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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post

    Bob I read the short story from that episode of the Twilight Zone it was very good.


    Regarding that woman over at the forum, her handle is "Cooking with Cards and yes she is one tough cookie. Reminds me of you and how you defend a point of view.
    Youíre right, I meant Cooking with Cards. And I thought your last reply to her was good. She seems very sensitive, and sincere. Youíre right, you canít take these forums too seriously and things can be misconstrued in a post.

    A poster child for not taken forums too seriously is Kj. Heís a mess. Forums have messed Kj up so much I question if he can even function normally in society anymore.
    Bob, as you know things change quickly. I threw her a slow one right down the middle, now I think she will hit a slam off of me.
    Bosox, I was just reading over at BTF and see that now Cooking with Cards wants to meet up with you. I told you she was flirting with you and wants to hook up.

    I hope your wife doesnít lurk on any of these forums and see all the women trying to hook up with you.

    I did think your reply was good. You put a stop to it right away and directed her to Don. Apparently her husband isnít keeping her satisfied.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    You’re right, I meant Cooking with Cards. And I thought your last reply to her was good. She seems very sensitive, and sincere. You’re right, you can’t take these forums too seriously and things can be misconstrued in a post.

    A poster child for not taken forums too seriously is Kj. He’s a mess. Forums have messed Kj up so much I question if he can even function normally in society anymore.
    Bob, as you know things change quickly. I threw her a slow one right down the middle, now I think she will hit a slam off of me.
    Bosox, I was just reading over at BTF and see that now Cooking with Cards wants to meet up with you. I told you she was flirting with you and wants to hook up.

    I hope your wife doesn’t lurk on any of these forums and see all the women trying to hook up with you.

    I did think your reply was good. You put a stop to it right away and directed her to Don. Apparently her husband isn’t keeping her satisfied.
    Bob, are you trying to get me in trouble? No more funny comments please as I do not want either of us to be banned on the BJT forum.

    I noticed that you got off easy after defending Eliot. So far only ZeeBabar seems upset.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post

    Bob, as you know things change quickly. I threw her a slow one right down the middle, now I think she will hit a slam off of me.
    Bosox, I was just reading over at BTF and see that now Cooking with Cards wants to meet up with you. I told you she was flirting with you and wants to hook up.

    I hope your wife doesn’t lurk on any of these forums and see all the women trying to hook up with you.

    I did think your reply was good. You put a stop to it right away and directed her to Don. Apparently her husband isn’t keeping her satisfied.
    Bob, are you trying to get me in trouble? No more funny comments please as I do not want either of us to be banned on the BJT forum.

    I noticed that you got off easy after defending Eliot. So far only ZeeBabar seems upset.
    Yeah, I thought I’d come over to MWP and your neck of the woods and throw a bomb since MWP likes to throw bombs over here.

    But on a serious side, I really like Eliot. I meant everything I said about him, and his books. He’s one of the good guys in the AP community, and he doesn’t feel the need to bash casinos.

    Casinos aren’t the bad guy. They are a business, just doing what they are supposed to do...providing negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment and kicking out APs, like me, who try to play them the way they were not intended to be played, meaning in a positive EV way.

    I will never blame a casino for doing what I’d do if I was in their shoes.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Bosox, I was just reading over at BTF and see that now Cooking with Cards wants to meet up with you. I told you she was flirting with you and wants to hook up.

    I hope your wife doesnít lurk on any of these forums and see all the women trying to hook up with you.

    I did think your reply was good. You put a stop to it right away and directed her to Don. Apparently her husband isnít keeping her satisfied.
    Bob, are you trying to get me in trouble? No more funny comments please as I do not want either of us to be banned on the BJT forum.

    I noticed that you got off easy after defending Eliot. So far only ZeeBabar seems upset.
    Yeah, I thought Iíd come over to MWP and your neck of the woods and throw a bomb since MWP likes to throw bombs over here.

    But on a serious side, I really like Eliot. I meant everything I said about him, and his books. Heís one of the good guys in the AP community, and he doesnít feel the need to bash casinos.

    Casinos arenít the bad guy. They are a business, just doing what they are supposed to do...providing negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment and kicking out APs, like me, who try to play them the way they were not intended to be played, meaning in a positive EV way.

    I will never blame a casino for doing what Iíd do if I was in their shoes.
    I don't blame the casinos for changing odds, pay tables or even backing off Pros. However, I do blame casinos for illegally detaining Advantage Players, cheating players in some cases, not honoring their own promotions after the fact, and other dirty tricks they pull.

  5. #25
    Any business, open to the public and offering a service, should not be able to pick and choose its customers. The only exception to this would be the customers wanting something specific that the business doesn't offer. Most gamblers, AP or not, are not asking casinos for any special treatment. I say most because there's Iveys and Johnsons out there that did get this "special treatment." In my book, they should have been denied those specifications they asked for.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I don't blame the casinos for changing odds, pay tables or even backing off Pros. However, I do blame casinos for illegally detaining Advantage Players, cheating players in some cases, not honoring their own promotions after the fact, and other dirty tricks they pull.
    Then weíre on the same page. In my next of the woods, I havenít heard or seen APs being illegally detained, I havenít seen cheating by casinos, I havenít seen casinos not honor promotions, and I havenít seen them pull dirty tricks. I donít live in Vegas, but I have been there a couple times, and I was treated great by all casinos and throughly enjoyed my times there.

    Iím not saying it doesnít happen because Iím sure it does. But I think itís the exception rather than the rule.

    Casinos are like any other business, they arenít perfect...they make mistakes. Thereís bad apples in every industry, including casinos. But itís been my experience most the time they try to do the right thing, and I have been backed off a couple times. Most were pleasent backoffs, but Iím not a high stakes player.

    Since full time APs pretty much live in casinos they are going to have more experience in casinos, and Iím sure some arenít going to be good. I do believe they concentrate too much on the exception rather than the rule. Remember, casinos werenít built with APs as their target customer.

    Itís just like people at any company. You have some that constantly complain no matter what a company does, and many times they are right. But life isnít perfect, and no company or industry is prefect. Itís a lot easier to focus on the bad than the good. And thatís what people tend to do.

    Casinos bring a lot of enjoyment to peopleís lives too. For the most part APs donít like to acknowledge that fact.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Any business, open to the public and offering a service, should not be able to pick and choose its customers. The only exception to this would be the customers wanting something specific that the business doesn't offer. Most gamblers, AP or not, are not asking casinos for any special treatment.
    I have always agreed with this in principal. The business involves games of chance. The casino gets to set the rules so that they are at an advantage. Then they still want to not allow those few that can beat them playing fairly within the rules that the casino sets?

    The casinos want to play against losing players only. How about if a football team only wanted to play against the teams with losing records? Would that work?

    Now unfortunately, I did say I have always agreed in principal. The fact is the casinos and casino industry is going to protect themselves one way or another. I grew up with 2 different models. My early years in New Jersey, where the casino weren't allowed to pick and choose their customers and protected themselves by offering crappy games and conditions to all, and the last decade of my play here in Nevada, where they can pick and choose, which means players have to learn to play the cat and mouse games and identify tolerance and comfort levels to achieve any kind of longevity. Between the two models I will take number 2 all day long.
    Dan Druff: Rob is trolling everyone hard. Anyone with sense knows that there's no Newell, and if he did ever take advantage of the double up bug, he did so on a smaller scale. I'm voting that he never took advantage of it at all. The situation is clear as day.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Any business, open to the public and offering a service, should not be able to pick and choose its customers. The only exception to this would be the customers wanting something specific that the business doesn't offer. Most gamblers, AP or not, are not asking casinos for any special treatment.
    I have always agreed with this in principal. The business involves games of chance. The casino gets to set the rules so that they are at an advantage. Then they still want to not allow those few that can beat them playing fairly within the rules that the casino sets?

    The casinos want to play against losing players only. How about if a football team only wanted to play against the teams with losing records? Would that work?

    Now unfortunately, I did say I have always agreed in principal. The fact is the casinos and casino industry is going to protect themselves one way or another. I grew up with 2 different models. My early years in New Jersey, where the casino weren't allowed to pick and choose their customers and protected themselves by offering crappy games and conditions to all, and the last decade of my play here in Nevada, where they can pick and choose, which means players have to learn to play the cat and mouse games and identify tolerance and comfort levels to achieve any kind of longevity. Between the two models I will take number 2 all day long.
    That's good to hear Kj, because Arnold Snyder has made that same point. If you don't allow the casino to back off APs, you will force the casinos to offer worse games. Snyder and many APs think Uston ruined Atlantic City for APs with all his lawsuits. They were glad he didn't succeed in Vegas. If Uston had succeeded, he'd have destroyed Vegas for APs too.

    The fact is casinos have to be given the option of "picking" their customers or they would not be able to offer games that can be beat. It's that simple. If casinos would offer the juicy blackjack games all APs cry about with a cut card way back and not take any action against an AP, that casino would be run over by APs and out of business.

    This, in fact, happened in Korea I think back in the 70 or 80s. Munchkin mentioned it on one of his GWAE podcast. He said APs would come into the casino and camp out at tables and go from table min to table max, and it was against the law for the casinos to do anything about it. Munchkin said you could see that wouldn't last long, and it didn't. The government had to change their laws, or they would have had to start subsidizing casinos.

    Common sense tells you casinos have to have the option to back off APs or that wouldn't be able to offer games that can be beat. This is something a lot of APs struggle to understand. Arnold Snyder gets it. He does a good job explaining this in some of his books. He gets it probably as well as any person in his position. Even Don Johnson recongized casinos have to be able to back off APs

    That's why Snyder has always said the key is being able to get away with it...it is not learning the math behind it. He's said something like he'd rather teach an actor to count, rather than a math nerd to act. Point being acting and getting away with it is more important than learning the skills to do it.

    If an AP can't understand that then they shouldn't be doing this. Or they could just go to some gambling forum and form a grip group and complain about casinos, which is what a lot of them do. Lol.

  9. #29
    But when are we going to address Robert E Dietz saying Mickey is a ďboonĒ to Mankind?



    ďboon
    A derogatory term for a black man.
    Look at the state of that dorty fuckin boon.

    That boon smells like soil.

    Did you pay your boon in handfuls of rice?
    #black#coon#jungle-bunny#nigger#shit-eaterĒ

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boon
    Reopen America!

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    But when are we going to address Robert E Dietz saying Mickey is a “boon” to Mankind?



    “boon
    A derogatory term for a black man.
    Look at the state of that dorty fuckin boon.

    That boon smells like soil.

    Did you pay your boon in handfuls of rice?
    #black#coon#jungle-bunny#nigger#shit-eater”

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boon
    Urban dictionary was free for all, not now, but was. Meaningless.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I don't blame the casinos for changing odds, pay tables or even backing off Pros. However, I do blame casinos for illegally detaining Advantage Players, cheating players in some cases, not honoring their own promotions after the fact, and other dirty tricks they pull.
    Then weíre on the same page. In my next of the woods, I havenít heard or seen APs being illegally detained, I havenít seen cheating by casinos, I havenít seen casinos not honor promotions, and I havenít seen them pull dirty tricks. I donít live in Vegas, but I have been there a couple times, and I was treated great by all casinos and throughly enjoyed my times there.

    Iím not saying it doesnít happen because Iím sure it does. But I think itís the exception rather than the rule.

    Casinos are like any other business, they arenít perfect...they make mistakes. Thereís bad apples in every industry, including casinos. But itís been my experience most the time they try to do the right thing, and I have been backed off a couple times. Most were pleasent backoffs, but Iím not a high stakes player.

    Since full time APs pretty much live in casinos they are going to have more experience in casinos, and Iím sure some arenít going to be good. I do believe they concentrate too much on the exception rather than the rule. Remember, casinos werenít built with APs as their target customer.

    Itís just like people at any company. You have some that constantly complain no matter what a company does, and many times they are right. But life isnít perfect, and no company or industry is prefect. Itís a lot easier to focus on the bad than the good. And thatís what people tend to do.

    Casinos bring a lot of enjoyment to peopleís lives too. For the most part APs donít like to acknowledge that fact.
    I have no idea what type of Advantage plays you make or to what level.

    I don't think it's the exception to the rule when it comes to Advantage players, especially when you Target many promotions. If you're talking and bulk numbers, of course it's probably going to be exception and not the rule. I mean there's hundreds of Advantage Players making hundreds of Advantage plays without a problem. Unfortunately, once you start to get into some serious money, especially when it comes to Promotions the s*** goes down. Let's not forget oftentimes the exception to the rule is significant enough to affect someone considerably. Imagine losing 20,000 expecting to get back 80K and they try to f*** you.

    I can't even count the number of times casinos have tried to withhold rightfully earned money, renege, back out, dishonor something, lie, cheat or steal from me.

    Out of all the times I've had to call gaming, I believe I was only ruled against 2 times out of like 30. Each time I called... it had something to do with one of the things I mentioned above. If Gaming is ruling your favor... that clearly means the casino did something wrong in the first place.

    One of the times when gaming actually ruled against me and my girlfriend, we where clearly in the right, considering the owner of the establishment made a deal with me. And, Per his instructions he had an employee sign a paper with the terms I clearly stated before I would continue on. They backed out when they realize the huge mistake they made and I was one away from the honey pot. I get the fact that Gaming wasn't going to allow me to bankrupt the place, however, they should have refunded the money that I lost while leveling up on their promise to pay once I hit that level(it was over ten Grand). I probably would have won the case with gaming if I took it further, but I just said f*** it since it seemed gaming was already angry with me, also, I really didn't want to put her my girlfriend through all of that.

  12. #32
    There was a real chickenshit move a casino pulled on someone that cost them thousands(I can't remember the exact number anymore), luckily it wasn't me, but I was there, I'm not even sure if that person was an Advantage Player, I was too focused on what I was doing.

    They had a Saint Patrick's Day promotion that required you to wear a green shirt the time of completion in order to receive the bonus. The casino denied the person their bonus because they claim her shirt was not the correct color of green. Perhaps they claimed it was technically aquamarine, Olive or some b******* like that.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    But when are we going to address Robert E Dietz saying Mickey is a ďboonĒ to Mankind?



    ďboon
    A derogatory term for a black man.
    Look at the state of that dorty fuckin boon.

    That boon smells like soil.

    Did you pay your boon in handfuls of rice?
    #black#coon#jungle-bunny#nigger#shit-eaterĒ

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boon
    You would have a stronger case if the word boon didn't have 2 other definitions as a noun.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post

    Bob, as you know things change quickly. I threw her a slow one right down the middle, now I think she will hit a slam off of me.
    Bosox, I was just reading over at BTF and see that now Cooking with Cards wants to meet up with you. I told you she was flirting with you and wants to hook up.

    I hope your wife doesn’t lurk on any of these forums and see all the women trying to hook up with you.

    I did think your reply was good. You put a stop to it right away and directed her to Don. Apparently her husband isn’t keeping her satisfied.
    Bob, are you trying to get me in trouble? No more funny comments please as I do not want either of us to be banned on the BJT forum.

    I noticed that you got off easy after defending Eliot. So far only ZeeBabar seems upset.
    Bosox, I was just checking out Blackjack info and I see you've connected with Cooking with Cards over there too. Are you sure there is nothing going on between you? I sense a simmering spark between you too. She really seems to be flirting with you.

  15. #35
    Dbs 6582/Bob21 if you want to make jokes involving someone please do it on a forum board that the person participates on thank you.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Dbs 6582/Bob21 if you want to make jokes involving someone please do it on a forum board that the person participates on thank you.
    Bosox, I wasnít making a joke. I was calling it like I see it. There is nothing wrong with two people flirting, as long as its with the opposite sex.

    Btw, I was going to post over at Blackjack info but I canít find my password. You wouldnít happen know my password would you? If you do send it to me in a private message so I can log on over there. Thanks!

  17. #37
    No need to look for my password Bosox. I’m not going to post over at Blackjack info.

    Did you see the latest post by 21forme over there? This is par for the course with him. He loves to put down other people and other forums, since he’s arrogant and insecure.

    I’m surprised the moderate doesn’t ban 21forme on blackjack info since it violates their rules. 21forme claims blackjack info is “civilized”, but it allows all his pompous comments, and him constantly insulting and putting down anybody who doesn’t agree with him. I don’t see anything “civilized” in that.

    And when 21forme is losing a debate to someone on a topic (which is most the time), he usually puts them on ignore and goes into his name calling mode. Yeah, you can participate over there if you want. It’s not for me.

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Dbs 6582/Bob21 if you want to make jokes involving someone please do it on a forum board that the person participates on thank you.
    Bosox, I wasn’t making a joke. I was calling it like I see it. There is nothing wrong with two people flirting, as long as its with the opposite sex.

    Btw, I was going to post over at Blackjack info but I can’t find my password. You wouldn’t happen know my password would you? If you do send it to me in a private message so I can log on over there. Thanks!
    Bjo32, Bob21, Dbs6582 everything is a joke with you, I do not find it funny. You owe the lady an apology as I already informed her right on the open site itself at BJinfo.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Dbs 6582/Bob21 if you want to make jokes involving someone please do it on a forum board that the person participates on thank you.
    Bosox, I wasnít making a joke. I was calling it like I see it. There is nothing wrong with two people flirting, as long as its with the opposite sex.

    Btw, I was going to post over at Blackjack info but I canít find my password. You wouldnít happen know my password would you? If you do send it to me in a private message so I can log on over there. Thanks!
    Bjo32, Bob21, Dbs6582 everything is a joke with you, I do not find it funny. You owe the lady an apology as I already informed her right on the open site itself at BJinfo.
    Thatís incorrect Bosox and you know it. Iíd say at least 80% of my posts are 100% serious. The ones on my conservative views, my views on science, my views on creationism, my views on blackjack, my views on casinos, my views on Rob not playing the DUB, etc, are 100% serious.

    Even my views on you being one of the greatest forum defectives ever is mostly serious. Iíve seen no better since Iíve been on forums. You earned your nickname name, Bosox forum detective. Congratulations!

    As far as what I said about Cooking with Cards, what do I need to apologize for? I didnít say anything bad about her. I just said it looked like she was flirting with you. How do you know itís not true? Are you saying someone canít have an opinion on a forum?

    What if I loged onto blackjack info and apologize to her for saying I think sheís flirting with you, and she replies back that she was? What are you going to say then? I donít want to put you in an awkward spot so I think itís best if we let it die.

  20. #40
    She IS obviously flirtng with Bosox. Something is very fishy. Seems like something is going on when I read those 2 bantering back and forth.

    Bosox acts like he has cash. Women like cash. What else is there to see?
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