Alan Mendelson Going For The Jugular

[Bob21]

. We're not like you kew--under the control of a foolish democrat governor. We can do whatever we choose.

You say stupid shit like this as if this offends me. I didn't vote for the democratic Governor. Never cared for the man actually. After the Novemeber 1 shooting he was on the news every single day, every news conference like he was someone. He was a county commissioner...big deal. No one cared what a county commissioner had to say. We wanted to hear from the Sherrif and FBI what they were doing or learning. This dude used that shooting to get his mug on TV for a couple weeks.

And as far as Arizona, while I am not all that political, I am a republican, not a trump supporter, but a republican. And as I republican I am concerned about Arizona. They just elected a democratic Senator and are likely to elect a second democratic senator this year as the astronaut guy is running way ahead of the goofy woman that was given (not elected) to the job when Kyl retired. It also looks like Arizona may very well flip blue this presidential election for the first time in a long time. So I would be concerned about how long you will have a republican governor with the way the state is trending.

As a republican I am concerned about not only Arizona, but Georgia and even Texas. These states are trending blue. Maybe not this year, but at some point these states are going to turn blue. And when they do (especially Texas), that will be the end of competitive presidential elections for a while. At your age, may not effect you, but I am concerned.

The "goofy woman" you refer to was a fighter pilot. And if you are a republican then I am Santa Claus. GTFO!!

Lol. This gets the award for the post of the day, maybe the post of the week.

[kewlJ]

If this interview is anything like the first one he did with you, it's going to be pointless and get nowhere. I made a few suggestions to Mike, however, if he's setting it up within a week, I highly doubt my suggestions will take place. Rob, I asked that sometime in the future you reserve another interview that I'm involved with personally. A simple Q&A of you telling your story is not going to get to the bottom of this whatsoever. There needs to be much more.

Can I ask what exactly is the purpose of this? Is Mike trying or intending to get to the bottom of this? And what exactly are we talking about getting to the bottom of? All Rob's claims? I mean the thread Alan started over there (at WoV) was about Rob's Progression wagering system with special plays. THAT is what Alan claims Rob told him was BS. Now over here discussion sort of evolved back to the double up bug claim. And while they are separate claims and there are some distinct differences, like the double-up is mathematically possible, so it clears that hurdle whereas the Singer system claim does not, I really consider them both just different parts of fantasy claims. So what exactly are Mike and Rob going to be discussing and trying to get to the bottom of?

[BoSox]

KewlJ, you have written this same type post numerous times about Moses and frankly I wish he would just ignore you. Instead he takes the bait "which you greatly enjoy" and runs with it. Compounding all of this he gets angry trying to defend himself against your sick humor. The angrier he gets the more you get worked up and masterbate.

BoSox, you want to paint me to be the bad guy, picking on Mo-Mo at the Funny Farm. Yes, I do pick on Mo-Mo, but only in response to his attacks and trying to discredit me for years on many forums, some you may not even be aware of.

I just admitted I was wrong about the homeless thing. He has some sort of income and is able to keep a roof over his head. But here's the thing. This time last year you too were making references about Moses being homeless. And when Moses joined this forum as a sockpuppet posing as his GF, what was it UCFX or something like that, you and UCFX went at it pretty good. You had some pretty nasty things to say to UCFX as well as some nasty comments about another rolling around inside Moses head, Tater. AND Moses, posting as this girlfriend had some pretty unkind things to say about you. I can post these if you have forgotten because I do know how to quote. I have no need to do that to you. But maybe you should go back and read.

The bigger point BoSox, is how YOU have changed. Your switch, which has been noticed on several forums. It still isn't clear to anyone what your issue is. You claim you don't like that I have shared my experiences including annual results. I don't know what to tell you, I have done that for a decade and said I was going to do just that, share my journey as best I could to show just what kind of money and living a mid-level grinder blackjack AP could make. It makes no sense that this offends you. I am pretty sure it is something else. But whatever it is get over it BoSox. I don't need you supporting me or being my friend if you don't want to but, somehow try to make your way back to the level-headed reasonable guy you used to be, before whatever bug crawled up your ass crawled up there. Find your way home BoSox.

Of course Moses and I had plenty of battles in the past with differences. You will find out that if you confront him on a site where he can return replys you will be better off in the long run. After a period of time went by without bickering at each other, I was continuing to follow his posts and realized that we both have plenty in common, regardless that he plays single deck games, and that I play shoes.

[Bob21]

the double-up is mathematically possible

Wrongo Kj. The double-up has nothing to do with math. It has to do with a “bug”. There was a “bug” in the program that could be exploited.

There are only two ways to find “bugs” and neither one has to do with math. You either find them by being drunk off your rocker and pressing random buttons for no apperent reason after you’ve won, or by professional “bug” hunters.

But “bugs” are not found by the math people. Let’s get that straight!

[AxelWolf]

the double-up is mathematically possible

Wrongo Kj. The double-up has nothing to do with math. It has to do with a “bug”. There was a “bug” in the program that could be exploited.

There are only two ways to find “bugs” and neither one has to do with math. You either find them by being drunk off your rocker and pressing random buttons for no apperent reason after you’ve won, or by professional “bug” hunters.

But “bugs” are not found by the math people. Let’s get that straight!

Bugs are found by math people who realize certain aspects about programming and know what to look for. Bugs are found buy Advantage players who know what to look for oftentimes after finding one by chance. Of course there's math involved, you can calculate your advantage.

[Ozzy]

Update on the interview:

We agreed to do the interview via video technology (if I can figure it out with his help) since the current situation isn't the best for doing it in person. I assume it'll happen in a week or so? We did hold off on our departure because there's no schedule we have to keep to and I'd like to get this done.

My favorite vp book is also MDVP because it's very entertaining and not just a monotonous repitition of vp math probability formulas & theories. At the time I wrote a very complimentary review of it in my column. Dancer was surprised and personally thanked me. But the pleasantries didn't last long.

Mickey I think you're meaning Huntington Press.

I've got to get the RV back in its storage park for a week or so, unhook the car, and get the food back in the house, so I'm out of the insults and arguing business for a few days. But everyone--feel free to keep busy at it while your democrat governors keep you all under control.

If this interview is anything like the first one he did with you, it's going to be pointless and get nowhere. I made a few suggestions to Mike, however, if he's setting it up within a week, I highly doubt my suggestions will take place. Rob, I asked that sometime in the future you reserve another interview that I'm involved with personally. A simple Q&A of you telling your story is not going to get to the bottom of this whatsoever. There needs to be much more.

If the interview with Shack is a failure, you should interview Singer. Your gambling expertise is as credible as Shacks.(Mickey can also be a viable option)

[AxelWolf]

If this interview is anything like the first one he did with you, it's going to be pointless and get nowhere. I made a few suggestions to Mike, however, if he's setting it up within a week, I highly doubt my suggestions will take place. Rob, I asked that sometime in the future you reserve another interview that I'm involved with personally. A simple Q&A of you telling your story is not going to get to the bottom of this whatsoever. There needs to be much more.

Can I ask what exactly is the purpose of this? Is Mike trying or intending to get to the bottom of this? And what exactly are we talking about getting to the bottom of? All Rob's claims? I mean the thread Alan started over there (at WoV) was about Rob's Progression wagering system with special plays. THAT is what Alan claims Rob told him was BS. Now over here discussion sort of evolved back to the double up bug claim. And while they are separate claims and there are some distinct differences, like the double-up is mathematically possible, so it clears that hurdle whereas the Singer system claim does not, I really consider them both just different parts of fantasy claims. So what exactly are Mike and Rob going to be discussing and trying to get to the bottom of?

The DUB.

[Rob.Singer]

Axel I don't 100% know the specifics of this interview but I have no problem with it. And I think another one down the road with you and I present with Mike (& Heather) would be a good idea. If I'm grilled about my strategy, my realtionship with Alan, or the DU play I can handle it. There's no one alive that knows my strategy or that play better than me.

[Rob.Singer]

Kew, I think I read where Alan at first was saying he felt deceived because I did not play my strategy, then he changed it to "3 years + $300k" because of what he read over here. But even that's wrong, as usual. But any of the aforementioned topics could come up.

Either way, I'll put in a good word for you.

[AxelWolf]

Update on the interview:

We agreed to do the interview via video technology (if I can figure it out with his help) since the current situation isn't the best for doing it in person. I assume it'll happen in a week or so? We did hold off on our departure because there's no schedule we have to keep to and I'd like to get this done.

My favorite vp book is also MDVP because it's very entertaining and not just a monotonous repitition of vp math probability formulas & theories. At the time I wrote a very complimentary review of it in my column. Dancer was surprised and personally thanked me. But the pleasantries didn't last long.

Mickey I think you're meaning Huntington Press.

I've got to get the RV back in its storage park for a week or so, unhook the car, and get the food back in the house, so I'm out of the insults and arguing business for a few days. But everyone--feel free to keep busy at it while your democrat governors keep you all under control.

If this interview is anything like the first one he did with you, it's going to be pointless and get nowhere. I made a few suggestions to Mike, however, if he's setting it up within a week, I highly doubt my suggestions will take place. Rob, I asked that sometime in the future you reserve another interview that I'm involved with personally. A simple Q&A of you telling your story is not going to get to the bottom of this whatsoever. There needs to be much more.

If the interview with Shack is a failure, you should interview Singer. Your gambling expertise is as credible as Shacks.(Mickey can also be a viable option)

Thank you, but I certainly don't think my knowledge about game math is anywhere close to his, and no doubt there's some areas he understands better than me(I have no clue how to play pai gow tiles). I wouldn't doubt that I'm better at exploiting something that has an advantage and seeing some type of angle that is an obvious with some outside of the Box thinking.

Having a conversation with Rob and asking him questions about the play isn't really going to get anywhere. What question could be asked that hasn't been asked already? Unless Rob can provide Something song there's no way he can prove he actually played this. Perhaps Rob has an Ace in the Hole that he's been holding back. Personally I believe there would have to be a much more in-depth investigation such as contacting IGT and putting together a timeline. For instance, what if just prior to Rob announcing that he played this we find a paper trail of him purchasing this model the potentially have the double up bug? Or if we come to find out that he already owned one? Or what if a gaming agent actually had knowledge and Rob was in fact on her radar. What if we could get copies of W2'g somehow? Perhaps a particular employee remembers him. I'm going to leave at that(there would have to be some surprises) I think there's quite a few other things that can be done that would at least put together a good enough picture to convince everyone (sane) one way or the other.

[kewlJ]

Having a conversation with Rob and asking him questions about the play isn't really going to get anywhere. What question could be asked that hasn't been asked already? Unless Rob can provide Something song there's no way he can prove he actually played this. Perhaps Rob has an Ace in the Hole that he's been holding back. Personally I believe there would have to be a much more in-depth investigation such as contacting IGT and putting together a timeline. For instance, what if just prior to Rob announcing that he played this we find a paper trail of him purchasing this model the potentially have the double up bug? Or if we come to find out that he already owned one? Or what if a gaming agent actually had knowledge and Rob was in fact on her radar. What if we could get copies of W2'g somehow? Perhaps a particular employee remembers him. I'm going to leave at that(there would have to be some surprises) I think there's quite a few other things that can be done that would at least put together a good enough picture to convince everyone (sane) one way or the other.

I too have considered and wondered about the possibility that Rob has some information, something that might at least go towards verifying his claim, regarding the double up bug. That is the only one worth talking about, the other claim just is silly. From the time he announced this double up bug claim, Rob has sought a bigger stage than VCT to discuss or promote this claim. Anything from GWAE to an interview with Mike to....whatever else he has in mind. So I have been wondering if he has been holding out some info or "proof" for a lack of a better term. I don't really know if there is definitive proof, but possibly and I think it is a very long shot, maybe some kind of "supporting evidence", like has been discussed in the last 2 days.

Look, the ideal solution would have been tax records and casino W-2 and paperwork. Rob immediately nixed this by saying he threw all that away, which to me makes no sense. And I am trying to be objective here. Rob talks about concerns with the Statue of Limitations as a reason he would have gotten rid of these records as quickly as he could. That doesn't make sense to me. Anyone coming after him, whether some sort of law enforcement or even IRS, wouldn't need HIS records. That would already have copies of everything he had and claims to have gotten rid of. Getting rid of those records wasn't getting rid of evidence, that could some how protect him. That is silly. But it sure is convenient as to why he can't show them now to back up his claim.

Now in the absence of tax records and casino documentation, the only other thing that makes sense is some sort of financial records of what he did with at least some of the money. receipts of big ticket items, including real estate. Rob has always claimed he bought house and put them in the names of his daughter. Right or wrong that some of us have looked into that, the houses in his daughters name just are not paid for as he claims. There are large mortagages owed on both, one more than the property is currently worth. This just doesn't fly either. It really doesn't.

That brings up to the final thing. Rob has talked about owning an expensive RV or two? for years. Only recently did he mention that was bought with "double-up bug" money. So if the timing was right, that could be some sort of supporting evidence, as Alan/Andrew was getting at in the other thread that he started here. But so far Rob has not been receptive to the idea of providing a receipt.

Now as I have always said Rob is under no obligation to provide proof. He is not on trial. But he is the one that floated this claim (double up bug) out of the blue last year and there are just very few that believe him, as evident of the poll and comments at WoV. Based on his long history, if he wants people to believe him, he has to show something. Maybe he is just holding out for the BIG platform to do so.

[Rob.Singer]

If this interview is anything like the first one he did with you, it's going to be pointless and get nowhere. I made a few suggestions to Mike, however, if he's setting it up within a week, I highly doubt my suggestions will take place. Rob, I asked that sometime in the future you reserve another interview that I'm involved with personally. A simple Q&A of you telling your story is not going to get to the bottom of this whatsoever. There needs to be much more.

If the interview with Shack is a failure, you should interview Singer. Your gambling expertise is as credible as Shacks.(Mickey can also be a viable option)

Thank you, but I certainly don't think my knowledge about game math is anywhere close to his, and no doubt there's some areas he understands better than me(I have no clue how to play pai gow tiles). I wouldn't doubt that I'm better at exploiting something that has an advantage and seeing some type of angle that is an obvious with some outside of the Box thinking.

Having a conversation with Rob and asking him questions about the play isn't really going to get anywhere. What question could be asked that hasn't been asked already? Unless Rob can provide Something song there's no way he can prove he actually played this. Perhaps Rob has an Ace in the Hole that he's been holding back. Personally I believe there would have to be a much more in-depth investigation such as contacting IGT and putting together a timeline. For instance, what if just prior to Rob announcing that he played this we find a paper trail of him purchasing this model the potentially have the double up bug? Or if we come to find out that he already owned one? Or what if a gaming agent actually had knowledge and Rob was in fact on her radar. What if we could get copies of W2'g somehow? Perhaps a particular employee remembers him. I'm going to leave at that(there would have to be some surprises) I think there's quite a few other things that can be done that would at least put together a good enough picture to convince everyone (sane) one way or the other.

axel, disregarding the ongoing nonsensical obsession of kew that's littered with false bs---whatever anybody wants to do would be under no objection of mine.

I'm aware that Mike may ask me some questions about the double up play, but would he ask me to provide proof of anything? No idea on that. But whatever that means to him would have to translate to direct proof, and not by assuming things based on what I've bought or what's in my brokerage account, etc. All that would do is lead the haters to then claim I could have bought this car or that house or RV with money I had. Of course, they'll say it proves it BEFORE I release it. Once I do, their tune will immediately change. So that stuff's never gonna happen.

I must have read a dozen posts where kew continually claims he doesn't have to provide proof of his silly claims of always winning. But if he does I'll do it also. And if he wants to post proof of his welfare bs, I'll post more proof of whatever he wants. It's all up to him.

[kewlJ]

All that would do is lead the haters to then claim I could have bought this car or that house or RV with money I had. Of course, they'll say it proves it BEFORE I release it. Once I do, their tune will immediately change. So that stuff's never gonna happen.

I must have read a dozen posts where kew continually claims he doesn't have to provide proof of his silly claims of always winning. But if he does I'll do it also. And if he wants to post proof of his welfare bs, I'll post more proof of whatever he wants. It's all up to him.

Rob, first I never said a thing about welfare or welfare fraud. I don't know if someone else used those terms or you have a guilty conscience or what, but I never used those term. What I saw said something about food stamps and that you were temporarily banned from the program for a number of years. I mean, I guess food stamps is part of the welfare program and welfare system, I really don't know. I only stated what I saw...BUT is no longer part of the record. I am assuming you had it removed. I really have no idea how any of that works.

So as I just said and have said a hundred times now, I don't have any proof of what I and others previously saw. I didn't make copies of your personal records and information. It is bad enough that I looked at it. So based on that I can't prove it at this time, people are free to believe me or not believe me. Nothing I can do about that.

But YOU and coach belly, continuing to insist that I release something that I have repeatedly said I don't have, as a condition of you releasing something is bizarre. It really isn't bizarre, but rather typical of you. Any kind of situation or bet that requires you to put up any thing, you always attach conditions that can not possible met, which leaves you free not to put up. And then you blame the other party. Your games are not new. We have all seen them over and over. It is the same old 20-year troll.

Now regarding, you releasing proof of the RV sale, which we all know you will not do: If I am honest, I don't know that would be convincing evidence for me. Not with everything I know of and about you. If I am honest, I think I would still have my strong doubts. But I said I would accept that as evidence and I would. I would keep any doubts to myself, stop all the public back and forth, congratulate you and move on. Alan has said likewise, through Andrew, odd as that is.

So you get to put this to bed and claim victory just by showing this 1.5 million receipt for this RV. Even if you bought the RV will a lifetime of savings from the good government jobs that you have, you STILL get to put this to bed and claim victory. What more could you ask for? You should be jumping at this. The fact that you are not speaks volumes.

[AndrewG]

Kew, I think I read where Alan at first was saying he felt deceived because I did not play my strategy, then he changed it to "3 years + $300k" because of what he read over here. But even that's wrong, as usual. But any of the aforementioned topics could come up.

Either way, I'll put in a good word for you.

You THINK you read that Mr Alan said you didn't play "your strategy"? Please show where?

The information on his website on the "Alan's Notebook" page and the information posted on the Wizard of Vegas website is very clear. He said you changed your story. He said you confessed to him that you played your strategy for about three years profiting about $300,000. He made no statements that said you never played your strategy.

In your fervor to defend yourself over not having proof about the double up bug you launched a campaign to humiliate him and attacked him and his family.

Can anyone FIND ANY PROOF that Mr Alan said you did not play your strategy for about three years profiting about $300,000 ?

Come on now all you proof demanders: CAN ANYONE FIND EVEN ONE INSTANCE WHERE MR ALAN SAID MR SINGER DID NOT PLAY HIS STRATEGY FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS PROFITING ABOUT $300,000 ?

It seems to me you, Mr Singer, owe him an apology for your attacks based on incorrect information.

[kewlJ]

Can anyone FIND ANY PROOF that Mr Alan said you did not play your strategy for about three years profiting about $300,000 ?

Come on now all you proof demanders: CAN ANYONE FIND EVEN ONE INSTANCE WHERE MR ALAN SAID MR SINGER DID NOT PLAY HIS STRATEGY FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS PROFITING ABOUT $300,000 ?

It seems to me you, Mr Singer, owe him an apology for your attacks based on incorrect information.

Oh god Andrew, I have to defend Rob a little on this one. Thank you for that.

When I first read your (or make that Alan's) post at WoV, I mistakenly thought you were saying you were mad because Rob had told you he never played the Singer, whatever you call it VP system. And I posted something to that effect here, maybe several times I believe. It was a day later that I re=read your initial post over there and realized I had misinterpreted what you were saying and that instead you were mad that Rob had changed his story from 10 years to 3 or 4. So Rob may very well have repeated what I erroneously said. I take full responsibility for that and for that I apologize to you. If you feel you need an additional apology from Rob, that is between the two of you.

[AndrewG]

Thank you Mr Kewlj. Let's see if Mr Singer will acknowledge this or if he'll call me an ambulance chaser again?

[Rob.Singer]

Can anyone FIND ANY PROOF that Mr Alan said you did not play your strategy for about three years profiting about $300,000 ?

Come on now all you proof demanders: CAN ANYONE FIND EVEN ONE INSTANCE WHERE MR ALAN SAID MR SINGER DID NOT PLAY HIS STRATEGY FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS PROFITING ABOUT $300,000 ?

It seems to me you, Mr Singer, owe him an apology for your attacks based on incorrect information.

Oh god Andrew, I have to defend Rob a little on this one. Thank you for that.

When I first read your (or make that Alan's) post at WoV, I mistakenly thought you were saying you were mad because Rob had told you he never played the Singer, whatever you call it VP system. And I posted something to that effect here, maybe several times I believe. It was a day later that I re=read your initial post over there and realized I had misinterpreted what you were saying and that instead you were mad that Rob had changed his story from 10 years to 3 or 4. So Rob may very well have repeated what I erroneously said. I take full responsibility for that and for that I apologize to you. If you feel you need an additional apology from Rob, that is between the two of you.

This is probably the first time you ever got something right about me. I did in fact repeat what you said.
However, Alan, with his very inept ways, lied about it being 3 years/$300k. It wasn't. This is the kind of ambulance-chasing/breaking news hack he is. You already know he fabricated the "18 yo's", and he created the dice problem argument just to be in the limelight. If there's a movie to be made, it should be a tear-jerker about him and his antics.

[AndrewG]

Here is exactly what Mr Alan posted. Now suppose we were in court, why don't you detail the alleged lie?

" He did say that the system he presented to me did produce profits of about $300,000 over three years,"

[Rob.Singer]

Here is exactly what Mr Alan posted. Now suppose we were in court, why don't you detail the alleged lie?

" He did say that the system he presented to me did produce profits of about $300,000 over three years,"

Because Alan, you are as thick as they come, and I never told you it was 3 years/$300k. If you have been reading as much as you claim to have read here, you'd have never seen me post that I won $300k over 3 years, and you would have seen me post at least a dozen times that it was $375k over FOUR years.

[AndrewG]

Here is exactly what Mr Alan posted. Now suppose we were in court, why don't you detail the alleged lie?

" He did say that the system he presented to me did produce profits of about $300,000 over three years,"

Because Alan, you are as thick as they come, and I never told you it was 3 years/$300k. If you have been reading as much as you claim to have read here, you'd have never seen me post that I won $300k over 3 years, and you would have seen me post at least a dozen times that it was $375k over FOUR years.

I'm glad you wrote this Mr Singer. We'd be very open to having both statements presented to a jury so they could decide if Mr Alan's statement on his website and on WOV was a lie.

At the same time are you prepared for your various comments about him and his family to be presented to a jury?