The Big Hurt Is Coming

[monet]

The two things I find most interesting about the entire Singer expose have to do with belief systems, commitment to prior opinions, definitions, and evidence:

1) Despite overwhelming immediate evidence, some of the same people who have consistently denigrated 18 yo's as asinine (and it is -- ed.) not only refused to accept the completely obvious with these photos, they sprinkled the thread with maybe's, perhaps's, and some kind of parallel universe possibility of an explanation. It should be as embarrassing as defending 18 consecutive yo's.

2) Dan Druff, who runs pokerfraudalert and devotes considerable time to the integrity of poker, bans "mickey's clit" for "trolling," but does NOT immediately ban somebody who clearly lied to every forum poster for hundreds if not thousands of posts and created completely fictional self-promoting narratives for a decade on the site. Not only did this person promote his own fictional narratives, he has lied hundreds if not thousands of times about legitimate gamblers on this site who know what they're doing. But this poster, as opposed to "mickey's clit," is not banned. So if it ain't poker, it ain't lying, I guess.

The two things I find very interesting these days are:

1) Slant Eyed People

2) Slurping Noodles

[mickeycrimm]

Mickey wants to feel sooooo important sooooo bad. The biggest thing he ever told me that i recall was to confirm Neptune Gold isn't a play. I mean, last time i saw an AP I followed him about to see if he knew anything I didn't. AP does his rounds, then sits at a quickhit. Like right over his shoulder I see a play 15 feet away from him. He knew about quickhits, but apparently not this other machine. It is a lot of fun finding machines.

Mickey is an impressive dude. Too bad he doesn't work to finish his book instead of spending his effort on here trying to convince everyone else they're wasting their time on here. I listened to the GWAE with him again. This guy did 10th grade math, never algebra then went to a library for gambling stuff and was lost at the math. Found a book that does poker odds longform and from there intuitively understands how the odds work.

I'm far more interested in hearing about the old plays and how they all evolved. That stuff will likely be lost in history in some weird way. Video games are preserved, but this stuff isn't. Who gives a fuck about his 'plays' .. it is his explaining of his methodology that was useful. Anyone with enough wits can network or find this stuff on their own.

Other than that MickeyCrimm seemed to be calling me a liar, I don't have a problem with him. If he was getting away with whatever he was doing, more power to him.


The other comment you make is valid too actually - better to spend time writing a book than giving all your content to forums. But, it's a lot easier to post a little here and there than sit down and complete an entire manuscript, so even if a person has the intent to write an entire story, it's easy to get sucked into just posting a bit here and there online. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas started as just a series of articles, ended up a book.

There is no money in selling a book in a niche market like gambling. The publishers make a little money, the writers don't make jackshit. About the only way to go is to self publish an ebook and sell it on Amazon. But my problem was always incentive. Writing takes time. Time is money. I would have had to give up time in the casinos, and the money I made in that time, to produce a book. I did research into what Dancer, Kneeland and others made on their books. It wasn't jackshit. So what was I supposed to think I would make? And now it doesn't matter because I'm living a pretty comfortable life in my old age. I have better things to do than write a book.

[monet]

There is no money in selling a book in a niche market like gambling. The publishers make a little money, the writers don't make jackshit. About the only way to go is to self publish an ebook and sell it on Amazon. But my problem was always incentive. Writing takes time. Time is money. I would have had to give up time in the casinos, and the money I made in that time, to produce a book. I did research into what Dancer, Kneeland and others made on their books. It wasn't jackshit. So what was I supposed to think I would make? And now it doesn't matter because I'm living a pretty comfortable life in my old age. I have better things to do than write a book.

The book is just a gateway to whatever else you are selling.
The system, software, cd, dvd, classes or whatever else is where the money is at I would think.
I don't think this is your style... just saying.

[mickeycrimm]

The two things I find most interesting about the entire Singer expose have to do with belief systems, commitment to prior opinions, definitions, and evidence:

1) Despite overwhelming immediate evidence, some of the same people who have consistently denigrated 18 yo's as asinine (and it is -- ed.) not only refused to accept the completely obvious with these photos, they sprinkled the thread with maybe's, perhaps's, and some kind of parallel universe possibility of an explanation. It should be as embarrassing as defending 18 consecutive yo's.

2) Dan Druff, who runs pokerfraudalert and devotes considerable time to the integrity of poker, bans "mickey's clit" for "trolling," but does NOT immediately ban somebody who clearly lied to every forum poster for hundreds if not thousands of posts and created completely fictional self-promoting narratives for a decade on the site. Not only did this person promote his own fictional narratives, he has lied hundreds if not thousands of times about legitimate gamblers on this site who know what they're doing. But this poster, as opposed to "mickey's clit," is not banned. So if it ain't poker, it ain't lying, I guess.

Druff has also allowed you to troll this site for years. Your whole reason for coming to this site was to troll Singer. A troll is gonna troll. But for some reason you think you get a pass. You don't. You're a troll like all the rest here.

[monet]

Druff has also allowed you to troll this site for years. Your whole reason for coming to this site was to troll Singer. A troll is gonna troll. But for some reason you think you get a pass. You don't. You're a troll like all the rest here.

lol... yeah good old Noodles says he doesn't post here anymore unless he is going to correct some egregious error.
Seems to be a lie as he continues to troll here almost on a daily basis.
I'd miss him if he left for good.
Good Old Noodles!

[wasilla]

What are you doing KJ? Singer posted those pictures as evidence of his claims a couple posts after AW posted the skeptical wizard video. When posters like Monet made fun of how clean the RV looked, Singer told us that it looked this clean because all his stuff was packed up and how he had it professionally cleaned. We also learned about gas mileage and what kind of car it towed, how he kept the original bedding, etc. I don't know why you've decided to become Singer's defense attorney, but you're making a distinction without a difference. If Rob wants to claim that he didn't actually lie that the RV he posted was his, then he can face that buzz saw. But what the fuck are you doing? You've been trying to convince everybody that Singer is a liar by saying the same things over and over and over again for years. MaxPen devoted 15 minutes. He doesn't have to call the wizard, grammatically deconstruct sentences, or fly anywhere to prove his point.

[monet]

What are you doing KJ? Singer posted those pictures as evidence of his claims a couple posts after AW posted the skeptical wizard video. When posters like Monet made fun of how clean the RV looked, Singer told us that it looked this clean because all his stuff was packed up and how he had it professionally cleaned. We also learned about gas mileage and what kind of car it towed, how he kept the original bedding, etc. I don't know why you've decided to become Singer's defense attorney, but you're making a distinction without a difference. If Rob wants to claim that he didn't actually lie that the RV he posted was his, then he can face that buzz saw. But what the fuck are you doing? You've been trying to convince everybody that Singer is a liar by saying the same things over and over and over again for years. MaxPen devoted 15 minutes. He doesn't have to call the wizard, grammatically deconstruct sentences, or fly anywhere to prove his point.

Not sure that I was making fun of Singer.
I actually try to set up my living areas like that.
It's just so damn difficult to keep everything so damn clean all the damn time.
My two damn dogs track in dust, dirt and shed.
Living in the desert is a never ending battle with the dust.
I'm convinced you need a live in housekeeper to live like those pictures
My Aunt was the only person I knew who could keep her living areas looking like a 4 star Hotel.
She not only was a clean freak like Felix Unger but she was very good with decorating.
She was also very good with DIY Home Improvements and had one of those Green Thumbs.
In the end her obsession caused her to have a mini stroke and she basically lost her mind.
I blame her OCD.

[wasilla]

Mickey wants to feel sooooo important sooooo bad. The biggest thing he ever told me that i recall was to confirm Neptune Gold isn't a play. I mean, last time i saw an AP I followed him about to see if he knew anything I didn't. AP does his rounds, then sits at a quickhit. Like right over his shoulder I see a play 15 feet away from him. He knew about quickhits, but apparently not this other machine. It is a lot of fun finding machines.

Mickey is an impressive dude. Too bad he doesn't work to finish his book instead of spending his effort on here trying to convince everyone else they're wasting their time on here. I listened to the GWAE with him again. This guy did 10th grade math, never algebra then went to a library for gambling stuff and was lost at the math. Found a book that does poker odds longform and from there intuitively understands how the odds work.

I'm far more interested in hearing about the old plays and how they all evolved. That stuff will likely be lost in history in some weird way. Video games are preserved, but this stuff isn't. Who gives a fuck about his 'plays' .. it is his explaining of his methodology that was useful. Anyone with enough wits can network or find this stuff on their own.

Other than that MickeyCrimm seemed to be calling me a liar, I don't have a problem with him. If he was getting away with whatever he was doing, more power to him.


The other comment you make is valid too actually - better to spend time writing a book than giving all your content to forums. But, it's a lot easier to post a little here and there than sit down and complete an entire manuscript, so even if a person has the intent to write an entire story, it's easy to get sucked into just posting a bit here and there online. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas started as just a series of articles, ended up a book.

There is no money in selling a book in a niche market like gambling. The publishers make a little money, the writers don't make jackshit. About the only way to go is to self publish an ebook and sell it on Amazon. But my problem was always incentive. Writing takes time. Time is money. I would have had to give up time in the casinos, and the money I made in that time, to produce a book. I did research into what Dancer, Kneeland and others made on their books. It wasn't jackshit. So what was I supposed to think I would make? And now it doesn't matter because I'm living a pretty comfortable life in my old age. I have better things to do than write a book.

Your probably right about the money. I had gathered the you had an interest in history, and you have that place in gambling history and a good story telling ability that would make for a great read. I understand why you're deciding not to do it though.

[BoSox]

Have you checked with Mike, MaxPen? It is very possible Mike made the same assumption that the rest of us did. I don't suppose Mike wants to get involved any further, but I would like to hear him verify the wording.

And why we are on subject, I also am a little disappointed Mike hasn't weighed in on the new pictures and the link by MaxPen which sheds doubt on Rob's pictures. I get that Mike is not going to voice his opinion, but since Rob just used Mike as a platform and then posted these pictures supposedly as evidence, Mike should at least comment on the new developments. That is just my opinion of course. I mean I though Mikes purpose was trying to get to the bottom of this claim.

You better watch your step!
You can't play nice over at DT and come here and bash Mike.
At least wait until they lift your ban at WoV.
You probably should refer to Mike as the Wizard.
I hear he doesn't like people calling him by his name and prefers the All Seeing, All Knowing, All Powerful Wizard!!

I do not think that KJ gives two shits about those other boards. Why? Because he just loves it here where he can bash everyone and anyone at any time including the owner. Where the hell else is he going to get all of that freedom?

[Bob21]

What are you doing KJ? Singer posted those pictures as evidence of his claims a couple posts after AW posted the skeptical wizard video. When posters like Monet made fun of how clean the RV looked, Singer told us that it looked this clean because all his stuff was packed up and how he had it professionally cleaned. We also learned about gas mileage and what kind of car it towed, how he kept the original bedding, etc. I don't know why you've decided to become Singer's defense attorney, but you're making a distinction without a difference. If Rob wants to claim that he didn't actually lie that the RV he posted was his, then he can face that buzz saw. But what the fuck are you doing? You've been trying to convince everybody that Singer is a liar by saying the same things over and over and over again for years. MaxPen devoted 15 minutes. He doesn't have to call the wizard, grammatically deconstruct sentences, or fly anywhere to prove his point.

Excellent point wasilla! But you've got to remember part of Kj's purpose in life is to spar with Singer. It's what makes Kj tick! It's what makes Kj the person he is!

I think Kj's scared he might have finally put the nail in Singer's coffin, so he's trying to revive him. Kj's letting Rob know, his story still might be true, if he can construe Rob's words in a certain way. He's crying out to Rob to come back!

This is like Freddy Kruger, or Friday the 13th, it never dies! And when you think it does, Kj tries to revive it, so he can go a couple more rounds with it.

What would Kj do without Rob? He'd be lost!

[mickeycrimm]

I agree that the Clit account should have been banned. But Mr Redietz is correct and the Singer account needs to be banned as well.

That said, your friend Alan never did it over the years with many calls for it. I understand Alan learned more over the years but still he could have done it. I wonder why he so wanted to believe Rob and his posts?

Also doesn’t Red owe Alan an apology from his post over at WoV?

Didn't Mr Kewlj say that Mr Alan did ban Singer, but Mr Dan allowed Singer back?

LOL, Alan!! To bad for you that you bought this back up. When you owned the site you got pissed at Singer and banned him. But a few months later you were taking a lot of flak for "18 yo's in a row." You let Rob back on to defend you. But even Rob had a hard time defending you and never fully committed to thinking you seen it. But he did defend you the best he could.

That wasn't the only time Alan banned Singer then let him back on. There was one time before the above described one. Dan banned Singer but then let him back on. Love him or hate him Singer is the one that gave this site traction. There are people that hate him that have tracked everything he's ever written for years. There are people that think his trolling of others is hilarious and read him for the laughs. Most of these people lurk the site instead of contributing to stay out of the way of becoming the butt of his jokes.

I've read thousands of his posts. People say he is viscious. Viscious is the word that both KJ and redietz have used in describing Singers posts. Yes, he trolls both of them. But they willingly troll back and have been just as viscious in their assessment of him. So it's a free for all back and forth back and forth back and forth. It's hilariously silly and funny when one troll, in righteous indignation, calls another troll a....troll. Pot. This is kettle. You're black.

Has anyone ever noticed that in thousands of posts on this and other forums Rob has never used a cuss word? Not one that I can remember. Am I the only one that has notice that? Even Mendelson could get pissed off and go to cussing. And the other trolls to. But not Rob.

[kewlJ]

I do not think that KJ gives two shits about those other boards. Why? Because he just loves it here where he can bash everyone and anyone at any time including the owner. Where the hell else is he going to get all of that freedom?

Dan Druff has said it is fair game to criticize the way he runs his forum. And so I have. I don't think I have particularly "bashed" him. Ahhh, maybe the "lazy Canadian" comments.

Also to Monet's point that I am bashing Mike. I don't think I am.

Look, Mike and I have a better relationship at the moment in that we are at least talking to one another. We still don't see eye to eye on everything including the path forward. Mike thinks there should be apologizes involved. I don't. While I acknowledge things I regret and said (mostly in the aftermath), I think there is plenty of blame to go around and think there is no good that can come from rehashing or revisiting anything. I just think it is time to move forward, especially since the 3rd party involved isn't even at WoV any longer. I am usually about moving forward in life.

Because we aren't in agreement about how to move forward, Mike suggested an alternative path. Through DT. I am not thrilled with that because DT isn't about the gambling/AP discussions that I would like to get back to. But I am giving it a try. I don't know if it will lead anywhere like back to WoV at some point, or not. I wasn't promised anything. I will probably offend Mike long before that occurs. Maybe even talking about this here, I don't know.

I am not going to walk on eggshells, kiss ass, or even say something that I don't believe. That's not who I am. I hope things work out as I would like to get away from this forum and have another option to post that is related to the gambling/AP community. But if it doesn't it doesn't.

[mickeycrimm]

I thought Dan banned him and then allowed him back on a limited capacity and then ignored it. My bad if IÂ’m wrong about that.

You are NOT wrong about that and Andrew/Alan damn well knows that. This is Alan playing dumb trying to throw people off the sockpuppet trail.

Look Singer should not be banned for lying. (some of you may need to read that statement form me again, as you may find it hard to digest that I said that). As far as I know there is no rule against lying on this or any forum. Are the owners administrators supposed to spend 24/7 checking on the truthfulness of everyone's statements, some of which are purely objective?

Singer has a right to lie and make up his alternative reality claims. BUT we have a right to challenge those claims, especially any claims that defies gambling mathematics. And Singer has a right to dispute those challenges with whatever alternative math he likes. The problem for me is when he can't defend or answer these challenges with anything substantial, so he just starts name calling and stating lies about those challenging him and worse yet family members. I am sorry, if that is all someone has as a counter, then they have nothing and their attacks for the purpose of deflections and changing the subject should not be allowed. Is it too much to ask for some servility?

The other thing is how about a little consistency? Rob was banned by Dan Druff for racial comments of all things. And then 6 months later he was allowed back. I have no problem with allowing people back. But there was no apology from Rob or agreement that he wouldn't do it again. Just a restriction that he could only post in one thread, that was never enforced.

Dan overturned Robs ban for one reason and Dan was honest about it. Traffic has decreased during Rob's absence. That is pretty fucked up to me.

One other interesting thing: Dan takes none of the attacks on people, homophobic attacks, racial, any of it seriously. But the one time someone make a comment about Jews and Dan immediately jumped in saying he was Jewish and that wouldn't be tolerated. Again is a little consistency too much to ask for?

What a shitload of inconsistent manure. If it's okay to lie then it's okay to hurl insults about race and sexual orientation.

I'm done. We're not suing anyway because Singer has no assets. He only has asses that enable him.

You couldn't win a lawsuit anyway. Not even that make believe lawyer you work for would take the case without a retainer. And you ain't putting any money in a lawyer's retainer when you can gamble it away.

[Bob21]

A troll is gonna troll.

I nominate this for the quote of the day, and I don't mean that sarcastically. I really liked it! It made me laugh, and had a lot of truth to it.

[kewlJ]

What are you doing KJ? Singer posted those pictures as evidence of his claims a couple posts after AW posted the skeptical wizard video. When posters like Monet made fun of how clean the RV looked, Singer told us that it looked this clean because all his stuff was packed up and how he had it professionally cleaned. We also learned about gas mileage and what kind of car it towed, how he kept the original bedding, etc. I don't know why you've decided to become Singer's defense attorney, but you're making a distinction without a difference. If Rob wants to claim that he didn't actually lie that the RV he posted was his, then he can face that buzz saw. But what the fuck are you doing? You've been trying to convince everybody that Singer is a liar by saying the same things over and over and over again for years. MaxPen devoted 15 minutes. He doesn't have to call the wizard, grammatically deconstruct sentences, or fly anywhere to prove his point.

Look I am not defending Singer....trust me I am not. Someone mentioned that it wasn't like Singer to get caught saying something like this when it wasn't that hard to prove it wasn't. That just got me thinking that he didn't actually say "this is my RV" or "here are some pictures of me in my RV". I didn't go back and read every word. There are pages and pages over a couple days, including the day after MaxPen caught him. Maybe he did say it. Maybe he said it to Mike. Doesn't even make much difference to me if he actually said the words. The posting of those pictures, with him at the wheel and on the bed, was in fact saying "This is my RV" even if he didn't technically say the words.

And if he is playing games like that, it really is time for Dan Druff to tell him to knock it off. I mean Dan got involved in the discussion at WoV, requesting proof. If Singer continues to play games and be deceptive, it's time Dan tell him to stop. I am not calling for his banning, but just for him to start acting like a freaking adult and not the troll that he has been for 20 years.

[mickeycrimm]

But I deserve this?

I haven't laughed so hard since maxpenn topped KJ.

And

I had no idea what a top was until you explained it. And now you've exposed maxpenn as a top. Well, I guess you two would know. Pretty easy hookups since you both live in LV.

I'm pretty sure Mickey "the Cum Dumpster" Crimm is capable of handling his own battles that he picks.

So,,,,why don't you stay out of it?

Not directed to me....but

Absolutely not and I’ll never put the blame on you.

Just saying it’s sad to see, but it’s also what these forums come down to.

Reread my post. We all are guilty of it. Just hate to see it between you two.

Penn started the dick sucking troll when I voiced my opinion on the DUB. He blindsided me. Never expected it from him. But fuck him now. He's in an all out war. I got no quit in me. He's a bottomfeeding piece of shit gheyboy that sucks KJ's cock.

[mickeycrimm]

But I deserve this?



I'm pretty sure Mickey "the Cum Dumpster" Crimm is capable of handling his own battles that he picks.

So,,,,why don't you stay out of it?

Not directed to me....but

Absolutely not and I’ll never put the blame on you.

Just saying it’s sad to see, but it’s also what these forums come down to.

Reread my post. We all are guilty of it. Just hate to see it between you two.

I'm not disagreeing with you Boz. But I'll be damned if I sit around getting insulted because some dude is upset that something he believed in is not the truth. So, then he wants to try and insult me in several different ways.
This dude is a former hobo. He knows better than to talk shit in the soup kitchen line or whatever he accused me of standing in.

You don't get it, bitch. I'm not upset even if I'm wrong. I have the balls to take a contrarian opinion and let the chips fall where they may. You don't have those kind of balls. You have a vagina. Because you are not a man. You're a lackey and a flunky and a bottomfeeder. And KJ's bitch.

[mickeycrimm]

Just saying it’s sad to see, but it’s also what these forums come down to.

Yes, it is what these forums come down to, but it doesn't have to be that way. I am aware this is Dan's forum, but it is our forum too. Everyone that participates contributes to the direction the forum goes.

Now let's say someone lives in a small town in Pennsylvania (just for an example). The town council passes an ordinance that no one is allowed out of their home after 7pm. Well, some of the towns people are really upset about this as they enjoy some evening and nighttime activates. So some of these people show up at the Town council meeting to voice there concerns. What is wrong with that?

I mean the people upset always have the right to pack up and leave town (equivalent to suggestions about leaving the forum and not letting the door him you in the ass). But before uprooting your family and selling your home and business in the town you have lived in, contributed to and helped build, what the hell is wrong with expressing an opinion that you disagree with the new ordinance first and trying to change the direction of things?

Damn right you don't want Singer to quit. Your whole world would fall apart if he quit posting here.

[mickeycrimm]

What a shitload of inconsistent manure. If it's okay to lie then it's okay to hurl insults about race and sexual orientation.

I'm done. We're not suing anyway because Singer has no assets. He only has asses that enable him.

WoW! What are you getting so angry about Alan/Andrew?

Is a forum owner administrator supposed to fact check everything said? If someone says they went to a nice steak dinner the night before is Dan supposed to call every steakhouse in town and see if a description of that person ate there? You can't stop people from lying and exaggerating claims. THAT is what I said.

Now that is very different than lying about another member as part of an attack. Saying someone wife who passed away, committed suicide because she couldn't stand the member the attack is against (sorry to the member that I used this example of) is bullshit and should not be tolerated. Saying some has sex with their mother and brother (which has been said about me) should not be tolerated. Those are lies but attacks as well, untrue attacks. There has to be a line. There just is no reason for these personal attacks.

I want attacks and untrue character assassination's to cease not the untrue claims. Well I would like the untrue claims to cease as well, especially one's that defy the math, but I don't think you can do that. That is apart of these forums. But attacks and lies as part of those attacks, that is something different. That is recess in the 3rd grade schoolyard, not a legitimate forum about gambling.

Who made you the arbiter of what should be bannable here and what shouldn't. Fuck, KJ. You dont' make the fucking rules. Now go have sex with your mother, bitch. If that hurts your feelings then fuck you. You don't make the rules, cunt.

[wasilla]

What are you doing KJ? Singer posted those pictures as evidence of his claims a couple posts after AW posted the skeptical wizard video. When posters like Monet made fun of how clean the RV looked, Singer told us that it looked this clean because all his stuff was packed up and how he had it professionally cleaned. We also learned about gas mileage and what kind of car it towed, how he kept the original bedding, etc. I don't know why you've decided to become Singer's defense attorney, but you're making a distinction without a difference. If Rob wants to claim that he didn't actually lie that the RV he posted was his, then he can face that buzz saw. But what the fuck are you doing? You've been trying to convince everybody that Singer is a liar by saying the same things over and over and over again for years. MaxPen devoted 15 minutes. He doesn't have to call the wizard, grammatically deconstruct sentences, or fly anywhere to prove his point.

Look I am not defending Singer....trust me I am not. Someone mentioned that it wasn't like Singer to get caught saying something like this when it wasn't that hard to prove it wasn't. That just got me thinking that he didn't actually say "this is my RV" or "here are some pictures of me in my RV". I didn't go back and read every word. There are pages and pages over a couple days, including the day after MaxPen caught him. Maybe he did say it. Maybe he said it to Mike. Doesn't even make much difference to me if he actually said the words. The posting of those pictures, with him at the wheel and on the bed, was in fact saying "This is my RV" even if he didn't technically say the words.

And if he is playing games like that, it really is time for Dan Druff to tell him to knock it off. I mean Dan got involved in the discussion at WoV, requesting proof. If Singer continues to play games and be deceptive, it's time Dan tell him to stop. I am not calling for his banning, but just for him to start acting like a freaking adult and not the troll that he has been for 20 years.

OK. I'm probably much less internet savvy than others and don't shop online. I thought those photos were from a dealership, but it didn't occur to me that I could actually find that same interior with an internet search. If I felt the need to lie about owning an RV, I might have tried the same thing with some actual personal possessions in the picture and would have been surprised at how easily I could be caught.