reported Dec 7, 2019.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/07/italia...-it-in-public/

I guess they dropped their deadly ban on gay mobsters.
Not sure I believe everything in print though.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/12/...y-people-ever/

[The Boz]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/she-...er-for-it.html

From CNBC, more proof a certain amount of employees want to get paid and NOT work.

Perhaps Redietz and his beliefs are spreading.

Free Picks and Money for everyone!

[theywontpayontuesday]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/she-...er-for-it.html

From CNBC, more proof a certain amount of employees want to get paid and NOT work.

Perhaps Redietz and his beliefs are spreading.

Free Picks and Money for everyone!

Only proof people forced unemployment want more money. None are happy.