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    The silence has been deafening, but reliable sources tell us THE BIG HURT IS COMING.


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    Tough to Fear Men who can only kill the body.
    One should Fear God who can put your soul in HELL!

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    Confused as to what a thread about the arrival of Frank Thomas means. As for songs, Johnny Cash in a knockout.

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    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    Confused as to what a thread about the arrival of Frank Thomas means. As for songs, Johnny Cash in a knockout.
    Just another Nugenix Commercial.
    Expect Mendlebread to post something about Andy Van Slyke and Doug Flutie very soon.

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    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    Confused as to what a thread about the arrival of Frank Thomas means. As for songs, Johnny Cash in a knockout.
    just a guess, I think it has something to do with Mike's interview with Rob singer. I don't think there's going to be much regarding all of that.

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    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    Confused as to what a thread about the arrival of Frank Thomas means. As for songs, Johnny Cash in a knockout.
    just a guess, I think it has something to do with Mike's interview with Rob singer. I don't think there's going to be much regarding all of that.
    As usual Alan is trying to cook up controversy and a story of some kind.

    Shack and I did some test work on the video conferencing yesterday and tomorrow Heather will hopefully help iron out a few bugs. We did have a talk about what we'll be discussing. It had nothing to do with "hurt" and everything to do with his interest.Of course Alan will continue to shame himself over this with his made-up "I should have asked for proof so I'm a bad journalist" angle. All along all he was interested in was making money off of his reporting about me on his website. His meltdown came immediately after I berated him for being him. And why he keeps humiliating himself with his Andrew nonsense can only be attributed to a lifetime of self-caused problems. Other than that it sadly makes no sense.

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    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It will happen by the 19th. That's our hard date for departing in the RV with our grandkids.

    Bring on the hurt!

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    So Heather did a great job and got all the bugs worked out of the video-conferencing software. Mike decided to do the interview today as soon as he saw everything was working fine on both ends. I wasn't prepared for that as I just came in from a motorcycle ride but we did it anyway. It's about a half hour in length.

    I expect there'll be the usual drama and criticism whenever I show up: my nose is big, I look stupid, I sound dumb, etc. etc. But we both agree it was a fantastic interview.

    Bring on the hurt!

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    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    So Heather did a great job and got all the bugs worked out of the video-conferencing software. Mike decided to do the interview today as soon as he saw everything was working fine on both ends. I wasn't prepared for that as I just came in from a motorcycle ride but we did it anyway. It's about a half hour in length.

    I expect there'll be the usual drama and criticism whenever I show up: my nose is big, I look stupid, I sound dumb, etc. etc. But we both agree it was a fantastic interview.

    Bring on the hurt!
    It’s up....
    Keep your friends close, keep your drinks closer...

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    I am in shock that the forum has not responded to this interview. I deleted my initial comments. One of the major driving threads/stories has not delivered the explosive response I expected. I guess that is why I am in the bleachers.

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    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    I am in shock that the forum has not responded to this interview.
    Assuming that the Wiz has played VP, I was surprised about how little Shack knew about the Double-Up feature.

    He said that he has never played the Double-Up on a hand of VP.

    My understanding is that the DU is among the best bets offered by the casino...but the Wizard of Odds has never bothered to analyze it?
    Last edited by coach belly; 05-11-2020 at 08:29 PM.

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    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    So Heather did a great job and got all the bugs worked out of the video-conferencing software. Mike decided to do the interview today as soon as he saw everything was working fine on both ends. I wasn't prepared for that as I just came in from a motorcycle ride but we did it anyway. It's about a half hour in length.

    I expect there'll be the usual drama and criticism whenever I show up: my nose is big, I look stupid, I sound dumb, etc. etc. But we both agree it was a fantastic interview.

    Bring on the hurt!
    Sigh.

    Rob. I know you'll be reading. Mike actually invited me to be there while he interviewed you.
    I didn't think there was enough investigation done prior to this interview.

    Mike played softball with you, I would have never allowed that, I probably would have pulled the microphone away from Mike.

    One of many questions would have been.... if you lied about all that other stuff in the past keeping up that ruse for years, why should anyone believe anything you say now?

    You point blank said on the other Forum (not an exact quote) What Nestor and Kane did was illegal and I believe you said something about how they should have went to jail. Why would you say something like that in the first place? Something like that could have certainly been used against you in a court of law, basically you admitted you thought it was illegal, or at least that it could be illegal. You talk about trying to throw people off the trail, the best way to throw people off the trail is to just to keep quiet, be normal, and talk about normal things. Yet, you went out of your way to be deceptive and cantankerous to everyone on the forums for like 9 years in order to throw us off the trail, vent your anxiety, cover your ass or however you want to put it. Yes, I know Rob can't respond here, I will copy and paste it to another forum.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 05-11-2020 at 08:14 PM.

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    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    I am in shock that the forum has not responded to this interview.
    What is there really to say? Anyone that has spent any time on this forum didn't hear anything they hadn't heard before. And there was no proof or supporting evidence to support Rob's claim. We are right where we have been for over a year. I can't imagine anyone's mind was changed from whatever they thought going in, based on the last 16 months of discussion (and no proof).

    I was disappointed in Mike. He asked for documents like tax forms and casino documents and Rob gave the excuse that he always does that he threw all that away. Then Mike brought up the RV and this is relevant because Rob has stated he used the money from the DU to purchase a 1.5 million dollar RV. I guess Mike didn't feel comfortable asking for proof of that. I think it is fair because Rob has volunteered that is where the money came from. But it didn't happen.

    From Rob's standpoint he did fine. He was given yet again a platform to restate his claim yet again, offering nothing to support it. That is what he wanted and that is what Wizard provided him, so I guess good for Rob.

    I guess I misunderstood that Mike was going to offer his opinion as to the likelihood that this occurred as Rob claimed. Maybe he didn't feel comfortable doing that or maybe he is waiting for someone to come out and flat out ask him. I don't know. But without that, like I said all he did was provide Rob the platform to repeat his claim.

    But again, no minds were changed.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

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    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    I am in shock that the forum has not responded to this interview.
    Assuming that the Wiz has played VP, I was surprised about how little Shack new about the Double-Up feature.

    He said that he has never played the Double-Up on a hand of VP.

    My understanding is that the DU is among the best bets offered by the casino...but the Wizard of Odds has never bothered to analyze it?
    Why do you need to analyze a 50/50 proposition?

    Other than the length entertainment value (perhaps getting free drinks) and other certain circumstances, there is absolutely no reason to use the double up feature. If you're playing a positive advantage that requires a large number of hands you want to avoid it. You're somehow getting extra points for doubling up or something like that and of course you would use it.

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    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    I am in shock that the forum has not responded to this interview.
    What is there really to say? Anyone that has spent any time on this forum didn't hear anything they hadn't heard before. And there was no proof or supporting evidence to support Rob's claim. We are right where we have been for over a year. I can't imagine anyone's mind was changed from whatever they thought going in, based on the last 16 months of discussion (and no proof).

    I was disappointed in Mike. He asked for documents like tax forms and casino documents and Rob gave the excuse that he always does that he threw all that away. Then Mike brought up the RV and this is relevant because Rob has stated he used the money from the DU to purchase a 1.5 million dollar RV. I guess Mike didn't feel comfortable asking for proof of that. I think it is fair because Rob has volunteered that is where the money came from. But it didn't happen. I think the actual terminology I'm looking for when I say machines is chipset.

    From Rob's standpoint he did fine. He was given yet again a platform to restate his claim yet again, offering nothing to support it. That is what he wanted and that is what Wizard provided him, so I guess good for Rob.

    I guess I misunderstood that Mike was going to offer his opinion as to the likelihood that this occurred as Rob claimed. Maybe he didn't feel comfortable doing that or maybe he is waiting for someone to come out and flat out ask him. I don't know. But without that, like I said all he did was provide Rob the platform to repeat his claim.

    But again, no minds were changed.
    if you read one of my post and you listen to the interview. Rob claimed the double up bug was on multiple different versions of machines that all originally came out in different years. It will be easy to prove if that's the case. They would have had to send software updates to practically every machine in the casinos. However if this is the case it will certainly add to Rob story I don't know anybody that's giving me that information. I assumed it was only on one version of machines. S*** I've been wasting my time and only looking at one version of the machines. When I talked to Rob I swear I asked him exactly what versions of the machines and he described the ones I was thinking of.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 05-11-2020 at 08:45 PM.

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    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    So Heather did a great job and got all the bugs worked out of the video-conferencing software. Mike decided to do the interview today as soon as he saw everything was working fine on both ends. I wasn't prepared for that as I just came in from a motorcycle ride but we did it anyway. It's about a half hour in length.

    I expect there'll be the usual drama and criticism whenever I show up: my nose is big, I look stupid, I sound dumb, etc. etc. But we both agree it was a fantastic interview.

    Bring on the hurt!
    Sigh.

    Rob. I know you'll be reading. Mike actually invited me to be there while he interviewed you.
    I didn't think there was enough investigation done prior to this interview.

    Mike played softball with you, I would have never allowed that, I probably would have pulled the microphone away from Mike.

    One of many questions would have been.... if you lied about all that other stuff in the past keeping up that ruse for years, why should anyone believe anything you say now?

    You point blank said on the other Forum (not an exact quote) What Nestor and Kane did was illegal and I believe you said something about how they should have went to jail. Why would you say something like that in the first place? Something like that could have certainly been used against you in a court of law, basically you admitted you thought it was illegal, or at least that it could be illegal. You talk about trying to throw people off the trail, the best way to throw people off the trail is to just to keep quiet, be normal, and talk about normal things. Yet, you went out of your way to be deceptive and cantankerous to everyone on the forums for like 9 years in order to throw us off the trail, vent your anxiety, cover your ass or however you want to put it. Yes, I know Rob can't respond here, I will copy and paste it to another forum.
    axel: First, as I told Mike today, the reason I released this info to you was because after 15+ years of being totally silent on something of this magnitude, I HAD to let it out. I was a professional video poker player...it was necessary to tell someone--even a top critic. Secondary is whether anyone would believe me or not. The cover-up lying for all the years gave me an untrusting reputation, yes. But it all worked. Maybe not the best approach. But again, being believed or not on the DU bug has no effect on what we're doing tomorrow.

    I also see where Alan and all his AndrewG wisdom is still hung up on the RV. Fact is, if we cashed out everything we have in retirement funds I could buy two of those stupid things, with money from our careers. He couldn't see that of course because he pours all his into alimony payments and the poker machines.

    Regarding why I said what Kane/Nestor did was illegal: first, silence is not golden in every scenario. These guys clearly did something I still believe was illegal--using other people's pre-existing vp winners to collect many of their jackpots on. I never did and would never do that. THAT'S the main reason for what I said on this forum.

    PS: go back and read the Wired article. I just told Mike one of the few things they got right is how the bug flowed freely in at least 99 released versions of IGT GameKings between 2002-mid 2009. If I recall, it said the bug was like a cockroach, infecting every version of software released until caught. That should help.

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    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    if you read one of my post and you listen to the interview. Rob claimed the double up bug was on multiple different versions of machines that all originally came out in different years. It will be easy to prove if that's the case. They would have had to send software updates to practically every machine in the casinos. However if this is the case it will certainly add to Rob story I don't know anybody that's giving me that information. I assumed it was only on one version of machines. S*** I've been wasting my time and only looking at one version of the machines. When I talked to Rob I swear I asked him exactly what versions of the machines and he described the ones I was thinking of.
    I did read that but that is beyond my knowledge. I just don't have any idea about that so I didn't comment. If you can look into that, you should.

    There is a minor point that made absolutely no sense to me that I will mention. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other, but just doesn't fit.

    Rob said he took all winnings from the DU in cash and stashed it in a safe. He didn't give an explanation for this, but I assumed it was to not draw attention, while this whole thing, that he says he was so stressed out about blew over. I mean he was waiting 10 years for the statue of limitations to expire. So then what does he do, a year later spends 1.5 million of that cash on an RV (or so he says). That is not consistent with laying low and not drawing attention. BUT, I am sure he has a story for that. No documentation that he is willing to show, but I am sure a story.

    I also have recently come to believe the comments Rob made on this very forum somewhere around 2012, when discussion of Kane/nestor came up are very telling. Rob said what they did was illegal and they should go to jail. That simply is not something someone that made the play himself would say. And Rob's explanation that he was trying to throw people off the trail makes no sense. Who was he throwing off the trail? The members of this forum?

    Had he been arrested for this as he says he feared at the time, that statement would have basically done him in. So he is either very, very stupid or lying and I don't think Rob is stupid. But this continues to be a he said (without any supporting evidence), so I guess everyone needs to decide that for themselves.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

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    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    if you read one of my post and you listen to the interview. Rob claimed the double up bug was on multiple different versions of machines that all originally came out in different years. It will be easy to prove if that's the case. They would have had to send software updates to practically every machine in the casinos. However if this is the case it will certainly add to Rob story I don't know anybody that's giving me that information. I assumed it was only on one version of machines. S*** I've been wasting my time and only looking at one version of the machines. When I talked to Rob I swear I asked him exactly what versions of the machines and he described the ones I was thinking of.
    I did read that but that is beyond my knowledge. I just don't have any idea about that so I didn't comment. If you can look into that, you should.

    There is a minor point that made absolutely no sense to me that I will mention. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other, but just doesn't fit.

    Rob said he took all winnings from the DU in cash and stashed it in a safe. He didn't give an explanation for this, but I assumed it was to not draw attention, while this whole thing, that he says he was so stressed out about blew over. I mean he was waiting 10 years for the statue of limitations to expire. So then what does he do, a year later spends 1.5 million of that cash on an RV (or so he says). That is not consistent with laying low and not drawing attention. BUT, I am sure he has a story for that. No documentation that he is willing to show, but I am sure a story.

    I also have recently come to believe the comments Rob made on this very forum somewhere around 2012, when discussion of Kane/nestor came up are very telling. Rob said what they did was illegal and they should go to jail. That simply is not something someone that made the play himself would say. And Rob's explanation that he was trying to throw people off the trail makes no sense. Who was he throwing off the trail? The members of this forum?

    Had he been arrested for this as he says he feared at the time, that statement would have basically done him in. So he is either very, very stupid or lying and I don't think Rob is stupid. But this continues to be a he said (without any supporting evidence), so I guess everyone needs to decide that for themselves.
    kew, we purchased the 2011 Newell in early 2013. How I handled that much cash is probably different than the next guy, who handles it different etc. But now maybe some people can see where I came up with the $640,000 escrow on the Fezzik challenge. I lied in my Gaming Today article, saying I withdrew it from my retirement account.

    Read what I responded to axel about why I said Kane and Nestor should have been arrested. I was pissed when I heard they did that, which got them caught and rightfully so.

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    Lookin good Rob. Didn’t look a day over 97.

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