Alan Mendelson Going For The Jugular

[MaxPen]

Maybe its time to show some proof for a change. That's what everyone is clamoring for.

Rob claimed to make 2.8 million on the double up bug. He should put up the proof.

I claimed never having a losing year in 24 years of gambling. I should put up the proof.

Redietz claims to having been a professional sports handicapper for 40 years. Where is his proof.

Kj says he makes an average of 80K per year playing blackjack. Show us the proof.

JBJB claims to beat blackjack by hole carding. Where's the proof?

SO LET'S ALL GET BUSY AND PUT UP THE PROOF. We'll show Singer, by golly. It's easy to put up proof, right guys. You all have it, right, the proof? KJ? Redietz? You guys got proof, right? Let's put the proof up just to show Singer how it's done. Who wants to go first?

You have to admit all but one of those stories are highly believable.
Especially when background checks of our resident public multi-millionaire show no assets of any significance besides a few beat vehicles registered in his name. Along with other derogatory info that doesn't compute with the narrative.

[jbjb]

Maybe its time to show some proof for a change. That's what everyone is clamoring for.

Rob claimed to make 2.8 million on the double up bug. He should put up the proof.

I claimed never having a losing year in 24 years of gambling. I should put up the proof.

Redietz claims to having been a professional sports handicapper for 40 years. Where is his proof.

Kj says he makes an average of 80K per year playing blackjack. Show us the proof.

JBJB claims to beat blackjack by hole carding. Where's the proof?

SO LET'S ALL GET BUSY AND PUT UP THE PROOF. We'll show Singer, by golly. It's easy to put up proof, right guys. You all have it, right, the proof? KJ? Redietz? You guys got proof, right? Let's put the proof up just to show Singer how it's done. Who wants to go first?

You have to admit all but one of those stories are highly believable.
Especially when background checks of our resident public millionaire show no assets of any significance besides a few beat vehicles registered in his name. Along with other derogatory info that doesn't compute with the narrative.

I showed Alan one of our dealers. The only reason why I selected that dealer was because that person moved to another city to deal live poker. I would never show current ones. This particular dealer was what we call a "superstar." Even the "upside down 7" wasn't an issue

I even sent it to KJ. I'm sure he's seen dealers ust as good. He just chooses not to play that way.

[kewlJ]

I also want to address something Dan Druff said. I have frequently called for Dan to ban Singer. But not because he is, intentionally misleading other players and members. I am fine with people in the community self-policing that as I do (something I wasn't allowed to do at Norms BJ forum). I think AP's and people that know the math have not only a right but a responsibility to call out someone intentionally misleading other players. So I am fine with being among that group that will constantly challenge such a person.

I am also fine with Rob or the guy on the other forum defending their position, scam or con as it may be. This is where it becomes the responsibility of players to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. But personal attacks of someone, their race, religion gender, sexual orientation and attacks on family members, and especially deceased family members is not defending you position. If THAT is all you got, then you pretty much have been exposed.

Now yes, I am aware that sadly many here seem to enjoy all the 3rd grade name calling. I find that sad. I mean is this a forum about and related to gambling /casinos /advantage play or is this recess at the elementary school with all the bullying that went with that?

So yes I have called on and will continue to call on Dan ban someone who's only purpose here is to degrade others.

[coach belly]

So THAT is what I believe the scam is coach belly, building himself up to be something that he isn't

Get a grip...that's not a scam.

WOV member ONM has the best take on this situation...

"I do not see the point of this. Was someone somehow damaged or was this lie used to gain something other than attention? Cliff notes please. From what I've read, I'm not seeing any accusations anyone was hurt rather than being dragged into time wasted reading nonsense."

Dan Druff has it together as well...

I never understood the outrage regarding Singer and his stupid "system".

[kewlJ]

Maybe its time to show some proof for a change. That's what everyone is clamoring for.

Rob claimed to make 2.8 million on the double up bug. He should put up the proof.

I claimed never having a losing year in 24 years of gambling. I should put up the proof.

Redietz claims to having been a professional sports handicapper for 40 years. Where is his proof.

Kj says he makes an average of 80K per year playing blackjack. Show us the proof.

JBJB claims to beat blackjack by hole carding. Where's the proof?

SO LET'S ALL GET BUSY AND PUT UP THE PROOF. We'll show Singer, by golly. It's easy to put up proof, right guys. You all have it, right, the proof? KJ? Redietz? You guys got proof, right? Let's put the proof up just to show Singer how it's done. Who wants to go first?

No No No, mickey. No one is required to prove anything regarding something that is realistic, that the math works. But when you elevate your claims to something that completely defies math and logic or elevate to a claim like the double up that would be a huge story in the community, yeah, you should have something to back it up.

I'll give ya a couple examples:

Someone comes on and says "hey I ran around the block". Who needs proof of that? nothing unusual or defying anything, But someone comes on and says I ran around the block in 2.6 seconds? yeah you better be able to show something superman.

How about this one. Someone comes on and says I stole a candybar last night at CVS. I don't think anyone is asking for proof. But someone comes on and says I stole 10 million (or 2.8 million) from an armed Brink truck last night, requesting proof isn't unreasonable.

let's take it to gambling. Someone comes on and says I won such and such this year playing VP at an advantage, a 101% return. No one questions that. But someone saying I won millions or hundreds of thousand playing a 98% return game using "special plays and rabbits feet" better be able to prove how he defied the math.

And someone making an extraordinary claim of such as the double up bug, a claim that would be legendary in the community, is expected to show some proof. Nothing unreasonable about this expectation.

[Rob.Singer]

Maybe its time to show some proof for a change. That's what everyone is clamoring for.

Rob claimed to make 2.8 million on the double up bug. He should put up the proof.

I claimed never having a losing year in 24 years of gambling. I should put up the proof.

Redietz claims to having been a professional sports handicapper for 40 years. Where is his proof.

Kj says he makes an average of 80K per year playing blackjack. Show us the proof.

JBJB claims to beat blackjack by hole carding. Where's the proof?

SO LET'S ALL GET BUSY AND PUT UP THE PROOF. We'll show Singer, by golly. It's easy to put up proof, right guys. You all have it, right, the proof? KJ? Redietz? You guys got proof, right? Let's put the proof up just to show Singer how it's done. Who wants to go first?

You have to admit all but one of those stories are highly believable.
Especially when background checks of our resident public multi-millionaire show no assets of any significance besides a few beat vehicles registered in his name. Along with other derogatory info that doesn't compute with the narrative.

Max that's ignorant and you know it. You people who think you know everything by searching have no clue what goes on outside your safe little worlds.

There's plenty of gamblers who hide their real identities from casinos for their own particular reasons, and there's plenty of even smarter people who do what I do in one form or another. The things I purchase all go into my children's names for a specific purpose, and I got guidance on the how and why from people I worked with in the US Govt. I've lived around the world at different times in my career, and that created even more reasons to do it how I do it.

You're other dumb statement is that I'm supposedly some multi-millionaire. Sure, if you count retirement money that isn't used to buy the "toys" as some of you call it and think we can just ignore the possibility of living comfortably into our 90's, then maybe. But the way some of you toss this nonsense around makes me believe there's a lot of paycheck to paycheckers here, who have zero concept of decent careers with retirement plans etc.

I have two RV's--the big one which I've shown, and a camper, which I pull with my p/u and after we leave S.Dakota we'll be headed to Tahoe with it for a few months.. Both were bought with stashed double-up cash. And if I never played the DU play I'd have never wasted money on the Class A.

I get that there's a lot of sour grapes about me around here, and I understand the need to paint as poor a picture of me as you can in order to cope. But all it does is show me how much you people reluctantly believe what I've done.

[Rob.Singer]

Maybe its time to show some proof for a change. That's what everyone is clamoring for.

Rob claimed to make 2.8 million on the double up bug. He should put up the proof.

I claimed never having a losing year in 24 years of gambling. I should put up the proof.

Redietz claims to having been a professional sports handicapper for 40 years. Where is his proof.

Kj says he makes an average of 80K per year playing blackjack. Show us the proof.

JBJB claims to beat blackjack by hole carding. Where's the proof?

SO LET'S ALL GET BUSY AND PUT UP THE PROOF. We'll show Singer, by golly. It's easy to put up proof, right guys. You all have it, right, the proof? KJ? Redietz? You guys got proof, right? Let's put the proof up just to show Singer how it's done. Who wants to go first?

No No No, mickey. No one is required to prove anything regarding something that is realistic, that the math works. But when you elevate your claims to something that completely defies math and logic or elevate to a claim like the double up that would be a huge story in the community, yeah, you should have something to back it up.

I'll give ya a couple examples:

Someone comes on and says "hey I ran around the block". Who needs proof of that? nothing unusual or defying anything, But someone comes on and says I ran around the block in 2.6 seconds? yeah you better be able to show something superman.

How about this one. Someone comes on and says I stole a candybar last night at CVS. I don't think anyone is asking for proof. But someone comes on and says I stole 10 million (or 2.8 million) from an armed Brink truck last night, requesting proof isn't unreasonable.

let's take it to gambling. Someone comes on and says I won such and such this year playing VP at an advantage, a 101% return. No one questions that. But someone saying I won millions or hundreds of thousand playing a 98% return game using "special plays and rabbits feet" better be able to prove how he defied the math.

And someone making an extraordinary claim of such as the double up bug, a claim that would be legendary in the community, is expected to show some proof. Nothing unreasonable about this expectation.

I like how kew won't ever be able to prove his claims, so he concocts the excuse that "I gamble according to the math so that 100% means I win 100% of what I say I've won, and YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME!

See how phony you are kew? You haven't been asked to prove the math. You've been asked to prove the amounts you claim to have won. No one knows if you've really won or even if you are capable at the tables or not. So prove it!

[redietz]

Maybe its time to show some proof for a change. That's what everyone is clamoring for.

Rob claimed to make 2.8 million on the double up bug. He should put up the proof.

I claimed never having a losing year in 24 years of gambling. I should put up the proof.

Redietz claims to having been a professional sports handicapper for 40 years. Where is his proof.

Kj says he makes an average of 80K per year playing blackjack. Show us the proof.

JBJB claims to beat blackjack by hole carding. Where's the proof?

SO LET'S ALL GET BUSY AND PUT UP THE PROOF. We'll show Singer, by golly. It's easy to put up proof, right guys. You all have it, right, the proof? KJ? Redietz? You guys got proof, right? Let's put the proof up just to show Singer how it's done. Who wants to go first?

You have to admit all but one of those stories are highly believable.
Especially when background checks of our resident public multi-millionaire show no assets of any significance besides a few beat vehicles registered in his name. Along with other derogatory info that doesn't compute with the narrative.

I get to put together another package? Great!! Where am I sending it? Mickey, what's your address?

Um, mickey, you helped me post my "Tipsters or Gypsters?" records in the Retro Road Trip thread. You want to repost them for me? I appreciated your reorienting them for me. I am bad with this online posting stuff. And those futures tickets...oh yeah, they were my late cousin's, E.R. Dietz. Well, we could post them anyway. And Alan has a package somewhere with some cool stuff in it.

The thing about sports handicapping. Your record is pretty much public. Everybody knows when you've had a bang-up season or sucked to hell.

By the way, E.R. Dietz will be coming back from the dead soon, sort of a tribute to MDawg. Probably at WoV. I'll give you a heads up. He needs to learn to post photos. It'll be a humor thread.

FYI, back when mickey was helping me prove my personal history, E.R. Dietz (my late cousin) posted some very impressive futures tickets. Somebody should probably look those up. The thing about E.R. -- he always made a killing in sports, but then he'd find ways to blow it. Since he's coming back from the dead, he'll be explaining this stuff at WoV. He's kind of the Super Dave of sports betting.

[kewlJ]

Especially when background checks of our resident public multi-millionaire show no assets of any significance besides a few beat vehicles registered in his name. Along with other derogatory info that doesn't compute with the narrative.

Last night mickey made a post with about 9 or 10 different things that some of us have "claimed" regarding Singer. You know the things like, the eviction/ legal judgements against for not paying rent, the living in his daughters driveway stealing electricity. The food stamp fraud allegation. living in a mobile home park in the armpit of Nevada, Pahrump.

Mickey seemed to think or be saying that all that stuff, some of which he repeatedly said was made up. It wasn't! It is all.... every one of those things on Singers public record that some of us looked up.

Now I'll be honest. I am not particularly proud that I did go look those things up. In light of recent developments where someone has stalled me and right to the door of my building last summer, I am seeing that I looked that up in a different light. There is no excuse for doing that even provoked as Singer is so good at. So I am not proud that I did that and now have that information, but if you are going to try to say that all of those things are made up, I can assure you they are not.

The food stamp thing has mysteriously disappeared from his record. If I had to guess, because the time frame is up on his disqualification from the program, he was able to get someone to remove that. Everything else mentioned is on there. Now I don't know if Singer lives in the RV parked in the driveway of a house registered to his daughter or if he lives in the house. So yeah, the living in the RV stealing electricity and wifi was a guess and meant to be humorous, as was the "cousin eddie" references.

Should I know all these things. Probably not. And I regret looking into them. But what is done is done and the fact is just like MaxPen said, these facts just aren't consistent with Singers story.

[monet]

I also want to address something Dan Druff said. I have frequently called for Dan to ban Singer. But not because he is, intentionally misleading other players and members. I am fine with people in the community self-policing that as I do (something I wasn't allowed to do at Norms BJ forum). I think AP's and people that know the math have not only a right but a responsibility to call out someone intentionally misleading other players. So I am fine with being among that group that will constantly challenge such a person.

I am also fine with Rob or the guy on the other forum defending their position, scam or con as it may be. This is where it becomes the responsibility of players to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. But personal attacks of someone, their race, religion gender, sexual orientation and attacks on family members, and especially deceased family members is not defending you position. If THAT is all you got, then you pretty much have been exposed.

Now yes, I am aware that sadly many here seem to enjoy all the 3rd grade name calling. I find that sad. I mean is this a forum about and related to gambling /casinos /advantage play or is this recess at the elementary school with all the bullying that went with that?

So yes I have called on and will continue to call on Dan ban someone who's only purpose here is to degrade others.

Well fuck you then kewlJ, you have Dan Druff's dick so far down your throat that you can no longer even think straight!

[kewlJ]

I like how kew won't ever be able to prove his claims, so he concocts the excuse that "I gamble according to the math so that 100% means I win 100% of what I say I've won, and YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME!

You don't have to believe me. I have always said that. Anyone can choose to believe whatever they like.

But there are two things. One is the math has to work. My math works. I mean most people like "King James" and jbjb and even some of my AP "friends" kind of laugh at me because I choose to play with such a narrow advantage that is card counting. BUT IT IS AN ADVANTAGE and I add some of my own twists to enhance that advantage and preserve longevity. I only occasionally reveal some of those "twists", and will never do so on this forum again as there is just no point. But no matter what anyone wants to say, my claims clear the first hurdle that the math works and for good reason.

Ok so number one is the math has to work. The second thing is and I know I constantly repeat this but "people need to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just taking." When I speak of what I do, it becomes pretty clear to almost everyone that I know what I am talking about. Oh sure, some people don't like me, for a variety of different reasons but I think there is very few people familiar with me that don't find me credible, because I know what I am talking about.

Now you on the other hand, Rob, the more you talk the less credible you become. Your stories change, your claims change, your "facts" change. And none of it adds up. You always manage to have some sort of excuse for everything, but few people being honestly objective find you credible. The polls show that. People may like your trolling, and attacks and find it all amusing and entertaining, but the fact is most people know you are just talking as opposed to knowing what your talking about.

I am sorry that you weren't able to cut it as an AP and failed and failed to best Dancer as you so wanted. But everything since then is just make believe. It is just fiction. And Dancer, as obnoxious as he is, has forever bested you. he made you his bitch!

[kewlJ]

Well fuck you then kewlJ, you have Dan Druff's dick so far down your throat that you can no longer even think straight!

This shows that you have no clue what you are talking about Monet. Dan has a fairly small dick and there is no way it would even reach down my throat.

[Rob.Singer]

Especially when background checks of our resident public multi-millionaire show no assets of any significance besides a few beat vehicles registered in his name. Along with other derogatory info that doesn't compute with the narrative.

Last night mickey made a post with about 9 or 10 different things that some of us have "claimed" regarding Singer. You know the things like, the eviction/ legal judgements against for not paying rent, the living in his daughters driveway stealing electricity. The food stamp fraud allegation. living in a mobile home park in the armpit of Nevada, Pahrump.

Mickey seemed to think or be saying that all that stuff, some of which he repeatedly said was made up. It wasn't! It is all.... every one of those things on Singers public record that some of us looked up.

Now I'll be honest. I am not particularly proud that I did go look those things up. In light of recent developments where someone has stalled me and right to the door of my building last summer, I am seeing that I looked that up in a different light. There is no excuse for doing that even provoked as Singer is so good at. So I am not proud that I did that and now have that information, but if you are going to try to say that all of those things are made up, I can assure you they are not.

The food stamp thing has mysteriously disappeared from his record. If I had to guess, because the time frame is up on his disqualification from the program, he was able to get someone to remove that. Everything else mentioned is on there. Now I don't know if Singer lives in the RV parked in the driveway of a house registered to his daughter or if he lives in the house. So yeah, the living in the RV stealing electricity and wifi was a guess and meant to be humorous, as was the "cousin eddie" references.

Should I know all these things. Probably not. And I regret looking into them. But what is done is done and the fact is just like MaxPen said, these facts just aren't consistent with Singers story.

kew, show me proof that I've ever been on welfare or got food stamps in my life. Go ahead--I give permission to copy and paste.Any and all of it. Then show me proof of where I stalked you. Do you know how dumb all of that sounds? And why would I EVER want to put myself at risk of coming in contact with someone who could give me aids? Just doesn't happen with people like me.

You're so jealous that your life is not even worth honorable mention next to mine that you have this insatiable need to toss around all your lies until you convince yourself they may be true.

Wise up.

[mcap]

Mickey finding ways to stick up for Rob is starting to start almost exactly like Pelosi finding ways to stick up for Biden. Sad, just plain sad.

[kewlJ]

kew, show me proof that I've ever been on welfare or got food stamps in my life. Go ahead--I give permission to copy and paste.Any and all of it. Then show me proof of where I stalked you. Do you know how dumb all of that sounds? And why would I EVER want to put myself at risk of coming in contact with someone who could give me aids? Just doesn't happen with people like me.

Wise up.

Wise up? I am wise to you....that's the whole problem (for you).

I did not say you stalked me Rob. I was referring to someone else, a former member of this forum who showed up at my building and tried to get past security last summer. I don't think I was unclear but if you misunderstood, that is fine. That happens.

It is funny you just lazar focused on the food stamp issue of all the things. I just stated that you somehow, I have no idea how it works but some how had been able to have gotten that removed. And you immediately go right there. Do you realize that essentially confirms.

You can be as nasty and hateful a person as you want. It just doesn't change anything. these facts remain:

1.) you desperately wanted and tried to be an advantage player.
2.) you were obsessed with "besting" Dancer.
3.) you failed with #1 and #2.
4.) for 20 years you have come up with unrealistic, math defying, for all intensive purposes, "impossible claims", trying to elevate yourself above Dancer.
5.) And now you spend all your time attacking, in as nasty a manner as possible anyone who dares point out that your claims are all but impossible.
6.) 20 years! Unable to "best" Dancer you have spent 20 years in a twilight zone alternate reality pretending to. I'll say it again. Dancer made you his bitch!

[Rob.Singer]

Kew, instead of all the deflecting & diversion, where's any of the proof---about your assertions about YOU and me??

And be fully assured....if it were I who wanted to come over to your little place off the Strip that you had to move into because you couldn't afford to buy sugar daddy's house, it would absolutely happen.

[mickeycrimm]

Maybe its time to show some proof for a change. That's what everyone is clamoring for.

Rob claimed to make 2.8 million on the double up bug. He should put up the proof.

I claimed never having a losing year in 24 years of gambling. I should put up the proof.

Redietz claims to having been a professional sports handicapper for 40 years. Where is his proof.

Kj says he makes an average of 80K per year playing blackjack. Show us the proof.

JBJB claims to beat blackjack by hole carding. Where's the proof?

SO LET'S ALL GET BUSY AND PUT UP THE PROOF. We'll show Singer, by golly. It's easy to put up proof, right guys. You all have it, right, the proof? KJ? Redietz? You guys got proof, right? Let's put the proof up just to show Singer how it's done. Who wants to go first?

No No No, mickey. No one is required to prove anything regarding something that is realistic, that the math works. But when you elevate your claims to something that completely defies math and logic or elevate to a claim like the double up that would be a huge story in the community, yeah, you should have something to back it up.

I'll give ya a couple examples:

Someone comes on and says "hey I ran around the block". Who needs proof of that? nothing unusual or defying anything, But someone comes on and says I ran around the block in 2.6 seconds? yeah you better be able to show something superman.

How about this one. Someone comes on and says I stole a candybar last night at CVS. I don't think anyone is asking for proof. But someone comes on and says I stole 10 million (or 2.8 million) from an armed Brink truck last night, requesting proof isn't unreasonable.

let's take it to gambling. Someone comes on and says I won such and such this year playing VP at an advantage, a 101% return. No one questions that. But someone saying I won millions or hundreds of thousand playing a 98% return game using "special plays and rabbits feet" better be able to prove how he defied the math.

And someone making an extraordinary claim of such as the double up bug, a claim that would be legendary in the community, is expected to show some proof. Nothing unreasonable about this expectation.

KJ, get off your high fucking horse. Nobody has to prove anything around here. You've written long posts about not having to prove anything. Then after you do that you demand proof from someone. Like there is some sort of exception to the rule. There isn't.

Put up the proof you made 80K a year for what 16 years. Put up the proof asshole or shut up about others having to prove anything.

[mickeycrimm]

Maybe its time to show some proof for a change. That's what everyone is clamoring for.

Rob claimed to make 2.8 million on the double up bug. He should put up the proof.

I claimed never having a losing year in 24 years of gambling. I should put up the proof.

Redietz claims to having been a professional sports handicapper for 40 years. Where is his proof.

Kj says he makes an average of 80K per year playing blackjack. Show us the proof.

JBJB claims to beat blackjack by hole carding. Where's the proof?

SO LET'S ALL GET BUSY AND PUT UP THE PROOF. We'll show Singer, by golly. It's easy to put up proof, right guys. You all have it, right, the proof? KJ? Redietz? You guys got proof, right? Let's put the proof up just to show Singer how it's done. Who wants to go first?

You have to admit all but one of those stories are highly believable.
Especially when background checks of our resident public multi-millionaire show no assets of any significance besides a few beat vehicles registered in his name. Along with other derogatory info that doesn't compute with the narrative.

I get to put together another package? Great!! Where am I sending it? Mickey, what's your address?

Um, mickey, you helped me post my "Tipsters or Gypsters?" records in the Retro Road Trip thread. You want to repost them for me? I appreciated your reorienting them for me. I am bad with this online posting stuff. And those futures tickets...oh yeah, they were my late cousin's, E.R. Dietz. Well, we could post them anyway. And Alan has a package somewhere with some cool stuff in it.

The thing about sports handicapping. Your record is pretty much public. Everybody knows when you've had a bang-up season or sucked to hell.

By the way, E.R. Dietz will be coming back from the dead soon, sort of a tribute to MDawg. Probably at WoV. I'll give you a heads up. He needs to learn to post photos. It'll be a humor thread.

FYI, back when mickey was helping me prove my personal history, E.R. Dietz (my late cousin) posted some very impressive futures tickets. Somebody should probably look those up. The thing about E.R. -- he always made a killing in sports, but then he'd find ways to blow it. Since he's coming back from the dead, he'll be explaining this stuff at WoV. He's kind of the Super Dave of sports betting.

I'll be glad to post up here any proof you send me via internet. I don't give my address to anyone. Now besides records of win/losses which I figure you want to send, we will need proof of monetary win. After all, a professional makes money. Anyone can make picks without betting. The proof is in the money you made. Tax returns must specifically show gambling income but will not be conclusive that you made the money betting sports. You will also need to prove that it was your main source of income.

[The Boz]

kew, show me proof that I've ever been on welfare or got food stamps in my life. Go ahead--I give permission to copy and paste.Any and all of it. Then show me proof of where I stalked you. Do you know how dumb all of that sounds? And why would I EVER want to put myself at risk of coming in contact with someone who could give me aids? Just doesn't happen with people like me.

Wise up.

Wise up? I am wise to you....that's the whole problem (for you).

I did not say you stalked me Rob. I was referring to someone else, a former member of this forum who showed up at my building and tried to get past security last summer. I don't think I was unclear but if you misunderstood, that is fine. That happens.

It is funny you just lazar focused on the food stamp issue of all the things. I just stated that you somehow, I have no idea how it works but some how had been able to have gotten that removed. And you immediately go right there. Do you realize that essentially confirms.

You can be as nasty and hateful a person as you want. It just doesn't change anything. these facts remain:

1.) you desperately wanted and tried to be an advantage player.
2.) you were obsessed with "besting" Dancer.
3.) you failed with #1 and #2.
4.) for 20 years you have come up with unrealistic, math defying, for all intensive purposes, "impossible claims", trying to elevate yourself above Dancer.
5.) And now you spend all your time attacking, in as nasty a manner as possible anyone who dares point out that your claims are all but impossible.
6.) 20 years! Unable to "best" Dancer you have spent 20 years in a twilight zone alternate reality pretending to. I'll say it again. Dancer made you his bitch!

While Rob is not as “famous” as Dancer, I wonder if he has more financial assets than a Dancer? It’s usually a good measure of success for most. Dancer doesn’t exactly have the best reputation and when you want to bring up Conman, who has tried to sell more stuff over the years? Who puts on “training” classes at a casino? A casino allowing people to come and beat them based on the teachings of the trainer.

You are obsessed with this KJ, again I ask who is Singer scamming or hurting?

You personally probably did more damage to ZenKing with your stories than Singer ever did to anyone. And as has been noted many times over and over again at WoV, anyone who wanted to believe a negative system will win long term was dreaming.

[dannyj]

I also want to address something Dan Druff said. I have frequently called for Dan to ban Singer. But not because he is, intentionally misleading other players and members. I am fine with people in the community self-policing that as I do (something I wasn't allowed to do at Norms BJ forum). I think AP's and people that know the math have not only a right but a responsibility to call out someone intentionally misleading other players. So I am fine with being among that group that will constantly challenge such a person.

I am also fine with Rob or the guy on the other forum defending their position, scam or con as it may be. This is where it becomes the responsibility of players to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. But personal attacks of someone, their race, religion gender, sexual orientation and attacks on family members, and especially deceased family members is not defending you position. If THAT is all you got, then you pretty much have been exposed.

Now yes, I am aware that sadly many here seem to enjoy all the 3rd grade name calling. I find that sad. I mean is this a forum about and related to gambling /casinos /advantage play or is this recess at the elementary school with all the bullying that went with that?

So yes I have called on and will continue to call on Dan ban someone who's only purpose here is to degrade others.

Well ok Captain Avenger. You have the right and want to take the responsibility to call out someone intentionally misleading other players. I think you accomplished that in like your first 1000 posts. You keep beating that dead mule and wonder why it devolves into the 3rd grade name calling. Who cares if Rob's system works or not, or if or how long he was on the double up bug. You seem to be on some kind of personal quest to find your truth. You said you thought he's just building himself up to be something that he is not. That's not hurting anyone. You weighed in on the math. You did your social justice work, now people can make up their own minds.