Originally Posted by
Darkoz
Originally Posted by
Bob21
Darkoz, take this one statement by you. It sounds good on the surface, but how could you make a law to accomplish this? This is what liberals do all the time; they don't think things though. This is why we have such a mess in all our inner cites. They have these warm and fuzzy ideas that sound good on the surface, but they don't know how to put them into laws.
So what is the law you'd like to see put in place to accomplish your objective. Let's see now, you want to make it against the law to come here illegally, but at the same time, if someone was able to sneak into America illegally without getting caught, and they can show they are contributing to society, then we'll make them legal and let them stay.
Wow, that's going to be some dozy of a law to accomplish that.
This sounds like you're really for illegal immigration, as long as the person can escape capture for a couple years. You're basically for people jumping ahead in line of those playing by the rules trying to come here legally.
When you come up with statements like this, there are a lot of things you need to think through. How long does the person have to be here illegally, before you will make them a legal citizen? If they escape capture for 6 months do you send them back? If it's a year do you let them stay? How long do they have to escape capture and break the law, before you make them a legal citizen? What law will be in place to qualify them as "contributing to society"? Who makes that decision? There is a lot to sort through here.
Here's what liberals don't get, we're a nation of laws. You need to put your beliefs into law. How do you put your statement into law? Warm and fuzzy statements don't cut it. I can assure you when you think through your statement, there is no law that could accomplish what you are for.
And what you are for will ultimately lead to a mass of people coming here illegally, since you'll have laws on the books that says we'll make you a legal citizen as long as you can escape arrest for some time period.
Yes, it sounds like you're for criminals, since that is what an illegal alien is. I can see you didn't vote for Trump....and yes, you most definitely are a liberal. This is how liberals think.
This is my problem with liberals, they don't think through their beliefs very well. And most really don't know what they believe.
Bob21,
Are you for rape?
I'm quite certain you are not!
You must be aware there is a statute of limitations in most states for rape.
That's right, an American rapist can get away with his crimes simply by not having it reported for the statute of limitations.
Here is another example of hypocrisy. Why be so angry that illegals who's only crime is wanting to be American and have managed to get away with it for a lengthy time BUT righties don't seem too upset about rapists that manage to get away with their crimes. They don't appear to fight anywhere near as hard to keep rapists from escaping through the statute of limitations boundaries
So you asked how any such law would be written? I would say look to laws that let rapists escape prosecution by statute of limitations.
Hey why not make it the same amount of time as a rapist gets. Then at least you can say illegal immigration is as bad as rape.
But do something!
Now we’re getting to your real position. You’re okay with illegal immigration. You don’t believe our country should enforce the laws it has on the books when it comes to immigration.
If liberals like you believe this, why don’t you work to change the law? To a conservative your position makes no sense. It makes no sense to have laws but then just ignore them, but I know this is how liberals think.
Same with drugs. If you want to make them legal, then fine try to make them legal. But as long as states have laws against drugs, people should obey the law or work to get rid of it.
That’s accountinquestion’s problem with conservative states; they enforce the laws on their books. Since accountinquestion is a druggy, or he’d probably rather us refer to him as a pothead, he’d rather conservatives states just ignore their laws, kind of like you are with our immigration laws.
Liberals like to pick and choose the laws they think our country should enforce. This makes no sense to a conservative.
As far as immigration, this is one the primary roles of all governments, even liberal governments. It’s to protect their borders. I get liberals don’t understand that. But if a country has no boarders or immigration laws than it really isn’t a country. And I get a lot of liberals would prefer there are no countries or borders, but for now that’s not the case.
As far as stature of limitations and rape, where do you come up with that line of reasoning on how conservatives think? I don’t know of any conservative that thinks this way. I had to research the topic after you made your comment, and you’re correct there is a statute of limitations for rape. I don’t know if you know this, but after the Bill Cosby rape cases, California has changed their laws and now there is no statue of limitations on rape.
I don’t know why laws are in place on stature of limitations on crimes such as rape. I doubt if it was conservatives who did this. I expect it was liberals, since liberals are the ones that are soft on crime. I will be spending time researching this, and let you know what I find. It probably came about during the 60s when libs were putting new laws in place to make our country soft on crime.
And I get more liberals are starting to get it, and wanting our country to become tougher on crime. A standard joke is a liberal who is someone who hasn’t been robbed, or raped or had someone in their family murdered. Once one of these crimes gets committed on them, they become a conservative pretty quick.
My first boss said he’s seen a lot of young liberals out of graduate school become conservatives pretty quick when they get their first check and saw how much the government took out of it. It was a shock to me, going from making almost nothing in graduate school (I got a small stipend) to getting paid quite a lot in my first job, and seeing how much money goes to the government.
Again you and I are going to see government very differently. I see it more the way our Founders set it up. The government is there to promote freedom, and protect us and not interfere in our lives. And you see it more as something that intrudes in every part of our lives. I know you’re not big on the concepts of freedom or law and order.