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  1. #161
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    When you have something that has been extensively tested and hardened like video poker, it is far far different from a QA guy working on software release. This idea that Rob was methodically going around hoping to find a bug - and a bug that is actually exploitable. I mean, sure you might find something pays wrong, or something else strange, but it would be more likely the bug was not exploitable unlike this DU bug. Literally either this was inside job, or someone got lucky (and a drunk degenerate gambler is just as likely or more). I suppose though that if Rob was smart, he would just attack an area of the software that'd be exploitable but come'on - theres 0 fucking chance of that being true. No one has ever accused Rob of being smart. Most people agree he isn't near as intelligent as our lovely and cunning Tasha.
    Well you're right about that....about Rob not being smart. There's probably 10000 little glitches that don't impact the payout for one that might....and those glitches are few and far between. People are still looking though.

    Here's a good one. There was this Canadian fellow Daniel Corriveau, who in 1994 won 600K playing electronic keno when he realized that the machine was seeded with the same random number every time it was powered off. It so happened Casino Montreal powered off that machine every night when they vacuumed. He picked 19 of 20 numbers three times in a row AND he was cleared of any wrongdoing AND collected his money. That major flaw made it out of QA on a hardened machine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_de_Montr%C3%A9al
    That’s interesting! Thanks for posting the link unowme.

    I think we might have spotted the next bug Rob has exploited. It’s called the Montreal Casino keno bug.
    More likely to find this sort of thing on a cryptocurrency gambling site. The software isn't very mature and a lot of small time development going on with lax QA.

    I'd like to be a gentleman and be the first to officially congratulate Mr. Singer on finding this Keno bug. I'd like to also congratulate him on the private jet in his nephew's name that was paid for by this bug. Good job, Rob. You're the GOAT.

  2. #162
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    I never said I believe Rob Singer about anything. I'm sure I've known he's a jerk a lot longer than you. I just take exception to your comment that the best way to find a bug is by accident. There's an entire software QA industry that finds bugs by brute force and human testing. I've discovered and documented plenty of them myself. It was no accident I found them.
    When you have something that has been extensively tested and hardened like video poker, it is far far different from a QA guy working on software release. This idea that Rob was methodically going around hoping to find a bug - and a bug that is actually exploitable. I mean, sure you might find something pays wrong, or something else strange, but it would be more likely the bug was not exploitable unlike this DU bug. Literally either this was inside job, or someone got lucky (and a drunk degenerate gambler is just as likely or more). I suppose though that if Rob was smart, he would just attack an area of the software that'd be exploitable but come'on - theres 0 fucking chance of that being true. No one has ever accused Rob of being smart. Most people agree he isn't near as intelligent as our lovely and cunning Tasha.
    Well you're right about that....about Rob not being smart. There's probably 10000 little glitches that don't impact the payout for one that might....and those glitches are few and far between. People are still looking though.

    Here's a good one. There was this Canadian fellow Daniel Corriveau, who in 1994 won 600K playing electronic keno when he realized that the machine was seeded with the same random number every time it was powered off. It so happened Casino Montreal powered off that machine every night when they vacuumed. He picked 19 of 20 numbers three times in a row AND he was cleared of any wrongdoing AND collected his money. That major flaw made it out of QA on a hardened machine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_de_Montr%C3%A9al
    Many video game speed runners have figured out the RNG in various games. Watch this live play of Dragon Warrior for the NES by runner NESCardinality. The description and run starts at 7:20.


  3. #163
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Let's just just something straight here. We are supposed to believe that this fiction writer person, owns 2 RV's or vehicles uses for travel. One is a 1.5 million dollar, top of the line Newell and the other a $16,000 camper type that you pull behind your vehicle. AND that he prefers the smaller option, so that is what he uses, while the other sits depreciating a million dollars in the 7 years he has owned it. What's that 150k a year it depreciates.

    Come on, people?? Enough already. But I'll check in tonight for some more fiction reading.
    Grandpa Newell should add some square footage on the back of the pickup for Man Servant Crimm. If Rob sends me a pic of him with the Newell throw pillows and squeegee inside the camper I will pay for the upgrade.

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  4. #164
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
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    Website Please!
    I have some money burning a hole in my pocket for a tent like that.
    I wonder how stable that is?

  5. #165
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Let's just just something straight here. We are supposed to believe that this fiction writer person, owns 2 RV's or vehicles uses for travel. One is a 1.5 million dollar, top of the line Newell and the other a $16,000 camper type that you pull behind your vehicle. AND that he prefers the smaller option, so that is what he uses, while the other sits depreciating a million dollars in the 7 years he has owned it. What's that 150k a year it depreciates.

    Come on, people?? Enough already. But I'll check in tonight for some more fiction reading.
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
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    Website Please!
    I have some money burning a hole in my pocket for a tent like that.
    I wonder how stable that is?
    https://cascadiatents.com/

  6. #166
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Thanks!
    That is huge lol.
    You have to have two large steel plates mounted on your Truck Roof and Bed it appears.
    I never seen this before but it appears youtube is all over it.

  7. #167
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Thanks!
    That is huge lol.
    You have to have two large steel plates mounted on your Truck Roof and Bed it appears.
    I never seen this before but it appears youtube is all over it.
    I have actually contemplated getting the Mt. Ranier model for my Jeep. But I'm not really a camper and think it would be more trouble than it's worth. I'm more of a hit the desert for a day type. Plus I wouldn't fit in garages with it permanently mounted. I have a friend that has the Shasta model and really likes it though.

  8. #168
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    The way you find bugs is the way Kane found it, by accident. And they are best found when you’re really drunk randlomly pushing buttons.
    Well that's not right. There are hundreds of thousands of people whose only job is to test software and look for bugs. Every major software product goes through untold hours of human testing....looking for bugs. Criminals are constantly looking for bugs in Windows and networking devices to exploit design flaws.

    I have owned a small software company for 3 decades and know from experience that even though the world's largest software companies invest huge amounts in testing, they still release products with crazy bugs. Every time I sit down at any machine I look for flaws. Not to cheat it, but that's just part of my thought process. I can guarantee there's buggy software out there...some minor problems others major.
    I'm going to agree with UNowMe on this one. Even though I have never just pressed random variations of buttons or did alternating series' of buttons while putting bills in, switching games, etc. etc., the entire concept of finding new machines to vulture (meaning variable state machines) is first watching the machine and seeing if it is one. Obviously, for me personally, I'm going to watch other people take some spins for free rather than pay to take any spins myself since 95% of machines are not going to be variable state in any beatable way. After that, if I have enough of a theory about it, then I'll read the rules and then I might test my theory. If not, then maybe watch some more, ask if anyone knows anything, see if there are any Youtube videos of it where I can watch it more slowly, etc.

    I'm not going to openly discuss one of the best machines I ever found in public, just in case there's still one or two of them hiding somewhere, but it's one that I have talked to other vultures about and they had either never seen it or were not aware of it being an advantage. It wasn't exactly variable state, but it had certain characteristics that enabled you to basically just sit down and print money. Not $10,000/hour or anything silly like that, but something like $30/hour plus whatever you're going to get from slot points and comps...only thing was it required other people to also be playing.

    I think it lasted about two weeks or a month after I noticed it, don't know how long it was there before I noticed it, not very.

    Anyway, my point is if you're a hustler/vulture type, you do spend a good bit of time eyeballing machines, reading rules screens if something on the main screen looks interesting, things like that...especially if you're waiting for someone to get off a different machine because you have reason to think there's some decent stuff on there. What else are you going to do while you wait? Play roulette?

    FTR: I'm not stating an opinion on the Newell thing and also don't care at all. I do understand that Singer has essentially admitted that his Video Poker, 'Strategy,' or whatever you want to call it, was bullshit...so that satisfies me by itself.
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  9. #169
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Let's just just something straight here. We are supposed to believe that this fiction writer person, owns 2 RV's or vehicles uses for travel. One is a 1.5 million dollar, top of the line Newell and the other a $16,000 camper type that you pull behind your vehicle. AND that he prefers the smaller option, so that is what he uses, while the other sits depreciating a million dollars in the 7 years he has owned it. What's that 150k a year it depreciates.

    Come on, people?? Enough already. But I'll check in tonight for some more fiction reading.
    Grandpa Newell should add some square footage on the back of the pickup for Man Servant Crimm. If Rob sends me a pic of him with the Newell throw pillows and squeegee inside the camper I will pay for the upgrade.

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    wow the guy's an AP from Virginia.

  10. #170
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    wow the guy's an AP from Virginia.
    That has actually been recently made somewhat possible, depending on how much action is in the area you're working.

  11. #171
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    FTR: I'm not stating an opinion on the Newell thing and also don't care at all. I do understand that Singer has essentially admitted that his Video Poker, 'Strategy,' or whatever you want to call it, was bullshit...so that satisfies me by itself.
    No.

    Mr Singer says he went from a profit of about $100k a year from his "system" to a profit of about $466,000 a year using the DUB.

    Mr Singer will never say he was wrong about anything. He only says everyone else including APs are wrong.

  12. #172
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post

    No.

    Mr Singer says he went from a profit of about $100k a year from his "system" to a profit of about $466,000 a year using the DUB.

    Mr Singer will never say he was wrong about anything. He only says everyone else including APs are wrong.
    That's unfortunate, but again, I've only glanced over related threads and maybe watched a combined three minutes of the interview in 30 second increments.

    In any case, as everyone knows, his system is not mathematically viable unless he is playing a positive expectation game to begin with. However, much like other systems, it can come with a high probability of winning an individual trial as well as even several individual trials in a row.

  13. #173
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    The way you find bugs is the way Kane found it, by accident. And they are best found when you’re really drunk randlomly pushing buttons.
    Well that's not right. There are hundreds of thousands of people whose only job is to test software and look for bugs. Every major software product goes through untold hours of human testing....looking for bugs. Criminals are constantly looking for bugs in Windows and networking devices to exploit design flaws.

    I have owned a small software company for 3 decades and know from experience that even though the world's largest software companies invest huge amounts in testing, they still release products with crazy bugs. Every time I sit down at any machine I look for flaws. Not to cheat it, but that's just part of my thought process. I can guarantee there's buggy software out there...some minor problems others major.
    I'm going to agree with UNowMe on this one. Even though I have never just pressed random variations of buttons or did alternating series' of buttons while putting bills in, switching games, etc. etc., the entire concept of finding new machines to vulture (meaning variable state machines) is first watching the machine and seeing if it is one. Obviously, for me personally, I'm going to watch other people take some spins for free rather than pay to take any spins myself since 95% of machines are not going to be variable state in any beatable way. After that, if I have enough of a theory about it, then I'll read the rules and then I might test my theory. If not, then maybe watch some more, ask if anyone knows anything, see if there are any Youtube videos of it where I can watch it more slowly, etc.

    I'm not going to openly discuss one of the best machines I ever found in public, just in case there's still one or two of them hiding somewhere, but it's one that I have talked to other vultures about and they had either never seen it or were not aware of it being an advantage. It wasn't exactly variable state, but it had certain characteristics that enabled you to basically just sit down and print money. Not $10,000/hour or anything silly like that, but something like $30/hour plus whatever you're going to get from slot points and comps...only thing was it required other people to also be playing.

    I think it lasted about two weeks or a month after I noticed it, don't know how long it was there before I noticed it, not very.

    Anyway, my point is if you're a hustler/vulture type, you do spend a good bit of time eyeballing machines, reading rules screens if something on the main screen looks interesting, things like that...especially if you're waiting for someone to get off a different machine because you have reason to think there's some decent stuff on there. What else are you going to do while you wait? Play roulette?

    FTR: I'm not stating an opinion on the Newell thing and also don't care at all. I do understand that Singer has essentially admitted that his Video Poker, 'Strategy,' or whatever you want to call it, was bullshit...so that satisfies me by itself.
    Mission146, I get what you’re saying but what you’ve stated has nothing to do with Rob’s story. One more time, Rob claims he spent “hours” after a video session was over just punching buttons looking for a bug. If you don’t believe me, go back and listen to Rob’s interview.

    I do not believe someone spends hours for years punching buttons after they are done playing a game looking for bugs. The way a bug like this is usually found is by accident or by a drunk person, which is how Kane found it.

    And to reiterate this bug was not easy to find. The following is from the wired article.

    “The forensics investigation of the Game King scam had fallen to John Lasktuky, a 25-year-old clean-cut USC computer engineering graduate.”

    “Armed with the surveillance footage of Kane in action, Lasktusky sat at one of the Game Kings in the lab and began experimenting. Within a few days he was able to reliably reproduce the exploit himself.”

    Look, I can never prove if Rob spent hours each day looking for a bug or something that looked like bugs. But it doesn’t sound reasonable to me. Apparently, it does to you and unowme. Everybody is entitled to their option.

    And this was not the only part of the story that didn’t pass my sniff test. Basically every part of the story made no sense to me. Obviously, it made sense to some people here since Rob has believers. I think it’s more likely the moon landing was a hoax and never happened than Rob exploited the DUB. But again, that’s just my opinion.

  14. #174
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Let's just just something straight here. We are supposed to believe that this fiction writer person, owns 2 RV's or vehicles uses for travel. One is a 1.5 million dollar, top of the line Newell and the other a $16,000 camper type that you pull behind your vehicle. AND that he prefers the smaller option, so that is what he uses, while the other sits depreciating a million dollars in the 7 years he has owned it. What's that 150k a year it depreciates.

    Come on, people?? Enough already. But I'll check in tonight for some more fiction reading.
    Grandpa Newell should add some square footage on the back of the pickup for Man Servant Crimm. If Rob sends me a pic of him with the Newell throw pillows and squeegee inside the camper I will pay for the upgrade.

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    wow the guy's an AP from Virginia.
    Well, Virginia is getting casinos in the next few years. Might as well get prepared now.

  15. #175
    Assuming Rob was actually playing his video poker system often. If anyone had a higher-than-average chance of finding the bug it would have been him. From my understanding His video poker system actually consisted of moving up and down denominations while frequently cashing out(soft profits) and going in and out of the menu switching to different games.

    If you're frequently cashing out moving up and down denominations going into the game menu and switching games, that also means you're frequently inserting tickets while doing all of that. I can almost imagine a situation where if you are doing that enough you might actually run into this situation. I would be much more willing to accept a scenario like that over the fact that Rob was actively searching for something like this and just happened to find it.

    Let's say Rob's wife wanted to get him out of her hair for the day, so she peels him off a couple Benjamins to go play some video poker.

    Now Rob is sitting there playing some quarter video poker where he gets lucky and hits Aces right away on bonus poker so he cashes out and drops down to the nickel denomination while leaving the Ace of sitting there on the screen. While on his last hand he decides to use the double up feature and up Pops or two for him. Anticipating he's probably going to lose and he'll need more money he simultaneously inserts the bill as he chooses his card but lo and behold the dealer draws a deuce but the bill acceptor magically accepted his ticket/bill. Rob being so excited he won the hand, and now that he's got lots of credits he moves back over to the previous game he had the aces on, but some odd reason he decides not to play that game and proceeds to cash out. Boom, he now gets paid for that four of a kind he had sitting on the screen.

  16. #176
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Well that's not right. There are hundreds of thousands of people whose only job is to test software and look for bugs. Every major software product goes through untold hours of human testing....looking for bugs. Criminals are constantly looking for bugs in Windows and networking devices to exploit design flaws.

    I have owned a small software company for 3 decades and know from experience that even though the world's largest software companies invest huge amounts in testing, they still release products with crazy bugs. Every time I sit down at any machine I look for flaws. Not to cheat it, but that's just part of my thought process. I can guarantee there's buggy software out there...some minor problems others major.
    I'm going to agree with UNowMe on this one. Even though I have never just pressed random variations of buttons or did alternating series' of buttons while putting bills in, switching games, etc. etc., the entire concept of finding new machines to vulture (meaning variable state machines) is first watching the machine and seeing if it is one. Obviously, for me personally, I'm going to watch other people take some spins for free rather than pay to take any spins myself since 95% of machines are not going to be variable state in any beatable way. After that, if I have enough of a theory about it, then I'll read the rules and then I might test my theory. If not, then maybe watch some more, ask if anyone knows anything, see if there are any Youtube videos of it where I can watch it more slowly, etc.

    I'm not going to openly discuss one of the best machines I ever found in public, just in case there's still one or two of them hiding somewhere, but it's one that I have talked to other vultures about and they had either never seen it or were not aware of it being an advantage. It wasn't exactly variable state, but it had certain characteristics that enabled you to basically just sit down and print money. Not $10,000/hour or anything silly like that, but something like $30/hour plus whatever you're going to get from slot points and comps...only thing was it required other people to also be playing.

    I think it lasted about two weeks or a month after I noticed it, don't know how long it was there before I noticed it, not very.

    Anyway, my point is if you're a hustler/vulture type, you do spend a good bit of time eyeballing machines, reading rules screens if something on the main screen looks interesting, things like that...especially if you're waiting for someone to get off a different machine because you have reason to think there's some decent stuff on there. What else are you going to do while you wait? Play roulette?

    FTR: I'm not stating an opinion on the Newell thing and also don't care at all. I do understand that Singer has essentially admitted that his Video Poker, 'Strategy,' or whatever you want to call it, was bullshit...so that satisfies me by itself.
    Mission146, I get what you’re saying but what you’ve stated has nothing to do with Rob’s story. One more time, Rob claims he spent “hours” after a video session was over just punching buttons looking for a bug. If you don’t believe me, go back and listen to Rob’s interview.

    I do not believe someone spends hours for years punching buttons after they are done playing a game looking for bugs. The way a bug like this is usually found is by accident or by a drunk person, which is how Kane found it.

    And to reiterate this bug was not easy to find. The following is from the wired article.

    “The forensics investigation of the Game King scam had fallen to John Lasktuky, a 25-year-old clean-cut USC computer engineering graduate.”

    “Armed with the surveillance footage of Kane in action, Lasktusky sat at one of the Game Kings in the lab and began experimenting. Within a few days he was able to reliably reproduce the exploit himself.”

    Look, I can never prove if Rob spent hours each day looking for a bug or something that looked like bugs. But it doesn’t sound reasonable to me. Apparently, it does to you and unowme. Everybody is entitled to their option.

    And this was not the only part of the story that didn’t pass my sniff test. Basically every part of the story made no sense to me. Obviously, it made sense to some people here since Rob has believers. I think it’s more likely the moon landing was a hoax and never happened than Rob exploited the DUB. But again, that’s just my opinion.
    Oddly enough, I think it's more likely that Rob found the double up bug and played it over the fact that the Newell he was posing in, is actually his.

  17. #177
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Mission146, I get what you’re saying but what you’ve stated has nothing to do with Rob’s story. One more time, Rob claims he spent “hours” after a video session was over just punching buttons looking for a bug. If you don’t believe me, go back and listen to Rob’s interview.

    I do not believe someone spends hours for years punching buttons after they are done playing a game looking for bugs. The way a bug like this is usually found is by accident or by a drunk person, which is how Kane found it.

    And to reiterate this bug was not easy to find. The following is from the wired article.

    “The forensics investigation of the Game King scam had fallen to John Lasktuky, a 25-year-old clean-cut USC computer engineering graduate.”

    “Armed with the surveillance footage of Kane in action, Lasktusky sat at one of the Game Kings in the lab and began experimenting. Within a few days he was able to reliably reproduce the exploit himself.”

    Look, I can never prove if Rob spent hours each day looking for a bug or something that looked like bugs. But it doesn’t sound reasonable to me. Apparently, it does to you and unowme. Everybody is entitled to their option.

    And this was not the only part of the story that didn’t pass my sniff test. Basically every part of the story made no sense to me. Obviously, it made sense to some people here since Rob has believers. I think it’s more likely the moon landing was a hoax and never happened than Rob exploited the DUB. But again, that’s just my opinion.
    You will point me to the post where I said Singer's specific story sounds reasonable to me? I have not stated an opinion as to his claims, mainly because I don't care. We know that there was a DUB, that part is interesting, whether Singer knew anything about it or not is of no interest or concern to me.

    I don't know much about it other than there is supposedly an RV, Singer claims to have done the DUB and, at a minimum, he admits that his system is not responsible for all of his winnings...which is at least an improvement.

  18. #178
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Oddly enough, I think it's more likely that Rob found the double up bug and played it over the fact that the Newell he was posing in, is actually his.
    So you're saying there's a chance?
    Care to express that in how many quadrillion to 1.

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  19. #179
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post

    I'm going to agree with UNowMe on this one. Even though I have never just pressed random variations of buttons or did alternating series' of buttons while putting bills in, switching games, etc. etc., the entire concept of finding new machines to vulture (meaning variable state machines) is first watching the machine and seeing if it is one. Obviously, for me personally, I'm going to watch other people take some spins for free rather than pay to take any spins myself since 95% of machines are not going to be variable state in any beatable way. After that, if I have enough of a theory about it, then I'll read the rules and then I might test my theory. If not, then maybe watch some more, ask if anyone knows anything, see if there are any Youtube videos of it where I can watch it more slowly, etc.

    I'm not going to openly discuss one of the best machines I ever found in public, just in case there's still one or two of them hiding somewhere, but it's one that I have talked to other vultures about and they had either never seen it or were not aware of it being an advantage. It wasn't exactly variable state, but it had certain characteristics that enabled you to basically just sit down and print money. Not $10,000/hour or anything silly like that, but something like $30/hour plus whatever you're going to get from slot points and comps...only thing was it required other people to also be playing.

    I think it lasted about two weeks or a month after I noticed it, don't know how long it was there before I noticed it, not very.

    Anyway, my point is if you're a hustler/vulture type, you do spend a good bit of time eyeballing machines, reading rules screens if something on the main screen looks interesting, things like that...especially if you're waiting for someone to get off a different machine because you have reason to think there's some decent stuff on there. What else are you going to do while you wait? Play roulette?

    FTR: I'm not stating an opinion on the Newell thing and also don't care at all. I do understand that Singer has essentially admitted that his Video Poker, 'Strategy,' or whatever you want to call it, was bullshit...so that satisfies me by itself.
    Mission146, I get what you’re saying but what you’ve stated has nothing to do with Rob’s story. One more time, Rob claims he spent “hours” after a video session was over just punching buttons looking for a bug. If you don’t believe me, go back and listen to Rob’s interview.

    I do not believe someone spends hours for years punching buttons after they are done playing a game looking for bugs. The way a bug like this is usually found is by accident or by a drunk person, which is how Kane found it.

    And to reiterate this bug was not easy to find. The following is from the wired article.

    “The forensics investigation of the Game King scam had fallen to John Lasktuky, a 25-year-old clean-cut USC computer engineering graduate.”

    “Armed with the surveillance footage of Kane in action, Lasktusky sat at one of the Game Kings in the lab and began experimenting. Within a few days he was able to reliably reproduce the exploit himself.”

    Look, I can never prove if Rob spent hours each day looking for a bug or something that looked like bugs. But it doesn’t sound reasonable to me. Apparently, it does to you and unowme. Everybody is entitled to their option.

    And this was not the only part of the story that didn’t pass my sniff test. Basically every part of the story made no sense to me. Obviously, it made sense to some people here since Rob has believers. I think it’s more likely the moon landing was a hoax and never happened than Rob exploited the DUB. But again, that’s just my opinion.
    Oddly enough, I think it's more likely that Rob found the double up bug and played it over the fact that the Newell he was posing in, is actually his.
    I mostly agree with you. Obviously the Newell story makes the DUB story even more unbelievable.

    And keeping a pop up pull-behind winnebago and using it for your trips, while you have your $1.5 million dollar Newell sitting in a garage makes no sense, as Kj has already pointed out.

    The whole thing gets silly and silly the more you think of it.

  20. #180
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Assuming Rob was actually playing his video poker system often. If anyone had a higher-than-average chance of finding the bug it would have been him. From my understanding His video poker system actually consisted of moving up and down denominations while frequently cashing out(soft profits) and going in and out of the menu switching to different games.

    If you're frequently cashing out moving up and down denominations going into the game menu and switching games, that also means you're frequently inserting tickets while doing all of that. I can almost imagine a situation where if you are doing that enough you might actually run into this situation. I would be much more willing to accept a scenario like that over the fact that Rob was actively searching for something like this and just happened to find it.

    Let's say Rob's wife wanted to get him out of her hair for the day, so she peels him off a couple Benjamins to go play some video poker.

    Now Rob is sitting there playing some quarter video poker where he gets lucky and hits Aces right away on bonus poker so he cashes out and drops down to the nickel denomination while leaving the Ace of sitting there on the screen. While on his last hand he decides to use the double up feature and up Pops or two for him. Anticipating he's probably going to lose and he'll need more money he simultaneously inserts the bill as he chooses his card but lo and behold the dealer draws a deuce but the bill acceptor magically accepted his ticket/bill. Rob being so excited he won the hand, and now that he's got lots of credits he moves back over to the previous game he had the aces on, but some odd reason he decides not to play that game and proceeds to cash out. Boom, he now gets paid for that four of a kind he had sitting on the screen.
    This is a very good point.Chances of him knowing the DU bug is greater then him owning the Newell but Newell is dependent on DU bug. (Unless he got his money from some other completely dirty source)

    The fact that he is going up and down with his goofball system would have him playing around with the weird edge-cases that involve putting in bills at weird times and so forth.

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