Your retarded mickey. (sorry if that breaks some sort of alliance I didn't even know we had.Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
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I don't go seeking trouble or confrontations, although they seem to find me fairly often....too often. with players that are intentional misleading other people and players I have called out a total of 3. There have probably been 100 over the years that I thought were making up or exaggerating claims. I have called out 3! It has to be really egregious for me to say something. The blackjack guy and Singer were really egregious, IMO. I think AP's have not only a right but a responsibility to call out that BS.
Now the 3rd, Moses, didn't really hit that really egregious level. I knew he couldn't have been playing blackjack for a living almost immediately upon encountering him. The place he plays, with only a handful of playable games and very sweaty just would never allow a person to play the stakes needed to do so, day in and day out for years or decades. So while I knew he was at least exaggerating his claims, he wasn't really hurting anyone, like the first 2 people I called out. Then Moses started attacking me and my credibility and that shouldn't even have mattered or had an effect. He still wasn't really hurting anyone. He escalated things with personal attacks, so I called him out as a fraud, or at least someone exaggerating his claims. He deserved that, but I still wished I hadn't. His claims hadn't risen to the level that they were harming anyone else.
Now these guys supposedly on our side, that go to work for the "dark side"....same thing. I don't voice my opinion on every one of them. First, while I am an AP and don't like any AP that consults for or works for the dark side, they have a right to do so. Everyone has a right to make a living. And for some of them, it is just about the math. They are so into the math, they relish any opportunity to put it to work. So while I don't like it, I generally don't say too much. Eliot was a special case. I don't want to rehash it again, but the seminars only for the casino industry where he exposed plays they didn't even know about, was a whole different level. And the word on the street that he gave up information on players that he knew or knew of even a higher level. Eliot denies that. Other people continue to insist it happened.
So yeah, these things are a completely different level. A level not seen since probably Revere and he was way before my time. So, yeah, given the chance to express my opinion I did so. Well I guess Max Rubin is in there too at that level. I never really had much chance to interact with Max and now I understand he is not in good health. But whatever. Yeah being on a forum such as this where I am free to voice my opinion of Eliot I did so. I didn't go after him in that I didn't bring the subject up, but when brought up, yeah I voiced my opinion.
WoV is not such a forum where members are free to do that, so I won't. That's all there is to it.
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