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  1. #41
    I'm for policing. They keep law and order. Unfortunately with great power comes great abuse of power (to paraphrase a favorite comics character).

    I have seen it time and again for myself.

    It was much worse btw in the past. Nearly the entire NYC police force was dirty back in the 70's (robbing drug dealers, extortion of drug dealers and partners with organized crime).

    We are much better now (To my knowledge). If we can improve in that area I know we can improve on the racial interaction of the police and minorities

    Left or right, we all seem to agree police brutality by itself is something that is inexcusable

  2. #42
    Race relations in this country will never be resolved as long as black punks and thugs keep on representing the largest portions of our prison system--which will never change. Such an abnormally high percentage of them like to think of themselves as tough and feared that none of this will ever change. It is no different than the unsolvable problem that exists between Israel and the Palestinians. And we do not have a police brutality problem of white vs. black. Look at ALL the stats and you'll stumble thru that false argument worse than Sleepy Joe.

    George Floyd's pathetic but expected violent criminal background will never be talked about on CNN on the libtard networks. The embarrassment is just too much for them. The thug isn't and has never been anything close to being a big-lipped "role model" and every living being knows that. They also know that, although the cop killed him in a most despicable and hateful way, society is better without such a thug in the long run. The silver lining that will never get aired.....

    OK, so now the nutjob liberals want to defund and dismantle the police. Par for the insane course. Can you imagine a Minneapolis armed car-jacking 911 call, where the dispatcher says "we're immediately sending out a social worker, a diversity manager, and an inclusion specialist to help you?" 90% of the thug population will relocate to the Twin Cities, where they'll take the SomaliTrolleys into their wildest dreams.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Race relations in this country will never be resolved as long as black punks and thugs keep on representing the largest portions of our prison system--which will never change. Such an abnormally high percentage of them like to think of themselves as tough and feared that none of this will ever change. It is no different than the unsolvable problem that exists between Israel and the Palestinians. And we do not have a police brutality problem of white vs. black. Look at ALL the stats and you'll stumble thru that false argument worse than Sleepy Joe.

    George Floyd's pathetic but expected violent criminal background will never be talked about on CNN on the libtard networks. The embarrassment is just too much for them. The thug isn't and has never been anything close to being a big-lipped "role model" and every living being knows that. They also know that, although the cop killed him in a most despicable and hateful way, society is better without such a thug in the long run. The silver lining that will never get aired.....

    OK, so now the nutjob liberals want to defund and dismantle the police. Par for the insane course. Can you imagine a Minneapolis armed car-jacking 911 call, where the dispatcher says "we're immediately sending out a social worker, a diversity manager, and an inclusion specialist to help you?" 90% of the thug population will relocate to the Twin Cities, where they'll take the SomaliTrolleys into their wildest dreams.
    Are those Somali Trolleys manufactured by Newell in their wildest dreams?

  4. #44
    Here's another big liberal voice on FNC, Juan Williams.



    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Here's another big liberal voice on FNC, Juan Williams.



    The point of the liberal voice on Fox is so he can be ridiculed by the right. Most of the liberal arguments he gives are half handed.

    That's why I don't watch Fox and that's probably why Fox viewers think liberals are nuts. Because they watch the nutty liberal paid Bozos on Fox.

    Better off watching CNN

    I will admit that I enjoy watching Judge Napolitano. At least when it comes to law analysis I find his judgement based on the law as opposed to that nutjob cross-eyed woman at 11pm est

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post

    The point of the liberal voice on Fox is so he can be ridiculed by the right. Most of the liberal arguments he gives are half handed.

    That's why I don't watch Fox and that's probably why Fox viewers think liberals are nuts. Because they watch the nutty liberal paid Bozos on Fox.

    Better off watching CNN
    Meh. Read everything, watch almost nothing. At least, for me.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Here's another big liberal voice on FNC, Juan Williams.



    The point of the liberal voice on Fox is so he can be ridiculed by the right. Most of the liberal arguments he gives are half handed.

    That's why I don't watch Fox and that's probably why Fox viewers think liberals are nuts. Because they watch the nutty liberal paid Bozos on Fox.

    Better off watching CNN

    I will admit that I enjoy watching Judge Napolitano. At least when it comes to law analysis I find his judgement based on the law as opposed to that nutjob cross-eyed woman at 11pm est
    I already seen your argument coming, darkoz. Deny that they are any good. That's the excuses you lefties have to make. The liberals I've put up in this thread are better debaters and commentators than those on CNN and MSNBC.

    On FNC you are dealing with conservative debaters that will debate any and all liberals. On CNN and MSNBC the liberals are to afraid to debate. The reason why is their arguments are weak. They always get their asses hand to them.

    So continue on getting your one-sided opinions from CNN but you are not informed if you don't listen to both sides. Don't try to tell me that you are.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #48
    Meanwhile NASCAR gives in and bans the Rebel Flag. Ignoring the current trend, it’s one of the worst business decisions ever. They were a failing business model for the past 19 years since Dale died. The ratings and attendance numbers don’t lie. Show me any sport removing seats year after year. And now they have alienated many of their fans who don’t see the flag as racist.

    Truly the model of “Get Woke, Go broke”. It will be up to others to decide if this was the final straw, but I’m betting this won’t exactly attract minority fans.

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Here's another big liberal voice on FNC, Juan Williams.



    The point of the liberal voice on Fox is so he can be ridiculed by the right. Most of the liberal arguments he gives are half handed.

    That's why I don't watch Fox and that's probably why Fox viewers think liberals are nuts. Because they watch the nutty liberal paid Bozos on Fox.

    Better off watching CNN

    I will admit that I enjoy watching Judge Napolitano. At least when it comes to law analysis I find his judgement based on the law as opposed to that nutjob cross-eyed woman at 11pm est
    I already seen your argument coming, darkoz. Deny that they are any good. That's the excuses you lefties have to make. The liberals I've put up in this thread are better debaters and commentators than those on CNN and MSNBC.

    On FNC you are dealing with conservative debaters that will debate any and all liberals. On CNN and MSNBC the liberals are to afraid to debate. The reason why is their arguments are weak. They always get their asses hand to them.

    So continue on getting your one-sided opinions from CNN but you are not informed if you don't listen to both sides. Don't try to tell me that you are.
    I do listen to both sides.

    I find the Fox arguments crazy.

    I'm honest enough to recognize you feel the same way about liberal attitudes.

    I understand you more than you think. I just disagree with your opinion.

    And the few things I agree with I will say so regardless of political affiliation. I wish I witnessed more of that on either side.

    People voting with their hearts and minds instead of just for their political party.

    For example, it's possible to put together comparison videos from both networks where they disparage one president, then compliment the next. For exactly the same policy.

    It's hypocrisy that annoys me most whether CNN or Fox.

    My views make me see the hypocrisy more on the right but I see it everywhere

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Meanwhile NASCAR gives in and bans the Rebel Flag. Ignoring the current trend, it’s one of the worst business decisions ever. They were a failing business model for the past 19 years since Dale died. The ratings and attendance numbers don’t lie. Show me any sport removing seats year after year. And now they have alienated many of their fans who don’t see the flag as racist.

    Truly the model of “Get Woke, Go broke”. It will be up to others to decide if this was the final straw, but I’m betting this won’t exactly attract minority fans.
    It's always in a company's best interest to avoid controversy. Easier to take the neutral (flag not shown) argument than the (we support a flag some people see as racist) argument.

    Personally if I was a Nascar fan taking away a flag wouldn't make me stop watching. I doubt they were real fans if they do

  11. #51
    Yea, the guys representing the left on Fox are so lol. I figured that out years ago.

    So Fox news puts up some weak guy who isn't particularly good at defending legitimate liberal takes on things and the wingnuts pat themselves on the back for listening to 'fair and balanced' coverage.

    Colmes.. who knows who they have now. I don't watch TV news but would still prefer CNN with their liberal crap. If you really think Fox News is some like debate platform or something to hear valid dissenting opinions then you have to be one seriously uneducated simpleton hobo.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  12. #52
    Double post
    Last edited by The Boz; 06-10-2020 at 03:52 PM.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Meanwhile NASCAR gives in and bans the Rebel Flag. Ignoring the current trend, it’s one of the worst business decisions ever. They were a failing business model for the past 19 years since Dale died. The ratings and attendance numbers don’t lie. Show me any sport removing seats year after year. And now they have alienated many of their fans who don’t see the flag as racist.

    Truly the model of “Get Woke, Go broke”. It will be up to others to decide if this was the final straw, but I’m betting this won’t exactly attract minority fans.
    It's always in a company's best interest to avoid controversy. Easier to take the neutral (flag not shown) argument than the (we support a flag some people see as racist) argument.

    Personally if I was a Nascar fan taking away a flag wouldn't make me stop watching. I doubt they were real fans if they do
    I think it’s a unique situation. It was and is a sport that was big 20 years ago, check the numbers. It’s been dying over the years and really only draws ratings in the Deep South. And you can argue their base is “racist” or is just still loyal to the C flag.

    Either way it’s a bad business decision that seems to upset the base if you read Social Media. My point is it doesn’t help a failing business. My guess is it would become a regional series in the next decade without this. I’m only saying it doesn’t help and it was an over reaction to a situation. And I question how many were flown at each race. Of course you can argue one is too many, but that’s a reaction compared to a good business decision.

    Just one story if interested.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davecal.../#505cc22e1df5

    And another from a racing site.

    https://www.jayski.com/2018-nascar-tv-ratings/
    Last edited by The Boz; 06-10-2020 at 04:13 PM.

  14. #54
    If anyone wants to see fast cars, just go to an overpass on your local freeway.

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Meanwhile NASCAR gives in and bans the Rebel Flag. Ignoring the current trend, it’s one of the worst business decisions ever. They were a failing business model for the past 19 years since Dale died. The ratings and attendance numbers don’t lie. Show me any sport removing seats year after year. And now they have alienated many of their fans who don’t see the flag as racist.

    Truly the model of “Get Woke, Go broke”. It will be up to others to decide if this was the final straw, but I’m betting this won’t exactly attract minority fans.
    Some rioter just got injured when they pulled down a confederate statue onto one of their own.
    Darwin Award candidates?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.13n...2-24070631250a

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    And the few things I agree with I will say so regardless of political affiliation. I wish I witnessed more of that on either side.
    Darkoz, when I read comments like this from you, it indicates you don't understand the other side. If you did, you would understand that there is no middle ground between conservatives and liberals on the majority of issues.

    This is because our views of the role of government are totally different. Conservatives believe the primary role of government is to provide protection, while the liberals view the government as being involved in every part of our lives, including social engineering, and how much we save for retirement.

    Take abortion: There is no middle ground. You either believe in the right of the mother to kill her unborn baby, or you believe in the right of the unborn baby to live. Most conservatives would side on the right of the baby to live, because it did nothing wrong to deserve a death sentence. Most liberals will side on the right of the mother to kill her unborn baby, since it's still in her stomach. I get both sides, but I also see why there is no middle ground.

    Take the death penalty: Conservatives believe it's the government's role to punish bad people, and the worse crime is taking someone else's life so the punishment by the Sate should be death. Liberals, in general, don't believe in the death penalty, that is as long as you aren't an unborn baby, then liberals are okay with the death penalty.

    I could go on and on. Bottom line is in most cases there is no middle ground. Liberals think middle ground is discussing how some liberal welfare program should be altered so it worked better. A conservative would just want to eliminate it, since this shouldn't be what government does.

    Then you have goofballs like accountinquestion, who say things both sides agree with, which have nothing to do with the conservative or liberal debate. Like his belief that police should be held accountable. I have not met one conservative or liberal who would disagree with this statement. Accountinquestion said that's why people are protesting and rioting; it's because there are a lot of people who don't believe in police accountability. When I asked him who these people are, he went silent.

    Btw, that's why accountinquestion is my favorite poster. He says stupid stuff all the time, and doesn't even know it...but, by the way, he did once date a Mexican. Lol. That's my favorite quote by him. He thinks this makes him a compassionate liberal.

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    And the few things I agree with I will say so regardless of political affiliation. I wish I witnessed more of that on either side.
    Darkoz, when I read comments like this from you, it indicates you don't understand the other side. If you did, you would understand that there is no middle ground between conservatives and liberals on the majority of issues.

    This is because our views of the role of government are totally different. Conservatives believe the primary role of government is to provide protection, while the liberals view the government as being involved in every part of our lives, including social engineering, and how much we save for retirement.

    Take abortion: There is no middle ground. You either believe in the right of the mother to kill her unborn baby, or you believe in the right of the unborn baby to live. Most conservatives would side on the right of the baby to live, because it did nothing wrong to deserve a death sentence. Most liberals will side on the right of the mother to kill her unborn baby, since it's still in her stomach. I get both sides, but I also see why there is no middle ground.

    Take the death penalty: Conservatives believe it's the government's role to punish bad people, and the worse crime is taking someone else's life so the punishment by the Sate should be death. Liberals, in general, don't believe in the death penalty, that is as long as you aren't an unborn baby, then liberals are okay with the death penalty.

    I could go on and on. Bottom line is in most cases there is no middle ground. Liberals think middle ground is discussing how some liberal welfare program should be altered so it worked better. A conservative would just want to eliminate it, since this shouldn't be what government does.

    Then you have goofballs like accountinquestion, who say things both sides agree with, which have nothing to do with the conservative or liberal debate. Like his belief that police should be held accountable. I have not met one conservative or liberal who would disagree with this statement. Accountinquestion said that's why people are protesting and rioting; it's because there are a lot of people who don't believe in police accountability. When I asked him who these people are, he went silent.

    Btw, that's why accountinquestion is my favorite poster. He says stupid stuff all the time, and doesn't even know it...but, by the way, he did once date a Mexican. Lol. That's my favorite quote by him. He thinks this makes him a compassionate liberal.
    I guess I am a weird liberal.

    I am for women's right to choose.

    I am also for the death penalty although I would like restrictions to be it can only be used when there is absolutely no benefit of the doubt (ie the crime is caught on tape).

    I am against illegals coming here but don't want to kick out those who have been here awhile and contribute to society or have established family here.

    I am not against finding middle ground but yes there are some issues that's impossible like abortion

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Take abortion: There is no middle ground. You either believe in the right of the mother to kill her unborn baby, or you believe in the right of the unborn baby to live. Most conservatives would side on the right of the baby to live, because it did nothing wrong to deserve a death sentence. Most liberals will side on the right of the mother to kill her unborn baby, since it's still in her stomach. I get both sides, but I also see why there is no middle ground.
    Middle Ground #1: Leave it for the states to decide by way of direct vote on an individual basis because nothing in The Constitution stipulates that the Federal Government should have anything to do with it.

    Middle Ground #2: Retain for rape, incest, risk of death to the mother, yada, yada.

    As far as #1, abortion gets banned in a place like Alabama with, what, 70% of the vote probably? Let them ban it. If the Liberals are really that concerned about transportation, etc. etc, then they can set up networks to use their own cars, own money and own gas to go pick someone up and take her to a state where it is legal...of which there will be plenty.

    On a personal level, I'm all pro-choice, all the time. First trimester, second trimester, third trimester...two and a half minutes before she's scheduled to give birth, fuck do I care?

    Take the death penalty: Conservatives believe it's the government's role to punish bad people, and the worse crime is taking someone else's life so the punishment by the Sate should be death. Liberals, in general, don't believe in the death penalty, that is as long as you aren't an unborn baby, then liberals are okay with the death penalty.
    Middle Ground: You could stipulate the death penalty for certain crimes that have undeniable evidence and fit a certain category. Really, there should be three categories of jury finding:

    -Innocent
    -Guilty (Beyond a Reasonable Doubt)
    -Guilty Beyond Doubt

    You've got some guy on camera gunning down eight people, cops show up before he's even out of the camera frame; there you go. Liberals REALLY love spending tax money, though, so maybe killing the guy gets the Government off too cheaply for their liking? I don't know. The appeals process (Habeas Corpus, and all) would go a hell of a lot faster if you only did sentenced to death with undeniable evidence.

    Also, anyone convicted of anything should be given the right to summary assisted suicide. Saves money.

    I could go on and on. Bottom line is in most cases there is no middle ground. Liberals think middle ground is discussing how some liberal welfare program should be altered so it worked better. A conservative would just want to eliminate it, since this shouldn't be what government does.
    Yeah, and the so-called Conservatives would just find something somehow more ridiculous to spend it on.

    Then you have goofballs like accountinquestion, who say things both sides agree with, which have nothing to do with the conservative or liberal debate. Like his belief that police should be held accountable. I have not met one conservative or liberal who would disagree with this statement. Accountinquestion said that's why people are protesting and rioting; it's because there are a lot of people who don't believe in police accountability. When I asked him who these people are, he went silent.
    A not insignificant number of police, apparently. Although, I think most of them believe that. It's a tribalistic thing, like just about anything else, really. They can talk all the accountability they want, but do you really want to be the guy that sticks his neck out throwing the first stone at a fellow tribesman?

    Btw, that's why accountinquestion is my favorite poster. He says stupid stuff all the time, and doesn't even know it...but, by the way, he did once date a Mexican. Lol. That's my favorite quote by him. He thinks this makes him a compassionate liberal.
    I'm not a compassionate Liberal and I'll see his once dated a Mexican and raise him two. I'm just kidding around, though, I don't know much about Accountinquestion. Not kidding about dating the Mexican women, though.

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post

    Then you have goofballs like accountinquestion, who say things both sides agree with, which have nothing to do with the conservative or liberal debate. Like his belief that police should be held accountable. I have not met one conservative or liberal who would disagree with this statement. Accountinquestion said that's why people are protesting and rioting; it's because there are a lot of people who don't believe in police accountability. When I asked him who these people are, he went silent.
    A not insignificant number of police, apparently. Although, I think most of them believe that. It's a tribalistic thing, like just about anything else, really. They can talk all the accountability they want, but do you really want to be the guy that sticks his neck out throwing the first stone at a fellow tribesman?

    Btw, that's why accountinquestion is my favorite poster. He says stupid stuff all the time, and doesn't even know it...but, by the way, he did once date a Mexican. Lol. That's my favorite quote by him. He thinks this makes him a compassionate liberal.
    I'm not a compassionate Liberal and I'll see his once dated a Mexican and raise him two. I'm just kidding around, though, I don't know much about Accountinquestion. Not kidding about dating the Mexican women, though.
    Bob21 is a creepy and very trashy person who I have zero respect for. He intentionally puts words in others mouths and will then play victim card. Tedious and he clearly lacks any integrity.

    Basically Bob21's whole point is to make 5-7 paragraph posts which go on and on about what his perception of a liberal is. He doesn't want to debate or discuss things, just some weird mental illness where every issue was caused by liberals and he thinks it is his role in life to inform you.

    You'd literally be 10x better off having a political discussion with Mickey Crimm.

    Oh yea, and now apparently he is obsessed with me. Not sure why... I can repeat myself and clarify his nonsense but he'll just make up more shit. He is a trash person and not worth clarifying.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    I am against illegals coming here but don't want to kick out those who have been here awhile and contribute to society or have established family here.
    Darkoz, take this one statement by you. It sounds good on the surface, but how could you make a law to accomplish this? This is what liberals do all the time; they don't think things though. This is why we have such a mess in all our inner cites. They have these warm and fuzzy ideas that sound good on the surface, but they don't know how to put them into laws.

    So what is the law you'd like to see put in place to accomplish your objective. Let's see now, you want to make it against the law to come here illegally, but at the same time, if someone was able to sneak into America illegally without getting caught, and they can show they are contributing to society, then we'll make them legal and let them stay.

    Wow, that's going to be some dozy of a law to accomplish that.

    This sounds like you're really for illegal immigration, as long as the person can escape capture for a couple years. You're basically for people jumping ahead in line of those playing by the rules trying to come here legally.

    When you come up with statements like this, there are a lot of things you need to think through. How long does the person have to be here illegally, before you will make them a legal citizen? If they escape capture for 6 months do you send them back? If it's a year do you let them stay? How long do they have to escape capture and break the law, before you make them a legal citizen? What law will be in place to qualify them as "contributing to society"? Who makes that decision? There is a lot to sort through here.

    Here's what liberals don't get, we're a nation of laws. You need to put your beliefs into law. How do you put your statement into law? Warm and fuzzy statements don't cut it. I can assure you when you think through your statement, there is no law that could accomplish what you are for.

    And what you are for will ultimately lead to a mass of people coming here illegally, since you'll have laws on the books that says we'll make you a legal citizen as long as you can escape arrest for some time period.

    Yes, it sounds like you're for criminals, since that is what an illegal alien is. I can see you didn't vote for Trump....and yes, you most definitely are a liberal. This is how liberals think.

    This is my problem with liberals, they don't think through their beliefs very well. And most really don't know what they believe.

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