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  1. #61
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    The only interesting post here is Axel's catch of Rob saying his betting system would have lost over time. Does this mean from AP style of playing or his actual play with win goal/loss limit style of play? I believe this to be an answer of supreme importance.

    Slingshot, That is nothing new. Every AP and math guy already knew this long go. THAT is exactly why we find Rob's claims so objectionable. They defy math and logic.

    I will go as far to say, YOU, one of the few that supports him and his crap already knew this. When Rob first revealed this DU bug, YOU were offended that his changing story meant that the play you were supporting was phony. You even used some strong terminology along the lines that you had been "lied to". Then as time went on, inexplicably you seemed to fall back in line again.

    There is an old saying "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". Well I don't think he is any longer "fooling you", but for some reason, you are having a real hard time seeing the truth vs what you want (or wanted) to believe.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  2. #62
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    but for some reason, you are having a real hard time seeing the truth vs what you want (or wanted) to believe.
    My bad. I used the wrong word there. Not seeing the truth, accepting the truth. Your comments make it clear that you are seeing the truth.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  3. #63
    I did like the Fox News Alert chime during the interview. I’m going to assume that was on Rob’s end, I don’t see the Wizard getting them.

  4. #64
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    I did like the Fox News Alert chime during the interview. I’m going to assume that was on Rob’s end, I don’t see the Wizard getting them.
    Yes it was!

    Why was it dark in the room I was in? Mike asked me to use a computer that had a camera. We have 2 laptops and the desktop I was at for this, and none have a camera. So I ordered one from Amazon overnight and my 14-yr. old grandson installed it in minutes. I wanted it below the screen. When Mike connected I noticed right behind my head was a ceiling fan with three 150 watt white led bulbs, which was blinding to anybody watching. So I turned it off.

    The "tight around the neck" shirt is a NE Patriots shirt (I'm now a Tampa Bay fan) I use while riding because it has long sleeves. Ride in this heat/sun and you'll understand.

    Kew, check the housing market over here. It's been going up steadily, making it impossible for anyone taking out an equity loan to be anywhere near "underwater". Instead of lying think how stupid you appear when you say stuff like this, even to sabre.

  5. #65
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Rob, I Tried quoting you but I think I timed out because I got a phone call.

    You can probably figure out what post I was quoting, I'm too lazy to go look it up at this point.

    You describe how it worked on all the various different types of machines. The one you mostly describe was the one that said "don't ask me again"

    What If it's proven that it wasn't even possible on anything but one chipset/type of machine what would you say to that? Again, if it's only available on one chipset if I would have to come to the conclusion but you're not telling the truth. There's no reason to talk about the other double up's on machines that it doesn't pertain to. And again, if it was available on those other machines/ chipsets that you described, I would have to say that greatly adds credibility to your story.

    Whatever the case, I voiced my Strong opinion and said it was a terrible idea for Mike do this interview, especially without more investigation on his part and not knowing exactly how it works. How could he possibly challenge you on anything? He didn't even bring up the whole Alan Mendelson thing. The only thing that this accomplished as far as the double up bug goes was start more debate after the interview(just kind of f***** up anyways, since you can't even post on that forum.) I don't like that, because everything is now tainted. Going forward you now you have the ability to think about everything and come up with an answer from behind the computer. Truthful or not, I don't like that because it always leaves room for people to believe you had time to think about your answer and concoct something or do further research before you answer. The interview went nowhere and it was thoroughly disappointing on most aspects, but a few. Mike brought up a few things that he needed to push more and challenge your answers.

    The one thing I did find very interesting is the fact that you admitted that had you kept playing your VP betting system, you probably would have lost. I think that's the most substantial thing we got out of the interview. You should certainly feel bad if anybody did lose money trying to use your system and if they can prove that, you should repay them their money. I don't know how one could prove that. I'm wondering if someone could successfully sue you over that? How many people did purchase your books?

    If we find out the double up bug feature was only available on one Chip set I would have to conclude that you're not telling the truth. Someone I know that works in the industry, they said to their knowledge it was only available on one chipset. Whenever someone says "to their knowledge" it ends up leaving doubt. However, someone knows the answer to this. I'm sure there are plenty of people that have those machines at their house that were purchased prior to the update. There's someone on Wizard of Vegas that claims to have one of these machines. I asked him to send me a video of the double which process. I can't remember exactly what he said I just know it was a let-down that seems like it was more interested I'm trying to hit a royal * shrug shoulders.

    Hey, how come we never got a goddamn tour of that RV?
    I certainly hope that isn't your computer room, it looks thoroughly depressing.


    I'm a bit annoyed that at the how this was all fast tracked without any real perpetration.
    axel, just come out and say it--you're going to keep on trying to find something until you even in the slightest think you have, which you will then be able to proclaim "he's been lying!" It's the same thing kew does with his obsession over my personal life.

    Someone "in the business" is hardly qualified to have been tuned into all the numerous software updates to new and old equipment alike, unless they have the internal spec sheets and memos to support the assertion. Nobody, even folks like your friend, knows the things I know about this play, which is why mickey, when skeptical, put out a reward to anybody who told me anything about how this play works.

    Further, the two low limit machines I found that were still infected at Az. Indian casinos 3-1/2 years ago both had the double up button at the bottom along with the "don't ask again" question. So that would be my response.

    It sounds like you don't want a follow-up interview? Either way is fine. I'll do it because I said I would, but if you don't see the point in it then that's OK too.

    Edit: my family just informed me that since I finished what I had to do, I'm to get the rig ready for a departure date tomorrow. That'll give several of you plenty of time to make more things up about me for at least 3 weeks until we get up around Tahoe. And I may not even bother visiting back at that time. I had my say. Believe it....or not.

    Axel, let me know via pm if and when you'd like the next interview to occur. Bring your guy who's in the business. I assume he's a tech? We'll talk software, hardware, etc.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 05-12-2020 at 11:38 AM.

  6. #66
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    The only interesting post here is Axel's catch of Rob saying his betting system would have lost over time. Does this mean from AP style of playing or his actual play with win goal/loss limit style of play? I believe this to be an answer of supreme importance.

    Slingshot, That is nothing new. Every AP and math guy already knew this long go. THAT is exactly why we find Rob's claims so objectionable. They defy math and logic.

    I will go as far to say, YOU, one of the few that supports him and his crap already knew this. When Rob first revealed this DU bug, YOU were offended that his changing story meant that the play you were supporting was phony. You even used some strong terminology along the lines that you had been "lied to". Then as time went on, inexplicably you seemed to fall back in line again.

    There is an old saying "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". Well I don't think he is any longer "fooling you", but for some reason, you are having a real hard time seeing the truth vs what you want (or wanted) to believe.
    The "betrayal" was centered around the DUB play. I still like and play his artt strategy and it's cleverness.

  7. #67
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It sounds like you don't want a follow-up interview?
    There is zero chance that Axel will allow a video of himself interviewing you to be shared on any of these forums without his personage hidden, and his voice distorted.

    He never explained why he declined Mike's invitation in the first place...when he would have ripped the mic away from the Wiz and go after you with really tough questions.

    If these high-profile doubters want first-hand proof of your RV, why not invite them to meet you somewhere en route to your next destination for a personal tour?
    Last edited by coach belly; 05-12-2020 at 11:42 AM.

  8. #68
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It sounds like you don't want a follow-up interview?
    There is zero chance that Axel will allow a video of himself interviewing you to be shared on any of these forums without his personage hidden, and his voice distorted.

    If these high-profile doubters want first-hand proof of your RV, why not invite them to meet you somewhere en route to your next destination for a personal tour?
    Perfect idea. Thank you, coach.

  9. #69
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Perfect idea.
    Perfect for you?

  10. #70
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It sounds like you don't want a follow-up interview?
    There is zero chance that Axel will allow a video of himself interviewing you to be shared on any of these forums without his personage hidden, and his voice distorted.

    He never explained why he declined Mike's invitation in the first place...when he would have ripped the mic away from the Wiz and go after you with really tough questions.

    If these high-profile doubters want first-hand proof of your RV, why not invite them to meet you somewhere en route to your next destination for a personal tour?
    I didn't think about axel's anonymity. But if we do an interview then we do it face-to-face. No voice distortions/no facial hiding.

    My next destination is S. Dakota, then Minnesota. We're going thru Colorado, where we will spend a few days at an RV park near Boulder. Anybody who wants to meet us there send me an email. But you will not be allowed near my wife or grandchildren. I'll have a Glock 29 10mm and a backup 380 LCP II to support that.

  11. #71
    BTW axel, if we have an interview then I need to know a little more about what you're saying. I'm not at all clear on what your questioning. I also would need to talk to your inside guy to see if and what he knows about whatever you're looking for. I'm not going to be here after this, so please keep those things in mind for any interview.

  12. #72
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    We're going thru Colorado, where we will spend a few days at an RV park near Boulder. Anybody who wants to meet us there send me an email.
    The casinos will be closed for a few more days.

    Instead of spending over 12 hours per day writing about you on the forums, they should be able to take a break from posting to drive to Boulder and straighten this out once and for all.

  13. #73
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Rob, I Tried quoting you but I think I timed out because I got a phone call.

    You can probably figure out what post I was quoting, I'm too lazy to go look it up at this point.

    You describe how it worked on all the various different types of machines. The one you mostly describe was the one that said "don't ask me again"

    What If it's proven that it wasn't even possible on anything but one chipset/type of machine what would you say to that? Again, if it's only available on one chipset if I would have to come to the conclusion but you're not telling the truth. There's no reason to talk about the other double up's on machines that it doesn't pertain to. And again, if it was available on those other machines/ chipsets that you described, I would have to say that greatly adds credibility to your story.

    Whatever the case, I voiced my Strong opinion and said it was a terrible idea for Mike do this interview, especially without more investigation on his part and not knowing exactly how it works. How could he possibly challenge you on anything? He didn't even bring up the whole Alan Mendelson thing. The only thing that this accomplished as far as the double up bug goes was start more debate after the interview(just kind of f***** up anyways, since you can't even post on that forum.) I don't like that, because everything is now tainted. Going forward you now you have the ability to think about everything and come up with an answer from behind the computer. Truthful or not, I don't like that because it always leaves room for people to believe you had time to think about your answer and concoct something or do further research before you answer. The interview went nowhere and it was thoroughly disappointing on most aspects, but a few. Mike brought up a few things that he needed to push more and challenge your answers.

    The one thing I did find very interesting is the fact that you admitted that had you kept playing your VP betting system, you probably would have lost. I think that's the most substantial thing we got out of the interview. You should certainly feel bad if anybody did lose money trying to use your system and if they can prove that, you should repay them their money. I don't know how one could prove that. I'm wondering if someone could successfully sue you over that? How many people did purchase your books?

    If we find out the double up bug feature was only available on one Chip set I would have to conclude that you're not telling the truth. Someone I know that works in the industry, they said to their knowledge it was only available on one chipset. Whenever someone says "to their knowledge" it ends up leaving doubt. However, someone knows the answer to this. I'm sure there are plenty of people that have those machines at their house that were purchased prior to the update. There's someone on Wizard of Vegas that claims to have one of these machines. I asked him to send me a video of the double which process. I can't remember exactly what he said I just know it was a let-down that seems like it was more interested I'm trying to hit a royal * shrug shoulders.

    Hey, how come we never got a goddamn tour of that RV?
    I certainly hope that isn't your computer room, it looks thoroughly depressing.


    I'm a bit annoyed that at the how this was all fast tracked without any real perpetration.
    axel, just come out and say it--you're going to keep on trying to find something until you even in the slightest think you have, which you will then be able to proclaim "he's been lying!" It's the same thing kew does with his obsession over my personal life.

    Someone "in the business" is hardly qualified to have been tuned into all the numerous software updates to new and old equipment alike, unless they have the internal spec sheets and memos to support the assertion. Nobody, even folks like your friend, knows the things I know about this play, which is why mickey, when skeptical, put out a reward to anybody who told me anything about how this play works.

    Further, the two low limit machines I found that were still infected at Az. Indian casinos 3-1/2 years ago both had the double up button at the bottom along with the "don't ask again" question. So that would be my response.

    It sounds like you don't want a follow-up interview? Either way is fine. I'll do it because I said I would, but if you don't see the point in it then that's OK too.

    Edit: my family just informed me that since I finished what I had to do, I'm to get the rig ready for a departure date tomorrow. That'll give several of you plenty of time to make more things up about me for at least 3 weeks until we get up around Tahoe. And I may not even bother visiting back at that time. I had my say. Believe it....or not.

    Axel, let me know via pm if and when you'd like the next interview to occur. Bring your guy who's in the business. I assume he's a tech? We'll talk software, hardware, etc.
    I just want some compelling evidence either way. At least something that tips the scales. To be honest, I want to see the good in everyone and I think it would be great to get some evidence you DID play the double up bug. Yes, I would push much harder than Mike and be more prepared. Don't you agree he should have at least known more about the machines in question? "I don't think I even used the double up" Certainly isn't someone who should be asking you questions.

    I would love to do a follow up, but there's no rush. Whatever the case, overall I think this is all positive thing.

  14. #74
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It sounds like you don't want a follow-up interview?
    There is zero chance that Axel will allow a video of himself interviewing you to be shared on any of these forums without his personage hidden, and his voice distorted.

    He never explained why he declined Mike's invitation in the first place...when he would have ripped the mic away from the Wiz and go after you with really tough questions.

    If these high-profile doubters want first-hand proof of your RV, why not invite them to meet you somewhere en route to your next destination for a personal tour?
    You are correct, I will not allow a video of my face to be posted publicly. You are incorrect, that I would want to distort my voice. I have zero issue with my voice being out there.

    There's zero reason anybody needs to see my face other than Rob or anyone directly involved. People do podcasts all the time, including the " popular" GWAE and nobody's face is shown. I wouldn't even ask that Rob face be shown if he didn't want that. I would be entirely up to him. It can all be done via voice only if that works.

    I did in fact explain why I didn't accept Mike's invitation. I will explain in more detail, the invite was for the most part last minute, at that point I didn't think there was enough research done to have a proper interview. I never played one of these machines so I don't know the exact sequence or exactly what machines it works on. I only know what I've been told, those people did not actually play the bug themselves, their job was to fix the bug. And when I hear things like" to my knowledge" that doesn't exactly give me enough confidence. I want to know for certain. I wanted to rip the mic out of Mike hand because he was playing softball and rushing through certain details that we need to know more about. When speaking with Mike, I don't even think he remembered that Rob wrote at least two books. There are many other things I think should have been explained and asked in more detail.

  15. #75
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It sounds like you don't want a follow-up interview?
    There is zero chance that Axel will allow a video of himself interviewing you to be shared on any of these forums without his personage hidden, and his voice distorted.

    He never explained why he declined Mike's invitation in the first place...when he would have ripped the mic away from the Wiz and go after you with really tough questions.

    If these high-profile doubters want first-hand proof of your RV, why not invite them to meet you somewhere en route to your next destination for a personal tour?
    I didn't think about axel's anonymity. But if we do an interview then we do it face-to-face. No voice distortions/no facial hiding.

    My next destination is S. Dakota, then Minnesota. We're going thru Colorado, where we will spend a few days at an RV park near Boulder. Anybody who wants to meet us there send me an email. But you will not be allowed near my wife or grandchildren. I'll have a Glock 29 10mm and a backup 380 LCP II to support that.
    I almost find that personally offensive. I would NEVER do anything to harm your family whatsoever, nor would I ever want any harm to come to them or you. I'm just interested in your story, again, I hope there's a way to tip the scales in your favor. I actually think it's pretty cool that you wrote for Gaming Today. I believe you mentioned that you worked in the Aerospace industry? I like to know more about that. I would never have a problem breaking bread with you. If told me something in confidence and asked me to keep it to myself, I would. There's plenty of times I put a counter but you bunk something somebody told me and private and even after they put my private stuff up I didn't expose what they have said to defend myself. I suppose under certain circumstances and I felt forced into it, I might very well do so. I'm sure I probably said something that someone mentioned to me p.m. that wasn't a big deal or there's a chance I accidentally sliped up.

  16. #76
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    When speaking with Mike, I don't even think he remembered that Rob wrote at least two books. There are many other things I think should have been explained and asked in more detail.
    Which brings us to an interesting point. According to Rob's timeline:

    1.) Rob attempted unsuccessfully, to play AP video poker for 6 years, 1994-2000 I believe.

    2.) Rob claims to have played his progressive betting, 'special plays' system from sometime in 2000 until sometime in 2004 when he discovered the DU bug.

    3.) Rob played the DU bug from sometime in 2004 to sometime in 2009.

    It is number 2 that I want to focus on. The listed publish date of Rob's book, The undeniable truth about video poker, is December 12, 2000. Assuming the writing of the book took place earlier that year, Rob was several months, into his first year of playing his system, that he now claims he played for 4 years, $375k. Several months into his first year and he writes a book?

    The timing is completely backwards. This is an agenda. And proof that you simply cannot believe a word out of this person's mouth.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  17. #77
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    The timing is completely backwards. This is an agenda. And proof that you simply cannot believe a word out of this person's mouth.
    How should the timing have been different?

    What is the agenda?

    How do these items establish proof?

  18. #78
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    The timing is completely backwards. This is an agenda. And proof that you simply cannot believe a word out of this person's mouth.
    How should the timing have been different?

    What is the agenda?

    How do these items establish proof?
    In March 2004, I quit my job and began supporting myself from blackjack play. Would it have been reasonable to you if in the summer or fall of 2004, I wrote a book entitled, Secrets of a professional blackjack player?

    Ever heard the term putting the cart before the horse? That is what the timing of Rob's book vs his now evolved claims amounts to.

    But I will say no more, except to say yesterdays interview while entertaining, did nothing towards getting to the bottom of anything.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  19. #79
    Others have commented on Rob's appearance. I am not going to do that. It is what it is. But I will comment on the appearance of the gentleman that was interviewing Rob. I initially wasn't going to because I knew it would ignite the homophobic crowd. But since others have now commented on Mike's appearance (including his boss), I will also. I personally am not a huge fan of facial hair. But Mike's new look (not sure how new it is, but it was new to me), looked good on him. Somehow made him look a little more distinguished.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  20. #80
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    In March 2004, I quit my job and began supporting myself from blackjack play. Would it have been reasonable to you if in the summer or fall of 2004, I wrote a book entitled, Secrets of a professional blackjack player?
    I haven't read Singer's book, so I can't comment on the content...have you read it?

    I'm not sure that Singer's "undeniable truth" includes the secrets of his (at that time) newly developed strategy.

    But, if you had played VP unsuccessfully for several years, then developed a strategy whereby you began to win consistently, I wouldn't find it unreasonable if you wrote a book about it after several months.

    The same could be said for you and blackjack, except that the winning strategy you employ wasn't developed by you.

    Now about the agenda...what was Singer's agenda, especially with respect to the timing of the book?

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