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[Bob21]

I'd start with kneeling on someone's neck for ten minutes. Shooting an unarmed person who is being compliant...there's a video where a cop is demanding that a dude crawl over to him, on his knees, with his hands clasped and behind his head without falling. That the kid is unarmed is the most obvious thing in the entire world. You guessed it, cops killed him. I'm not sure, but I think the cop got off.

Here it is:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mesa-po...turbing-video/

I forgot, he had to keep his feet crossed as he crawled on his knees with his hands interlaced behind his head. Prosecution suggests he was trying to pull his shorts up so he could comply, he could have told the officer that, except the officer said he would be killed if he spoke.

When I say the officer got off, I don't just mean in his pants, he was also acquitted.

Didn't look like resisting to me! There's a video on the link.

---I wouldn't say he, "Started," the movement. Or, if he did, I don't think that was his intention.



The last example aside, who would you protest against? Where would you protest at? Are you going to gather by the hundreds and walk around with signs that say, "END DRIVE-BY SHOOTINGS!"? There's no entity out there actively sanctioning drive-by shootings. You would actually have to know where the perpetrators are to go and protest against them.

There is only one type of black life that matters to this group. The black who is a career criminal who dies while being arrested. That’s a strange cause to protest and riot for. Welcome to America 2020.

With all due respect, your last sentence is too ridiculous to warrant a response.

I’m still missing your point mission146. I have said numerous times there are bad police officers that should be help accountability and punished under our criminal justice system. Please reread some
of my posts. You seem to ignore these parts.

You don’t need to keep providing links to cases where a policeman did something wrong. I get it, there are some bad police officers out there.

I’ll repeat one more time. There are close to a million police officers in America. It is impossible to make everyone perfect. Out of a million people there are going to be some bad apples. That’s just basic stats. That is true in any society, with any race, and with any profession.

That’s why we have our criminal justice system. To deal with this, bad apples in our society.

So you say the protesters are protesting against police brutality and for social justice. Can you name me one person who is for police brutality and against social justice? I can’t find anyone. So these protesters are basically protesting against something where there is nobody on the other side.

Look, I get it, this is much more than that. This is the Left seeing an opportunity to take advantage of the situation and move us more to socialism. And I understand most the people protesting are puppets and don’t even know that.

[Mission146]

I’m still missing your point mission146. I have said numerous times there are bad police officers that should be help accountability and punished under our criminal justice system. Please reread some
of my posts. You seem to ignore these parts.

You don’t need to keep providing links to cases where a policeman did something wrong. I get it, there are some bad police officers out there.

I’ll repeat one more time. There are close to a million police officers in America. It is impossible to make everyone perfect. Out of a million people there are going to be some bad apples. That’s just basic stats. That is true in any society, with any race, and with any profession.

That’s why we have our criminal justice system. To deal with this, bad apples in our society.

So you say the protesters are protesting against police brutality and for social justice. Can you name me one person who is for police brutality and against social justice? I can’t find anyone. So these protesters are basically protesting against something where there is nobody on the other side.

Look, I get it, this is much more than that. This is the Left seeing an opportunity to take advantage of the situation and move us more to socialism. And I understand most the people protesting are puppets and don’t even know that.

You asked what my reforms would be and that's what my point is. There is no possible world, if you watched that video, that the guy should get off for murder charges. There was clear intent and premeditation to kill, he gave the kid instructions that were all but impossible to perfectly follow in the first place, then shot him when he failed to follow them. The officer clearly wanted any excuse in the world to shoot him.

I think one thing that I would do is that trials for cops in the line of duty would be bench trials (no jury, just a judge) in a completely separate venue (location). You would also have some sort of court that ONLY does those types of trials, in terms of the judge. I don't care to discuss practicality because it would require a Constitutional Amendment, due to the fact that they would be losing the right to trial by jury. I think juries are often inherently biased in favor of the police where a judge who only handles those types of cases, not only understands the laws, but is more likely to be objective.

It only takes one juror with a pro-police bias, who is smart enough not to admit that he has such a bias, for a guilty verdict to not be possible in a particular trial. Shit, for all we know, the juror is a deliberate ringer.

Another thing you have to consider in trials involving cops is that maybe jurors are concerned with the possibility of police action against them if they find one of the boys in blue guilty of murder. I mean, in this case, here you have a cop who wanted nothing more on this planet than to have an excuse to shoot that kid----is there any reason not to fear that something is going to happen to you if you find him guilty? Are you really going to trust that police department?

But, seriously, watch the video if you haven't. I want to know how that cop gets off. Shouldn't even be possible.

Some police, if not in favor of police brutality, certainly don't seem to have a great problem with it. Most of them do, of course.

The legitimate protesters are looking for organizational change and empathy training, or whatever the hell it's called. They want increased training so that cops are less likely to employ deadly/continued force unless it is absolutely necessary, which I think is a perfectly legitimate position for them to take. The people who are doing the rioting and looting are, as a result, criminals, and therefore, are not, "Protesting," anything. Destroying/Stealing stuff is not a protest, it's just destroying and stealing stuff...and those people should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. In fact, what the legitimate protestors are protesting, and any points they would otherwise be making, are getting totally buried underneath all of these illegal acts.

[accountinquestion]

Look, I get it, this is much more than that. This is the Left seeing an opportunity to take advantage of the situation and move us more to socialism. And I understand most the people protesting are puppets and don’t even know that.

Yes, wanting more accountability from government officials is socialism. Damn you're smart.

You are the type of conservative that worships police as if they are some special class of government employee. This specifically enables their behavior. There is so much shit you don't understand. Such a fake-ass conservative. Pukes like you are the worst.

People responding to your paragraphs if babbling nonsense kills me.

[Bob21]

I’m still missing your point mission146. I have said numerous times there are bad police officers that should be help accountability and punished under our criminal justice system. Please reread some
of my posts. You seem to ignore these parts.

You don’t need to keep providing links to cases where a policeman did something wrong. I get it, there are some bad police officers out there.

I’ll repeat one more time. There are close to a million police officers in America. It is impossible to make everyone perfect. Out of a million people there are going to be some bad apples. That’s just basic stats. That is true in any society, with any race, and with any profession.

That’s why we have our criminal justice system. To deal with this, bad apples in our society.

So you say the protesters are protesting against police brutality and for social justice. Can you name me one person who is for police brutality and against social justice? I can’t find anyone. So these protesters are basically protesting against something where there is nobody on the other side.

Look, I get it, this is much more than that. This is the Left seeing an opportunity to take advantage of the situation and move us more to socialism. And I understand most the people protesting are puppets and don’t even know that.

You asked what my reforms would be and that's what my point is. There is no possible world, if you watched that video, that the guy should get off for murder charges. There was clear intent and premeditation to kill, he gave the kid instructions that were all but impossible to perfectly follow in the first place, then shot him when he failed to follow them. The officer clearly wanted any excuse in the world to shoot him.

I think one thing that I would do is that trials for cops in the line of duty would be bench trials (no jury, just a judge) in a completely separate venue (location). You would also have some sort of court that ONLY does those types of trials, in terms of the judge. I don't care to discuss practicality because it would require a Constitutional Amendment, due to the fact that they would be losing the right to trial by jury. I think juries are often inherently biased in favor of the police where a judge who only handles those types of cases, not only understands the laws, but is more likely to be objective.

It only takes one juror with a pro-police bias, who is smart enough not to admit that he has such a bias, for a guilty verdict to not be possible in a particular trial. Shit, for all we know, the juror is a deliberate ringer.

Another thing you have to consider in trials involving cops is that maybe jurors are concerned with the possibility of police action against them if they find one of the boys in blue guilty of murder. I mean, in this case, here you have a cop who wanted nothing more on this planet than to have an excuse to shoot that kid----is there any reason not to fear that something is going to happen to you if you find him guilty? Are you really going to trust that police department?

But, seriously, watch the video if you haven't. I want to know how that cop gets off. Shouldn't even be possible.

Some police, if not in favor of police brutality, certainly don't seem to have a great problem with it. Most of them do, of course.

The legitimate protesters are looking for organizational change and empathy training, or whatever the hell it's called. They want increased training so that cops are less likely to employ deadly/continued force unless it is absolutely necessary, which I think is a perfectly legitimate position for them to take. The people who are doing the rioting and looting are, as a result, criminals, and therefore, are not, "Protesting," anything. Destroying/Stealing stuff is not a protest, it's just destroying and stealing stuff...and those people should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. In fact, what the legitimate protestors are protesting, and any points they would otherwise be making, are getting totally buried underneath all of these illegal acts.

Mission146, I’m good with all that. Why hasn’t this been done? I mean most of the problems have been in our most liberal cities, where the Left has been in charge for about 50 years and they have enacted police reform after police reform.

Every couple years when we have our riots, there are more police reforms. Why can’t the liberals come up with a system that works? Do liberals like having riots every couple years?

Currently, one of our most liberal cities, Seattle, is being over run by anarchists. The Mayor has had the police retreat and turnover a section of the city to these people. This is how Third World countries operate.

I thought it was interesting the police chief in Seattle was a black women and didn’t agree with this move. It sounds like she is a conservative.

The Seattle mayor sounds like a character out of Saturday Night Live skit playing a white liberal that doesn’t have a clue. These liberals are pretty easy to spot. There is chaos going on all around them and they think everything is hunky-dory and all they need to do is just listen more to the criminal element.

[Mission146]

Mission146, I’m good with all that. Why hasn’t this been done? I mean most of the problems have been in our most liberal cities, where the Left has been in charge for about 50 years and they have enacted police reform after police reform.

Every couple years when we have our riots, there are more police reforms. Why can’t the liberals come up with a system that works? Do liberals like having riots every couple years?

Currently, one of our most liberal cities, Seattle, is being over run by anarchists. The Mayor has had the police retreat and turnover a section of the city to these people. This is how Third World countries operate.

I thought it was interesting the police chief in Seattle was a black women and didn’t agree with this move. It sounds like she is a conservative.

The Seattle mayor sounds like a character out of Saturday Night Live skit playing a white liberal that doesn’t have a clue. These liberals are pretty easy to spot. There is chaos going on all around them and they think everything is hunky-dory and all they need to do is just listen more to the criminal element.

The trial thing hasn't been done because it would be Unconstitutional. Theoretically, the right to a jury trial could be waived...but someone on trial for a criminal offense would be out of his mind to do that. That's especially true if he was guilty in a purely legal sense, rather than overtly. In this case, the fact that he was a cop theoretically muddied the waters with the jury, as it basically always theoretically could.

I'm not here to defend Liberals because, if there's anyone who can't stand the Far Left, it's me. I was a Democrat, but now I completely reject their social implementation of ideological purity for all because they restrict not only free speech, but also the right to have opinions contrary to them. I didn't chime in on the Drew Brees thing, but there's an example for you. Anyway...I was once Far Left (at least, it was Far Left at the time) and they drove me right out of there. Probably because Free Speech and Free Association have always been #'s 1 & 2 when it comes to my priorities. Again, they try to subvert the Constitutional right to Free Speech with social methods.

Which means that I will vote for social equality and freedom of choice causes, as they come up, but they'll never really see me being outspoken about it---much less actively helping them. I'll play by their stupid ass rules, for the most part, but it's kind of a bitch when you have to watch every single thing you write on Facebook because you don't want to offend the wrong people and then next thing you know they're hassling your family from afar. So, I'll never identify with them and never help them (other than cause-based voting) again.

Now...getting to the cities:

1.) There's something that tremendous population density does that ends up being systemic and self-perpetuating. A lot of things, in fact. One of those things is that the cost of living is much greater, so when that happens, you have more people who are poor. When more people are poor, they are more likely to want to see a Government that helps them with that. When they think it is something the Government should be helping them with, they become Liberals. When you have well-to-do people in the urban areas who actually see and live with these poor folks on a day-to-day basis, they become sympathetic to them------but usually not sympathetic enough to actually help out themselves------though sympathetic enough to expect the Government to help them out. As a result, those people become Liberals.

Therefore, the very fact that the area is urban, in general, creates the very conditions that would result in Liberality.

Whereas, your Rural areas don't actually see any of this. To take a ridiculously extreme example, some guys lives on a small piece of farmland in a city of 800 people who all know one another and is nearly 100% white. Hell, it might be even worse (politically speaking) if there is a black family there because they'll take that ONE ANECDOTAL CASE and say, "Well, blacks aren't treated any differently," all the while completely ignorant of the fact that his little majority white rural town is not the entire country---though it may be HIS entire country.

Another thing that you don't have so much is poverty, or when you do, it's not quite to the extent that people are starving. For one thing, if someone is completely homeless and has no food, a town of 800 is not likely to have a soup kitchen that operates seven days per week. Why? There would be no demand for it. So, where does this person go? If you guessed, "Big city," you are correct for a winning prize of a bowl of soup, salad, some fruit and a few slices of garlic bread.

Now, he goes to that soup kitchen and talks to folks and most of the people helping him identify as Liberal. THAT'S NOT BECAUSE CONSERVATIVES ARE BAD PEOPLE necessarily, it's because it's a big city, so partially for the reasons mentioned above, more of the people than not are Liberals.

Because the high cost of living generates the exacerbated economic inequality....but then the very nature of availability of charity brings more poor and disenfranchised people in....the economic inequality continues to get worse and worse. I mean, yeah, there are many cities where you'll never go an entire day without eating if you don't want to, (Pittsburgh being one of them) but that's about all you're going to be able to do unless there's a job for you.

So, then, there are some jobs that aren't necessarily legal in one way or another. Some places pay under the table, but they pay a pittance. Other places will make someone, "Salary," where salary just means a ridiculous amount of hours for considerably less than what would be minimum wage on an hourly basis. AND THEN, they expect those people to be goddamn grateful, after all, it is technically an improvement.

As a result, you have the cities who now want to expand workers' rights, not to mention Medicare for all (in some cases) because they are surrounded by people who are chronically ill.

And, again, the people who this is happening to have gotten the Hell out of the small Conservative towns...because, had they stayed there, there wouldn't even be a place for them to eat every day.

----So, the very nature of a what a big city IS generates Liberality. And, that's why trying to handle so much at the Federal-level...or expecting that the Federal Government should do certain things...is perfectly ridiculous. The life in one town, and often state, has absolutely nothing to do with the life in another place, so of course a person from one and a person from another are going to disagree.

Similarly, once Liberal folks often move to rural areas and become more Conservative. Why? Because Conservative solutions to problems are naturally going to make more sense relative to life experience.

And then you have illegal jobs like running drugs and stuff like that. Hey, you've got a place to live now, but up goes the crime rate.

2.) As far as why they can't come up with a system that works, I have no idea. My best guess is because there's no such thing as a system that works 100% of the time. If you could create such a system, then we could certainly find a way to make other stuff work for everyone 100% of the time, but it's not possible.

3.) I am not aware of the political leanings of the police chief. I'm not even sure it's a factor. She's probably more concerned that she's being forced to commit what she would otherwise consider dereliction of duty, but I obviously have no way to know.

4.) I haven't listened to the Mayor and don't plan to. Really, I'm trying to ignore it as much as possible. We've officially crossed the line where I'd have sent in the big guns by now.

[monet]

You guys really get into the debates.
I admit, I haven't read many of the posts but the sheer volume and length of the posts are impressive!!

[Mission146]

You guys really get into the debates.
I admit I haven't read many of the posts but the sheer volume and length of posts are impressive!!

I appreciate you saying that, but if you asked me what kind of cereal I like the best, you'd probably get a five paragraph response.

[monet]

I appreciate you saying that, but if you asked me what kind of cereal I like the best, you'd probably get a five paragraph response.

Everyone knows the best cereal is Fruit and... um... Fruit and uhhhh...

[Darkoz]

I appreciate you saying that, but if you asked me what kind of cereal I like the best, you'd probably get a five paragraph response.

Everyone knows the best cereal is Fruit and... um... Fruit and uhhhh...

I can eat an entire box of Peanut Butter Crunch in a day

[redietz]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/media...est/index.html


Unbelievable. This is what one would expect from a Russian or Chinese television station.

[Bob21]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/media...est/index.html


Unbelievable. This is what one would expect from a Russian or Chinese television station.

Yeah, it’s peaceful now, but just wait a couple months. It’ll become our Mogadishu outpost, with ganglords running the place. The only way police or military will be able to go into the area will be with armored vehicles. There are currently places like that in Europe, specifically Brussels.

Since you like Europe and all its socialist policies, we’re actually following in their footsteps and developing our own little Mogadishu hellholes. The days of Max Max and the road warriors are not too far off for America.

[BoSox]

I appreciate you saying that, but if you asked me what kind of cereal I like the best, you'd probably get a five paragraph response.

Everyone knows the best cereal is Fruit and... um... Fruit and uhhhh...

The only way that Post Fruit and Fiber cereal can really be appreciated is as a side dish to two Mendle Bread toast.

[monet]

The only way that Post Fruit and Fiber cereal can really be appreciated is as a side dish to two Mendle Bread toast.

lol... this is Fibre though but I like your post.
kewlJ claims to have the recipe for MendleBread, so hopefully he will post it.

For lunch, we slurp noodles with my slant eyed wife.
Now we just need something for dinner!?

I remember these two boxes in the picture...

[Darkoz]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/media...est/index.html


Unbelievable. This is what one would expect from a Russian or Chinese television station.

Yeah, it’s peaceful now, but just wait a couple months. It’ll become our Mogadishu outpost, with ganglords running the place. The only way police or military will be able to go into the area will be with armored vehicles. There are currently places like that in Europe, specifically Brussels.

Since you like Europe and all its socialist policies, we’re actually following in their footsteps and developing our own little Mogadishu hellholes. The days of Max Max and the road warriors are not too far off for America.

Well let it happen BEFORE you find them guilty of it.

You seem to have already convicted them of acts you believe will occur in the future. Innocent until proven guilty.

What happens if your predictions don't come true? Only way to know is wait and see.

They ARE Americans for all their bluster. If they wind up arrested bet they will use our constitution to protect their rights in Seattle court. They will use Seattle resources to hire lawyer's they can't afford. They are probably still using government funding of social security and welfare and food stamps.

The whole autonomous country (of 6 blocks, really?) Is just a right wing scare tactic. It's not real.

They are there in Seattle Don't get me wrong. It's just not as scary as the right wing outlets make it out to be

[mickeycrimm]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/media...est/index.html


Unbelievable. This is what one would expect from a Russian or Chinese television station.

"Unbelievable. This is what one would expect from CNN or MSNBC as they have been caught creative editing numberous times."

Redietz, I fixed your quote for you to more reflect the truth. Never mind that lefty elites like you think you are smarter than the proletariat....you never bitch when the creative editing is done by the lefty news outlets.

[accountinquestion]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/media...est/index.html


Unbelievable. This is what one would expect from a Russian or Chinese television station.

Yeah, it’s peaceful now, but just wait a couple months. It’ll become our Mogadishu outpost, with ganglords running the place. The only way police or military will be able to go into the area will be with armored vehicles. There are currently places like that in Europe, specifically Brussels.

Since you like Europe and all its socialist policies, we’re actually following in their footsteps and developing our own little Mogadishu hellholes. The days of Max Max and the road warriors are not too far off for America.

Well let it happen BEFORE you find them guilty of it.

You seem to have already convicted them of acts you believe will occur in the future. Innocent until proven guilty.

What happens if your predictions don't come true? Only way to know is wait and see.

They ARE Americans for all their bluster. If they wind up arrested bet they will use our constitution to protect their rights in Seattle court. They will use Seattle resources to hire lawyer's they can't afford. They are probably still using government funding of social security and welfare and food stamps.

The whole autonomous country (of 6 blocks, really?) Is just a right wing scare tactic. It's not real.

They are there in Seattle Don't get me wrong. It's just not as scary as the right wing outlets make it out to be

No one even knows where the name CHAZ came from. The people who seem to actually be leaders are calling it CHOP for Capitol Hill Organized Protest. The right always needs their bogeymen.

You'll find all these guys who want to just reconfirm their beliefs with nonsense. They will be shown some weirdo twitter poster and go on and on about it. Pathetic.

[Darkoz]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/media...est/index.html


Unbelievable. This is what one would expect from a Russian or Chinese television station.

"Unbelievable. This is what one would expect from CNN or MSNBC as they have been caught creative editing numberous times."

Redietz, I fixed your quote for you to more reflect the truth. Never mind that lefty elites like you think you are smarter than the proletariat....you never bitch when the creative editing is done by the lefty news outlets.

Hilarious your answer to creative editing claims is to practice it yourself.

You brag about doing creative editing yourself while literally deriding it in your post.

[mickeycrimm]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/media...est/index.html


Unbelievable. This is what one would expect from a Russian or Chinese television station.

Yeah, it’s peaceful now, but just wait a couple months. It’ll become our Mogadishu outpost, with ganglords running the place. The only way police or military will be able to go into the area will be with armored vehicles. There are currently places like that in Europe, specifically Brussels.

Since you like Europe and all its socialist policies, we’re actually following in their footsteps and developing our own little Mogadishu hellholes. The days of Max Max and the road warriors are not too far off for America.

Well let it happen BEFORE you find them guilty of it.

You seem to have already convicted them of acts you believe will occur in the future. Innocent until proven guilty.

What happens if your predictions don't come true? Only way to know is wait and see.

They ARE Americans for all their bluster. If they wind up arrested bet they will use our constitution to protect their rights in Seattle court. They will use Seattle resources to hire lawyer's they can't afford. They are probably still using government funding of social security and welfare and food stamps.

The whole autonomous country (of 6 blocks, really?) Is just a right wing scare tactic. It's not real.

They are there in Seattle Don't get me wrong. It's just not as scary as the right wing outlets make it out to be

Yeah, sure, all the businesses in the six block area are thriving now that traffic has been cutoff from their businesses. THE TAKING OF THE SIX BLOCK AREA IS AGAINST THE LAW. IT DOESN'T BELONG TO THEM. ANARCHISTS CONTROLLING WHO ENTERS THAT AREA IS AGAINST THE LAW. THE "BLACKS ONLY" GARDEN IS SEGREGATION. THE BEATING OF THE PREACHER WAS AGAINST THE LAW. THE OTHER BEATINGS GOING ON ARE AGAINST THE LAW.

The marxist mayor of Seattle is letting the people who live and work in that area down. It's shameful what these leftist politicians are doing.

[mickeycrimm]

[QUOTE=Darkoz;108191]

Omission is another way you are manipulated by the media. Are you keeping up with the story of the new country, CHAZistan, that was formed in downtown Seattle? Then you are probably watching Fox News. CNN and MSNBC are hardly covering the story.

With whats going on in CHAZistan it looks like the left has done an about face and now supports walls and closed borders.

You mean like this CNN coverage?

No surprising that you don't know the drill, darkoz. CNN avoids stories that show the left in a bad light. That is, if or until the story gets to big for them to ignore. The story has gotten to big so they have to report something. So what they are reporting is how peaceful things are there. First of all its not as peaceful as they make it out to be. 2nd of all, all the territory the anarchists control was stolen from someone else.

[Darkoz]

[QUOTE=mickeycrimm;108275]

Omission is another way you are manipulated by the media. Are you keeping up with the story of the new country, CHAZistan, that was formed in downtown Seattle? Then you are probably watching Fox News. CNN and MSNBC are hardly covering the story.

With whats going on in CHAZistan it looks like the left has done an about face and now supports walls and closed borders.

You mean like this CNN coverage?

No surprising that you don't know the drill, darkoz. CNN avoids stories that show the left in a bad light. That is, if or until the story gets to big for them to ignore. The story has gotten to big so they have to report something. So what they are reporting is how peaceful things are there. First of all its not as peaceful as they make it out to be. 2nd of all, all the territory the anarchists control was stolen from someone else.

I am still waiting for videos of violence from Chaz. You said they were on YouTube. Were you lying.

Simple links will support your claims