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  1. #121
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Wait a minute. I'm starting to think the anger here is real. I thought it was all just AP talk. Like the way some black people call each other the 'N' word. You call each other queer gay lovers as a term of endearment, right? Aren't you all homies?

  2. #122
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Grow the fuck up Mickeycrimm! You fell for Rob's shit. You were wrong. Be a man and fucking admit it and stop acting like a 6 year old brat.
    Tell your lover MaxPenis to back off, bitch. You motherfuckers don't get to attack me with your queer bullshit and not get attacked back. Fuck you, punk.
    Says the vitriolic hobo with a 10 year olds diatribe in his signature line.
    Question: Why is KJ so happy?
    Answer: He's got maxpenis in his ass.
    Dan Druff is getting a PM per day from me until he offloads Onehitwonder aka LMR

  3. #123
    Your butt fucking buddy maxpenis started the gay bullshit with me. So tell him to stop or fuck off.

    And I was not duped. You were. I spent a few minutes going over the information on the DUB decided it was highly likely Rob put the play down. Then I moved on not even caring if I was right or wrong because whether its true or not it doesn't effect me.

    You, on the other hand spent months on your computer trying to debunk it. And you spent months looking into Rob's background. You're still doing that shit. You spend hours on the computer everyday looking for something, anything. You're the fucking dupe. You're the idiot. Rob got you to waste all your frickin' time. LMAO!
    Dan Druff is getting a PM per day from me until he offloads Onehitwonder aka LMR

  4. #124
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Your butt fucking buddy maxpenis started the gay bullshit with me. So tell him to stop or fuck off.

    And I was not duped. You were. I spent a few minutes going over the information on the DUB decided it was highly likely Rob put the play down. Then I moved on not even caring if I was right or wrong because whether its true or not it doesn't effect me.

    You, on the other hand spent months on your computer trying to debunk it. And you spent months looking into Rob's background. You're still doing that shit. You spend hours on the computer everyday looking for something, anything. You're the fucking dupe. You're the idiot. Rob got you to waste all your frickin' time. LMAO!
    You need to go back and realize who started in with what. Plus you've always been a gutter fighter. Must be leftover remnants from the hobo days. Just because you're slow doesn't mean everyone else is. Rob was debunked with hours of effort. You've been slurping his knob for months. Even after he ass raped you for years on here.

  5. #125
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Your butt fucking buddy maxpenis started the gay bullshit with me. So tell him to stop or fuck off.

    And I was not duped. You were. I spent a few minutes going over the information on the DUB decided it was highly likely Rob put the play down. Then I moved on not even caring if I was right or wrong because whether its true or not it doesn't effect me.

    You, on the other hand spent months on your computer trying to debunk it. And you spent months looking into Rob's background. You're still doing that shit. You spend hours on the computer everyday looking for something, anything. You're the fucking dupe. You're the idiot. Rob got you to waste all your frickin' time. LMAO!
    You need to go back and realize who started in with what. Plus you've always been a gutter fighter. Must be leftover remnants from the hobo days. Just because you're slow doesn't mean everyone else is. Rob was debunked with hours of effort. You've been slurping his knob for months. Even after he ass raped you for years on here.
    You're all butt hurt, bitch. You started the gay attacks on me. Now you are trying to lie your way out of it like a little bitch. I got no quit in me, cocksucker. Hell will freeze over before I relent to your punk ass. Death before dishonor, motherfucker. Now get back to roasting KJ's rump.
    Dan Druff is getting a PM per day from me until he offloads Onehitwonder aka LMR

  6. #126
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Your butt fucking buddy maxpenis started the gay bullshit with me. So tell him to stop or fuck off.

    And I was not duped. You were. I spent a few minutes going over the information on the DUB decided it was highly likely Rob put the play down. Then I moved on not even caring if I was right or wrong because whether its true or not it doesn't effect me.

    You, on the other hand spent months on your computer trying to debunk it. And you spent months looking into Rob's background. You're still doing that shit. You spend hours on the computer everyday looking for something, anything. You're the fucking dupe. You're the idiot. Rob got you to waste all your frickin' time. LMAO!
    You need to go back and realize who started in with what. Plus you've always been a gutter fighter. Must be leftover remnants from the hobo days. Just because you're slow doesn't mean everyone else is. Rob was debunked with hours of effort. You've been slurping his knob for months. Even after he ass raped you for years on here.
    You're all butt hurt, bitch. You started the gay attacks on me. Now you are trying to lie your way out of it like a little bitch. I got no quit in me, cocksucker. Hell will freeze over before I relent to your punk ass. Death before dishonor, motherfucker. Now get back to roasting KJ's rump, queer.
    You're the one begging KewlJ to get me to lay off....... LMAO..... I'm not butthurt. You're the one letting butthurt flow thru you. I find it funny. Especially when you project your shit onto me. A good example is in your sig line. I've probably used keno, maybe a couple dozen times to take advantage of something. Meanwhile you spent the better part of a decade chasing 2 bit keno plays across the whole state of Montana.
    In this case "no quit" is a fault in your character. You can't admit you're ever wrong. You bought the Singer bullshit hook, line, and sinker. In the hopes he'd turn you onto some machines.In order to salvage the train wreck of a life you've built for yourself, probably. Either that or you just got tired of being slapped silly by his imaginary 9.5" upside your face.
    Last edited by MaxPen; 05-29-2020 at 02:45 PM.

  7. #127
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Okay, I'm going to have to disagree with you here a little. When someone is writing a book like Blackjack Attack, I think there is some literate leeway you have to give them. To me the main take away in Don's book was that each index play didn't have the same value, and he outlined their value in order. I had started playing bj before Blackjack Attack was written and had memorized a lot of index plays, so this was good news. While I didn't throw them all away, his book helped me to understand the importance of each one.

    Regardless of how Don worded some parts of his book, I think everybody would understand knowing more index - or going with a more advanced counting system - will get you more. That almost goes without saying. I mean Don comes right out and says his I18 gets you 90% of what you need. So that means there is still 10% left on the table, if you want to strive for perfection.

    I also think anybody that has read Blackjack Attack has probably read a lot of bj books, so they have a pretty good understanding of indexes, and all the different counting systems. When I started out, I tried to learn a more advanced counting system, but overtime downgraded to hi lo, and sometimes I side counted aces and sevens, along with keeping subliminal track of which low cards I've seen. This seemed to work best for me, for the games I was playing.
    You write with great insight about motives and methods of writing technical material.

    If you didn't read the thread where Don and Norm responded to my post, I would encourage you to do so. I found their particular way of responding to my allegations, not merely what they said, to add a great deal of insight. Read the end part of this:

    https://www.888casino.com/blog/black...illustrious-18

    Cheers & thanks for sharing your thoughts,
    Eliot, my point is more how I read this section in Blackjack Attack, not that everything was said correctly. I understand others might have read it differently. But if you want to get technical, Don never said you won't miss anything by not knowing more indexes. He said "you won't be missing much.", which technically means you will be missing something.

    Also, I don't see Don as a troll. I see him more as a hot head. There's a difference. If someone doesn't agree with Don, he many times goes right into name calling mode, but I've come to realize that is part of being an AP. I get some don't do it (like you), but most do.

    When Don and I got into a disagreement on stocks (or it might have been options) Don got frustrated with me and called me stupid. I didn't take it as anything more than someone who was frustrated. I'm a hot head too at times, so I don't take things too seriously.

    And as far as casinos using I18 to back off counters, I get that might happen in Vegas. But it doesn't happen in my parts. By far the biggest thing that gets APs backed off in my parts is moving their bet with the count. With some of the pit bosses in my local casinos I've got a pretty good relationship, and since they know I like to hear their stories of backing off card counters they will sometimes tell me their latest story about how they backed off some young AP. It's always because they were too obvious, and too dramatic, with their spread.

    Most of these young counters don't play with much cover. They always start at table min, and sometime during the shoe they move their bet up. I get some gamblers do something similar, but not like a counter. I could teach almost any pit boss or dealer to at least flag down a potential counter just by watching their betting pattern.

    My grammars awful, so I don't know what Bosox was saying about me being a good writer. That has never been my strong suit. I noticed after my last post I said "literate leeway", and I should have said "literary leeway", but it was too late to correct it. I guess I could have also said "artistic license", but I figure you got what I meant.

    Anyway, it's good to see you on this forum. Cheers!

  8. #128
    I love this place.

    The Grandpa Newell and Dickey Crimm show.

    Coming to a town near you wherever fine high-end RVs are sold.
    Grandpa Newell is the GOAT

  9. #129
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post

    You need to go back and realize who started in with what. Plus you've always been a gutter fighter. Must be leftover remnants from the hobo days. Just because you're slow doesn't mean everyone else is. Rob was debunked with hours of effort. You've been slurping his knob for months. Even after he ass raped you for years on here.
    You're all butt hurt, bitch. You started the gay attacks on me. Now you are trying to lie your way out of it like a little bitch. I got no quit in me, cocksucker. Hell will freeze over before I relent to your punk ass. Death before dishonor, motherfucker. Now get back to roasting KJ's rump, queer.
    You're the one begging KewlJ to get me to lay off....... LMAO..... I'm not butthurt. You're the one letting butthurt flow thru you. I find it funny. Especially when you project your shit onto me. A good example is in your sig line. I've probably used keno, maybe a couple dozen times to take advantage of something. Meanwhile you spent the better part of a decade chasing 2 bit keno plays across the whole state of Montana.
    In this case "no quit" is a fault in your character. You can't admit you're ever wrong. You bought the Singer bullshit hook, line, and sinker. In the hopes he'd turn you onto some machines.In order to salvage the train wreck of a life you've built for yourself, probably. Either that or you just got tired of being slapped silly by his imaginary 9.5" upside your face.
    You're the begging little bitch. Live with it punk. You started it, I'll end it. Fuck off and die, bitch. Yeah, two-bit $140 an hour video keno plays that I have the talent to find but you don't. I'm the only AP in the country that found them. Meanwhile, you're a poser pro. You hang around with real pros and act like you know what you are doing but all you are doing is copycatting them. Monkey see, monkey do.

    You're such an idiot you think Rob turning me onto a machine is some kind of motivation. You're a moron. If I was interested I would go out and find my own machines. But not interested.

    You are the one that attacked me first and started this feud. You will be the one that quits first. Now beg some more, bitch. And your lover, KJocchio? That bitch attacked me too because of my opinion on the DUB. Death before dishonor, cunts.

    You two fairies should be having fun in California playing beach bitches. Maxpenis loves to slurp KJ's cock.
    Dan Druff is getting a PM per day from me until he offloads Onehitwonder aka LMR

  10. #130
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    You're all butt hurt, bitch. You started the gay attacks on me. Now you are trying to lie your way out of it like a little bitch. I got no quit in me, cocksucker. Hell will freeze over before I relent to your punk ass. Death before dishonor, motherfucker. Now get back to roasting KJ's rump, queer.
    You're the one begging KewlJ to get me to lay off....... LMAO..... I'm not butthurt. You're the one letting butthurt flow thru you. I find it funny. Especially when you project your shit onto me. A good example is in your sig line. I've probably used keno, maybe a couple dozen times to take advantage of something. Meanwhile you spent the better part of a decade chasing 2 bit keno plays across the whole state of Montana.
    In this case "no quit" is a fault in your character. You can't admit you're ever wrong. You bought the Singer bullshit hook, line, and sinker. In the hopes he'd turn you onto some machines.In order to salvage the train wreck of a life you've built for yourself, probably. Either that or you just got tired of being slapped silly by his imaginary 9.5" upside your face.
    You're the begging little bitch. Live with it punk. You started it, I'll end it. Fuck off and die, bitch. Yeah, two-bit $140 an hour video keno plays that I have the talent to find but you don't. I'm the only AP in the country that found them. Meanwhile, you're a poser pro. You hang around with real pros and act like you know what you are doing but all you are doing is copycatting them. Monkey see, monkey do.

    You're such an idiot you think Rob turning me onto a machine is some kind of motivation. You're a moron. If I was interested I would go out and find my own machines. But not interested.

    You are the one that attacked me first and started this feud. You will be the one that quits first. Now beg some more, bitch. And your lover, KJocchio? That bitch attacked me too because of my opinion on the DUB. Death before dishonor, cunts.

    You two fairies should be having fun in California playing beach bitches. Maxpenis loves to slurp KJ's cock.
    Have fun with your crusade and delusions. Don't give yourself another heart attack. Life is best lived with little conflict. I'm not going to quit cause I don't take any interaction on a message board seriously. I'll continue responding with insolence to your vitriolic hobo bullshit. Every time you're wrong you head straight to the nearest gutter. Creature of habit I guess.

  11. #131
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post

    You're the one begging KewlJ to get me to lay off....... LMAO..... I'm not butthurt. You're the one letting butthurt flow thru you. I find it funny. Especially when you project your shit onto me. A good example is in your sig line. I've probably used keno, maybe a couple dozen times to take advantage of something. Meanwhile you spent the better part of a decade chasing 2 bit keno plays across the whole state of Montana.
    In this case "no quit" is a fault in your character. You can't admit you're ever wrong. You bought the Singer bullshit hook, line, and sinker. In the hopes he'd turn you onto some machines.In order to salvage the train wreck of a life you've built for yourself, probably. Either that or you just got tired of being slapped silly by his imaginary 9.5" upside your face.
    You're the begging little bitch. Live with it punk. You started it, I'll end it. Fuck off and die, bitch. Yeah, two-bit $140 an hour video keno plays that I have the talent to find but you don't. I'm the only AP in the country that found them. Meanwhile, you're a poser pro. You hang around with real pros and act like you know what you are doing but all you are doing is copycatting them. Monkey see, monkey do.

    You're such an idiot you think Rob turning me onto a machine is some kind of motivation. You're a moron. If I was interested I would go out and find my own machines. But not interested.

    You are the one that attacked me first and started this feud. You will be the one that quits first. Now beg some more, bitch. And your lover, KJocchio? That bitch attacked me too because of my opinion on the DUB. Death before dishonor, cunts.

    You two fairies should be having fun in California playing beach bitches. Maxpenis loves to slurp KJ's cock.
    Have fun with your crusade and delusions. Don't give yourself another heart attack. Life is best lived with little conflict. I'm not going to quit cause I don't take any interaction on a message board seriously. I'll continue responding with insolence to your vitriolic hobo bullshit. Every time you're wrong you head straight to the nearest gutter. Creature of habit I guess.
    The difference is I admit I'm a gutter motherfucker. You don't because you are to chickenshit. Do you know what that white stuff on your nose is? It's chickenshit. If you can't back it up then don't get involved in gutter warfare.
    Dan Druff is getting a PM per day from me until he offloads Onehitwonder aka LMR

  12. #132
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    My first casino client was in 2004. My first book was on card counting, in 2005. ... people would hire me to explain the stuff I was giving away for free.
    Eliot did not invent any of this, and barely even played. Instead, it was a self-promoting business model. He gave newspaper interviews about blackjack "heat" despite being a mere red-chip player! Then he "retired" from play and wrote redundant books. He blogged about other people's secrets, which he had not personally developed or used. He sold APHeat to 888 Casino. And he used all this publicity to get consulting gigs.
    Last edited by Kim Lee; 06-05-2020 at 01:40 PM.

  13. #133
    Originally Posted by Kim Lee View Post
    He sold APHeat to 888 Casino.
    Other than those posts and a few others, there's 50 times as much bad advice on that site.

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  15. #135
    Originally Posted by Kim Lee View Post
    Here is Eliot consulting:

    Was that Hitlery walking by at 1:10 ?

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