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  1. #141
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    The same person that signed her name, signed the sellers line. Look at that C It's definitely the same person, also look at the E's its very odd one would include a upper case E with that design, that seems have been done deliberately. Obviously, robs signature would naturally be less shaky since he's had plenty of practice and he's able to go fast. Her name was not a signature it's deliberately a slow-paced standard(offbeat a little make it look good) cursive. The seller's name seems to only include initials. Of course this would be on purpose if A: you want to make sure you weren't actually forging someone's name. B: Not enough evidence left behind so someone could actually research that person who supposedly signed it. With only a few letters it's a lot easier to go fast and make it look more like a signature.
    I actually think the same person signed everything.
    You will notice that all the signatures have a slight right-leaning slant to them. The faster you go the more pronounced at forward right lean would be. Notice the r and the J at the beginning of the seller's name and Rob's name. They have a right diagonal lean. You'll notice in his signature or he's going a little faster the E leads into the N almost identical to her signature, and that of course someone purposely designed to E a little different but there's no denying the flow and the very similar N. they're slightly different because an actual signature is going to move faster. Again , look at the C Both C's have super similar characteristics, notice they both have the same downwards slanting angles.

    The funny part is... who includes an 'and' while they're signing something(unless you're signing a greeting card from you and your significant other)? It as if somebody was concentrating on what they had to do and decided to just copy the line below that was printed out... by doing so they accidentally included the 'and' and didn't even realize it.
    Serious question- are you a homosexual?
    Why, are you looking for a date? If so, you need to keep looking elsewhere, because the serious answer is no, not even Bi curious or whatever they're saying nowadays. But, If I was, I would be proud since I'm fairly certain people are born that way.

    Just out of curiosity, why did that particular post prompt such a question? Is it so scary close to being accurate that some type of criticism must follow? Perhaps gay people have a special ability to detect forgeries?
    You just strike me as one...no problem tho, carry on

  2. #142
    I actually un-banned MickeyCrimm in order to view this thread. I assume our past feud was reactionary on both sides and water under the bridge, but in any case the title was too provocative and I had to see its content.

    It’s clear that whatever motorhome Rob posted before is the for-sale one that MaxPen unearthed. Also, the pictures of 2011 P2000I Newells I saw online didn’t look anything like the one Rob was lounging in, so that one he showed a pic of was more like a 2008.

    It’s absurd to assume that Rob is pulling all this as a hoax to get a reaction. Even if he were doing that for the benefit of his “friends” at VCT, I can’t see him providing all this to the Wizard other than to try to prove himself. If he wasn’t interested in proving himself why would he have bothered to submit to a second WOV interview? No, this is not a deliberate farce, Rob wants us to believe that he really does own a 2011 Newell and really did pay over a million for it in 2013, and this is its purchase contract.

    I’ll leave the forensic analysis of the document to others, who seem to have already picked it apart. I’ll say that it seems written by a Hunter S. Thompson-esque hand, what With The Capitalization Of Every Word In Some Sentences, and not at all in others. I also noticed that on page one it defines the Argentinos as the “Purchaser” but keeps referring to them as “Buyers” on page two. It’s also odd, for a legal document, that page one refers to the motor home’s having “Only [Capitalized ] 1602 Miles” as if written for the benefit of anyone someday viewing this document, versus just stating something for the record ‘1602 miles’ (not “only” ) in a legal document.

    He’s on the road, traveling, far from home, and he keeps a copy of his bill of sale from seven years ago in the glove box? Who travels with the title, isn’t that something we keep locked away safely not in the vehicle? So who wrote the ampersand ¢ between his and his wife’s signature? When I saw that I just assumed that he had signed for her, but if indeed page three of this is the notarization that wouldn’t fly, so assuming this thing is legit one of them wrote that ampersand in there. The whole document seems so hokey right down to the “Signed, Sealed, and Delivered” verbiage on the second page, that it’s in the category of whoppers that you almost just have to swallow because they are so excessive.

    Anyway, setting aside the forensic analysis - the contract refers to a Cobra CB and a “55 TV Mounted Under Bedroom Murphy Bed.” I tried to visualize that under bed mounted TV – I could not. I recall that one of the very first in-casino pics I posted at WOV was of my entrance ticket into a $100,000. Baccarat invitational tournament. I placed a watch, my Day Date 40 Platinum, on the ticket to cover up my name and player number. Rob has mentioned that he has two Rolexes, a white gold President, and some other watch. How about in this neverending story he gives us a shot of the TV next to the WG President, and a shot of the CB next to his other Rolex, with clear enough shots so that we may confirm the devices and see if they are even 2011 latest models, which we gotta assume that the latest greatest models from 2011 - 2013, would be installed in a million plus coach bought in 2013. I mean a guy who travels with his million dollar pink slip has gotta travel with both of his Rolexes too, right?

    Another flag is that he stuck to the $1.5M figure all this time, when it was “actually” $1.3M. That would be like my winning $26K and reporting it at WOV as $28K. Why? How does $1.5M sound so much better than $1.3M as to compel the need to fabricate the number? This also does not make sense.

    With these sorts of things the devil is in the details. Broad strokes wise he’s coming up with such whoppers that he may have been hoping we'd just have to swallow them because sometimes the truly ridiculous whoppers are the hardest ones to verify one way or another, but if he may show us that 2011 model TV and 2011 model CB radio installed in that 2011 Newell next to his two Rolexes, that will back up this phony looking “Bill of Sale of Vehicle” more than anything he could say.
    Last edited by MDawg; 05-23-2020 at 07:44 AM.
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  3. #143
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    I actually un-banned MickeyCrimm in order to view this thread. I assume our past feud was reactionary on both sides and water under the bridge, but in any case the title was too provocative and I had to see its content.

    It’s clear that whatever motorhome Rob posted before is the for-sale one that MaxPen unearthed. Also, the pictures of 2011 P2000I Newells I saw online didn’t look anything like the one Rob was lounging in, so that one he showed a pic of was more like a 2008.

    It’s absurd to assume that Rob is pulling all this as a hoax to get a reaction. Even if he were doing that for the benefit of his “friends” at VCT, I can’t see him providing all this to the Wizard other than to try to prove himself. If he wasn’t interested in proving himself why would he have bothered to submit to a second WOV interview? No, this is not a deliberate farce, Rob wants us to believe that he really does own a 2011 Newell and really did pay over a million for it in 2013, and this is its purchase contract.

    I’ll leave the forensic analysis of the document to others, who seem to have already picked it apart. I’ll say that it seems written by a Hunter S. Thompson-esque hand, what With The Capitalization Of Every Word In Some Sentences, and not at all in others. I also noticed that on page one it defines the Argentinos as the “Purchaser” but keeps referring to them as “Buyers” on page two. It’s also odd, for a legal document, that page one refers to the motor home’s having “Only [Capitalized ] 1602 Miles” as if written for the benefit of anyone someday viewing this document, versus just stating something for the record ‘1602 miles’ (not “only” ) in a legal document.

    He’s on the road, traveling, far from home, and he keeps a copy of his bill of sale from seven years ago in the glove box? Who travels with the title, isn’t that something we keep locked away safely not in the vehicle? So who wrote the ampersand ¢ between his and his wife’s signature? When I saw that I just assumed that he had signed for her, but if indeed page three of this is the notarization that wouldn’t fly, so assuming this thing is legit one of them wrote that ampersand in there. The whole document seems so hokey right down to the “Signed, Sealed, and Delivered” verbiage on the second page, that it’s in the category of whoppers that you almost just have to swallow because they are so excessive.

    Anyway, setting aside the forensic analysis - the contract refers to a Cobra CB and a “55 TV Mounted Under Bedroom Murphy Bed.” I tried to visualize that under bed mounted TV – I could not. I recall that one of the very first in-casino pics I posted at WOV was of my entrance ticket into a $100,000. Baccarat invitational tournament. I placed a watch, my Day Date 40 Platinum, on the ticket to cover up my name and player number. Rob has mentioned that he has two Rolexes, a white gold President, and some other watch. How about in this neverending story he gives us a shot of the TV next to the WG President, and a shot of the CB next to his other Rolex, with clear enough shots so that we may confirm the devices and see if they are even 2011 latest models, which we gotta assume that the latest greatest models from 2011 - 2013, would be installed in a million plus coach bought in 2013. I mean a guy who travels with his million dollar pink slip has gotta travel with both of his Rolexes too, right?

    Another flag is that he stuck to the $1.5M figure all this time, when it was “actually” $1.3M. That would be like my winning $26K and reporting it at WOV as $28K. Why? How does $1.5M sound so much better than $1.3M as to compel the need to fabricate the number? This also does not make sense.

    With these sorts of things the devil is in the details. Broad strokes wise he’s coming up with such whoppers that he may have been hoping we'd just have to swallow them because sometimes the truly ridiculous whoppers are the hardest ones to verify one way or another, but if he may show us that 2011 model TV and 2011 model CB radio installed in that 2011 Newell next to his two Rolexes, that will back up this phony looking “Bill of Sale of Vehicle” more than anything he could say.
    MDawg, good points! I’m now understanding why this story is so intriguing to so many people. It’s so bad and makes so little sense on so many levels, it’s hard to know where to even start.

    But Rob keeps it going. You really got to admire a guy who keeps going with a story no matter how much the odds are stacked against him. It reminds me of OJ still claiming he didn’t murder Nicole. Or that carton of a frog getting swallowed by a crane and the frog puts his hands around the crane’s throat so he won’t go down the throat and getting eaten.

    The caption says “Don’t EVER give up!” This is Rob’s motto and you gotta love it no matter what side of the fence you’re on.

  4. #144
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    On the receipt it says the vehicle will be registered in Hanson County, South Dakota. KJocchio and others who looked into Rob's background should have seen his Emery, South Dakota address. Emery is in Hanson County. The sale would have taken place 8 years ago.

    When I looked into Rob's background I seen the Emery, South Dakota address and thought it was strange. When questioned about it Rob said it was a good summer spot, fairly close to his kids, and he registered his RV(s)'s there because it was so cheap compared to other states. He made these claims right here on VCT a few years ago.
    Sad...... LMAO
    You went from a respected machine hustler to a washed up troll's bitchboy. Congrats.
    Unlike a piss poor hustler like you I use legitimate strategy and all available information. It's clear you don't use all available information. That makes you a donkey. Why are you afraid of information? You've pretty much shit all over your reputation....which wasn't much to begin with, Mr. nickel hustler.
    If you're using all available information to make a decision on Rob it's no wonder you're retired in some 2 bit apartment in Montana. After a lifetime of chasing nickel slot plays around the country. You're projecting your existence onto me with continuous Hee-Haws and it's sad.
    Last edited by MaxPen; 05-23-2020 at 08:10 AM.

  5. #145
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    I'm not sure which is more hilarious. This new "bet" here or Don S. and Eliot J. feuding on bjtf.
    Oh come on that "feud" is tame. Not even worthy of the term "feud".

    Don just felt the need to let Eliot know he didn't appreciate his acts of treason. As you know I am a strong proponent of frequently reminding (t)Eliot of that as well. he has earned that, so good for Don.

    The odder thing about BJTF is that BoSox still acts like a reasonable member of the community there and here, just a complete jackass and troll.
    link please.
    Page 2 of the "Desirability index" thread over there.

  6. #146
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    I'm not sure which is more hilarious. This new "bet" here or Don S. and Eliot J. feuding on bjtf.
    Oh come on that "feud" is tame. Not even worthy of the term "feud".

    Don just felt the need to let Eliot know he didn't appreciate his acts of treason. As you know I am a strong proponent of frequently reminding (t)Eliot of that as well. he has earned that, so good for Don.

    The odder thing about BJTF is that BoSox still acts like a reasonable member of the community there and here, just a complete jackass and troll.
    Don has no room to talk, as he's buds with Max Rubin.

  7. #147
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Damn, 1 day away and look what I miss.

    Count me as closer to Mickey in that I’m still not sure. And still consider it possible Singer is fucking with everyone. Just not in the way many are thinking.

    I will say if people are willing to wager significant money, it isn’t hard to prove. Even without a wager, the way it is bothering some, get in a car or plane and go meet him. The hell with terms and details, either he or a close family member owns the RV listed on the sales slip or they don’t.

    Surely a small amount to spent to prove the guy a liar once and for all. That would be priceless to a few for some reason.
    Boz, from day one Rob’s story made no sense. They were holes in every part of it.

    One of the main things Rob said that was incorrect is on the statue of limitation. There is none on tax fraud, so Rob could be spending time in jail if his story is true. And Rob knew this was cheating because of what happened to Kane and Nestor.

    That’s the ironic thing about this play. If Rob truly did it, he’d have taken it to his grave since he wouldn’t want the IRS coming after him, and spending his last days in jail. But if he didn’t do it, he has nothing to worry about, so he could spend time trolling this group and having fun.

    By Rob coming out and saying he did it almost proves he didn’t do it.
    I don't follow this place very closely, but I've known of Rob for a long time...going back to the days of Las Vegas Advisor Fezzik's Place (a sports betting forum) and Free For All. I've always thought he was a jerk, but not stupid. Did he actually admit here that he never paid taxes on his 'double up' bug winnings?

    And to give a little context to the bet I've proposed here, it reminds me of the $50K bet between Singer and Fezzik (a prominent handicapper and sports bettor) that never actually happened....probably in the 2008 timeframe It was a riot, but it was Fezzik who backed out. Funny, redietz was posting on those forums then and so was Alan Mendelson (As MoneyLA). Those were the days.
    Last edited by unowme; 05-23-2020 at 09:15 AM.

  8. #148
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    He offeredd to let you see it in Boulder. You could have ended everything right then by going and seeing whether he had it or not. But no you punked out like you always do. Have you forgotten that Rob said the RV will be available for inspection in Phoenix this fall when he puts it up for sale. We'll see what kind of excuse you use then.
    That logic is the reason Pop Tarts come with instructions.

  9. #149
    Now it's for sale? Nice excuse for it to "vanish."

  10. #150
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Damn, 1 day away and look what I miss.

    Count me as closer to Mickey in that I’m still not sure. And still consider it possible Singer is fucking with everyone. Just not in the way many are thinking.

    I will say if people are willing to wager significant money, it isn’t hard to prove. Even without a wager, the way it is bothering some, get in a car or plane and go meet him. The hell with terms and details, either he or a close family member owns the RV listed on the sales slip or they don’t.

    Surely a small amount to spent to prove the guy a liar once and for all. That would be priceless to a few for some reason.
    Boz, from day one Rob’s story made no sense. They were holes in every part of it.

    One of the main things Rob said that was incorrect is on the statue of limitation. There is none on tax fraud, so Rob could be spending time in jail if his story is true. And Rob knew this was cheating because of what happened to Kane and Nestor.

    That’s the ironic thing about this play. If Rob truly did it, he’d have taken it to his grave since he wouldn’t want the IRS coming after him, and spending his last days in jail. But if he didn’t do it, he has nothing to worry about, so he could spend time trolling this group and having fun.

    By Rob coming out and saying he did it almost proves he didn’t do it.
    I don't follow this place very closely, but I've known of Rob for a long time...going back to the days of Las Vegas Advisor Fezzik's Place (a sports betting forum) and Free For All. I've always thought he was a jerk, but not stupid. Did he actually admit here that he never paid taxes on his 'double up' bug winnings?

    And to give a little context to the bet I've proposed here, it reminds me a a $50K bet between Singer and Fezzik (a prominent handicapper and sports bettor) that never happened actually happened....probably in the 2008 timeframe It was a riot, but it was Fezzik who actually backed out. Funny, redietz was posting on those forums then and so was Alan Mendelson (As MoneyLA). Those were the days.
    Never a member there but have read some of it through searching. Pretty funny stuff. I suggest people go read those archives if they're still accessible.

  11. #151
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Boz, from day one Rob’s story made no sense. They were holes in every part of it.

    One of the main things Rob said that was incorrect is on the statue of limitation. There is none on tax fraud, so Rob could be spending time in jail if his story is true. And Rob knew this was cheating because of what happened to Kane and Nestor.

    That’s the ironic thing about this play. If Rob truly did it, he’d have taken it to his grave since he wouldn’t want the IRS coming after him, and spending his last days in jail. But if he didn’t do it, he has nothing to worry about, so he could spend time trolling this group and having fun.

    By Rob coming out and saying he did it almost proves he didn’t do it.
    I don't follow this place very closely, but I've known of Rob for a long time...going back to the days of Las Vegas Advisor Fezzik's Place (a sports betting forum) and Free For All. I've always thought he was a jerk, but not stupid. Did he actually admit here that he never paid taxes on his 'double up' bug winnings?

    And to give a little context to the bet I've proposed here, it reminds me a a $50K bet between Singer and Fezzik (a prominent handicapper and sports bettor) that never happened actually happened....probably in the 2008 timeframe It was a riot, but it was Fezzik who actually backed out. Funny, redietz was posting on those forums then and so was Alan Mendelson (As MoneyLA). Those were the days.
    Never a member there but have read some of it through searching. Pretty funny stuff. I suggest people go read those archives if they're still accessible.
    Most of it is long gone, but one of the greatest of all time is still there...the banning of Rob Singer.

    https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/foru...ll-rob-singer/

    My favorite post "If you ban Singer, he will become stronger than you can possibly imagine."

    There was also a second later wager that came from the Free For All for 300K referenced here in 2011.

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...and-he-accepts!!

    So this could be Singer Challenge III. Has Rob been living in the Luxury Motorhome he claims. Who's in?

  12. #152
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    I don't follow this place very closely, but I've known of Rob for a long time...going back to the days of Las Vegas Advisor Fezzik's Place (a sports betting forum) and Free For All. I've always thought he was a jerk, but not stupid. Did he actually admit here that he never paid taxes on his 'double up' bug winnings?

    And to give a little context to the bet I've proposed here, it reminds me a a $50K bet between Singer and Fezzik (a prominent handicapper and sports bettor) that never happened actually happened....probably in the 2008 timeframe It was a riot, but it was Fezzik who actually backed out. Funny, redietz was posting on those forums then and so was Alan Mendelson (As MoneyLA). Those were the days.
    Never a member there but have read some of it through searching. Pretty funny stuff. I suggest people go read those archives if they're still accessible.
    Most of it is long gone, but one of the greatest of all time is still there...the banning of Rob Singer.

    https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/foru...ll-rob-singer/

    My favorite post "If you ban Singer, he will become stronger than you can possibly imagine."

    There was also a second later wager that came from the Free For All for 300K referenced here in 2011.

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...and-he-accepts!!

    So this could be Singer Challenge III. Has Rob been living in the Luxury Motorhome he claims. Who's in?
    One thing I've noticed is that there is always one individual that go back and forth with Rob on many of the sites. There was Arci here, MKL on WoV, Shadowman on videopoker.com, and probably a few others elsewhere. Makes you wonder if those people were the same.

  13. #153
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    I'm not sure which is more hilarious. This new "bet" here or Don S. and Eliot J. feuding on bjtf.
    The odder thing about BJTF is that BoSox still acts like a reasonable member of the community there and here, just a complete jackass and troll.
    All of this has to do with being on a different board than you. After seeing for myself for years just how you try to dominate every aspect of a forum, just like you own the place, people can't help but lose some of their composure. You drive people nuts and disintegrate entire forums without even being aware of it. I would call you a LOCUST of the internet.

  14. #154
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Damn, 1 day away and look what I miss.

    Count me as closer to Mickey in that I’m still not sure. And still consider it possible Singer is fucking with everyone. Just not in the way many are thinking.

    I will say if people are willing to wager significant money, it isn’t hard to prove. Even without a wager, the way it is bothering some, get in a car or plane and go meet him. The hell with terms and details, either he or a close family member owns the RV listed on the sales slip or they don’t.

    Surely a small amount to spent to prove the guy a liar once and for all. That would be priceless to a few for some reason.
    Boz, from day one Rob’s story made no sense. They were holes in every part of it.

    One of the main things Rob said that was incorrect is on the statue of limitation. There is none on tax fraud, so Rob could be spending time in jail if his story is true. And Rob knew this was cheating because of what happened to Kane and Nestor.

    That’s the ironic thing about this play. If Rob truly did it, he’d have taken it to his grave since he wouldn’t want the IRS coming after him, and spending his last days in jail. But if he didn’t do it, he has nothing to worry about, so he could spend time trolling this group and having fun.

    By Rob coming out and saying he did it almost proves he didn’t do it.
    I don't follow this place very closely, but I've known of Rob for a long time...going back to the days of Las Vegas Advisor Fezzik's Place (a sports betting forum) and Free For All. I've always thought he was a jerk, but not stupid. Did he actually admit here that he never paid taxes on his 'double up' bug winnings?

    And to give a little context to the bet I've proposed here, it reminds me a a $50K bet between Singer and Fezzik (a prominent handicapper and sports bettor) that never happened actually happened....probably in the 2008 timeframe It was a riot, but it was Fezzik who actually backed out. Funny, redietz was posting on those forums then and so was Alan Mendelson (As MoneyLA). Those were the days.
    No, but that pretty much goes without saying. I mean if he’d paid taxes on it, he’d show us his tax returns that he won $2.8 MM in gambling winnings over 4 years. I mean he claimed it was so important to him to get this story out that he couldn’t hold it in. If that’s the case, he’d show us his tax returns.

    Also, Rob would know that showing steady winnings of this magnitude would set off alarm bells at the IRS. I can assure you his tax returns would be flagged for auditing. This would smell of laundering money, and being involved in the drug trade or something like that, so it would be looked into. This is why it’s almost better keeping some of it off his tax returns, even if he did it. But then if Rob did that, he knows he could go to jail for tax fraud. Again, there is no statute of limitations for tax fraud, and I’m sure Rob knows that.

    Again, it’s called common sense stuff. If Rob did this, I doubt if he claimed $2.8 million on his taxes for gambling winnings. And if he didn’t claim this amount and he won this amount, he could go to jail. This has come up before. There are about 100 things you could point to that make no sense in Rob’s story.

    Look, nothing can ever be proved or disproved so people are wasting their time thinking it can be proved or disproved. This is why our standard in court is “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

    Being a scientist, I have had a hard time explaining to people nothing can ever be proved. I see people bringing this up again and again on this site and they don’t get it, nothing can ever be proven! It’s impossible to prove something.

    Look up the definition of prove in scientific terms. Btw, that’s why conspiracy theories abound. Even though I believe the moon landing occurred, I can’t prove it. And there are people out there that still think it was a hoax, and no one can prove they are wrong, no matter how much tv footage you show them. You can’t “prove” it happened.

    This is why Rob’s story can continue no matter how ridiculous it becomes. There’s always gonna be some possible reason for this or that.

    Hopefully Rob doesn’t go off in the twilight zone or UFO explanations for why this or that happened. So far Rob’s story has mostly delt in reality to explain things. And he’s actually getting some people to believe him, like Boz and Mickey, so it’s somewhat working.
    Last edited by Bob21; 05-23-2020 at 09:43 AM.

  15. #155
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Anyone have any guesses as to who this goatshoes sockpuppet is?
    Hi Mickey. I’m not a sock, just a long time lurker who’s enjoying the way Rob’s story is blowing up after reading the saga for so long. If you think I’m a sock, I guess you could ask Dan Druff to compare my IP address to whoever you think my account is a sock for. I don’t have anything to hide as far as that’s concerned.

    In all honesty it was your AP information and stories that brought me here in the first place, so I want to thank you for that! I found it all very fascinating and informative. And I mean that sincerely.

  16. #156
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    That logic is the reason Pop Tarts come with instructions.
    Pop Tarts come with instructions??
    Everyone knows you boil them for 3 minutes!

  17. #157
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Boz, from day one Rob’s story made no sense. They were holes in every part of it.

    One of the main things Rob said that was incorrect is on the statue of limitation. There is none on tax fraud, so Rob could be spending time in jail if his story is true. And Rob knew this was cheating because of what happened to Kane and Nestor.

    That’s the ironic thing about this play. If Rob truly did it, he’d have taken it to his grave since he wouldn’t want the IRS coming after him, and spending his last days in jail. But if he didn’t do it, he has nothing to worry about, so he could spend time trolling this group and having fun.

    By Rob coming out and saying he did it almost proves he didn’t do it.
    I don't follow this place very closely, but I've known of Rob for a long time...going back to the days of Las Vegas Advisor Fezzik's Place (a sports betting forum) and Free For All. I've always thought he was a jerk, but not stupid. Did he actually admit here that he never paid taxes on his 'double up' bug winnings?

    And to give a little context to the bet I've proposed here, it reminds me a a $50K bet between Singer and Fezzik (a prominent handicapper and sports bettor) that never happened actually happened....probably in the 2008 timeframe It was a riot, but it was Fezzik who actually backed out. Funny, redietz was posting on those forums then and so was Alan Mendelson (As MoneyLA). Those were the days.
    No, but that pretty much goes without saying. I mean if he’d paid taxes on it, he’d show us his tax returns that he won $2.8 MM in gambling winnings over 4 years. I mean he claimed it was so important to him to get this story out that he couldn’t hold it in. If that’s the case, he’d show us his tax returns.

    Also, Rob would know that showing steady winnings of this magnitude would set off alarm bells at the IRS. I can assure you his tax returns would be flagged for auditing. This would smell of laundering money, and being involved in the drug trade or something like that, so it would be looked into. This is why it’s almost better keeping some of it off his tax returns, even if he did it. But then if Rob did that, he knows he could go to jail for tax fraud. Again, there is no statute of limitations for tax fraud, and I’m sure Rob knows that.

    Again, it’s called common sense stuff. If Rob did this, I doubt if he claimed $2.8 million on his taxes for gambling winnings. And if he didn’t claim this amount and he won this amount, he could go to jail. This has come up before. There are about 100 things you could point to that make no sense in Rob’s story.

    Look, nothing can ever be proved or disproved so people are wasting their time thinking it can be proved or disproved. This is why our standard in court is “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

    Being a scientist, I have had a hard time explaining to people nothing can ever be proved. I see people bringing this up again and again on this site and they don’t get it, nothing can ever be proven! It’s impossible to prove something.

    Look up the definition of prove in scientific terms. Btw, that’s why conspiracy theories abound. Even though I believe the moon landing occurred, I can’t prove it. And there are people out there that still think it was a hoax, and no one can prove they are wrong, no matter how much tv footage you show them. You can’t “prove” it happened.

    This is why Rob’s story can continue no matter how ridiculous it becomes. There’s always gonna be some possible reason for this or that.

    Hopefully Rob doesn’t go off in the twilight zone or UFO explanations for why this or that happened. So far Rob’s story has mostly delt in reality to explain things. And he’s actually getting some people to believe him, like Boz and Mickey, so it’s somewhat working.
    Bob21 you might be a scientist but you're missing some points about the tax law. If you believe Mr Singer's story then you would know his money is clean because the big wins came with W2Gs.

    In the past Mr Singer claimed he paid for the RV with cash. I asked why he would keep cash on clean money? Makes no sense.

    He then launched a story about other accumulated wealth being used to pay for the RV in cash. Again, other accumulated wealth from his job and investments being held as cash also makes no sense.

    You don't risk cash on clean money... especially a million dollars or more in a home safe.

    Then there is the cash problem at the RV dealership. Even if Mr Singer kept clean money as cash and accepted the risk of loss, the RV dealership would report the cash transaction.

    These are just holes in his story that can't be filled with rational thinking or explanations.

    He dug a hole for himself with his blanket explanation that he keeps no records longer than necessary.

    You know what he'd also keep? Every service report on a million dollars plus RV because the next buyer will want to see them. It's like with a Rolls Royce: you don't buy a Rolls without the service records.

  18. #158
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    That logic is the reason Pop Tarts come with instructions.
    Pop Tarts come with instructions??
    Everyone knows you boil them for 3 minutes!
    You must have read the edited by Mickey version of the instructions.
    All his research info had him determine boiling is the most effective method of preparation.

  19. #159
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    I don't follow this place very closely, but I've known of Rob for a long time...going back to the days of Las Vegas Advisor Fezzik's Place (a sports betting forum) and Free For All. I've always thought he was a jerk, but not stupid. Did he actually admit here that he never paid taxes on his 'double up' bug winnings?

    And to give a little context to the bet I've proposed here, it reminds me a a $50K bet between Singer and Fezzik (a prominent handicapper and sports bettor) that never happened actually happened....probably in the 2008 timeframe It was a riot, but it was Fezzik who actually backed out. Funny, redietz was posting on those forums then and so was Alan Mendelson (As MoneyLA). Those were the days.
    No, but that pretty much goes without saying. I mean if he’d paid taxes on it, he’d show us his tax returns that he won $2.8 MM in gambling winnings over 4 years. I mean he claimed it was so important to him to get this story out that he couldn’t hold it in. If that’s the case, he’d show us his tax returns.

    Also, Rob would know that showing steady winnings of this magnitude would set off alarm bells at the IRS. I can assure you his tax returns would be flagged for auditing. This would smell of laundering money, and being involved in the drug trade or something like that, so it would be looked into. This is why it’s almost better keeping some of it off his tax returns, even if he did it. But then if Rob did that, he knows he could go to jail for tax fraud. Again, there is no statute of limitations for tax fraud, and I’m sure Rob knows that.

    Again, it’s called common sense stuff. If Rob did this, I doubt if he claimed $2.8 million on his taxes for gambling winnings. And if he didn’t claim this amount and he won this amount, he could go to jail. This has come up before. There are about 100 things you could point to that make no sense in Rob’s story.

    Look, nothing can ever be proved or disproved so people are wasting their time thinking it can be proved or disproved. This is why our standard in court is “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

    Being a scientist, I have had a hard time explaining to people nothing can ever be proved. I see people bringing this up again and again on this site and they don’t get it, nothing can ever be proven! It’s impossible to prove something.

    Look up the definition of prove in scientific terms. Btw, that’s why conspiracy theories abound. Even though I believe the moon landing occurred, I can’t prove it. And there are people out there that still think it was a hoax, and no one can prove they are wrong, no matter how much tv footage you show them. You can’t “prove” it happened.

    This is why Rob’s story can continue no matter how ridiculous it becomes. There’s always gonna be some possible reason for this or that.

    Hopefully Rob doesn’t go off in the twilight zone or UFO explanations for why this or that happened. So far Rob’s story has mostly delt in reality to explain things. And he’s actually getting some people to believe him, like Boz and Mickey, so it’s somewhat working.
    Bob21 you might be a scientist but you're missing some points about the tax law. If you believe Mr Singer's story then you would know his money is clean because the big wins came with W2Gs.

    In the past Mr Singer claimed he paid for the RV with cash. I asked why he would keep cash on clean money? Makes no sense.

    He then launched a story about other accumulated wealth being used to pay for the RV in cash. Again, other accumulated wealth from his job and investments being held as cash also makes no sense.

    You don't risk cash on clean money... especially a million dollars or more in a home safe.
    AndrewG, really, how about two seniors worried about future health problems and having a nursing home bleading their life savings dry?

  20. #160
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    I don't follow this place very closely, but I've known of Rob for a long time...going back to the days of Las Vegas Advisor Fezzik's Place (a sports betting forum) and Free For All. I've always thought he was a jerk, but not stupid. Did he actually admit here that he never paid taxes on his 'double up' bug winnings?

    And to give a little context to the bet I've proposed here, it reminds me a a $50K bet between Singer and Fezzik (a prominent handicapper and sports bettor) that never happened actually happened....probably in the 2008 timeframe It was a riot, but it was Fezzik who actually backed out. Funny, redietz was posting on those forums then and so was Alan Mendelson (As MoneyLA). Those were the days.
    No, but that pretty much goes without saying. I mean if he’d paid taxes on it, he’d show us his tax returns that he won $2.8 MM in gambling winnings over 4 years. I mean he claimed it was so important to him to get this story out that he couldn’t hold it in. If that’s the case, he’d show us his tax returns.

    Also, Rob would know that showing steady winnings of this magnitude would set off alarm bells at the IRS. I can assure you his tax returns would be flagged for auditing. This would smell of laundering money, and being involved in the drug trade or something like that, so it would be looked into. This is why it’s almost better keeping some of it off his tax returns, even if he did it. But then if Rob did that, he knows he could go to jail for tax fraud. Again, there is no statute of limitations for tax fraud, and I’m sure Rob knows that.

    Again, it’s called common sense stuff. If Rob did this, I doubt if he claimed $2.8 million on his taxes for gambling winnings. And if he didn’t claim this amount and he won this amount, he could go to jail. This has come up before. There are about 100 things you could point to that make no sense in Rob’s story.

    Look, nothing can ever be proved or disproved so people are wasting their time thinking it can be proved or disproved. This is why our standard in court is “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

    Being a scientist, I have had a hard time explaining to people nothing can ever be proved. I see people bringing this up again and again on this site and they don’t get it, nothing can ever be proven! It’s impossible to prove something.

    Look up the definition of prove in scientific terms. Btw, that’s why conspiracy theories abound. Even though I believe the moon landing occurred, I can’t prove it. And there are people out there that still think it was a hoax, and no one can prove they are wrong, no matter how much tv footage you show them. You can’t “prove” it happened.

    This is why Rob’s story can continue no matter how ridiculous it becomes. There’s always gonna be some possible reason for this or that.

    Hopefully Rob doesn’t go off in the twilight zone or UFO explanations for why this or that happened. So far Rob’s story has mostly delt in reality to explain things. And he’s actually getting some people to believe him, like Boz and Mickey, so it’s somewhat working.
    Bob21 you might be a scientist but you're missing some points about the tax law. If you believe Mr Singer's story then you would know his money is clean because the big wins came with W2Gs.

    In the past Mr Singer claimed he paid for the RV with cash. I asked why he would keep cash on clean money? Makes no sense.

    He then launched a story about other accumulated wealth being used to pay for the RV in cash. Again, other accumulated wealth from his job and investments being held as cash also makes no sense.

    You don't risk cash on clean money... especially a million dollars or more in a home safe.

    Then there is the cash problem at the RV dealership. Even if Mr Singer kept clean money as cash and accepted the risk of loss, the RV dealership would report the cash transaction.

    These are just holes in his story that can't be filled with rational thinking or explanations.

    He dug a hole for himself with his blanket explanation that he keeps no records longer than necessary.

    You know what he'd also keep? Every service report on a million dollars plus RV because the next buyer will want to see them. It's like with a Rolls Royce: you don't buy a Rolls without the service records.
    Andrew, good points! But your first point is wrong: "If you believe Mr Singer's story then you would know his money is clean because the big wins came with W2Gs." It doesn't matter if the big wins came with W2Gs or if they didn't, it's still "dirty money". If you don't believe me reread the wired article. Kane and Nester had to give back the money, and spend time in jail. It didn't matter that they got W2Gs with their big wins. This money was seen as "dirty" by our government. Kane and Nester ended up avoiding a long jail sentence, but they weren't able to keep the money. I think Kane was able to keep some of his, since he said he spent it or he hid it well.

    But make no bones about it, all the money "won" through the DUB was "dirty money". And it doesn't matter who "won" it that way, or how much was "won" at a time. Even though the machines had a bug in them that doesn't make it legal to exploit them. As many people on this site have already pointed out, if you find a bug in a ATM that spits out cash that doesn't make it legal to take it.

    This would have been Rob's biggest problem if he truly exploited the DUB. How to get all this "dirty money" back into circulation? That's not easy. Ask all the big drug dealers. This is how they get caught many times. Trying to get "dirty money" make into circulation. Go try to make a deposit at a bank for $9,900 every day and see what happens. Even if you do it for less, it will set off alarm bells if large cash deposits happen regularly.

    Note that Rob also said he won a lot of money without W2Gs. I mean theoretically, someone could win using the DUB without ever having to get a W2G. The DUB allowed you to win as much or as little as you wanted. As Nester said, it was like "printing money". If I was in the same situation, I'd have won a small amount over many casinos. It's not hard to see how someone could easily win $10,000 a day with the DUB and never get a W2G. But the trick would be getting it into circulation.

    I'm surprised more people didn't bring this up. Once the DUB is found, the easy part is getting the money. The hard part is getting it into circulation so you can buy something big. Like you said, he would NOT have been able to go into a RV dealership and lay out $1.3 million in cash and buy a Newell. They would have had to report him, and he would have known that.

    That's why I continue to say, if he really did it and made this amount of money, he'd have taken it to his grave, because all that money he "won" was "dirty", and he would have know that. There is no way any intelligent person would risk having this come back to bite him by bragging about it. The last thing anybody wants is the IRS sniffing in your finances.

    Now if he didn't do it, then he has nothing to worry about. He can brag all he wants and make up any story he wants and nothing will happen to him. Nobody went to jail bragging about catching the biggest fish, or telling whoppers. All Rob is guilty of is telling whoppers, and that doesn't get you thrown in jail.

    That's why the biggest tell that it didn't happen is Rob saying it did happen. If it did happen, I can assure you Rob or anybody in his position would take it to their grave, and never tell anybody.

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