It's an odd question. I looked for ANYTHING from 2000-2004. In fact I'm back at it and I thought I was onto something just before the shutdown.Originally Posted by coach belly
When was the DU feature introduced?Originally Posted by Bob21
It's an odd question. I looked for ANYTHING from 2000-2004. In fact I'm back at it and I thought I was onto something just before the shutdown.Originally Posted by coach bellyWhen was the DU feature introduced?Originally Posted by Bob21
It was requested that he produce the report that he has repeatedly quoted for years.Originally Posted by Cookie Monster
The consensus is that the researcher is lying.
If he paid for that report, he either saved it or printed it out, or both.
Again Bob---my experience was nothing like how Wired reported it.
I never looked for "bugs" in the '90's. I looked for anything from 2000-2004.
Confusing where you're getting your baseline info from.
Why did you start looking for "bugs" in 2000? Did something change with the games that indicated a "bug" might be in one of them?Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
He made it up.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Thank you cookie monster and welcome.Originally Posted by Cookie Monster
You know why THAT stood out as weird to you? Because it is.No one demanding that I put up that proof really wanted to see that proof because they aren't interested in the truth. They can't handle the truth! Ok, sorry...slipping into movie reference.
Seriously any one on this forum that wanted to see the information that I and MaxPen described can look it up for themselves. You know what it would cost? 1 freaking dollar! That's right it is $1 for a 5 day trial.
So no, no one wanted to see that information. They all already know what I said is true. They were just hoping to get me to post copies of the actual information because that is illegal.
The other thing quite common on this site, especially with this Rob Singer character, is that whenever it is time for him to put up anything ranging from proof of something to a bet, he always and I mean always ties it to a condition that he knows can't or won't be met.
In this case, this was his golden opportunity to prove to everyone....shove it in everyone's face that what he was saying was true. He should have been jumping at that opportunity but instead he tied it to a condition he knew couldn't be met, because it is illegal for me to have met it. And that really tells you all you need to know. Everything else is just posturing. Again, He had the chance to end this once and for all and prove everyone wrong and not only refused but tied it to a condition that he knew could not be met. There really is nothing else to argue about or say. That is game, set, match.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
And by the way, Mickeycrimm is now doing the exact same thing as Singer. No real surprise is it. Crimm is demanding I show proof of my claims of advantage player, because he knows that I can't and wont. I am an active professional player. I cannot and will not show anything that could put my career in jeopardy. No advantage player would or does. It is almost shocking to see another advantage player demand that. Shows how far Crimm has sunk.
When an advantage player makes a claim involving money or success, people have to decide for themselves based on two things. 1.) is the claim possible by mathematic principles or does it defy the math and 2.) Has this member demonstrated the knowledge that he knows what he is talking about or is he just talking.
No one being honest will say that I don't know what I am talking about when it comes to blackjack and card counting. No matter how much someone may dislike me for other reasons, no one being honest can say that. Of course honesty and this forum, parted ways a long, long time ago.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
The same old same old lies and excuses kew. You can't show any proof of anything because we all know you made it all up. Professional player my ass. Provide proof of THAT. I know what you really do and that's why you see me as such a threat.
Your worst nightmare after being excommunicated from WoV is coming true here now. Nobody but weirdo redietz likes you, you're being taken to task over your proof bs, and you're as easy to toy with as the sky is blue.
let me squeeze in a "Happy Birthday Rob" before midnight. I hope you have many more. And I honestly hope you find whatever it is you have been searching for 20 years that you need to complete your life. It must be very important to you to have put up this charade for so long.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
Apparently you haven't read what I have been saying.Originally Posted by Bob21
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Apparently you didn't have to hit jackpots, any win could be multiplied from the lowest to the highest denomination(that I still haven't confirmed 100%). Rob was asked why he was risking the jackpot method when just about everyone else thinks it would have been much better to avoid that.
It's only a charade to people who want it to be. Envy breeds contempt. Contempt breeds desperation. And that's what this is all about in a nutshell.Originally Posted by kewlJlet me squeeze in a "Happy Birthday Rob" before midnight. I hope you have many more. And I honestly hope you find whatever it is you have been searching for 20 years that you need to complete your life. It must be very important to you to have put up this charade for so long.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
What/how does that affect anything?Originally Posted by Rob.SingerOne comment: if you press "No, and don't ask again" and when you're done playing you cash out, if you then insert a bill or ticket to play the same game again (lots of people do this for some reason) then the question will pop up onto the screen after a winning hand again.Originally Posted by coach bellyWhen you hit a winning hand, pop-up windows appear on the screen, one asks "Double-Up?"Originally Posted by MaxPen
The answer choices I've see are "Yes" , "No" & "No, and don't ask me again"
If you select "don't ask me again" the feature is de-activated until you change games (if playing a multi-game machine).
You select your answer by touching your answer on the screen, or using the corresponding "hold" button.
While there are 3 answer choices, there are 5 hold buttons.
I could see a player hitting one of the 2 outside buttons by mistake, and that triggering a sequence where he could discover the glitch.
If looking for a bug, Rob could have pressed the "drone" buttons just to see what happens. If he noticed the bill acceptor light up during the DU feature, that could have triggered further investigation.
Maybe Rob is a little bit smarter than everybodyOriginally Posted by AxelWolfApparently you haven't read what I have been saying.Originally Posted by Bob21
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Apparently you didn't have to hit jackpots, any win could be multiplied from the lowest to the highest denomination(that I still haven't confirmed 100%). Rob was asked why he was risking the jackpot method when just about everyone else thinks it would have been much better to avoid that.
There is nothing left to say. I will repeat this over and over every time you try to engage with me.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Again, He had the chance to end this once and for all and prove everyone wrong and not only refused but tied it to a condition that he knew could not and would not be met. There really is nothing else to argue about or say. That is game, set, match.[/QUOTE]
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
There has been a definite change to your writing style on several forums, with that dotted line separating your thoughts. It threw me at first, as I though maybe the first part referred to someone else. But it is fine.Originally Posted by AxelWolfApparently you haven't read what I have been saying.Originally Posted by Bob21
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Apparently you didn't have to hit jackpots, any win could be multiplied from the lowest to the highest denomination(that I still haven't confirmed 100%). Rob was asked why he was risking the jackpot method when just about everyone else thinks it would have been much better to avoid that.
So I have said in the past that I wouldn't have played this if I had found it. And it is not fair to say that because who knows what they would do with this staring you in the face. But if I was going to play this I am quite sure I wouldn't have been going for hand pays as Rob claims and Nester and Kane did. Just like with my blackjack play, I would want to handle it as quietly as possible. So my question is why would anybody be going for the hand pays? Executing this play on 4oak's or even full houses at higher denoms, over and over and over, without involving anyone else would be the way to go wouldn't it? Wouldn't that be the road to longevity?
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Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
Criminals, scammers, liars and lowlifes always think and say this and they never are. Every criminal sitting in jail has thought this.Originally Posted by Rob.SingerMaybe Rob is a little bit smarter than everybody
Now here is a thought for you Mr. smarty pants:
Again, Rob had the chance to end this once and for all and prove everyone wrong and not only refused but tied it to a condition that he knew could not and would not be met. There really is nothing else to argue about or say. That is game, set, match.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
I agree with you here Kj. Assuming the wired article is correct, it looks like this bug could have easily been exploited without ever getting a hand pay. If someone exploited it this way, he’d have never got caught and should have been able to easily extract at least a million per year.Originally Posted by kewlJThere has been a definite change to your writing style on several forums, with that dotted line separating your thoughts. It threw me at first, as I though maybe the first part referred to someone else. But it is fine.Originally Posted by AxelWolfApparently you haven't read what I have been saying.Originally Posted by Bob21
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Apparently you didn't have to hit jackpots, any win could be multiplied from the lowest to the highest denomination(that I still haven't confirmed 100%). Rob was asked why he was risking the jackpot method when just about everyone else thinks it would have been much better to avoid that.
So I have said in the past that I wouldn't have played this if I had found it. And it is not fair to say that because who knows what they would do with this staring you in the face. But if I was going to play this I am quite sure I wouldn't have been going for hand pays as Rob claims and Nester and Kane did. Just like with my blackjack play, I would want to handle it as quietly as possible. So my question is why would anybody be going for the hand pays? Executing this play on 4oak's or even full houses at higher denoms, over and over and over, without involving anyone else would be the way to go wouldn't it? Wouldn't that be the road to longevity?
And if you wanted to go the hand pay route, then one per casino per month should easily keep you under the radar. You shouldn’t even need to travel to another state, but that could be an option to break up the play, and be safer.
What Kane did getting 8 hand pays at one casino in one evening is dumb beyond words. What did he think would happen? It sounded like Nester did about the same thing when he went back to Pennsylvania. His group would just camp out getting hand pay after hand pay and somehow think they would get away with it?
Again, this play is not that hard to get away with (once found) by just using some common sense. Getting away with it would be the easy part. Finding it is the hard part.
I believe you're at least slightly smarter than NathanOriginally Posted by Rob.SingerMaybe Rob is a little bit smarter than everybodyOriginally Posted by AxelWolfApparently you haven't read what I have been saying.Originally Posted by Bob21
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Apparently you didn't have to hit jackpots, any win could be multiplied from the lowest to the highest denomination(that I still haven't confirmed 100%). Rob was asked why he was risking the jackpot method when just about everyone else thinks it would have been much better to avoid that.
Bob21, you keep referring to the one article, the Wired article. And that is the most commonly quoted article and the article that comes up most when you look for this story. But there are other articles. It was in the news off and on for few years from arrest through the legal preceedings.
Here is an article you may like because Nestor, not once but twice compares what they did to card counting saying it is not a crime, but frowned upon, which is laughable.In my opinion the play is a crime. I believe the prosecutors over-reached and blew the case, but I believe it is a crime. However they weren't convicted so, it is hard to argue that it was a crime.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41007219/n...eo-poker-scam/
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
Yes, I think you're a little late to the party on that aspect. I think the odds are astronomical, and I said that more than once. And yet, someone actually found it.Originally Posted by Bob21
It took an addicted gambler feverishly pressing buttons moving up and down denominations, playing different games going in and out of the menu to accidentally find the glitch. Who else moves up and down denominations with their system?
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