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  1. #201
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    I don't want to pile it on either but Mr Singer can't win. If he ever proves he really bought the Newell with CASH as he claimed, I will be the first to file with all of Mr Singer's own statements including the video.

    https://www.irs.gov/compliance/whist...nformant-award

    Sorry Mr Singer.
    Since you would still not have seen his tax returns you would have no way of knowing what he claimed as income. That's unsupported speculation. "The IRS is looking for solid information, not an “educated guess” or unsupported speculation. We are also looking for a significant Federal tax issue - this is not a program for resolving personal problems or disputes about a business relationship."
    It’s too late. Alan & KJ are part of a mob. They want blood. At least KJ admitted same.

  2. #202
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Why do we like the camper compared to the Newell that several of you wish we didn't have? Because the truck/camper is far easier to drive, and operating expenses are much much less. Anyone here excited about replacing 8 batteries every four years that cost $600 apiece? You like $850 oil changes? How about 5mpg diesel max? Or maybe you enjoy replacing 8 tires for $7200? Or the 5-figure registration fee??
    Whoever said Rob likely has a relative who works at the Newell plant or dealership was a solid call after reading the above.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  3. #203
    Rob Singer came on this forum and gloated how he deceived IRS auditors about buying groceries, hosting parties, and having restaurant dinners with his wife as valid Schedule C deductions as a professional gambler. Then he publicly claimed he paid CASH for a $1.5-million Newell which begs for a cash transaction report.

    That's enough, isn't it?

  4. #204
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Rob Singer came on this forum and gloated how he deceived IRS auditors about buying groceries, hosting parties, and having restaurant dinners with his wife as valid Schedule C deductions as a professional gambler. Then he publicly claimed he paid CASH for a $1.5-million Newell which begs for a cash transaction report.

    That's enough, isn't it?
    You're telling us that we should believe the person you just told us we should never believe? I'd say that's speculation at best and a vendetta at worst. But hey...if you now think Rob's word is enough to become an IRS whistle-blower on him then it's your civic duty to do it....and give us regular updates. Of course I'm a troublemaker so I'm probably not the best person to ask.

  5. #205
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Why do we like the camper compared to the Newell that several of you wish we didn't have? Because the truck/camper is far easier to drive, and operating expenses are much much less. Anyone here excited about replacing 8 batteries every four years that cost $600 apiece? You like $850 oil changes? How about 5mpg diesel max? Or maybe you enjoy replacing 8 tires for $7200? Or the 5-figure registration fee??
    Whoever said Rob likely has a relative who works at the Newell plant or dealership was a solid call after reading the above.
    Not really. You can get the 8D AGM batteries for a Newell at most auto parts stores for about $460 each. It's a common thing discussed on Newell forums by dudes trying to hold together the 2-4 decade old ones. They worry about such matters because a $4K battery replacement is something for them to worry about. A dude that buys a new Newell will never sweat or mention the oil change cost. When is the last time you heard a purchaser of a new Bugatti talk about the oil change cost? There's plenty of dudes trying to stake a claim in Dreamland with old Lambos and Ferraris that worry about such things. But really most of them are passionate about their rides and do the shit themselves.

    Rob has inflated the poor gas mileage, the cost of batteries, and tires for that matter.
    Last edited by MaxPen; 05-26-2020 at 06:27 PM.

  6. #206
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    he publicly claimed he paid CASH for a $1.5-million Newell which begs for a cash transaction report.
    The Bill of Sale says the sum is to be paid by certified check.

    The bank that converted cash to a certified check would file the CTR, not the dealership...right?

    I recall Rob writing that he withdrew assets held by a financial institution to purchase the RV, then deposited cash to replace those funds.

  7. #207
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Why do we like the camper compared to the Newell that several of you wish we didn't have? Because the truck/camper is far easier to drive, and operating expenses are much much less. Anyone here excited about replacing 8 batteries every four years that cost $600 apiece? You like $850 oil changes? How about 5mpg diesel max? Or maybe you enjoy replacing 8 tires for $7200? Or the 5-figure registration fee??
    Whoever said Rob likely has a relative who works at the Newell plant or dealership was a solid call after reading the above.
    Not really. You can get the 8D AGM batteries for a Newell at most auto parts stores for about $460 each. It's a common thing discussed on Newell forums by dudes trying to hold together the 2-4 decade old ones. They worry about such matters because a $4K battery replacement is something for them to worry about. A dude that buys a new Newell will never sweat or mention the oil change cost. When is the last time you heard a purchaser of a new Bugatti talk about the oil change cost? There's plenty of dudes trying to stake a claim in Dreamland with old Lambos and Ferraris that worry about such things. But really most of them are passionate about their rides and do the shit themselves.

    Rob has inflated the poor gas mileage, the cost of batteries, and tires for that matter.
    You've said this before MaxPen, but I don't understand why Rob is complaining about the operating costs of Newell. So he paid $1.5 million for a Newell, but he's keeping it in the garage because he doesn't have enough money to put gas in it, change the oil, or put new tires on it? That makes no sense.

    I would have bought a less expensive Newell, so I'd have some money left over to put gas in it. That's just me. We're all different. There are still some nice Newells out there for only a million dollars, and then Rob would have some spending cash to keep it running.

    Maybe next time when Rob exploits another bug, he'll think about his purchases more before he makes them. Sounds like Rob got out over his skies with this Newell purchase.

  8. #208
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Assuming Rob was actually playing his video poker system often. If anyone had a higher-than-average chance of finding the bug it would have been him. From my understanding His video poker system actually consisted of moving up and down denominations while frequently cashing out(soft profits) and going in and out of the menu switching to different games.

    If you're frequently cashing out moving up and down denominations going into the game menu and switching games, that also means you're frequently inserting tickets while doing all of that. I can almost imagine a situation where if you are doing that enough you might actually run into this situation. I would be much more willing to accept a scenario like that over the fact that Rob was actively searching for something like this and just happened to find it.

    Let's say Rob's wife wanted to get him out of her hair for the day, so she peels him off a couple Benjamins to go play some video poker.

    Now Rob is sitting there playing some quarter video poker where he gets lucky and hits Aces right away on bonus poker so he cashes out and drops down to the nickel denomination while leaving the Ace of sitting there on the screen. While on his last hand he decides to use the double up feature and up Pops or two for him. Anticipating he's probably going to lose and he'll need more money he simultaneously inserts the bill as he chooses his card but lo and behold the dealer draws a deuce but the bill acceptor magically accepted his ticket/bill. Rob being so excited he won the hand, and now that he's got lots of credits he moves back over to the previous game he had the aces on, but some odd reason he decides not to play that game and proceeds to cash out. Boom, he now gets paid for that four of a kind he had sitting on the screen.
    I will agree that Rob is the kind of player changing denomination frequently that could have stumbled on this double up bug. But he didn't! For each of the few things that say he could have, that it is possible, there are 10 that say he didn't. One of the big ones remains his comments form I think 2013 after the Wired story broke, when during discussion on this very forum, Rob stated "what Kane and Nestor did was illegal and they should go to jail". No one, and I mean no one having done that play would have stated that. If he had been caught which he now claims he feared he would have been sealing his own fate with that comment. You don't commit the brinks heist and then go on internet forums talking about it.

    I will make one point of contention about that comment where you supposed "Rob's wife wanted to get him out of her hair for the day, so she peels him off a couple Benjamins to go play some video poker". Problem with that is you are familiar with Rob's claim regarding his poker play and Singer whatever system. He needed a BR of $57,000 I believe is the number....not a couple benny's.

    And you most certainly know why everything to do with that original claim is BS. Just like all progressive betting systems, that require a large BR to score many small wins, you eventually hit that sequence that you lose the whole amount, wiping out all those wins plus some. Of course Rob with his special (less optimal) plays and rabbit's feet and whatever other hocus pocus he used, somehow never hit those sequences. As always he defied that math.

    But otherwise carry on.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  9. #209
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    Whoever said Rob likely has a relative who works at the Newell plant or dealership was a solid call after reading the above.
    Not really. You can get the 8D AGM batteries for a Newell at most auto parts stores for about $460 each. It's a common thing discussed on Newell forums by dudes trying to hold together the 2-4 decade old ones. They worry about such matters because a $4K battery replacement is something for them to worry about. A dude that buys a new Newell will never sweat or mention the oil change cost. When is the last time you heard a purchaser of a new Bugatti talk about the oil change cost? There's plenty of dudes trying to stake a claim in Dreamland with old Lambos and Ferraris that worry about such things. But really most of them are passionate about their rides and do the shit themselves.

    Rob has inflated the poor gas mileage, the cost of batteries, and tires for that matter.
    You've said this before MaxPen, but I don't understand why Rob is complaining about the operating costs of Newell. So he paid $1.5 million for a Newell, but he's keeping it in the garage because he doesn't have enough money to put gas in it, change the oil, or put new tires on it? That makes no sense.

    I would have bought a less expensive Newell, so I'd have some money left over to put gas in it. That's just me. We're all different. There are still some nice Newells out there for only a million dollars, and then Rob would have some spending cash to keep it running.

    Maybe next time when Rob exploits another bug, he'll think about his purchases more before he makes them. Sounds like Rob got out over his skies with this Newell purchase.
    It's how people like Rob comfort themselves when they can't achieve their dreams. He lies in the bunk/bed, or whatever you call the sleeping spaces in a Minnie Winnie, rocking with every wind gust blowing thru the trailer park. He says to the wife, "At least we're not having to spend $1k on batteries per year and take out a short term loan for an oil change."
    Meanwhile the Newell owners don't even know the wind is gusting and never mention the cost of such trivial things, to them.
    He's also the same dude that laughs at the people pulling the pop-up camper because he feels he's one rung up on the ladder. Meanwhile the Newell owners are partying with the pop-up owners cause they're not jerks.

  10. #210
    This is one of my favorite Monte Python clips. It reminds me of Rob. I don't know him well, but I've got a feeling we've just struck a flesh wound.


  11. #211
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    This is one of my favorite Monte Python clips. It reminds me of Rob. I don't know him well, but I've got a feeling we've just struck a flesh wound.

    Grandpa Newell the Black Knight,,,,I haven't laughed that hard in awhile

  12. #212
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Rob stated "what Kane and Nestor did was illegal and they should go to jail". No one, and I mean no one having done that play would have stated that.
    My understanding is Rob was referring to Kane & Nestor using the DUB to cash out other players' winning hands...not their own.

    If Rob did not do that, then it would be reasonable for him to suggest that what they did was illegal.

  13. #213
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Rob stated "what Kane and Nestor did was illegal and they should go to jail". No one, and I mean no one having done that play would have stated that.
    My understanding is Rob was referring to Kane & Nestor using the DUB to cash out other players' winning hands...not their own.

    If Rob did not do that, then it would be reasonable for him to suggest that what they did was illegal.
    This makes no sense. What makes this play illegal is stepping up the pay table after you've won. It doesn't matter if you found someone else's winning hand or if you generated your own.

    Why would anybody think generating your own winning hand, and then changing the pay table would be legal? Common sense should tell you you're found a bug that wasn't supposed to be there.

    I get someone might want to take advantage of this. But I don't get the logic behind what Rob thinks is legal and isn't legal.

  14. #214
    Bob21, you beat me too the punch. Whether you find a winning play on a machine at a quarter or generate it yourself for a quarter, and then upgrade it to $5, it is the same situation. Simply stating, either both actions are proper or both actions are illegal (depending on your opinion of the bug). There are no brownie points for actually playing/generating the first winning hand.

  15. #215
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Rob stated "what Kane and Nestor did was illegal and they should go to jail". No one, and I mean no one having done that play would have stated that.
    My understanding is Rob was referring to Kane & Nestor using the DUB to cash out other players' winning hands...not their own.

    If Rob did not do that, then it would be reasonable for him to suggest that what they did was illegal.
    That is not the way I remember it coach belly. I just looked for it, hoping to pull a coach belly "gottch ya" moment but couldn't find it. I will look again later in the week when I get home. Maybe you can find it and confirm before then, since this is your expertise.

    However I did find this brief thread talking about the double up feature (not the bug itself but the double up feature). This thread was before the double up bug play became know. Rob has several interesting responses in there that don't seem to fit with someone claiming to have the experience he had with the double up bug/feature. I suppose his retort will be he was trying to throw everyone off the trail. This stuff make Zero sense.

    Gotta Jet. will check back later.

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...deo-poker-game
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  16. #216
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Rob stated "what Kane and Nestor did was illegal and they should go to jail". No one, and I mean no one having done that play would have stated that.
    My understanding is Rob was referring to Kane & Nestor using the DUB to cash out other players' winning hands...not their own.

    If Rob did not do that, then it would be reasonable for him to suggest that what they did was illegal.
    That is not the way I remember it coach belly. I just looked for it, hoping to pull a coach belly "gottch ya" moment but couldn't find it. I will look again later in the week when I get home. Maybe you can find it and confirm before then, since this is your expertise.

    However I did find this brief thread talking about the double up feature (not the bug itself but the double up feature). This thread was before the double up bug play became know. Rob has several interesting responses in there that don't seem to fit with someone claiming to have the experience he had with the double up bug/feature. I suppose his retort will be he was trying to throw everyone off the trail. This stuff make Zero sense.

    Gotta Jet. will check back later.

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...deo-poker-game
    Damn KJ,,,,I think you just took a shot of chopping the Black Knight's head off


    "You don't get slot club points when playing the double-up option.

    I've tried it on quarters years ago, but have since never used it because it's a sucker bet. It plays on a vp player's compulsion. If you do it and lose, you feel like an idiot; do it and win, then you only want to do it again & again until you lose it all.

    I wrote about my big experience with it in Gaming Today, where prior to being banned at Harrah's in LV, I was in there playing my strategy at the $2 level. There was no double-up option capability on any hand until I was dealt a RF. Then it appeared out of nowhere, and in my excitement & confusion somehow my finger pushed YES instead of no! I think it was an 8 that came out. I was disgusted with myself and spent the next hour arguing with staff about my "mistake" but of course I lost. By now, there was maybe two dozen people gathered around to see what the commotion was all about. Eventually I HAD to pick a card while still sunk in my chair. But here comes a 10. $16k and I was out of there on my way home as soon as the cash came to me--of course I didn't leave a tip of any kind, not because of the misadventure, but because I never tip handpays. "-Rob.Singer

  17. #217
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    Last edited by MaxPen; 05-26-2020 at 08:28 PM.

  18. #218
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Rob stated "what Kane and Nestor did was illegal and they should go to jail". No one, and I mean no one having done that play would have stated that.
    My understanding is Rob was referring to Kane & Nestor using the DUB to cash out other players' winning hands...not their own.

    If Rob did not do that, then it would be reasonable for him to suggest that what they did was illegal.
    That is not the way I remember it coach belly. I just looked for it, hoping to pull a coach belly "gottch ya" moment but couldn't find it. I will look again later in the week when I get home. Maybe you can find it and confirm before then, since this is your expertise.

    However I did find this brief thread talking about the double up feature (not the bug itself but the double up feature). This thread was before the double up bug play became know. Rob has several interesting responses in there that don't seem to fit with someone claiming to have the experience he had with the double up bug/feature. I suppose his retort will be he was trying to throw everyone off the trail. This stuff make Zero sense.

    Gotta Jet. will check back later.

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...deo-poker-game
    In that thread Rob states "This happened in the early part of the 2000's--prior to Harrahs being the giant it is today." Obviously his inadvertent double up at Harrah's happened well before Rob discovered the Double Up flaw. Allegedly.

  19. #219
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Maybe Grandpa Newell was high on the drying glue fumes after spending a night or two in his new Newell. Seeing as to how he posted that in the latter part of 2011.
    Referring to an incident in the early 2000's.

  20. #220
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Maybe Grandpa Newell was high on the drying glue fumes after spending a night or two in his new Newell. Seeing as to how he posted that in the latter part of 2011.
    Referring to an incident in the early 2000's.
    I read the dates wrong

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