Alan Mendelson Going For The Jugular

[kewlJ]

Axel misrepresented my position on the DUB on WoV. My position has always been it is highly likely rob put down the play. Axel says I’m “convinced” rob put down the play. Way to strong a word. I’m not entirely convinced of anything. Only Rob knows 100% whether he did or not.

I see little difference in the wording "you are convinced Rob put down the play" with "you believe it is highly likely Rob put down the play', especially when you are attacking other peoples credibility and especially other AP's credibility concerning mathematically sound advantage play in the manner that you are, simply to now enable Rob Singer and his claims.

I encourage people to read Axel's post especially the post at the top of page 6 of the Singer discussion at WoV, where he shares his feelings about both Singer's 'system' and Singer's DU claim and why he tried to act objective initially with the latter. The two claims are connected because they always come back to Singer's credibility. Kudos to Axelwolf. The following couple of follow up exchanges with Alan are notable as well. I mean Alan doesn't get a pass for his current position of "wanting to set the truth straight" after years of playing the role of Singer prime enabler on this forum, providing whatever platform Alan has to promote Singer on both his website and through his videos. Kudos for Alan now coming clean but that doesn't give him a free pass and I like that Axelwolf is still holding him accountable.

Unfortunately here, others have just stepped forward to fill the void Alan left of enabler. This guy Singer can't do what he has done for 20 years without someone playing the role of side kick.

One thing Redietz is correct about is that any sense of normalcy on this forum is long gone. This has become a conspiracy theory forum for any discussion, from politics, to Covid-19 coronavirus, to Rob's claim to what little gambling discussion there is. People have formed alliances and cliques based in large part on their political views and those alliances now carry forward to every discussion. This is precisely was I objected to airing political views here. This isn't a political forum. We shouldn't even know political views of different members. Once you head down that road, you end up with what you have here and that is anything but a forum about talk of Vegas, Casinos and gambling. Dan has proven anything for a few more views and little bit more traffic.

[Keystone]

Originally Posted by redietz

"I mean, really, BoSox, why would you come to the conclusion that kewlJ was discussing blackjack with me?"

Dietz, nothing personal, but it was the process of elimination as KJ only has two friends and I had a 50% shot. Actually, I know how you like to join up on different boards, even blackjack boards and ask perfect strangers to go meet you for a coffee. However I do understand as the times are tough and you need to solicit business any way that you can.

BoTox, you really are like Steven Segal now....very impressive, and scary too I might add..lolololololololololol

[AxelWolf]

Axel misrepresented my position on the DUB on WoV. My position has always been it is highly likely rob put down the play. Axel says I’m “convinced” rob put down the play. Way to strong a word. I’m not entirely convinced of anything. Only Rob knows 100% whether he did or not.

I'm sorry if it seemed like I overstated your position. I was under the impression you thought Rob played the double up bug. Would you like me to add a correction to what I said? If there's anything specific you would like me to say over at wizard of Vegas on your behalf, let me know, I'll gladly post it over there, if I get a suspension, I really don't care.

[AxelWolf]

Axel misrepresented my position on the DUB on WoV. My position has always been it is highly likely rob put down the play. Axel says I’m “convinced” rob put down the play. Way to strong a word. I’m not entirely convinced of anything. Only Rob knows 100% whether he did or not.

I see little difference in the wording "you are convinced Rob put down the play" with "you believe it is highly likely Rob put down the play', especially when you are attacking other peoples credibility and especially other AP's credibility concerning mathematically sound advantage play in the manner that you are, simply to now enable Rob Singer and his claims.

I encourage people to read Axel's post especially the post at the top of page 6 of the Singer discussion at WoV, where he shares his feelings about both Singer's 'system' and Singer's DU claim and why he tried to act objective initially with the latter. The two claims are connected because they always come back to Singer's credibility. Kudos to Axelwolf. The following couple of follow up exchanges with Alan are notable as well. I mean Alan doesn't get a pass for his current position of "wanting to set the truth straight" after years of playing the role of Singer prime enabler on this forum, providing whatever platform Alan has to promote Singer on both his website and through his videos. Kudos for Alan now coming clean but that doesn't give him a free pass and I like that Axelwolf is still holding him accountable.

Unfortunately here, others have just stepped forward to fill the void Alan left of enabler. This guy Singer can't do what he has done for 20 years without someone playing the role of side kick.

One thing Redietz is correct about is that any sense of normalcy on this forum is long gone. This has become a conspiracy theory forum for any discussion, from politics, to Covid-19 coronavirus, to Rob's claim to what little gambling discussion there is. People have formed alliances and cliques based in large part on their political views and those alliances now carry forward to every discussion. This is precisely was I objected to airing political views here. This isn't a political forum. We shouldn't even know political views of different members. Once you head down that road, you end up with what you have here and that is anything but a forum about talk of Vegas, Casinos and gambling. Dan has proven anything for a few more views and little bit more traffic.

Unfortunately, Alan thinks I'm attacking him, I can see how it might seem that way but that's certainly not my intentions. I really just want to know what's going on in the mind of people who believe/consider nonsense strategies and systems. It's just mind-boggling that anyone can believe or consider this type of stuff as a being legitimate. Because, it's just so mind-boggling, I would have to believe there was some type of motivation. I'm not just talking Financial motivation sincere a lot of things that motivate people. Because she said something about wanting to chase a good story. It just seems like there are so many other good stories to chase that actually have Merit and proof.

That's all I was trying to understand. I guess I was hoping Alan would have a come-to-Jesus moment and tell us that he has finally come to the realization that only one way to beat casinos, and that's if the math adds up and you play the correct strategy.... Perhaps all the Advantage Players and math guys actually had it right all along.

[kewlJ]

Axel misrepresented my position on the DUB on WoV. My position has always been it is highly likely rob put down the play. Axel says I’m “convinced” rob put down the play. Way to strong a word. I’m not entirely convinced of anything. Only Rob knows 100% whether he did or not.

I see little difference in the wording "you are convinced Rob put down the play" with "you believe it is highly likely Rob put down the play', especially when you are attacking other peoples credibility and especially other AP's credibility concerning mathematically sound advantage play in the manner that you are, simply to now enable Rob Singer and his claims.

I encourage people to read Axel's post especially the post at the top of page 6 of the Singer discussion at WoV, where he shares his feelings about both Singer's 'system' and Singer's DU claim and why he tried to act objective initially with the latter. The two claims are connected because they always come back to Singer's credibility. Kudos to Axelwolf. The following couple of follow up exchanges with Alan are notable as well. I mean Alan doesn't get a pass for his current position of "wanting to set the truth straight" after years of playing the role of Singer prime enabler on this forum, providing whatever platform Alan has to promote Singer on both his website and through his videos. Kudos for Alan now coming clean but that doesn't give him a free pass and I like that Axelwolf is still holding him accountable.

Unfortunately here, others have just stepped forward to fill the void Alan left of enabler. This guy Singer can't do what he has done for 20 years without someone playing the role of side kick.

One thing Redietz is correct about is that any sense of normalcy on this forum is long gone. This has become a conspiracy theory forum for any discussion, from politics, to Covid-19 coronavirus, to Rob's claim to what little gambling discussion there is. People have formed alliances and cliques based in large part on their political views and those alliances now carry forward to every discussion. This is precisely was I objected to airing political views here. This isn't a political forum. We shouldn't even know political views of different members. Once you head down that road, you end up with what you have here and that is anything but a forum about talk of Vegas, Casinos and gambling. Dan has proven anything for a few more views and little bit more traffic.

Unfortunately, Alan thinks I'm attacking him, I can see how it might seem that way but that's certainly not my intentions. I really just want to know what's going on in the mind of people who believe/consider nonsense strategies and systems. It's just mind-boggling that anyone can believe or consider this type of stuff as a being legitimate. Because, it's just so mind-boggling, I would have to believe there was some type of motivation. I'm not just talking Financial motivation sincere a lot of things that motivate people. Because she said something about wanting to chase a good story. It just seems like there are so many other good stories to chase that actually have Merit and proof.

That's all I was trying to understand. I guess I was hoping Alan would have a come-to-Jesus moment and tell us that he has finally come to the realization that only one way to beat casinos, and that's if the math adds up and you play the correct strategy.... Perhaps all the Advantage Players and math guys actually had it right all along.

Ya know I thought maybe Alan was coming to that as well. I am not going to look back at what post it was over there (WoV) but there was one post that started out like I thought he was going in that direction and then the second half went right back to voodoo beliefs.

I would really like it if Alan were to embrace a bit of advantage play / winning type strategy based on math. I mean if he enjoys casino play, why not win a little or at least break even and give yourself a chance to win (longterm)?

You know my late partner was a -EV casino player when I met him. -EV video poker just like Alan and Rob, and even some slots That was back in Pa. It wasn't until he followed me to Vegas and wanted to be part of what I was doing that I got him to give some of that up and move towards advantage play. And I am not sure he ever fully embraced only advantage play. He gave up slots completely and he handled our VP machine play when I was doing that and did pretty good. But I think occasionally he slipped in a little extra -EV play, when doing play though or playing a certain amount to generate mailers. Some times the numbers were a little lower than I was expecting. So I can't say he flipped to 100% AP, but he did pretty good making a transformation from -EV player to +EV player. So it can be done. I just don't get why anyone that spends like in casinos, wouldn't give themselves the best chance to win (longterm)? But that's me.

[AxelWolf]

I see little difference in the wording "you are convinced Rob put down the play" with "you believe it is highly likely Rob put down the play', especially when you are attacking other peoples credibility and especially other AP's credibility concerning mathematically sound advantage play in the manner that you are, simply to now enable Rob Singer and his claims.

I encourage people to read Axel's post especially the post at the top of page 6 of the Singer discussion at WoV, where he shares his feelings about both Singer's 'system' and Singer's DU claim and why he tried to act objective initially with the latter. The two claims are connected because they always come back to Singer's credibility. Kudos to Axelwolf. The following couple of follow up exchanges with Alan are notable as well. I mean Alan doesn't get a pass for his current position of "wanting to set the truth straight" after years of playing the role of Singer prime enabler on this forum, providing whatever platform Alan has to promote Singer on both his website and through his videos. Kudos for Alan now coming clean but that doesn't give him a free pass and I like that Axelwolf is still holding him accountable.

Unfortunately here, others have just stepped forward to fill the void Alan left of enabler. This guy Singer can't do what he has done for 20 years without someone playing the role of side kick.

One thing Redietz is correct about is that any sense of normalcy on this forum is long gone. This has become a conspiracy theory forum for any discussion, from politics, to Covid-19 coronavirus, to Rob's claim to what little gambling discussion there is. People have formed alliances and cliques based in large part on their political views and those alliances now carry forward to every discussion. This is precisely was I objected to airing political views here. This isn't a political forum. We shouldn't even know political views of different members. Once you head down that road, you end up with what you have here and that is anything but a forum about talk of Vegas, Casinos and gambling. Dan has proven anything for a few more views and little bit more traffic.

Unfortunately, Alan thinks I'm attacking him, I can see how it might seem that way but that's certainly not my intentions. I really just want to know what's going on in the mind of people who believe/consider nonsense strategies and systems. It's just mind-boggling that anyone can believe or consider this type of stuff as a being legitimate. Because, it's just so mind-boggling, I would have to believe there was some type of motivation. I'm not just talking Financial motivation sincere a lot of things that motivate people. Because she said something about wanting to chase a good story. It just seems like there are so many other good stories to chase that actually have Merit and proof.

That's all I was trying to understand. I guess I was hoping Alan would have a come-to-Jesus moment and tell us that he has finally come to the realization that only one way to beat casinos, and that's if the math adds up and you play the correct strategy.... Perhaps all the Advantage Players and math guys actually had it right all along.

Ya know I thought maybe Alan was coming to that as well. I am not going to look back at what post it was over there (WoV) but there was one post that started out like I thought he was going in that direction and then the second half went right back to voodoo beliefs.

I would really like it if Alan were to embrace a bit of advantage play / winning type strategy based on math. I mean if he enjoys casino play, why not win a little or at least break even and give yourself a chance to win (longterm)?

You know my late partner was a -EV casino player when I met him. -EV video poker just like Alan and Rob, and even some slots That was back in Pa. It wasn't until he followed me to Vegas and wanted to be part of what I was doing that I got him to give some of that up and move towards advantage play. And I am not sure he ever fully embraced only advantage play. He gave up slots completely and he handled our VP machine play when I was doing that and did pretty good. But I think occasionally he slipped in a little extra -EV play, when doing play though or playing a certain amount to generate mailers. Some times the numbers were a little lower than I was expecting. So I can't say he flipped to 100% AP, but he did pretty good making a transformation from -EV player to +EV player. So it can be done. I just don't get why anyone that spends like in casinos, wouldn't give themselves the best chance to win (longterm)? But that's me.

hell, I don't even know why I care if people play systems and believe in stupid s***. I mean overall it's beneficial to me cuz it helps keep the casinos in business, and there's less competition. I Guess a part of me believes it's such a long shot that it will affect anyone in the advantage play community. However, now that I'm thinking about it.... Alan might be the last one we want to convince if that's something that he would want to publish on his website. I was under the impression that his son actually understood Advantage Play to a certain level? I certainly got that impression when he talked about the Lost rebates and FreePlay.

[kewlJ]

hell, I don't even know why I care if people play systems and believe in stupid s***. I mean overall it's beneficial to me cuz it helps keep the casinos in business, and there's less competition.

I get that, but because we have been on forums with someone like Alan for so long, doesn't it almost seem like he is an "uncle" that we should help out if possible. At least steer in the right direction.

Back in the day, a lot of people really helped me on the blackjack forums. I guess I have never forgot that. The forums are a different world entirely today though.

[AxelWolf]

Back in the day, a lot of people really helped me on the blackjack forums. .

FUCKING FORUMS.

[Rob.Singer]

Axel misrepresented my position on the DUB on WoV. My position has always been it is highly likely rob put down the play. Axel says I’m “convinced” rob put down the play. Way to strong a word. I’m not entirely convinced of anything. Only Rob knows 100% whether he did or not.

I see little difference in the wording "you are convinced Rob put down the play" with "you believe it is highly likely Rob put down the play', especially when you are attacking other peoples credibility and especially other AP's credibility concerning mathematically sound advantage play in the manner that you are, simply to now enable Rob Singer and his claims.

I encourage people to read Axel's post especially the post at the top of page 6 of the Singer discussion at WoV, where he shares his feelings about both Singer's 'system' and Singer's DU claim and why he tried to act objective initially with the latter. The two claims are connected because they always come back to Singer's credibility. Kudos to Axelwolf. The following couple of follow up exchanges with Alan are notable as well. I mean Alan doesn't get a pass for his current position of "wanting to set the truth straight" after years of playing the role of Singer prime enabler on this forum, providing whatever platform Alan has to promote Singer on both his website and through his videos. Kudos for Alan now coming clean but that doesn't give him a free pass and I like that Axelwolf is still holding him accountable.

Unfortunately here, others have just stepped forward to fill the void Alan left of enabler. This guy Singer can't do what he has done for 20 years without someone playing the role of side kick.

One thing Redietz is correct about is that any sense of normalcy on this forum is long gone. This has become a conspiracy theory forum for any discussion, from politics, to Covid-19 coronavirus, to Rob's claim to what little gambling discussion there is. People have formed alliances and cliques based in large part on their political views and those alliances now carry forward to every discussion. This is precisely was I objected to airing political views here. This isn't a political forum. We shouldn't even know political views of different members. Once you head down that road, you end up with what you have here and that is anything but a forum about talk of Vegas, Casinos and gambling. Dan has proven anything for a few more views and little bit more traffic.

Unfortunately, Alan thinks I'm attacking him, I can see how it might seem that way but that's certainly not my intentions. I really just want to know what's going on in the mind of people who believe/consider nonsense strategies and systems. It's just mind-boggling that anyone can believe or consider this type of stuff as a being legitimate. Because, it's just so mind-boggling, I would have to believe there was some type of motivation. I'm not just talking Financial motivation sincere a lot of things that motivate people. Because she said something about wanting to chase a good story. It just seems like there are so many other good stories to chase that actually have Merit and proof.

That's all I was trying to understand. I guess I was hoping Alan would have a come-to-Jesus moment and tell us that he has finally come to the realization that only one way to beat casinos, and that's if the math adds up and you play the correct strategy.... Perhaps all the Advantage Players and math guys actually had it right all along.

axel you should know by now that it's futile to expect anything of Alan other than a long argument. Look at how he operates here as a sock vs. at WoV as the prime attention seeker. He started that thread over there by posting a few lies along with some provocative information, and he did so right after he saw me joining in with the crowd and criticizing him here. So he uses the theme that he is a bad reporter because he should've asked for some kind of proof from me, when it was always him who was chasing me around to put things about RS on his site. He also would have never started that thread if he wasn't angry with me. It will get him nowhere. He truly is his own worst enemy.

I don't really care about this stuff much any longer and I'm not that interested in being interviewed by anybody. Nothing will change history either way. People have their views, every argument's been made, kew's had his drama, and I've clearly seen how well my tactics of deflecting away and re-directing over-zealous but envious sleuths has worked. But Mike asked me and I accepted. Our waiting a few weeks to go on our trip is no big deal. In my opinion it would be better if you were there to comment and ask questions, and as requested, I will see if Mike's interested in doing it again in the fall.

The subject of "proof": everybody always stays away from it unless it is they who are asked for it. And has anybody in gaming ever supplied hard (not theoretical, which means nothing) proof of their claims, anywhere? Right here people are mocking kew for always having said one thing, then claiming he's exempt. The point is, there is no documentation that will ever suffice. Critics will simply keep unpeeling the onion until they can claim "see, I told you so!" Tax forms really mean squat. How many gamblers file a spot-on accurate return that doesn't mitigate winning with createful losses anyway? Are you telling me gamblers LIKE getting taxed on winnings in this country? And I understand the concept of showing big ticket item receipts, but those requests only eminate from little gamblers who have zero concept of how normal career type people have other methods of funding such purchases also. No amount of disclosure or fist-pounding will ever prove a thing to satisfy a hateful, JEALOUS critic.

Finally, I understand the fascination with my play strategy being able to win, but if you are SO sure it didn't, then that opinion tells me you really do not believe in the math of gambling probability. Sure, if 100,1% games were played then over time we'd see a small profit on paper, and at 99.9% we'd see a small loss. But transfer that effort to real casino play and on the +EV games you MORE THAN LIKELY will see a win, and on the -EV games you MORE THAN LIKELY will see a loss. We should agree on that.

However, what is missing here is the rest of the equation. Is there a possibility that over time, the +EV games will produce a loss or the -EV games will produce a win? The math I studied in college says yes to both.

So I developed a strategy that gives the unlikely a better chance of occuring, and that's all it is. I didn't rewrite books or defy theory. When I started out I wasn't sure what would happen and I was prepared for that. But the 200 sessions I played were a nice sort of surprise. An 85% session win rate? Where else do you find that in vp? But I could only guarantee to students and others that playing my strategy or variants thereof depending on a player's comfort level, would give them a better opportunity of winning.

So stating that my strategy is crazy or voodoo etc. is completely shortsighted. The math says negative games SHOULD lose, not WILL lose. My play strategy simply tells me it will lose less frequently. On paper, math is absolute. In casino gaming, it is not.

[BoSox]

hell, I don't even know why I care if people play systems and believe in stupid s***. I mean overall it's beneficial to me cuz it helps keep the casinos in business, and there's less competition.

I get that, but because we have been on forums with someone like Alan for so long, doesn't it almost seem like he is an "uncle" that we should help out if possible. At least steer in the right direction.

I do not understand your need to help other people when luckily for you the only one thing that you have going for you presently is some survival skills. I suppose that some part of sick society "Vegas Casino Talk" would probably like seeing you and Keystone pair up, and appear together on the Naked and Affraid show uncensored, but not me.

Originally Posted by kewlJ

Back in the day, a lot of people really helped me on the blackjack forums. I guess I have never forgotten that. The forums are a different world entirely today though.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, huge mistakes were made even early back when by people helping you out "who is now a menace to society". Obviously, this is real good lesson as a reminder for everyone to leave people alone, and let them sink or swim for themselves.

[mickeycrimm]

Axel misrepresented my position on the DUB on WoV. My position has always been it is highly likely rob put down the play. Axel says I’m “convinced” rob put down the play. Way to strong a word. I’m not entirely convinced of anything. Only Rob knows 100% whether he did or not.

I'm sorry if it seemed like I overstated your position. I was under the impression you thought Rob played the double up bug. Would you like me to add a correction to what I said? If there's anything specific you would like me to say over at wizard of Vegas on your behalf, let me know, I'll gladly post it over there, if I get a suspension, I really don't care.

Yes, please change my position on WoV from "convinced" to "highly likely." And if you want to you can add my opinion is based on at least a few facts:

1. Rob's overall knowledge of the play, something that no one else on the internet has come close to matching.

2. The fact he knew the published sequence of events to get the machine to double up was wrong, and he published what he called the correct sequence of events. And after that fact KJ confirmed with the author of the Kane & Nestor story that the sequence was intentionally altered. No one has credibly disputed Rob's published sequence.

3. That Rob publicly "retired" from professional video poker play in 2009 a few months after Kane & Nestor got busted. Rob didn't quit playing video poker. What he did was quit filing schedule C on his income tax. He still played some over the years but basically made himself scarce in the casinos which is exactly what I would have done if I were waiting out the statute of limitations. Also, Rob never brought up the fact that he retired in 2009. It's because I've been following him so long that I remembered that about him and brought it up here. I'm the one that put it out there that Rob retired shortly after Kane & Nestor got busted. I thought, and still do, that it was more than coincidence.

4. Rob put this story out there knowing full well that if anyone else taught him the play then his story could easily be publicly shot down. I would not lie about something like this if I was fearful that someone could come forward and easily shoot my story down. It would be a tremendously stupid move and very embarrassing if caught. I think it has been over a year now and no one has come forward. I even put out a reward of $1000 for any good information anyone could provide that someone else knew the play before Rob.

I think it is highly likely Rob put the play down. But I am not 100% convinced . Only Rob knows 100% whether he did or not.

[mickeycrimm]

Axel misrepresented my position on the DUB on WoV. My position has always been it is highly likely rob put down the play. Axel says I’m “convinced” rob put down the play. Way to strong a word. I’m not entirely convinced of anything. Only Rob knows 100% whether he did or not.

I see little difference in the wording "you are convinced Rob put down the play" with "you believe it is highly likely Rob put down the play', especially when you are attacking other peoples credibility and especially other AP's credibility.

Of course you don't see the difference. It would go against your narrative to see the difference.

Now, as far as attacking someone else's credibility goes it was you and redietz that immediately attacked my credibility when you read my position on the DUB. At that time all three of us were anti-Singer. But I looked at the evidence at hand with neither a pro-singer nor anti-singer attitude. I was completely neutral in that respect. You and redeitz looked at it with an anti-Singer attitude. I took the high road while you two took the low road.

When you two read my opinion you both immediately attacked me. You said I was "duped." You said I was "played." You said my "credibility is lost forever." Well, hey, fuck you. My position has balls while you two are just a couple of little cunts. It was a big eye-opener to me just how petty you two could be.

There is a word in the English language. Magnanimity. Neither of you two have it. You both based your opinions on the DUB in your hatred of Rob Singer. When I gave my unbiased opinion you two attacked me. That's how far you both took your hatred of Singer. In your hatred of Singer you threw me under the bus. So fuck you.

[monet]

In your hatred of Singer you threw me under the bus. So fuck you.

[Keystone]

I do not understand your need to help other people when luckily for you the only one thing that you have going for you presently is some survival skills. I suppose that some part of sick society "Vegas Casino Talk" would probably like seeing you and Keystone pair up, and appear together on the Naked and Affraid show uncensored, but not me.

Originally Posted by kewlJ

Back in the day, a lot of people really helped me on the blackjack forums. I guess I have never forgotten that. The forums are a different world entirely today though.

Exactly, huge mistakes were made even early back when by people helping you out "who is now a menace to society". Obviously, this is real good lesson as a reminder for everyone to leave people alone, and let them sink or swim for themselves.[/QUOTE]

Hahaha...excellent BoTox, I like it...isn’t it almost time for your Monday morning dick slapping from Moses?

[Rob.Singer]

Axel misrepresented my position on the DUB on WoV. My position has always been it is highly likely rob put down the play. Axel says I’m “convinced” rob put down the play. Way to strong a word. I’m not entirely convinced of anything. Only Rob knows 100% whether he did or not.

I see little difference in the wording "you are convinced Rob put down the play" with "you believe it is highly likely Rob put down the play', especially when you are attacking other peoples credibility and especially other AP's credibility.

Of course you don't see the difference. It would go against your narrative to see the difference.

Now, as far as attacking someone else's credibility goes it was you and redietz that immediately attacked my credibility when you read my position on the DUB. At that time all three of us were anti-Singer. But I looked at the evidence at hand with neither a pro-singer nor anti-singer attitude. I was completely neutral in that respect. You and redeitz looked at it with an anti-Singer attitude. I took the high road while you two took the low road.

When you two read my opinion you both immediately attacked me. You said I was "duped." You said I was "played." You said my "credibility is lost forever." Well, hey, fuck you. My position has balls while you two are just a couple of little cunts. It was a big eye-opener to me just how petty you two could be.

There is a word in the English language. Magnanimity. Neither of you two have it. You both based your opinions on the DUB in your hatred of Rob Singer. When I gave my unbiased opinion you two attacked me. That's how far you both took your hatred of Singer. In your hatred of Singer you threw me under the bus. So fuck you.

This anti-Singer attitude is also why redietz is being looked at as a weirdo at WoV for his posts over there. And it has turned into an absolute obsession of "turn people who can think for themselves into non-believers at any cost" likely to compensate for their feelings of inadequacy over this.

Kew, if there's one person who speaks their mind on these forums, it's mickey. He's never said he knows I made the play because he's right--only I "know" that, and it's exactly the way I've always wanted it. Imagine if it were a big mouth drama queen like you who discovered and played it. Would've lasted 3 days.

Oh BTW, how about. you provide a link to that Cigar magazine story you claim came out "just before" I told axel? I'd love to see it....somebody writing about it in early 2019. What happened, someone there catch a buzz and it suddenly came into their mind? So lets have it!

Wise up.

[monet]

Not sure why Redietz posts his blog over here when he is against this Forum and it's Alt Right Attitude which is allowed by its leader Dan Druff?

[Rob.Singer]

Here's another inquiry for the all-knowing kew that'll likely not be answered or spun into Lake Mead.

How was I able to not only know the Wired article had the wrong sequence, but I also posted the CORRECT sequence at the same time? And I think it was axel who then checked with someone he knows in the business to confirm everything I said? Not sure if that's correct, but it was somebody.

Where was this info ever published in its entirety? How do you, Mr. Swami, account for this?

PS-- Don't forget to post a link to that Cigar mag. article dated early 2019 please.

[Bob21]

Not sure why Redietz posts his blog over here when he is against this Forum and it's Alt Right Attitude which is allowed by its leader Dan Druff?

You forgot to mention redietz also doesn’t like this alt right group since it’s “anti-scienctific”.

Having studied liberals over many years in their natural habitat I’ve come to understand “Anti-scienctific” is their code word for someone who believes in God. If you think about it, many of their code words are actually compliments.

[kewlJ]

Here's another inquiry for the all-knowing kew that'll likely not be answered or spun into Lake Mead.

How was I able to not only know the Wired article had the wrong sequence, but I also posted the CORRECT sequence at the same time? And I think it was axel who then checked with someone he knows in the business to confirm everything I said? Not sure if that's correct, but it was somebody.

Where was this info ever published in its entirety? How do you, Mr. Swami, account for this?

You appear to be intentionally fucking with the timeline to create doubt. The first Wired article came out in 2011. The same article with updates about the court proceeding was out again in 2013 or 2014. Did you contact Axelwolf in 2011? 2013? 2014? No you contacted him much later, 5 years later maybe? So there is a 5-8 year gap that you at some point discovered or found the correct sequence and tried to used that as credibility. I don't know exactly how. You have owned and had access to these machines at various times in your life. If you had access to a machine it wouldn't take long to figure out the sequence for someone trying to figure out the sequence. It's not like stumbling onto something that you weren't looking for. If you knew there was a sequence, it wouldn't take long.

If you didn't own or have access to a machine in that 5 to 8 year gap, maybe you were able to locate a machine or two in a casino that hadn't had the fix and figured out the sequence that way. You have talked about visiting some smaller out of the way type casinos before. These are just the kind of place one might find a machine that hadn't been fixed or updated.

These are just two of the possibility of finding the correct sequence or information not generally publicly known after the fact. There are other possibilities. No one is disputing that you are a long-term gambler. Long-term (losing) gamblers have friends and acquaintances that are other longterm gamblers just as AP's have friends and acquaintances that are other AP's. So maybe you have a friend or acquaintance that knew something or even a friend or acquaintance that knew someone that knew something or even knew one of these guys.

You also tell us of this career you had in and out of government. Maybe you just happened to know someone linked to the case or investigation. Or had a family member or friend that did.

I am speculating, raising possibilities, but there are just numerous ways you could have come into the information after the fact. The fact that you knew of some information or the correct sequence 10 years after this play was busted just does not mean you knew about it back in 2009 and played this play for 5 years and 2.8 million dollars.

But we have been over all this. The one thing you are correct about is we are not going to get to the bottom of this because you (Rob) don't want to get to the bottom of this. I see you are pulling out of the interview with Mike now. THAT was to be expected. Anyway, I have had some fun rehashing this again and filling some down time, but absolutely nothing has or is going to change. Rob has a fantastical claim, of monumental proportions and absolutely nothing to support it. We are just supposed to take his (of all people) word for it. Well I don't believe it without some kind of supporting evidence or documentation. Everyone else can decide for themselves and from the looks of that recent poll....they have.

So again, good luck Rob with your continuing 20 year long troll of the gambling /AP community. I hope it brings you whatever it is that you are in need of.

[Rob.Singer]

It took you THAT long to make those things up?

A quick check shows the Wired article came out in 10/2014. Oops!

I'm pulling out of the Shack interview? Gee, we contact each other every day, and Heather will be in touch asap.

Are you ever right? But please don't stop being wrong. The entertainment is priceless.

Mr. Swami strikes again. So how about that Cigar article link. A little tougher when you're asked for evidence, isn't it....