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  1. #1
    Simple bet at 8-1.

    I’m willing to put up $2500 to your $20,000. I’m willing to bet Rob or a family member owns a Newell as of May 20th 2020.

    The simple terms of the bet are Robert Argentino or a close family member (Son in law, daughter in law, daughter, son or wife) can provide a valid registration from any state or a title saying they own a 2008-2013 Newell motor home.

    You have the option of having any state or lawyer prove it is a legitimate document.

    I am willing to have Mike Shackleford, the “Wizard” hold all funds. I will have my money on deposit by 4PM Eastern Wednesday May 27th. You should be willing to do the same.

    You have until 8AM Monday May 25th Eastern to accept this wager.

    And Mike will be the arbiter of any debate on ownership.
    Last edited by The Boz; 05-24-2020 at 07:58 PM.

  2. #2
    I will take that bet at $20,000 even money. I have no idea why you think there is odds involved? Only stipulation I will put on it is it has to be Rob or one of his children. I have no idea if his second cousin or wife's brother owns a Newell or an entire Island in the Pacific.

    This is about Rob Singer. Least I remind you again. Rob claimed he purchased a 2011 Newell RV for 1.5 million dollars with the money from the DU bug. And as proof of that claim he offered pictures of him posing in a 2008 Newell RV at the dealership, 7 miles from his home.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Simple bet at 8-1.

    I’m willing to put up $2500 to your $20,000. I’m willing to bet Rob or a family member owns a Newell as of May 20th 2020.

    The simple terms of the bet are Robert Argentino or a close family member (Son in law, daughter in law, daughter, son or wife) can provide a valid registration from any state or a title saying they own a 2008-2013 Newell motor home.

    You have the option of having any state or lawyer prove it is a legitimate document.

    I am willing to have Mike Shackleford, the “Wizard” hold all funds. I will have my money on deposit by 4PM Eastern Wednesday May 27th. You should be willing to do the same.

    You have until 8AM Monday May 25th at 6AM eastern to accept this wager.

    And Mike will be the arbiter of any debate on ownership.
    Boz, I'm curious where did you came up with 8 -1 odds? Nobody in his right mind would take this bet. Risk $20,000 to win $2,500. That's ridiculous.

    I mean everybody, including you Boz, knows Rob doesn't own a Newell, but that doesn't mean he can't win this bet. I've been around the block more than once to understand how someone could pull this off. The date is suspicious and you know it. Rob said he owned it back in 2011. Why are you saying the date of ownership has to be as of May 20th, 2020?

    And why are the dates of the Newell covering so many years, 2008 - 2013? This makes no sense. Rob said the one he bought was built in 2008. Everything about this smells fishy.

    It sounds like you and Rob have some underhanded way to trick someone into this bet, and then pulling off some con job.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I will take that bet at $20,000 even money. I have no idea why you think there is odds involved? Only stipulation I will put on it is it has to be Rob or one of his children. I have no idea if his second cousin or wife's brother owns a Newell or an entire Island in the Pacific.

    This is about Rob Singer. Least I remind you again. Rob claimed he purchased a 2011 Newell RV for 1.5 million dollars with the money from the DU bug. And as proof of that claim he offered pictures of him posing in a 2008 Newell RV at the dealership, 7 miles from his home.
    So you are backing down? Why not take an easy $2500? I put the terms I am willing to wager up. 8-1 is no different than 1000-1 if you are so sure of your position. No hustle here, just asking for less than fair odds.

    You know I’m willing to close the deal, so why not take my money? Finally there is a forum bet someone is willing to back up their bet with actual cash.

    Surely you trust Mike to handle the cash. Easy $2500 for you. Why the hesitation?

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Simple bet at 8-1.

    I’m willing to put up $2500 to your $20,000. I’m willing to bet Rob or a family member owns a Newell as of May 20th 2020.

    The simple terms of the bet are Robert Argentino or a close family member (Son in law, daughter in law, daughter, son or wife) can provide a valid registration from any state or a title saying they own a 2008-2013 Newell motor home.

    You have the option of having any state or lawyer prove it is a legitimate document.

    I am willing to have Mike Shackleford, the “Wizard” hold all funds. I will have my money on deposit by 4PM Eastern Wednesday May 27th. You should be willing to do the same.

    You have until 8AM Monday May 25th at 6AM eastern to accept this wager.

    And Mike will be the arbiter of any debate on ownership.
    Boz, I'm curious where did you came up with 8 -1 odds? Nobody in his right mind would take this bet. Risk $20,000 to win $2,500. That's ridiculous.

    I mean everybody, including you Boz, knows Rob doesn't own a Newell, but that doesn't mean he can't win this bet. I've been around the block more than once to understand how someone could pull this off. The date is suspicious and you know it. Rob said he owned it back in 2011. Why are you saying the date of ownership has to be May 20th, 2020?

    And why are the dates of the Newell covering so many years, 2008 - 2013? This makes no sense. Rob said the one he bought was built in 2008. Everything about this smells fishy.

    It sounds like you and Rob have some underhanded way to trick someone into this bet, and then pulling off some con job.
    Not at all, and if I was it would be for much more. Only risking what I am willing to lose on what I see as a good opportunity. There are so many variables here, I want to cover my ass on the years.

    It’s a worthwhile wager to put everyone on the spot and might finish this thing once and for all. And regardless of my feelings on the Wizard, I do trust his integrity in a situation like this.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I will take that bet at $20,000 even money. I have no idea why you think there is odds involved? Only stipulation I will put on it is it has to be Rob or one of his children. I have no idea if his second cousin or wife's brother owns a Newell or an entire Island in the Pacific.

    This is about Rob Singer. Least I remind you again. Rob claimed he purchased a 2011 Newell RV for 1.5 million dollars with the money from the DU bug. And as proof of that claim he offered pictures of him posing in a 2008 Newell RV at the dealership, 7 miles from his home.
    So you are backing down? Why not take an easy $2500? I put the terms I am willing to wager up. 8-1 is no different than 1000-1 if you are so sure of your position. No hustle here, just asking for less than fair odds.

    You know I’m willing to close the deal, so why not take my money? Finally there is a forum bet someone is willing to back up their bet with actual cash.

    Surely you trust Mike to handle the cash. Easy $2500 for you. Why the hesitation?
    I am not backing down Boz. I never accepted any such ridiculous bet that has nothing to do with the situation.

    But how about this one: You think Trump is going to win re-election right? I will take 8-1 that Trump loses. Even if I thought Trump might win a close re-election, I would take 8-1 that he loses. That's what you are doing. Throwing out ridiculous odds on a bet that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I will take that bet at $20,000 even money. I have no idea why you think there is odds involved? Only stipulation I will put on it is it has to be Rob or one of his children. I have no idea if his second cousin or wife's brother owns a Newell or an entire Island in the Pacific.

    This is about Rob Singer. Least I remind you again. Rob claimed he purchased a 2011 Newell RV for 1.5 million dollars with the money from the DU bug. And as proof of that claim he offered pictures of him posing in a 2008 Newell RV at the dealership, 7 miles from his home.
    So you are backing down? Why not take an easy $2500? I put the terms I am willing to wager up. 8-1 is no different than 1000-1 if you are so sure of your position. No hustle here, just asking for less than fair odds.

    You know I’m willing to close the deal, so why not take my money? Finally there is a forum bet someone is willing to back up their bet with actual cash.

    Surely you trust Mike to handle the cash. Easy $2500 for you. Why the hesitation?
    I am not backing down Boz. I never accepted any such ridiculous bet that has nothing to do with the situation.

    But how about this one: You think Trump is going to win re-election right? I will take 8-1 that Trump loses. Even if I thought Trump might win a close re-election, I would take 8-1 that he loses. That's what you are doing. Throwing out ridiculous odds on a bet that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
    I agree. If Boz believes Rob's story, he should be willing to put stipulations on it that agree with Rob's story. He wants to take a bet that has little to do with Rob's story. Yes, Rob said he owns a Newell, but he also gave the year of it and when he bought it. Why doesn't Boz's bet cover those parts. Is it because Boz knows those stories are lies?

    Boz's bet has little to do with Rob's actual story. That must mean Boz knows it's not true.

  8. #8
    And by the way, Rob's claim is pretty specific: That in 2013, he purchased a 2011 Newell RV. Did you not see the bill of sale?

    2008 has nothing to do with anything. According to Rob's fairytale, in 2008 he was just going into year 4 of the double up Bug.

    The only reason 2008 has come into the picture is because when Rob drove 7 miles from his home to Arizona Luxury RV's, to take pictures in a RV at their showroom, they didn't have a 2011, so he posed inside a 2008 instead. (we need better laughing emoji's)
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I will take that bet at $20,000 even money. I have no idea why you think there is odds involved? Only stipulation I will put on it is it has to be Rob or one of his children. I have no idea if his second cousin or wife's brother owns a Newell or an entire Island in the Pacific.

    This is about Rob Singer. Least I remind you again. Rob claimed he purchased a 2011 Newell RV for 1.5 million dollars with the money from the DU bug. And as proof of that claim he offered pictures of him posing in a 2008 Newell RV at the dealership, 7 miles from his home.
    So you are backing down? Why not take an easy $2500? I put the terms I am willing to wager up. 8-1 is no different than 1000-1 if you are so sure of your position. No hustle here, just asking for less than fair odds.

    You know I’m willing to close the deal, so why not take my money? Finally there is a forum bet someone is willing to back up their bet with actual cash.

    Surely you trust Mike to handle the cash. Easy $2500 for you. Why the hesitation?
    I am not backing down Boz. I never accepted any such ridiculous bet that has nothing to do with the situation.

    But how about this one: You think Trump is going to win re-election right? I will take 8-1 that Trump loses. Even if I thought Trump might win a close re-election, I would take 8-1 that he loses. That's what you are doing. Throwing out ridiculous odds on a bet that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
    Wow, Max said 1000-1 odds were not fair since Singer is lying.

    I respect you don’t need $2500, not many in America can say that.

    I feel very comfortable this shows you have little confidence in what you have been saying.

    I’ll let it up to others to decide your credibility in refusing this wager.

    Either way, I’m sure it won’t affect your standing in the “AP community”.

    That said the wager stands as listed.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    So you are backing down? Why not take an easy $2500? I put the terms I am willing to wager up. 8-1 is no different than 1000-1 if you are so sure of your position. No hustle here, just asking for less than fair odds.

    You know I’m willing to close the deal, so why not take my money? Finally there is a forum bet someone is willing to back up their bet with actual cash.

    Surely you trust Mike to handle the cash. Easy $2500 for you. Why the hesitation?
    I am not backing down Boz. I never accepted any such ridiculous bet that has nothing to do with the situation.

    But how about this one: You think Trump is going to win re-election right? I will take 8-1 that Trump loses. Even if I thought Trump might win a close re-election, I would take 8-1 that he loses. That's what you are doing. Throwing out ridiculous odds on a bet that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
    Wow, Max said 1000-1 odds were not fair since Singer is lying.

    I respect you don’t need $2500, not many in America can say that.

    I feel very comfortable this shows you have little confidence in what you have been saying.

    I’ll let it up to others to decide your credibility in refusing this wager.

    Either way, I’m sure it won’t affect your standing in the “AP community”.

    That said the wager stands as listed.
    The wager has little to do with Rob's story. I don't know why anybody would take it. In fact, to me it indicates you also don't believe Rob's story.

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    I am not backing down Boz. I never accepted any such ridiculous bet that has nothing to do with the situation.

    But how about this one: You think Trump is going to win re-election right? I will take 8-1 that Trump loses. Even if I thought Trump might win a close re-election, I would take 8-1 that he loses. That's what you are doing. Throwing out ridiculous odds on a bet that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
    Wow, Max said 1000-1 odds were not fair since Singer is lying.

    I respect you don’t need $2500, not many in America can say that.

    I feel very comfortable this shows you have little confidence in what you have been saying.

    I’ll let it up to others to decide your credibility in refusing this wager.

    Either way, I’m sure it won’t affect your standing in the “AP community”.

    That said the wager stands as listed.
    The wager has little to do with Rob's story. I don't know why anybody would take it. In fact, to me it indicates you also don't believe Rob's story.
    Are you saying I’m willing to pay $2500 to show I don’t believe Rob’s story?

    Color me confused as hell? And please help me understand why KJ won’t take my money?

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Wow, Max said 1000-1 odds were not fair since Singer is lying.

    I respect you don’t need $2500, not many in America can say that.

    I feel very comfortable this shows you have little confidence in what you have been saying.

    I’ll let it up to others to decide your credibility in refusing this wager.

    Either way, I’m sure it won’t affect your standing in the “AP community”.

    That said the wager stands as listed.
    The wager has little to do with Rob's story. I don't know why anybody would take it. In fact, to me it indicates you also don't believe Rob's story.
    Are you saying I’m willing to pay $2500 to show I don’t believe Rob’s story?

    Color me confused as hell? And please help me understand why KJ won’t take my money?
    Boz, what I'm saying is Rob said he bought the Newell in 2011, and if I remember right the Newell was built in 2008. Why doesn't your bet say it has to be owned by someone in Rob's family in 2011 and the model has to be 2008?

    I mean when someone buys something that expensive they know what they paid for it, they know what year they bought it and they should know what year it was made. If you're so sure Rob is telling the truth, why are you saying he or a family member has to show ownership by May 20th, 2020 and the model can by any year from 2008 - 2013?

    To me this indicates you aren't believing Rob's story. None of this makes sense.

    And if you're so convinced he owns one, why 8-1 odds. Why not the other way, 1-8 odds. You and Rob obviously have something going on since you're pretty much the last person believing his story, but you obviously don't quite believe all of it.

    Something smells fishy in all this.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Wow, Max said 1000-1 odds were not fair since Singer is lying.
    Did MaxPen say that? Well then I would suggest you contact MaxPen about such a bet. Good luck with that.

    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Either way, I’m sure it won’t affect your standing in the “AP community”.
    You can make all the little comments about my standing in the AP community that you want. I network with a fairly significant number of players and know my standing among real AP's in the community. That is not to say they all appreciate, approve or even understand my participation on some message boards, such as this. But no one questions me as to what I do and my claims and that includes, several pretty big names in the AP community that I am lucky enough to call (internet) friends and network with.

    What you are conflating, Boz, is the AP community with this forum, a forum of conspiracy theorists like yourself and haters that seem to hate people based on things completely unrelated to advantage play, gambling or anything else. So if you are implying that I might not fare too well in a poll on this site....you may be right. I have no idea.

    I think you may be surprised by the results because I think there are people that will separate out that they may not like me for any number of reasons and whether they believe me. You know my saying "It doesn't take much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". I don't think there are really many that don't think I know what I am talking about. I guess the only question is how honest they would be if they don't like me for other reasons. Maybe you should do one if it interests you.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  14. #14
    I will put up the $20k to win $2500 that the Newell Rob posed in is not his, his kid's, or kid's spouse. The only thing I want is an agreeable settlement date and an outline of how you are going to prove that it is his or his immediate family members.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I will put up the $20k to win $2500 that the Newell Rob posed in is not his, his kid's, or kid's spouse. The only thing I want is an agreeable settlement date and an outline of how you are going to prove that it is his or his immediate family members.
    Careful. The more money that's in escrow the more likely things can be created.

  16. #16
    I'm still waiting for Rob to send a pic of him laying in the camper bed with the squeegee and throw pillows from the Newell. An easy $500 for a few minutes effort.
    I won't hold my breath.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I will put up the $20k to win $2500 that the Newell Rob posed in is not his, his kid's, or kid's spouse. The only thing I want is an agreeable settlement date and an outline of how you are going to prove that it is his or his immediate family members.
    Oh HELL! If that is the bet I will take it too. (but MaxPen gets first dibs). I'll take that because I have spoken to the people at Arizona Luxury RV's? Have you spoken to them Boz? I am guessing not.

    Can we get some kind of squeegee side bet as well. Just seems like the squeegee ought to be involved.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I'm still waiting for Rob to send a pic of him laying in the camper bed with the squeegee and throw pillows from the Newell. An easy $500 for a few minutes effort.
    I won't hold my breath.
    ahhh there we go. I forgot about this squeegee wager offer.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I will put up the $20k to win $2500 that the Newell Rob posed in is not his, his kid's, or kid's spouse. The only thing I want is an agreeable settlement date and an outline of how you are going to prove that it is his or his immediate family members.
    Awww yea, so is The Boz - The Bitch or what??

    It is so funny people make up odds then try to call out the other person for not taking them. KJ is perfectly reasonable and also wanting the bet to cover what Rob claimed to be the truth. There could be some form of trickery here. Boz has been saying repeated Rob has some big plan. I still find it hard to believe Rob's pictures in the RV were a serious attempt at convincing anyone.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I'm still waiting for Rob to send a pic of him laying in the camper bed with the squeegee and throw pillows from the Newell. An easy $500 for a few minutes effort.
    I won't hold my breath.
    ahhh there we go. I forgot about this squeegee wager offer.
    Not even a wager. It was a freeroll I offered up. There was a chance I could lose by Rob running back to the Newell store and borrowing the items. That's why I offered another $500 to take a pic from the inside with that RV park out the window.
    And the reason for the time limit. Which still hasn't expired.

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