The Big Hurt Is Coming

[kewlJ]

To round out the story, Singer moved out of his last real home, an apartment in North Phoenix in 2011. Since then he has bounced around, mostly living at his daughters different properties with her family. We have joked about Rob living in his Winnebago, NOT NEWELL, in the driveway mooching electricity and cable. I suspect he lives in the house most of the time, not in the driveway. And at various times when not staying with his daughter and her family, he has bounced around for months at a time, at various RV parks. Pahrump, Flagstaff, other places. He was in Pahrump when the food stamp thing went down. And this was post double up bug claim.

Rob Singer is a old, retired dude. A lifelong gambler, hopefully just recreational, who once tried to make it as an AP and failed. And now he lives a typical retired life (and there is nothing wrong with that), with one hell of a lot of fiction stories and claims....none of which he has ever been able to offer a shred of evidence about. END OF STORY.

[House of Orange]

END OF STORY.

Great! This means no more posts from you?

[kewlJ]

Care to gamble on whether Trump runs or not? I'll go 1K that says Trump runs. You can most likely get more action on this bet Mr. Political Operative.

At what odds, now?

I have actually been looking into this wager. The online books are giving pretty significant odds that I would be interested in, I am just not real comfortable betting with online books. If you want to give me those odds and both put up the money with a third party we both trust (maybe Axelwolf), yeah, I am interested.

[mickeycrimm]

max we've been married nearly 42 years--which pisses a lot of the losers around here off--so my wife is aware to the extent she wants to be aware of the nonsense that gets flung my way. She simply laughs, knowing what I've accomplished in the vp world. And two teens? Wise up.

Which reminds me....Boulder's only 800 miles from LV. Why is kew, Alan, etc. not contacting me about making the drive for a tour of the rig? You mean their hysteria was just an act? No families, no self-respect, no life. What else do these slugs have to do right now?

You're probably also not going to like this: we have a 2-yr. old winnebago camper AND the Newell. But I've never liked driving a class A. It's too big, which is why our son uses it more than we do these days. It's also a money pit, which are reasons why it'll be for sale in the fall. We'll probably be asking $675k. It's in pristine shape for 10 years old. Only 38,000 miles. When I put the ad w/pic on the internet I'll post a copy of it here. You people deserve a fair shot.

Well, grandkids are up which means our journey begins. Keep posting the spin, twists and omissions! I'll try to catch up in 3-4 weeks. And stop being a grumpy old man

More Singer Bullshit! Singer doesn't own a Newell. He owns a Winnebago or more precisely the bank owns his Winnebago. Even that he is still paying on. He doesn't own a Newell. Never owned a Newell. And that is precisely why he can't and won't show any kind of documentation about a Newell. And now suddenly he is preparing to sell the make believe Newell, to remove that from the discussion because he can't produce it.

In 2011 Singer lived in an Apartment and owned a winnebego. Does THAT sound like a guy who won 2.8 million over 5 years ending in 2009? Does it sound like a guy who made all the money in the private sector that Singer claims? He lived in an apartment, and there is nothing wrong with that, until he starts lying with all this make believe crap. He has lived in apartments all his life, evicted from one with a legal judgement. And yes the food stamp penalty was there, but no longer is, because it happened. He never purchased a Newell and he never purchased property (that he says he put in his daughter and son-in-laws name). They purchased the properties and still have mortgages on them.

Singer is a retired dude, living a modest retired life, on social security and whatever other retirement he may have, same as most retired people. Except Singer isn't content with that, so he has invented a fantasy existence with ever changing claims of casino financial quests. He considers himself a writer, and that's all this now decades troll of the AP community is, a work of fiction.

I am getting tired of telling you people, WISE UP!. At least do yourself the favor of looking into it. If you enjoy these works of fiction and the decades old Troll of the AP community that is Rob Singer, that's fine. Just know what it is.

KJ, you really need to seek counseling for your obsession with Rob Singer. You are really going off the deep end these days. It was always bad but now it's much worse. Get some help before it's to late.

[kewlJ]

END OF STORY.

Great! This means no more posts from you?

I actually didn't say that did I?

It is the end of the story, but doesn't mean I can't keep writing about it as long as I desire, and more precisely as long as Rob keeps up the charade. That is the beauty of an anything goes forum.

[mickeycrimm]

Care to gamble on whether Trump runs or not? I'll go 1K that says Trump runs. You can most likely get more action on this bet Mr. Political Operative.

At what odds, now?

I have actually been looking into this wager. The online books are giving pretty significant odds that I would be interested in, I am just not real comfortable betting with online books. If you want to give me those odds and both put up the money with a third party we both trust (maybe Axelwolf), yeah, I am interested.

So you are willing to lay me 10 to 1? That's means I put up a thousand and you put up 10K. I figure that is equitable since your opinion is that without a doubt (100%) Trump won't run.

[kewlJ]

KJ, you really need to seek counseling for your obsession with Rob Singer. You are really going off the deep end these days. It was always bad but now it's much worse. Get some help before it's to late.

You can paint me as the bad guy mickey, but up until a year ago, you were right there debunking Rob's phony claims with the rest of us....even more than the rest of us. You have made whatever deal you made with Rob, and that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that, his claims are bullshit and he has engaged in a 20 years troll of the AP community, including with YOU as much as anybody.

[kewlJ]

So you are willing to lay me 10 to 1? That's means I put up a thousand and you put up 10K. I figure that is equitable since your opinion is that without a doubt (100%) Trump won't run.

Yeah I didn't think you were serious.

[mickeycrimm]

KJ, you really need to seek counseling for your obsession with Rob Singer. You are really going off the deep end these days. It was always bad but now it's much worse. Get some help before it's to late.

You can paint me as the bad guy mickey, but up until a year ago, you were right there debunking Rob's phony claims with the rest of us....even more than the rest of us. You have made whatever deal you made with Rob, and that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that, his claims are bullshit and he has engaged in a 20 years troll of the AP community, including with YOU as much as anybody.

Sure, I did a lot of debunking. But then I did what you need to do. Forgot it and moved on. What you are doing is not healthy.

[kewlJ]

Sure, I did a lot of debunking. But then I did what you need to do. Forgot it and moved on. What you are doing is not healthy.

You really don't get to tell me when it is time to move on. You debunked Rob for like 10 years until you caved to his bullying. As long as Rob continues with this charade, I will keep debunking him, until I decide to stop. I am not going to allow his bullshit to go unchallenged. Now Rob has the power to end it at any time. All he has to do is stop this charade and 20 year troll of AP's the AP community.

[The Boz]

Sure, I did a lot of debunking. But then I did what you need to do. Forgot it and moved on. What you are doing is not healthy.

You really don't get to tell me when it is time to move on. You debunked Rob for like 10 years until you caved to his bullying. As long as Rob continues with this charade, I will keep debunking him, until I decide to stop. I am not going to allow his bullshit to go unchallenged. Now Rob has the power to end it at any time. All he has to do is stop this charade and 20 year troll of AP's the AP community.

The problem him and a picture of his Motor Home wouldn’t satisfy you. But I’ll give you credit, when you set your mind to something, you stick with it. On that end, you haven’t been as hard on the Wizard and your claim to keep on him for the rest of his life, or something like that.

[kewlJ]

The problem him and a picture of his Motor Home wouldn’t satisfy you. But I’ll give you credit, when you set your mind to something, you stick with it. On that end, you haven’t been as hard on the Wizard and your claim to keep on him for the rest of his life, or something like that.

What do you want from me Boz? If I bring it up, you scream at that. Now you are goading me. I can't win.

Here is the current situation: Mike got involved with a situation he never should have and frankly had no idea what it was even about. Just like the Singer situation, it was about a guy making claims that were mathematically impossible and misleading and damaging to newer players. Early on Mike promised to look into the situation and read some of Norms forum, but I know he didn't do that because I don't believe Mike would have taken Norm's side, just as Mike would never endorse Singers claims that go against the math. Now Norm wasn't making those claims, but he protected the guy who was. Forum owners have a different agenda.

If Mike had really looked into what that feud was about, I don't believe he would have taken sides, friend or no friend that he owed a favor to, asking him. But he didn't look into it and he did take sides and banned someone because his friend demanded it of him and he owed him a favor.

I think Mike made a mistake and the sad part is that with hindsight, people can clearly see mistakes they have made, all of us. All you have to ask is where is Norm, to understand what really occurred. Mike has never been a guy big on admitting mistakes and he can't bring himself to do it now. So what am I going to do about it. He knows. I know. Not too many other people care anymore. So it is what it is. It does forever taint my opinion of Mike. But I wish him well.

[kewlJ]

The problem him and a picture of his Motor Home wouldn’t satisfy you.

A picture of a (Newell) motorhome would not have satisfied anyone, that is correct. Rob will be in an RV park later today he claims. He could take a picture of any motorhome and post it. Doesn't mean it is his. And he has done this with pictures of casino wins.

Now, documentation that he purchased the Newell motorhome, for 1.5 million as he claimed at the time that would have fit, just after his DU bug claim, would have been acceptable. It wouldn't have proven that is where the money came from, but the pieces would have fit and it would have been supporting evidence. That is what supporting evidence is.

I and others, including Alan, said we would have accepted that. In essence lowering the bar as much as we could for Rob and he still couldn't get over the bar.

[mickeycrimm]

So you are willing to lay me 10 to 1? That's means I put up a thousand and you put up 10K. I figure that is equitable since your opinion is that without a doubt (100%) Trump won't run.

Yeah I didn't think you were serious.

I'm definitely serious. You stated flatly that Trump will not run. Are you now taking that back? If you believe what you wrote then you don't need odds. Trying to get odds means you don't believe what you wrote. You are the one who is not serious.

[MaxPen]

KJ, you really need to seek counseling for your obsession with Rob Singer. You are really going off the deep end these days. It was always bad but now it's much worse. Get some help before it's to late.

You can paint me as the bad guy mickey, but up until a year ago, you were right there debunking Rob's phony claims with the rest of us....even more than the rest of us. You have made whatever deal you made with Rob, and that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that, his claims are bullshit and he has engaged in a 20 years troll of the AP community, including with YOU as much as anybody.

Sure, I did a lot of debunking. But then I did what you need to do. Forgot it and moved on. What you are doing is not healthy.

Honestly,,,
Have you moved on or just refocused?
REDietz seems to be your new muse

[The Boz]

The problem him and a picture of his Motor Home wouldn’t satisfy you.

A picture of a (Newell) motorhome would not have satisfied anyone, that is correct. Rob will be in an RV park later today he claims. He could take a picture of any motorhome and post it. Doesn't mean it is his. And he has done this with pictures of casino wins.

Now, documentation that he purchased the Newell motorhome, for 1.5 million as he claimed at the time that would have fit, just after his DU bug claim, would have been acceptable. It wouldn't have proven that is where the money came from, but the pieces would have fit and it would have been supporting evidence. That is what supporting evidence is.

I and others, including Alan, said we would have accepted that. In essence lowering the bar as much as we could for Rob and he still couldn't get over the bar.

He did make an offer for anyone to meet him on the road. If someone has nothing going on and lives out that way, it would be a fun exercise to get out of the house. And you would have a story. Why not head out on the road and let us know what you find out?

[mickeycrimm]

The problem him and a picture of his Motor Home wouldn’t satisfy you.

A picture of a (Newell) motorhome would not have satisfied anyone, that is correct. Rob will be in an RV park later today he claims. He could take a picture of any motorhome and post it. Doesn't mean it is his. And he has done this with pictures of casino wins.

Now, documentation that he purchased the Newell motorhome, for 1.5 million as he claimed at the time that would have fit, just after his DU bug claim, would have been acceptable. It wouldn't have proven that is where the money came from, but the pieces would have fit and it would have been supporting evidence. That is what supporting evidence is.

I and others, including Alan, said we would have accepted that. In essence lowering the bar as much as we could for Rob and he still couldn't get over the bar.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. KJ, how about providing proof you own a condo? Should be easy peasy. Proof or it didn't happen.

[kewlJ]

I'm definitely serious. You stated flatly that Trump will not run.

Did I? or did I say "I don't believe he will even be running".

Check the betting odds mickey. If you are willing to give me odds in that range that I find acceptable, I will take your bet. Otherwise, stop playing games.

[kewlJ]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. KJ, how about providing proof you own a condo? Should be easy peasy. Proof or it didn't happen.

You have become a really sad shell of what you used to be, mickey. I know that is a put down, but I don't say it trying to hurt you. It is just sad.

I am an AP. An active player currently (well not currently with this situation, unfortunately) making a living as a blackjack player. My claims are very pedestrian in terms of numbers, and are completely supported by the math. And although blackjack AP and card counting isn't as popular as it used to be, with most AP's having moved on to higher edge stuff, there still are many players that at least incorporate some blackjack play into their AP arsenal. While not common (anymore) it still is not unusual. Just nothing special about it. My claims are routine and supported by math. Rob's claims are magnificent, very rare and as such require some sort of supporting proof or evidence. And that is why legitimate players, including Mike Shackleford and Dan Druff are asking for some.

No body would demand proof of such a claim, a routine, mathematically supported claim of card counting, except someone playing games as you now are. You have actually taken the anti-AP side. Weird. And sad.

[kewlJ]

He did make an offer for anyone to meet him on the road. If someone has nothing going on and lives out that way, it would be a fun exercise to get out of the house. And you would have a story. Why not head out on the road and let us know what you find out?

Did he make a legitimate offer? "Yeah come meet me, but if you want to get near my RV, I will shoot you".

Rob Singer has a long history of tying condition to things that he knows can't and won't be met. And that is exactly what this was. Then he will exclaim no one took me up on it. It is all a troll game.

If Rob was really serious about someone meeting him and verifying his Motorhome, He would have made some effort. Knowing many of us are in Vegas, he could have swung at least partway towards Vegas, and offered to meet somewhere maybe in the middle, maybe Utah, that would have been accommodating to all. But that is not what he did. Instead he picked a location that he figured no one would be willing to go to, 800 miles from Vegas. And just in case someone happened to be in that area and would be willing to meet, he threw in that he would be willing to shoot you if you got too close....just to make sure no one would take him up.

These are troll games, by a 20 year master troll. Boz, I know you are not stupid enough to be falling for this, so that only leaves that you are playing games and enjoy at the troll games. That is fine, but don't pretend to be rational.