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    I know some people here at least scan Blackjack the Forum (BTF) from time to time. I put this in the sub-forum on Coronavirus, since I don't want to muck up the Vegas main forum, and this is, more or less, politics, which is pretty much what Coronavirus has become.

    Has anybody been keeping up with BTF? Today it's become an all out political war, although I'm sure Norm and Don (Norm's sidekick) won't admit it. Today, you finally had a couple reasonable people taking on the established liberal position of coronavirus on BTF. These reasonable people have said that maybe there is a happy medium between total lock down (the liberal position, which is meant to destroy the economy and bring liberals to power) and partially opening things up (the conservative and reasonable position).

    Norm and Don have come out guns-a-blazing attacking anybody that would think differently than they do, since obviously they're liberals. Liberals think they know everything, and want people to conform to their way of thinking.

    Don (a true blackjack expert, but someone who doesn't have a clue when it comes to reality) said opening things up and letting people back into casinos would be like "leading lambs to slaughter". I thought this was an interesting phase by Don, since it showed what Don thinks of the masses. This is how liberals think! They see the "common Joe" as a "lamb" that needs to be protected by government.

    Norm chimed in repeatedly calling out anybody who thought our society should open up. In that one thread, Norm has posted 6 times. He's never posted that many times when I was an active member over there.

    In one post Norm said: "Please don't spread misinformation like this." when someone made a post that was 100% accurate. The good news is a regular actually came to this poster's defensive, pointing out his post was accurate. Apparently, Norm backed down, and didn't follow up. When I was over there, Norm would sensor my posts. This is one of the main reasons I quit posting on BTF. I got tired of Norm censoring any view that didn't agree with his liberal views.

    What do I like about this site, Vegas Casino Talk? There is no pretense on what it is. It allows freedom of speech. I've never met Dan Druff, or Alan (who started this site), but I respect what they've done here. They've got an excellent gambling and AP site, but they also allow people to freely express their views unfiltered. There are not many places where someone can do that today. I have no idea what their politics are, and i don't care. But I respect they've allowed freedom of expression here.

    Blackjack the Forum claims it doesn't want politics, but right now that's all it is. Norm, the moderator, and his sidekick, Don, attacks anybody who thinks differently they they do. Today, BTF is probably one of the most political sites around, but they don't even know it.
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-26-2020 at 09:06 PM.

  2. #2
    Dan is the polar opposite of the dictators that moderate WOV (Shank and BBB) I remember not so long ago, WOV was a great forum and a LOT looser then it is today. They lost HUNDREDS of great posters over the years, many left because of the Wiz and his powertripping ways. That forum is a shell of its former self. Kudos to Dan for allowing freedom of speach

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    I know some people here at least scan Blackjack the Forum (BTF) from time to time. I put this in the sub-forum on Coronavirus, since I don't want to muck up the Vegas main forum, and this is, more or less, politics, which is pretty much what Coronavirus has become.

    Has anybody been keeping up with BTF? Today it's become an all out political war, although I'm sure Norm and Don (Norm's sidekick) won't admit it. Today, you finally had a couple reasonable people taking on the established liberal position of coronavirus on BTF. These reasonable people have said that maybe there is a happy medium between total lock down (the liberal position, which is meant to destroy the economy and bring liberals to power) and partially opening things up (the conservative and reasonable position).

    Norm and Don have come out guns-a-blazing attacking anybody that would think differently than they do, since obviously they're liberals. Liberals think they know everything, and want people to conform to their way of thinking.

    Don (a true blackjack expert, but someone who doesn't have a clue when it comes to reality) said opening things up and letting people back into casinos would be like "leading lambs to slaughter". I thought this was an interesting phase by Don, since it showed what Don thinks of the masses. This is how liberals think! They see the "common Joe" as a "lamb" that needs to be protected by government.

    Norm chimed in repeatedly calling out anybody who thought our society should open up. In that one thread, Norm has posted 6 times. He's never posted that many times when I was an active member over there.

    In one post Norm said: "Please don't spread misinformation like this." when someone made a post that was 100% accurate. The good news is a regular actually came to this poster's defensive, pointing out his post was accurate. Apparently, Norm backed down, and didn't follow up. When I was over there, Norm would sensor my posts. This is one of the main reasons I quit posting on BTF. I got tired of Norm censoring any view that didn't agree with his liberal views.

    What do I like about this site, Vegas Casino Talk? There is no pretense on what it is. It allows freedom of speech. I've never met Dan Druff, or Alan (who started this site), but I respect what they've done here. They've got an excellent gambling and AP site, but they also allow people to freely express their views unfiltered. There are not many places where someone can do that today. I have no idea what their politics are, and i don't care. But I respect they've allowed freedom of expression here.

    Blackjack the Forum claims it doesn't want politics, but right now that's all it is. Norm, the moderator, and his sidekick, Don, attacks anybody who thinks differently they they do. Today, BTF is probably one of the most political sites around, but they don't even know it.
    Too bad that one is getting too political, not like this one that people have the good discipline to keep to strictly gambling even though there is such of shortage of other places to talk specifically about politics on the internet.

    Good thing the liberals haven’t taken over this one yet because just today I saw some liberals raping kittens, skinning puppy dogs alive, smashing babies skulls in with hammers, and worst of all switching signs on bathrooms so trannys would piss in the wrong bathroom!

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    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    I know some people here at least scan Blackjack the Forum (BTF) from time to time. I put this in the sub-forum on Coronavirus, since I don't want to muck up the Vegas main forum, and this is, more or less, politics, which is pretty much what Coronavirus has become.

    Has anybody been keeping up with BTF? Today it's become an all out political war, although I'm sure Norm and Don (Norm's sidekick) won't admit it. Today, you finally had a couple reasonable people taking on the established liberal position of coronavirus on BTF. These reasonable people have said that maybe there is a happy medium between total lock down (the liberal position, which is meant to destroy the economy and bring liberals to power) and partially opening things up (the conservative and reasonable position).

    Norm and Don have come out guns-a-blazing attacking anybody that would think differently than they do, since obviously they're liberals. Liberals think they know everything, and want people to conform to their way of thinking.

    Don (a true blackjack expert, but someone who doesn't have a clue when it comes to reality) said opening things up and letting people back into casinos would be like "leading lambs to slaughter". I thought this was an interesting phase by Don, since it showed what Don thinks of the masses. This is how liberals think! They see the "common Joe" as a "lamb" that needs to be protected by government.

    Norm chimed in repeatedly calling out anybody who thought our society should open up. In that one thread, Norm has posted 6 times. He's never posted that many times when I was an active member over there.

    In one post Norm said: "Please don't spread misinformation like this." when someone made a post that was 100% accurate. The good news is a regular actually came to this poster's defensive, pointing out his post was accurate. Apparently, Norm backed down, and didn't follow up. When I was over there, Norm would sensor my posts. This is one of the main reasons I quit posting on BTF. I got tired of Norm censoring any view that didn't agree with his liberal views.

    What do I like about this site, Vegas Casino Talk? There is no pretense on what it is. It allows freedom of speech. I've never met Dan Druff, or Alan (who started this site), but I respect what they've done here. They've got an excellent gambling and AP site, but they also allow people to freely express their views unfiltered. There are not many places where someone can do that today. I have no idea what their politics are, and i don't care. But I respect they've allowed freedom of expression here.

    Blackjack the Forum claims it doesn't want politics, but right now that's all it is. Norm, the moderator, and his sidekick, Don, attacks anybody who thinks differently they they do. Today, BTF is probably one of the most political sites around, but they don't even know it.
    Too bad that one is getting too political, not like this one that people have the good discipline to keep to strictly gambling even though there is such of shortage of other places to talk specifically about politics on the internet.

    Good thing the liberals haven’t taken over this one yet because just today I saw some liberals raping kittens, skinning puppy dogs alive, smashing babies skulls in with hammers, and worst of all switching signs on bathrooms so trannys would piss in the wrong bathroom!
    DeGenBen, that’s interesting! We must live in the same town, because I saw the same thing. When will those libs stop the madness? But I think what was really going on was criminals were doing those things, while liberals were cowering down in their basements.

    As far as gambling topics, that’s for the Vegas sub-forum. This one is labeled “coronavirus”, where all topics related to coronavirus go.

    I’m assuming you know how to read, but I know that’s assuming a lot since you are a liberal. That’s too bad! Hope you grow out of it, and it’s nothing terminal like what happened to MidWest Player.

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    Actually don’t consider myself a liberal, but I am glad that you can determine who a liberal is by reading 2 sentences of writing.

    I actually have some friends that are business owners and are conservatives. They don’t like to hire liberals but some times its tough to weed them out in the interviews since HR (Now HR f#$kers are some serious liberals and I can not stand those, wanna talk about political correctness on steroids and a complete lack of common sense? HR people!) Anyway HR typically doesn’t allow interview questions that would get into someone’s politics so Im thinking maybe they could just have them write a sentence or 2 and you could read that and ferret out who the liberals are.

    And since liberal is a fairly broad term, maybe you could also narrow down what type of liberal they are. Social liberal fiscal conservative? Fiscal liberal social conservative? Reagan Democrat? Liberal cuz its cool but drives a BMW and secretly votes republican to keep their taxes low? Safe space microagression feminazi PC quad-gender hybrid driving ecoterrorist vegan Che Gueverra loving piss in the wrong restroom liberal?

    Well maybe for the sub-classications you might need 3 or 4 sentences. That would be a good racket though and I’m sure they would pay good money for you to do the analysis and subclassifcation in a sentence or 2.

    What do you think? You do teach physics PHDs about where Einstein was wrong so they don’t make the same mistakes so this should be pretty easy. You could put a warning label on the classification too that if you get it wrong and say they are not a liberal when they actually were you can’t be held responsible if they fall in a bucket and drown.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Too bad that one is getting too political, not like this one that people have the good discipline to keep to strictly gambling even though there is such of shortage of other places to talk specifically about politics on the internet.

    Good thing the liberals haven’t taken over this one yet because just today I saw some liberals raping kittens, skinning puppy dogs alive, smashing babies skulls in with hammers, and worst of all switching signs on bathrooms so trannys would piss in the wrong bathroom!
    I heard about that from a guy who heard about it.
    I dismissed it but thanks for confirming what I did not believe.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Actually don’t consider myself a liberal, but I am glad that you can determine who a liberal is by reading 2 sentences of writing.

    I actually have some friends that are business owners and are conservatives. They don’t like to hire liberals but some times its tough to weed them out in the interviews since HR (Now HR f#$kers are some serious liberals and I can not stand those, wanna talk about political correctness on steroids and a complete lack of common sense? HR people!) Anyway HR typically doesn’t allow interview questions that would get into someone’s politics so Im thinking maybe they could just have them write a sentence or 2 and you could read that and ferret out who the liberals are.

    And since liberal is a fairly broad term, maybe you could also narrow down what type of liberal they are. Social liberal fiscal conservative? Fiscal liberal social conservative? Reagan Democrat? Liberal cuz its cool but drives a BMW and secretly votes republican to keep their taxes low? Safe space microagression feminazi PC quad-gender hybrid driving ecoterrorist vegan Che Gueverra loving piss in the wrong restroom liberal?

    Well maybe for the sub-classications you might need 3 or 4 sentences. That would be a good racket though and I’m sure they would pay good money for you to do the analysis and subclassifcation in a sentence or 2.

    What do you think? You do teach physics PHDs about where Einstein was wrong so they don’t make the same mistakes so this should be pretty easy. You could put a warning label on the classification too that if you get it wrong and say they are not a liberal when they actually were you can’t be held responsible if they fall in a bucket and drown.
    Hey DGenBen, I’m sure you were trying to make a point, and it was probably a good one, but I don’t have time trying to figure out what it is. I’m starting to see you might not be a liberal. You’re probably just confused!

    At this stage in your life you probably don’t know what you believe. Hopefully, your condition will get better as you get older. I sure hope you don’t turn out like MidWest Player. I wouldn’t wish that condition on my worst enemy.

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    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Actually don’t consider myself a liberal, but I am glad that you can determine who a liberal is by reading 2 sentences of writing.

    I actually have some friends that are business owners and are conservatives. They don’t like to hire liberals but some times its tough to weed them out in the interviews since HR (Now HR f#$kers are some serious liberals and I can not stand those, wanna talk about political correctness on steroids and a complete lack of common sense? HR people!) Anyway HR typically doesn’t allow interview questions that would get into someone’s politics so Im thinking maybe they could just have them write a sentence or 2 and you could read that and ferret out who the liberals are.

    And since liberal is a fairly broad term, maybe you could also narrow down what type of liberal they are. Social liberal fiscal conservative? Fiscal liberal social conservative? Reagan Democrat? Liberal cuz its cool but drives a BMW and secretly votes republican to keep their taxes low? Safe space microagression feminazi PC quad-gender hybrid driving ecoterrorist vegan Che Gueverra loving piss in the wrong restroom liberal?

    Well maybe for the sub-classications you might need 3 or 4 sentences. That would be a good racket though and I’m sure they would pay good money for you to do the analysis and subclassifcation in a sentence or 2.

    What do you think? You do teach physics PHDs about where Einstein was wrong so they don’t make the same mistakes so this should be pretty easy. You could put a warning label on the classification too that if you get it wrong and say they are not a liberal when they actually were you can’t be held responsible if they fall in a bucket and drown.
    Hey DGenBen, I’m sure you were trying to make a point, and it was probably a good one, but I don’t have time trying to figure out what it is. I’m starting to see you might not be a liberal. You’re probably just confused!

    At this stage in your life you probably don’t know what you believe. Hopefully, your condition will get better as you get older. I sure hope you don’t turn out like MidWest Player. I wouldn’t wish that condition on my worst enemy.
    Well too bad you don’t have time, I was looking forward to getting educated about basically anything and everything from the man who is smarter than Einstein. I understand that you need that time to fill up every thread on this board about how every problem in the world is because of “liberals” but you have never actually defined what a liberal except something you don’t like.

    Because you seem like a decent guy that has everything figured out, possibly better than God even, I was hoping to understand exactly what your definition of a liberal was (other than something you don’t like) so that I could not be that thing and then maybe you would like me and you could impart all knowledge, wisdom of the universe, and meaning of life into me so that all questions would be answered.

    But thats OK, I totally understand that it is a much better use of your time to just flood every thread with vague generalities and attack people you don’t agree with. I totally get it, i think we would all agree, that is a lot more fun!

    Anyway have a good day today, maybe use some of your supreme wisdom to cure cancer or to turn the world into utopia if you can spare a few minutes from posting on here.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Actually don’t consider myself a liberal, but I am glad that you can determine who a liberal is by reading 2 sentences of writing.

    I actually have some friends that are business owners and are conservatives. They don’t like to hire liberals but some times its tough to weed them out in the interviews since HR (Now HR f#$kers are some serious liberals and I can not stand those, wanna talk about political correctness on steroids and a complete lack of common sense? HR people!) Anyway HR typically doesn’t allow interview questions that would get into someone’s politics so Im thinking maybe they could just have them write a sentence or 2 and you could read that and ferret out who the liberals are.

    And since liberal is a fairly broad term, maybe you could also narrow down what type of liberal they are. Social liberal fiscal conservative? Fiscal liberal social conservative? Reagan Democrat? Liberal cuz its cool but drives a BMW and secretly votes republican to keep their taxes low? Safe space microagression feminazi PC quad-gender hybrid driving ecoterrorist vegan Che Gueverra loving piss in the wrong restroom liberal?

    Well maybe for the sub-classications you might need 3 or 4 sentences. That would be a good racket though and I’m sure they would pay good money for you to do the analysis and subclassifcation in a sentence or 2.

    What do you think? You do teach physics PHDs about where Einstein was wrong so they don’t make the same mistakes so this should be pretty easy. You could put a warning label on the classification too that if you get it wrong and say they are not a liberal when they actually were you can’t be held responsible if they fall in a bucket and drown.
    Hey DGenBen, I’m sure you were trying to make a point, and it was probably a good one, but I don’t have time trying to figure out what it is. I’m starting to see you might not be a liberal. You’re probably just confused!

    At this stage in your life you probably don’t know what you believe. Hopefully, your condition will get better as you get older. I sure hope you don’t turn out like MidWest Player. I wouldn’t wish that condition on my worst enemy.
    Well too bad you don’t have time, I was looking forward to getting educated about basically anything and everything from the man who is smarter than Einstein. I understand that you need that time to fill up every thread on this board about how every problem in the world is because of “liberals” but you have never actually defined what a liberal except something you don’t like.

    Because you seem like a decent guy that has everything figured out, possibly better than God even, I was hoping to understand exactly what your definition of a liberal was (other than something you don’t like) so that I could not be that thing and then maybe you would like me and you could impart all knowledge, wisdom of the universe, and meaning of life into me so that all questions would be answered.

    But thats OK, I totally understand that it is a much better use of your time to just flood every thread with vague generalities and attack people you don’t agree with. I totally get it, i think we would all agree, that is a lot more fun!

    Anyway have a good day today, maybe use some of your supreme wisdom to cure cancer or to turn the world into utopia if you can spare a few minutes from posting on here.
    Hey DGenBen, I’ll give you this, you’re good with the sacrasim, but you’re not very good at making a point.

    I never said I was smarter than Einstein. This is where you are starting to act like a liberal. Liberals like to lie, and make things up.

    I just pointed out where Einstein made errors, and many people have done that. Toward the end of Einstein‘s career not many physicist were paying attention to him, because he was off in left field trying to come up with a unified field theory that any rational person knew was riducles.

    And yes, I understand some physicist are still working on this because they have never even considered the possibility these fields might be different, and can’t be unified. Their belief comes from their evolutionary religious beliefs, which have led them off into left field and away from reality.. Since I’m a creationist, I can have an open mind and believe in the possibility these fields can’t be unified. An evolutionist can’t do this. They have a closed one track mind when it comes to these things. Hope that wasn’t too hard for you to understand.

    Back to the definition of liberal. Obviously, liberal is a very general term and can mean differnt things to different people. When I refer to liberals, I’m typically refferring to what Democrats believe...you know take away people’s freedoms and give it over to the government type of beliefs. And btw, many big business owners are liberals. Just because someone owns a business this doesn’t make them a conservative. I can tell you’re confused on this point, since you refer to some people you know that are business owners.

    So back to your question on what a liberal is. Look up the Democrat platform and that’ll give you a pretty good idea.

    And one more thing; liberals, in general, don’t rape kittens. I think you’ve got that mixed up with some of your other goofball friends.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Hey DGenBen, I’m sure you were trying to make a point, and it was probably a good one, but I don’t have time trying to figure out what it is. I’m starting to see you might not be a liberal. You’re probably just confused!

    At this stage in your life you probably don’t know what you believe. Hopefully, your condition will get better as you get older. I sure hope you don’t turn out like MidWest Player. I wouldn’t wish that condition on my worst enemy.
    Well too bad you don’t have time, I was looking forward to getting educated about basically anything and everything from the man who is smarter than Einstein. I understand that you need that time to fill up every thread on this board about how every problem in the world is because of “liberals” but you have never actually defined what a liberal except something you don’t like.

    Because you seem like a decent guy that has everything figured out, possibly better than God even, I was hoping to understand exactly what your definition of a liberal was (other than something you don’t like) so that I could not be that thing and then maybe you would like me and you could impart all knowledge, wisdom of the universe, and meaning of life into me so that all questions would be answered.

    But thats OK, I totally understand that it is a much better use of your time to just flood every thread with vague generalities and attack people you don’t agree with. I totally get it, i think we would all agree, that is a lot more fun!

    Anyway have a good day today, maybe use some of your supreme wisdom to cure cancer or to turn the world into utopia if you can spare a few minutes from posting on here.
    Hey DGenBen, I’ll give you this, you’re good with the sacrasim, but you’re not very good at making a point.

    I never said I was smarter than Einstein. This is where you are starting to act like a liberal. Liberals like to lie, and make things up.

    I just pointed out where Einstein made errors, and many people have done that. Toward the end of Einstein‘s career not many physicist were paying attention to him, because he was off in left field trying to come up with a unified field theory that any rational person knew was riducles.

    And yes, I understand some physicist are still working on this because they have never even considered the possibility these fields might be different, and can’t be unified. Their belief comes from their evolutionary religious beliefs, which have led them off into left field and away from reality.. Since I’m a creationist, I can have an open mind and believe in the possibility these fields can’t be unified. An evolutionist can’t do this. They have a closed one track mind when it comes to these things. Hope that wasn’t too hard for you to understand.

    Back to the definition of liberal. Obviously, liberal is a very general term and can mean differnt things to different people. When I refer to liberals, I’m typically refferring to what Democrats believe...you know take away people’s freedoms and give it over to the government type of beliefs. And btw, many big business owners are liberals. Just because someone owns a business this doesn’t make them a conservative. I can tell you’re confused on this point, since you refer to some people you know that are business owners.

    So back to your question on what a liberal is. Look up the Democrat platform and that’ll give you a pretty good idea.

    And one more thing; liberals, in general, don’t rape kittens. I think you’ve got that mixed up with some of your other goofball friends.
    Thanks Bob, I’m glad you like the sarcasm I tried to model on it your sarcasm because I do enjoy sarcasm very much and especially enjoy your style of sarcasm. (I really mean that too, I am not being sarcastic by the way)

    I think you are confused on when other people are confused as I said business owners that are conservative, I thought twisting peoples words around was a liberal thing, but I could be wrong. Or you didn't read carefully which is OK I’m more tolerant on people that are confused or have reading difficultly then you are, but that’s probably a liberal feature in me.

    So thank you for finally giving your definition of a liberal. Just so I don’t misrepresent what your definition of it is you are saying a liberal is someone who wants to take people’s freedoms away and give it to the government and also read the Democratic platform?

    Ok, I’m not someone who wants to take people’s freedom away and give it to the government so I’m not a liberal there.

    I browsed the Democratic parties platform and I agree with some of it and disagree with other parts of it. Was actually surprised by how conservative some of it was like supporting our troops, fighting terrorism, and being a leader in the world.

    So if i don’t meet your first criteria (someone who wants to take people’s freedoms away and give them to the government) and I agree with a few of the more conservative items on the platform like the 3 above, but not many of the more liberal ones i.e trade unions, wage equality etc. etc. And I more aligned with the Republican party of many issues such as low taxes, small government, personal responsibility, free speech, etc. so then what does that make me?

    And how did you initially classify me as a liberal from a 2 sentence post that doesn’t state that I want to take people’s freedoms away and give them to the government or have anything to do with the Democratic party platform?

    I appreciate the time you’ve put in on this, you might help me to be as enlightened as you yet!

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post

    Well too bad you don’t have time, I was looking forward to getting educated about basically anything and everything from the man who is smarter than Einstein. I understand that you need that time to fill up every thread on this board about how every problem in the world is because of “liberals” but you have never actually defined what a liberal except something you don’t like.

    Because you seem like a decent guy that has everything figured out, possibly better than God even, I was hoping to understand exactly what your definition of a liberal was (other than something you don’t like) so that I could not be that thing and then maybe you would like me and you could impart all knowledge, wisdom of the universe, and meaning of life into me so that all questions would be answered.

    But thats OK, I totally understand that it is a much better use of your time to just flood every thread with vague generalities and attack people you don’t agree with. I totally get it, i think we would all agree, that is a lot more fun!

    Anyway have a good day today, maybe use some of your supreme wisdom to cure cancer or to turn the world into utopia if you can spare a few minutes from posting on here.
    Hey DGenBen, I’ll give you this, you’re good with the sacrasim, but you’re not very good at making a point.

    I never said I was smarter than Einstein. This is where you are starting to act like a liberal. Liberals like to lie, and make things up.

    I just pointed out where Einstein made errors, and many people have done that. Toward the end of Einstein‘s career not many physicist were paying attention to him, because he was off in left field trying to come up with a unified field theory that any rational person knew was riducles.

    And yes, I understand some physicist are still working on this because they have never even considered the possibility these fields might be different, and can’t be unified. Their belief comes from their evolutionary religious beliefs, which have led them off into left field and away from reality.. Since I’m a creationist, I can have an open mind and believe in the possibility these fields can’t be unified. An evolutionist can’t do this. They have a closed one track mind when it comes to these things. Hope that wasn’t too hard for you to understand.

    Back to the definition of liberal. Obviously, liberal is a very general term and can mean differnt things to different people. When I refer to liberals, I’m typically refferring to what Democrats believe...you know take away people’s freedoms and give it over to the government type of beliefs. And btw, many big business owners are liberals. Just because someone owns a business this doesn’t make them a conservative. I can tell you’re confused on this point, since you refer to some people you know that are business owners.

    So back to your question on what a liberal is. Look up the Democrat platform and that’ll give you a pretty good idea.

    And one more thing; liberals, in general, don’t rape kittens. I think you’ve got that mixed up with some of your other goofball friends.
    Thanks Bob, I’m glad you like the sarcasm I tried to model on it your sarcasm because I do enjoy sarcasm very much and especially enjoy your style of sarcasm. (I really mean that too, I am not being sarcastic by the way)

    I think you are confused on when other people are confused as I said business owners that are conservative, I thought twisting peoples words around was a liberal thing, but I could be wrong. Or you didn't read carefully which is OK I’m more tolerant on people that are confused or have reading difficultly then you are, but that’s probably a liberal feature in me.

    So thank you for finally giving your definition of a liberal. Just so I don’t misrepresent what your definition of it is you are saying a liberal is someone who wants to take people’s freedoms away and give it to the government and also read the Democratic platform?

    Ok, I’m not someone who wants to take people’s freedom away and give it to the government so I’m not a liberal there.

    I browsed the Democratic parties platform and I agree with some of it and disagree with other parts of it. Was actually surprised by how conservative some of it was like supporting our troops, fighting terrorism, and being a leader in the world.

    So if i don’t meet your first criteria (someone who wants to take people’s freedoms away and give them to the government) and I agree with a few of the more conservative items on the platform like the 3 above, but not many of the more liberal ones i.e trade unions, wage equality etc. etc. And I more aligned with the Republican party of many issues such as low taxes, small government, personal responsibility, free speech, etc. so then what does that make me?

    And how did you initially classify me as a liberal from a 2 sentence post that doesn’t state that I want to take people’s freedoms away and give them to the government or have anything to do with the Democratic party platform?

    I appreciate the time you’ve put in on this, you might help me to be as enlightened as you yet!
    DGenBen, look if you’re really serious about understanding this, and what the Democrats and Republican Party stand for, you’re going to have spend some time and read some books. You’re not at the stage where I can help you on a forum.

    For a quick lesson drive through any inner city and you’ll see what the Democrats stand for...it’s keeping people dependent on the government. Of course the Democrat platform is going to include something about the military and police, otherwise they’d never get elected. Look at what they do, rather then their rhetoric. Almost all social programs were the result of Democrats. And these can only happen by taking away people’s freedoms. You can’t have it both ways. You either believe in Government taking care of you or you believe in freedom.

    When you threw out the line “rape the kittens”, etc, I could tell you weren’t as naive as you pretended. This is right out of the liberal playbook, and you know it.

    The difference between my sarcasm and yours is mine is based in truth, and yours is outright lies. That’s one reason I expected you were probably a hard core liberal, and I hit a nerve in you. This is when liberals usually start name calling and lying.

    Good luck with your journey on trying to find truth, if that’s what you’re truly after. The key is to keep an open mind and try to learn....and remember try to refrain from lying and making things up.

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    You never answered my question directly how could you tell I’m a liberal from a 2 sentence post?

    Look I get it, To you liberal is an insult and you just like throwing it around every chance you get with no real idea of whether the person is actually a liberal or not and probably not even understanding what its supposed to be since as you said its very broad, just as the Republican party has its moderate wing, conservative wing, and far right.

    If the Democratic party were outlawed tomorrow and every Democrat was killed, then the liberals in the country would be the moderate wing of the Republican party. In other words, the word liberal as you frequently use it here is meaningless which is my whole point. If you take the most conservative Democrats and compare them to the most moderate Republicans, they are going to be very similar.

    All we do is get bombarded by the news all day with these labels for each side and no real ideas or information being exchanged, just name calling back and forth and it gets old after awhile in the news and on here. If you really have valuable, meaningful ideas, put them out there!

    For the record, I think that what you and others really mean when you say Liberal, is the far left wing of the Democrat party. The AOCs and the crazies who make us all choke on political correctness, welfare state, 89 different gender types etc, etc. I am all for being against that kind of stuff just as I’m sure (or at least assume) you are against the extreme far right with the Nazi’s and KKK.

    When you post on here you like to complain about how liberals twist words, change the subject, make things up, mischaracterize the other side, attack people, and then you do the exact same thing. You like to paraphrase what people say and change the meaning while at the same time nitpicking other people that paraphrased you on a technicality that made no difference in the meaning. You are so obsessed with talking about liberals that I wonder if deep down you are a deeply repressed closet liberal?

    Actually I’m pretty sure what your deal is, is that you just enjoy being argumentative for the sake of it. Hey if that’s what gives you your Jollies more power to you! Not a lot to do right now anyway so maybe you have the right idea.
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    Bob, I’m sorry I overlooked in my last reply where you said I’m probably actually a hard core liberal.

    So sorry I got you so upset. To go from a liberal to a hardcore liberal without out having stated a single liberal position must mean you are very fired up. I should let you get back to whatever it is you do when you are not looking for liberals.

    Im afraid to find out what comes after hard core liberal. Mega King Kong hard core liberal?

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    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Bob, I’m sorry I overlooked in my last reply where you said I’m probably actually a hard core liberal.

    So sorry I got you so upset. To go from a liberal to a hardcore liberal without out having stated a single liberal position must mean you are very fired up. I should let you get back to whatever it is you do when you are not looking for liberals.

    Im afraid to find out what comes after hard core liberal. Mega King Kong hard core liberal?
    Some funny stuff here.

    I don't know, but there must the MickeyCrimm of liberals somewhere. The Anti-big-mini-me Crimm.

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    Einstein thought that spooky action at a distance (entangled particles) was impossible and Bohr thought that this wasn't the case (1920s). Ironically, it was through Einstein's quantum mechanical formulations that the concept of entanglement first manifested itself (it was only later that Einstein came up with hidden variables/locality to explain spooky action at a distance/non-locality; he was in Bohr's camp originally). Years later (1964), John Bell proved that entanglement was possible/happening through his famous thought experiment (Bell's Inequality) and this was later confirmed experimentally many times over, so Bohr was right.

    Apart from this, Einstein's contributions hold up extremely well, and, ironically, as stated above, he was the one that came up with non-locality in the first place, and it was only later that he changed his mind about it (who wouldn't change their mind, it's the most fucking bizarre thing imaginable - like magic really;kudos to Bohr and Bell for sticking to their guns).

    Best, TP
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    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    You never answered my question directly how could you tell I’m a liberal from a 2 sentence post?

    Look I get it, To you liberal is an insult and you just like throwing it around every chance you get with no real idea of whether the person is actually a liberal or not and probably not even understanding what its supposed to be since as you said its very broad, just as the Republican party has its moderate wing, conservative wing, and far right.

    If the Democratic party were outlawed tomorrow and every Democrat was killed, then the liberals in the country would be the moderate wing of the Republican party. In other words, the word liberal as you frequently use it here is meaningless which is my whole point. If you take the most conservative Democrats and compare them to the most moderate Republicans, they are going to be very similar.

    All we do is get bombarded by the news all day with these labels for each side and no real ideas or information being exchanged, just name calling back and forth and it gets old after awhile in the news and on here. If you really have valuable, meaningful ideas, put them out there!

    For the record, I think that what you and others really mean when you say Liberal, is the far left wing of the Democrat party. The AOCs and the crazies who make us all choke on political correctness, welfare state, 89 different gender types etc, etc. I am all for being against that kind of stuff just as I’m sure (or at least assume) you are against the extreme far right with the Nazi’s and KKK.

    When you post on here you like to complain about how liberals twist words, change the subject, make things up, mischaracterize the other side, attack people, and then you do the exact same thing. You like to paraphrase what people say and change the meaning while at the same time nitpicking other people that paraphrased you on a technicality that made no difference in the meaning. You are so obsessed with talking about liberals that I wonder if deep down you are a deeply repressed closet liberal?

    Actually I’m pretty sure what your deal is, is that you just enjoy being argumentative for the sake of it. Hey if that’s what gives you your Jollies more power to you! Not a lot to do right now anyway so maybe you have the right idea.
    Look, if we want to be honest here, you could care less what I consider a “liberal”. You made your post to attack my character. What’s your motive? Who knows? Why did you say I think I’m smarter than Einstein and bring up my advice to my niece to stay away from trying to find a mathematical formula to unify the fields? This has nothing to do with any point you were trying to make. It was just to attack me.

    And if you think my advice is wrong, spend some time studying Einstein’s last years. Just go on Wikipedia and look Einstein up and then go down to “Unified field theory”. Here are two sentences: “Although he continued to be lauded for his work, Einstein became increasingly isolated in his research, and his efforts were ultimately unsuccessful. In his pursuit of a unification of the fundamental forces, Einstein ignored some mainstream developments in physics, most notably the strong and weak nuclear forces...”

    Bottom line is Einstein was a genius, but he also made a lot of mistakes, especially in his later years. Doesn’t it make sense that we should learn from them and not follow the same path? There are many physicist that would give my niece the same advice I gave her. Don’t waste your time trying to find a mathematical formula to unify the fields.

    And from a creationist perspective, I understand it might not even be possible. The belief that these fields can be unified comes from a belief (or you could call it faith) in the Big Bang. If the Big Bang didn’t happen (and I don’t believe it did), there is no reason to waist time trying to unify these fields.

    If you want to make fun of me for being a creationist and believing in science and God that’s your call. I deal with it all the time when I give lectures on college campuses on creation. So I understand where your kind comes from. You mock people who think differently than you. You have no evidence for what you believe, but you still believe it.

    As far as your description of the far right and far left, for the most part, I agree with you. I have actually said on this forum that voting for George Bush Senior was not that different than voting for a liberal Democrat. Today both parties would be considered very liberal compared to how they would’ve been back in the 1930s.

    Also I’ve said, we’re slowly sliding to the left ever since FDR and will continue to slide that direction until we get to a more socialist state. There’s nothing much people can do, so we’ve got to deal with it.

    So you asked me how I could tell you were a liberal? Easy, you attacked my character, and you made that rant about liberals raping kittens. This is usually a hallmark of what liberals do. So there you got your answer. Like you said there’s not much to do with the lockdown. I didn’t spend much time on forums until this lockdown. I will give you credit, you don’t get into name calling, which is impressive.

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    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Einstein thought that spooky action at a distance (entangled particles) was impossible and Bohr thought that this wasn't the case (1920s). Ironically, it was through Einstein's quantum mechanical formulations that the concept of entanglement first manifested itself (it was only later that Einstein came up with hidden variables/locality to explain spooky action at a distance/non-locality; he was in Bohr's camp originally). Years later (1964), John Bell proved that entanglement was possible/happening through his famous thought experiment (Bell's Inequality) and this was later confirmed experimentally many times over, so Bohr was right.

    Apart from this, Einstein's contributions hold up extremely well, and, ironically, as stated above, he was the one that came up with non-locality in the first place, and it was only later that he changed his mind about it (who wouldn't change their mind, it's the most fucking bizarre thing imaginable - like magic really;kudos to Bohr and Bell for sticking to their guns).

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    Fucking stupid novices.

    You have to change your mind at least a million times to really begin to get somewhere.

    Hehehe. Or is it, heyheyhey? Ha.

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    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    You never answered my question directly how could you tell I’m a liberal from a 2 sentence post?

    Look I get it, To you liberal is an insult and you just like throwing it around every chance you get with no real idea of whether the person is actually a liberal or not and probably not even understanding what its supposed to be since as you said its very broad, just as the Republican party has its moderate wing, conservative wing, and far right.

    If the Democratic party were outlawed tomorrow and every Democrat was killed, then the liberals in the country would be the moderate wing of the Republican party. In other words, the word liberal as you frequently use it here is meaningless which is my whole point. If you take the most conservative Democrats and compare them to the most moderate Republicans, they are going to be very similar.

    All we do is get bombarded by the news all day with these labels for each side and no real ideas or information being exchanged, just name calling back and forth and it gets old after awhile in the news and on here. If you really have valuable, meaningful ideas, put them out there!

    For the record, I think that what you and others really mean when you say Liberal, is the far left wing of the Democrat party. The AOCs and the crazies who make us all choke on political correctness, welfare state, 89 different gender types etc, etc. I am all for being against that kind of stuff just as I’m sure (or at least assume) you are against the extreme far right with the Nazi’s and KKK.

    When you post on here you like to complain about how liberals twist words, change the subject, make things up, mischaracterize the other side, attack people, and then you do the exact same thing. You like to paraphrase what people say and change the meaning while at the same time nitpicking other people that paraphrased you on a technicality that made no difference in the meaning. You are so obsessed with talking about liberals that I wonder if deep down you are a deeply repressed closet liberal?

    Actually I’m pretty sure what your deal is, is that you just enjoy being argumentative for the sake of it. Hey if that’s what gives you your Jollies more power to you! Not a lot to do right now anyway so maybe you have the right idea.
    Look, if we want to be honest here, you could care less what I consider a “liberal”. You made your post to attack my character. What’s your motive? Who knows? Why did you say I think I’m smarter than Einstein and bring up my advice to my niece to stay away from trying to find a mathematical formula to unify the fields? This has nothing to do with any point you were trying to make. It was just to attack me.

    And if you think my advice is wrong, spend some time studying Einstein’s last years. Just go on Wikipedia and look Einstein up and then go down to “Unified field theory”. Here are two sentences: “Although he continued to be lauded for his work, Einstein became increasingly isolated in his research, and his efforts were ultimately unsuccessful. In his pursuit of a unification of the fundamental forces, Einstein ignored some mainstream developments in physics, most notably the strong and weak nuclear forces...”

    Bottom line is Einstein was a genius, but he also made a lot of mistakes, especially in his later years. Doesn’t it make sense that we should learn from them and not follow the same path? There are many physicist that would give my niece the same advice I gave her. Don’t waste your time trying to find a mathematical formula to unify the fields.

    And from a creationist perspective, I understand it might not even be possible. The belief that these fields can be unified comes from a belief (or you could call it faith) in the Big Bang. If the Big Bang didn’t happen (and I don’t believe it did), there is no reason to waist time trying to unify these fields.

    If you want to make fun of me for being a creationist and believing in science and God that’s your call. I deal with it all the time when I give lectures on college campuses on creation. So I understand where your kind comes from. You mock people who think differently than you. You have no evidence for what you believe, but you still believe it.

    As far as your description of the far right and far left, for the most part, I agree with you. I have actually said on this forum that voting for George Bush Senior was not that different than voting for a liberal Democrat. Today both parties would be considered very liberal compared to how they would’ve been back in the 1930s.

    Also I’ve said, we’re slowly sliding to the left ever since FDR and will continue to slide that direction until we get to a more socialist state. There’s nothing much people can do, so we’ve got to deal with it.

    So you asked me how I could tell you were a liberal? Easy, you attacked my character, and you made that rant about liberals raping kittens. This is usually a hallmark of what liberals do. So there you got your answer. Like you said there’s not much to do with the lockdown. I didn’t spend much time on forums until this lockdown. I will give you credit, you don’t get into name calling, which is impressive.
    So first of all, I don’t have any problem with you, I know that peoples internet personas are not the same as the person in real life. If I ever run into you into a casino, I’ll buy you a beer.

    As far as attacking your character, I just interacted with you the same way you interact with everyone else.

    I honestly wanted to know what your definition of a liberal is and now it’s because I attacked your character. Would it be impossible to attack your character if I was conservative?

    Thats really my whole point, liberal should refer to what your actual political positions are. If you noticed in all the posts I primarily pointed out the conservative positions I agree with and liberal positions I disagreed with,

    So if you generally agree with conversation positions and generally disagree with liberal positions, how does that make you a liberal? I don’t like labeling people and demonizing people when you have no idea what their positions actually are.

    We probably actually agree on a lot more things than you would imagine. I agree that Einstein wasted time looking for the unified theory because he just couldn’t believe the randomness in quantum mechanics. I also agree with your thought that string is nonsense because you have to add all the extra dimensions for it to work.

    Thats my point though, if you knew that about me first you might say something like wow, you sure know more than those dumb liberals, even though it has nothing to do with politics.

    I am equal opportunity, I don’t like listening to people bash liberals all day without providing substance or even knowing if the person is actually a liberal, the same way I don’t like people that bash Trump and the Republicans all day without looking at the positive things.

    I do on the another hand like hearing substance, I.E. I dont like liberals because they support X policies which lead to Y.

    I like Trump because he promised to do X which I support and he did X.

    I know its a lot to ask to because this is the internet after all, but I just think you can actually learn from those types of discussions. When I was young I considered myself very liberal, after years of listening to talk radio, Fox news, and having substantive discussions with conservative & liberal friends I moved much more to the right and consider myself moderate now and can see where my thinking was flawed on certain issues in the past. This is why I like discussing V. insulting.

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    Fucking stupid novices.

    You have to change your mind at least a million times to really begin to get somewhere.

    Hehehe. Or is it, heyheyhey? Ha.
    Yes, what a novice Einstein was since he only changed his mind once on the concept of entanglement. I guess he just wasn't thinking deeply enough about it. You must find it odd then that most people think that Einstein made some of the greatest contributions to physics (and science) in the history of mankind.

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