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    There is only so long one can hold back how one really feels. And Mattis finally let our "Divider in Chief" have it. Trump along with Bob21 is so much missing the big picture here. They are trying to say it is about the few looters while thousands are peacefully marching for equal justice and against police brutality.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/polit...ump/index.html

    Wouldn't it be nice if our police weren't even armed. There are several countries where this is the case. I bet Bob didn't even know that.
    https://qz.com/727941/how-do-police-...nt-carry-guns/

    After seeing the coward Trump either hiding in his bunker or telling police to bust heads, I would assume no one in their right mind would ever consider voting for Trump again.

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    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    There is only so long one can hold back how one really feels. And Mattis finally let our "Divider in Chief" have it. Trump along with Bob21 is so much missing the big picture here. They are trying to say it is about the few looters while thousands are peacefully marching for equal justice and against police brutality.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/polit...ump/index.html

    Wouldn't it be nice if our police weren't even armed. There are several countries where this is the case. I bet Bob didn't even know that.
    https://qz.com/727941/how-do-police-...nt-carry-guns/

    After seeing the coward Trump either hiding in his bunker or telling police to bust heads, I would assume no one in their right mind would ever consider voting for Trump again.
    https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...of-crowds.html

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    Thanks for the Coronavirus thread!

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    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    There is only so long one can hold back how one really feels. And Mattis finally let our "Divider in Chief" have it. Trump along with Bob21 is so much missing the big picture here. They are trying to say it is about the few looters while thousands are peacefully marching for equal justice and against police brutality.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/polit...ump/index.html

    Wouldn't it be nice if our police weren't even armed. There are several countries where this is the case. I bet Bob didn't even know that.
    https://qz.com/727941/how-do-police-...nt-carry-guns/

    After seeing the coward Trump either hiding in his bunker or telling police to bust heads, I would assume no one in their right mind would ever consider voting for Trump again.
    "A few looters"?

    Geez dude have you seen the destruction to these cities? Maybe if your store got burned to the ground you'd feel differently.

    As far as cops being unarmed, that's not even an option in this country with our 2nd amendment and there being more firearms than people.

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    Whether the looters themselves or the people trying to defend the stores there’s been several people killed during these break ins, including a 77 year old black police chief and someone getting caught in the wheels of a fedex truck and being drug for blocks after his fellow would be looters tried to hijack the truck at gun point. Both of those incidents in St Louis. The “it’s just property” argument, even if it wasn’t bullshit, isn’t always true.

    Mostly protestors don’t loot or do violent acts is sort of like saying most cops don’t kill black people.
    Last edited by mcap; 06-04-2020 at 08:46 AM.

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    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Whether the looters themselves or the people trying to defend the stores there’s been several people killed during these break ins, including a 77 year old black police chief and someone getting caught in the wheels of a fedex truck and being drug for blocks after his fellow would be looters tried to hijack the truck at gun point. Both of those incidents in St Louis. The “it’s just property” argument, even if it wasn’t bullshit, isn’t always true.
    As I believe all looters should be shot on site, I find this story very heartwarming.

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    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    There is only so long one can hold back how one really feels. And Mattis finally let our "Divider in Chief" have it. Trump along with Bob21 is so much missing the big picture here. They are trying to say it is about the few looters while thousands are peacefully marching for equal justice and against police brutality.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/polit...ump/index.html

    Wouldn't it be nice if our police weren't even armed. There are several countries where this is the case. I bet Bob didn't even know that.
    https://qz.com/727941/how-do-police-...nt-carry-guns/

    After seeing the coward Trump either hiding in his bunker or telling police to bust heads, I would assume no one in their right mind would ever consider voting for Trump again.
    Obama fired Mattis too, idjit.

    The day cops arent armed is the day there will be no more cops. No one is stupid enough to try to do the job unarmed.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 06-04-2020 at 01:30 PM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    Redietz, your blog is supposed to be about gambling but all I've seen so far is hard left drivel. You've got another fantasy going with this microchip thing. With the help of high tech the Chi-Comm's now track their people thru their cell phones. Those cell phones got microchips. There are already eyeglasses and watches with microchips that put people online. These gadgets keep getting smaller and smaller. It don't take a rocket scientist to surmise that one day an implanted microchip will be doing everything for us. You won't even have to hold a phone anymore. We're already being tracked out the ass and being watched by these high tech companies.

    And you, Redietz, think it is dumb to think that one day we will all be implanted with microchips. Surely you aren't that stupid.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    In this blog piece here redietz is giving us the "I'm smart and Americans are dumb" routine. How stupid is that? The stupidist people are always the ones trying to prove how smart they are, like redietz.

    Now, per this piece, redietz thinks the death rate is somewhere between .5% and 1% (From 1 in 100 to 1 in 200) and makes fun of those who think the death rate is more like .1% ( 1 in 1000). Well, the counting certainly isn't over. We have a ways to go but what is it looking like so far?

    So far we have 110,000 deaths.
    Population 328,000,000
    328,000,000/110,000 = 2,982

    So far the death rate is 1 in 2982. It's got a long way to go to get down to 1 in 1000 and will never get down to 1 in 200 much less 1 in 100.

    Wise up, redietz.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    There is only so long one can hold back how one really feels. And Mattis finally let our "Divider in Chief" have it. Trump along with Bob21 is so much missing the big picture here. They are trying to say it is about the few looters while thousands are peacefully marching for equal justice and against police brutality.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/polit...ump/index.html

    Wouldn't it be nice if our police weren't even armed. There are several countries where this is the case. I bet Bob didn't even know that.
    https://qz.com/727941/how-do-police-...nt-carry-guns/

    After seeing the coward Trump either hiding in his bunker or telling police to bust heads, I would assume no one in their right mind would ever consider voting for Trump again.
    Hey MidWest Player, I like your style. You've come out with two guns blazing; the problem is you're on the wrong side of the fence. You're off in left field with your die-hard pothead liberal buddy accountinquestion. First, about liberal counties in Europe disarming their cops, yes, I know that and have mentioned it a couple times on this forum. This article shows what happen when countries disarm their police. Their police become sitting ducks for the bad guy.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/europea...tacks-threats/

    The difference between you and me is I like our cops and I don't want them taken out by the bad guy. It's too bad you think like France, and don't mind police being killed by the bad guy. Btw, do you ever fly the French war flag in front of your house...you know the white one, to show you're a lib?

    As far as General Mattis critizing Trump. That's not surprising. I mean Trump fired Mattis, so he attacked back. This is what people do that are fired. As far as the protest and riots, I think other people have already addressed that so I won't go into it. And I don't think you really believed what you wrote anyway. You just wanted to get conservative riled up. It didn't work with me, because I know your bomb throwing tactics by now.

    As far as the current Race issue, the person that speaks the best to it is Thomas Sowell, a black conservative who grew up in Harlem in the 40 and 50s before the liberals destroyed the black communities and families. If you have time, I challenge you to listen to this 38 min interview where Mr. Sowell discusses his book Intellectuals and Race. It gets good at about 8 mins.



    He discusses how blacks are taught to have no hope in America, due to liberals telling them they have no chance. Blacks didn't think like this back in the 50s when they faced far more obstacles. Is it any wonder there are so many riots today? He's also written a good book called Black Rednecks and White Liberals, and written a couple books on slavery and the Civil Rights movement.

    I have read about a dozen of his books. If you have time, and want to learn how the liberals have destroyed blacks and the underclass, you should read some of his books. It'd give you something else to do rather than just throwing bombs, and looking like Bozo the clown.
    Last edited by Bob21; 06-04-2020 at 07:02 PM.

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    I'm pretty sure that Mattis resigned. Not sure why history has to be rewritten to make a point. If you have to rewrite history, perhaps you don't have a point worth making in the first place.
    Last edited by wasilla; 06-04-2020 at 09:52 PM.

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    Originally Posted by wasilla View Post
    I'm pretty sure that Mattis resigned. Not sure why history has to be rewritten to make a point. If you have to rewrite history, perhaps you don't have a point worth making in the first place.
    Yes, you are so right. Bob just likes to distort the facts. Here is the fact check.
    https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/202...act-check.html

    But what would you expect from someone who believes in young earth creationism. Just more nonsense that goes against all rational thinking.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

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    Originally Posted by wasilla View Post
    I'm pretty sure that Mattis resigned. Not sure why history has to be rewritten to make a point. If you have to rewrite history, perhaps you don't have a point worth making in the first place.
    wasilla, have you read any articles about this? Here is Trump's version: "Probably the only thing Barack Obama and I have in common is that we both had the honor of firing Jim Mattis, the world's most overrated General. I asked for his letter of resignation, & felt great about. His nickname was 'Chaos', which I didn't like, & changed it to 'Mad Dog,'"

    wasilla, I've read a couple of your posts so I can tell you're fairly shallow and naive. You're a liberal like MWP, so what more needs to be said?

    But just so you know so you don't keep looking like an idiot this is how most high level people in companies and politics are let go. They are allowed to save face and turn in their resignation. If Mattis hadn't turned in his resignation, I can assure you he'd have been fired by Trump.
    Last edited by Bob21; 06-05-2020 at 03:59 AM.

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    Originally Posted by wasilla View Post
    I'm pretty sure that Mattis resigned. Not sure why history has to be rewritten to make a point. If you have to rewrite history, perhaps you don't have a point worth making in the first place.
    The ultimatum to Mattis was resign or get fired.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by wasilla View Post
    I'm pretty sure that Mattis resigned. Not sure why history has to be rewritten to make a point. If you have to rewrite history, perhaps you don't have a point worth making in the first place.
    The ultimatum to Mattis was resign or get fired.
    Bullshit.

    If you don’t trust the NY Times, I’ll cite Fox News, the Military Times, and the Washington Examiner.

    Mattis resigned. https://www.foxnews.com/us/mattis-re...hes-with-trump.

    According to that left wing rag Military Times https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...od-at-the-job/, Mattis had planned a departure date of late February. “Initially, Trump called Mattis' departure a “retirement” and praised the outgoing defense secretary for “tremendous progress” in implementing his plans to build up military funding and readiness.”

    But then Trump got his panties in a bunch and removed Mattis three days later.

    The article goes on to note that A Military Times poll conducted in late September found that nearly 84 percent of troops had a favorable view of Mattis' work leading the armed forces. Among officers, the figure was almost 90 percent.

    Trump then appointed an acting replacement, Shanahan, whose nomination for the permanent position was withdrawn when it was revealed that he shielded his son after the son beat his mother with a baseball bat so brutally it cracked her skull and left her unconscious in a pool of blood. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...n-self-defense

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Yes, you are so right. Bob just likes to distort the facts. Here is the fact check.
    https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/202...act-check.html
    MWP, why would you think the New York Times would know more about this situation than Mattis or Trump? Being a liberal newspaper, it’s clear the NYT is going to side with Mattis. I don’t think anybody will ever know the whole story...so no matter how you look at it, it’s going to come down to “he said, she said” type of argument, and each side is going to believe their guy.

    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    But what would you expect from someone who believes in young earth creationism. Just more nonsense that goes against all rational thinking.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism
    As far as attacking me for being a young earth creationist that was a low blow, and came out of nowhere. This is what liberals typically do when they lose an argument. Accountinquestiin and Redietz have done the same thing.

    Liberals think by making fun of people who believe in the Bible or God this somehow this makes them morally superior to others. I thought you were better than that MWP, but I now see you’ve sunk to their level.

    Since you made fun of me for being a creationist, does that mean you are an evolutionist? I go to Universities to defend my position. When are you going to be giving lectures at Universities defending your position? Please let me know so I can sit on the front row. You can be sure I’ll be the first person asking you questions.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    But what would you expect from someone who believes in young earth creationism. Just more nonsense that goes against all rational thinking.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism
    As far as attacking me for being a young earth creationist that was a low blow, and came out of nowhere. This is what liberals typically do when they lose an argument. Accountinquestiin and Redietz have done the same thing.

    Liberals think by making fun of people who believe in the Bible or God this somehow this makes them morally superior to others. I thought you were better than that MWP, but I now see you’ve sunk to their level.

    Since you made fun of me for being a creationist, does that mean you are an evolutionist? I go to Universities to defend my position. When are you going to be giving lectures at Universities defending your position? Please let me know so I can sit on the front row. You can be sure I’ll be the first person asking you questions.
    Bob, I kind of agree that was a low blow. You always came across as a smart guy to me so I was shocked when you said you believe in young earth creationism. To tell the truth I never heard of such a thing until I heard it from you.

    When I was in first grade over 60 years ago the nuns put up these nice pictures explaining how God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day. Those nice colored pictures showing each day of creation are still vivid in my mind. But you know what. The nuns then explained just because we call a day 24 hours doesn't mean that's the time period God uses. God's day might be millions of years.

    I do think most scientists reject the literal interpretation of the Bible. I don't have the answer to creation. It surely wasn't this nonsense that mankind has been on this earth for only 6,000 to 10,000 years, and I was surprised you believed it.

    I find it hard to believe in strict evolution. I like to think it is a combination of the two, both evolution and creation. I think of it this way. God might of made a bear and put him on this earth, then evolution kicked in and the bears evolved in the different species like black bear, grizzly bear, polar bear, panda etc.
    Last edited by Midwest Player; 06-06-2020 at 12:03 AM.

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    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by wasilla View Post
    I'm pretty sure that Mattis resigned. Not sure why history has to be rewritten to make a point. If you have to rewrite history, perhaps you don't have a point worth making in the first place.
    wasilla, have you read any articles about this? Here is Trump's version: "Probably the only thing Barack Obama and I have in common is that we both had the honor of firing Jim Mattis, the world's most overrated General. I asked for his letter of resignation, & felt great about. His nickname was 'Chaos', which I didn't like, & changed it to 'Mad Dog,'"

    wasilla, I've read a couple of your posts so I can tell you're fairly shallow and naive. You're a liberal like MWP, so what more needs to be said?

    But just so you know so you don't keep looking like an idiot this is how most high level people in companies and politics are let go. They are allowed to save face and turn in their resignation. If Mattis hadn't turned in his resignation, I can assure you he'd have been fired by Trump.
    Your first paragraph is like how a normal person talks with someone whom he disagrees with. The Mattis hiring and resigning was big news. I did follow it and I did read articles. Thanks for the Trump version. I did know about it. It has 2 parts. The first part claims Trump fired him. I saw no reporting at the time, and neither Trump or Mattis statements at the time indicated this. John Kelly has also come out to say that Trump did not fire Mattis. You'll take Trump at his word and I won't. I prefer to go where evidence leads me. Guess I'm shallow like that. The second part is fact checkable. Did Trump change the Mattis nickname to Mad Dog. He did not. Mattis already had this nickname pre-Trump. It was widely reported that Mattis did not like this nickname, but Trump used it anyway. It's interesting how he talked about him then, when he resigned, a couple days after the resignation, and now.
    I've heard about the resignation saving face move. I haven't heard of the resignation saving face, remove early, and insult a couple days later move. Seems to defeat the purpose. I must be too shallowly idiotically naïve too grasp it.
    Are you guaranteeing MWP that Trump would have fired him or does he still get the never know for sure stance? Did you happen to notice vpbob's articles?
    I seriously don't care what you want to believe about Trump. My question is why you think others need to believe counterfactuals.

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by wasilla View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by wasilla View Post
    I'm pretty sure that Mattis resigned. Not sure why history has to be rewritten to make a point. If you have to rewrite history, perhaps you don't have a point worth making in the first place.
    wasilla, have you read any articles about this? Here is Trump's version: "Probably the only thing Barack Obama and I have in common is that we both had the honor of firing Jim Mattis, the world's most overrated General. I asked for his letter of resignation, & felt great about. His nickname was 'Chaos', which I didn't like, & changed it to 'Mad Dog,'"

    wasilla, I've read a couple of your posts so I can tell you're fairly shallow and naive. You're a liberal like MWP, so what more needs to be said?

    But just so you know so you don't keep looking like an idiot this is how most high level people in companies and politics are let go. They are allowed to save face and turn in their resignation. If Mattis hadn't turned in his resignation, I can assure you he'd have been fired by Trump.
    Your first paragraph is like how a normal person talks with someone whom he disagrees with. The Mattis hiring and resigning was big news. I did follow it and I did read articles. Thanks for the Trump version. I did know about it. It has 2 parts. The first part claims Trump fired him. I saw no reporting at the time, and neither Trump or Mattis statements at the time indicated this. John Kelly has also come out to say that Trump did not fire Mattis. You'll take Trump at his word and I won't. I prefer to go where evidence leads me. Guess I'm shallow like that. The second part is fact checkable. Did Trump change the Mattis nickname to Mad Dog. He did not. Mattis already had this nickname pre-Trump. It was widely reported that Mattis did not like this nickname, but Trump used it anyway. It's interesting how he talked about him then, when he resigned, a couple days after the resignation, and now.
    I've heard about the resignation saving face move. I haven't heard of the resignation saving face, remove early, and insult a couple days later move. Seems to defeat the purpose. I must be too shallowly idiotically naïve too grasp it.
    Are you guaranteeing MWP that Trump would have fired him or does he still get the never know for sure stance? Did you happen to notice vpbob's articles?
    I seriously don't care what you want to believe about Trump. My question is why you think others need to believe counterfactuals.
    Did you read my comments to MWP? It’s always going to be a “he said, she said” situation. No one is going to ever know the real story except these two men, and they are both going to spin it their way. I’ve acknowledged that up front.

    You can obviously tell there is bad blood between the two of them. What transipired before the resignation is probably only known between Mattis and Trump.

    The fact that Trump made some positive comments about Marttis after Mattis resigned shows Trump was trying to take the high ground and allow Mattianto to save face. Regardless of what you think, the public understands something was not going right if a resignation occurred, and this applies to anybody.

    At that time, Trump obviously didn’t know Mattis would become a sleaze ball and stab him in the back through the liberal media. And it’s pretty obvious Mattis is a sleaze ball.

    Most people would consider it classless to attack a sitting president, after serving on his staff. But I know with libs anything is fair game.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    But what would you expect from someone who believes in young earth creationism. Just more nonsense that goes against all rational thinking.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism
    As far as attacking me for being a young earth creationist that was a low blow, and came out of nowhere. This is what liberals typically do when they lose an argument. Accountinquestiin and Redietz have done the same thing.

    Liberals think by making fun of people who believe in the Bible or God this somehow this makes them morally superior to others. I thought you were better than that MWP, but I now see you’ve sunk to their level.

    Since you made fun of me for being a creationist, does that mean you are an evolutionist? I go to Universities to defend my position. When are you going to be giving lectures at Universities defending your position? Please let me know so I can sit on the front row. You can be sure I’ll be the first person asking you questions.
    Bob, I kind of agree that was a low blow. You always came across as a smart guy to me so I was shocked when you said you believe in young earth creationism. To tell the truth I never heard of such a thing until I heard it from you.

    When I was in first grade over 60 years ago the nuns put up these nice pictures explaining how God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day. Those nice colored pictures showing each day of creation are still vivid in my mind. But you know what. The nuns then explained just because we call a day 24 hours doesn't mean that's the time period God uses. God's day might be millions of years.

    I do think most scientists reject the literal interpretation of the Bible. I don't have the answer to creation. It surely wasn't this nonsense that mankind has been on this earth for only 6,000 to 10,000 years, and I was surprised you believed it.

    I find it hard to believe in strict evolution. I like to think it is a combination of the two, both evolution and creation. I think of it this way. God might of made a bear and put him on this earth, then evolution kicked in and the bears evolved in the different species like black bear, grizzly bear, polar bear, panda etc.
    That’s a decent post MWP. I was where you were up until about 35. I had graduated with a PhD in one of the sciences from a prestigious university when someone I respected called into question some of my beliefs on evolution and the age of the earth/universe.

    Only being a moderate liberal at that time, I spent the next several years researching the topic myself, spending hours in the library at that time. I also had some personal correspondence with some of the founders of the young earth creation movement, such as Henry Morris, who is mentioned in the Wickepedia article.

    I have supported the Institue of Creation Research and visited them when they were in California and also when they relocated to Dallas. Recently, I went to lunch with the person who runs the Instute of Creation Research when I was in Dallas. We have some lively debates. It’s a fastinating area once you get into it.

    I don’t do it anymore, but I used to give quite a few lectures at universities and churchs on creation. I have a secular version, which never discusses the Bible, and a religious version for churches, which show how the first 11 chapters of Genesis completely agree with science, much better than the evolution model.

    It’s interesting you’re a Catholic since I get some of my most positive responses from Catholics. After one of my lectures at a university, a young female catholic student come up to me afterwords and asked me if I would come to her church and speak on creation, which I did.

    So I’ve spoke at Catholic Churches, even though I’m not a Catholic. I’ve found most priests and pastors are more or less old earth theistic evolutionists until I show them the error of their ways. The Bible is accurate - and scienctific - all the way back to Genesis. But I get that is not the primary purpose of the Bible.

    It helps when I show people that the majority of the founders of our scientific disciplines were creationists and Science could, in fact, only have come from a creationist view point of the world.

    Yes, today the majority of the scientists are old earth evolutionist, but it’s only because it has been drilled into them at a young age through our liberal schools. I know because I was one of those scientists, until I spent time looking into it and realized I had been wrong. I’ve never been scared to be challenged and when I find I’m wrong, I change my mind.
    Last edited by Bob21; 06-06-2020 at 05:16 AM.

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