How exactly does Darkoz's Player's Club Cards Team work?

[Tasha]

Darkoz got the idea for his Player's Club Cards Team when he was basically broke one day after losing money and went on the bus to go home. On the bus, he realized he forgot his Player's Club Card in the machine and went back to get it. Lo and behold,some random guy was playing hard on Darkoz card and didn't even know it and inadvertently got Darkoz like $50 in points and $50 in free play when Darkoz was practically broke. Darkoz got the idea for his Player's Club Cards Team from what happened with the random guy inadvertently giving Darkoz like $50 in points and $50 in free play. How exactly does Darkoz's Player's Club Cards Team work? Do the Team play hard on each other's cards and give each other promotions, points, and free play that way? I do remember Darkoz saying something like,"I've had some of my Team screw me over and I kicked them out for screwing me over and they see how much money the people still on the Team make and they realize their mistake in screwing me over and beg to be let back on the Team, but I don't let them back on the team. Screw me over once, I permanently fire you from my Team."

[Mission146]

Does he have an account here? I could go over and ask him if he wants to come over and answer this. I don't know how his team works; I've never worked with him. He's gotten into a good deal of information and in my interview with him; the interview was mostly just about how he got started, though.

ADDED: Obviously, even if I had worked with him, it still wouldn't be for me to answer that.

[Darkoz]

I'm not sure what the questions are.

The description of how I got started is a bit off but mostly accurate. It was getting off the NYC train not a bus. And I didn't get back on the train before realizing my card was in the machines it was still walking to the train.

That started a long journey to where I am today. In that post it makes it look like after that starting incident I was already putting together a major team.

I have posted those details at WOV. The long journey is written in a book about my exploits but I haven't pursued publishing it yet. Some day.

[Treeshade]

I'm not sure what the questions are.

The description of how I got started is a bit off but mostly accurate. It was getting off the NYC train not a bus. And I didn't get back on the train before realizing my card was in the machines it was still walking to the train.

That started a long journey to where I am today. In that post it makes it look like after that starting incident I was already putting together a major team.

I have posted those details at WOV. The long journey is written in a book about my exploits but I haven't pursued publishing it yet. Some day.

Did you or did you not date a black transgender women from NYC ?

[Tasha]

I'm not sure what the questions are.

The description of how I got started is a bit off but mostly accurate. It was getting off the NYC train not a bus. And I didn't get back on the train before realizing my card was in the machines it was still walking to the train.

That started a long journey to where I am today. In that post it makes it look like after that starting incident I was already putting together a major team.

I have posted those details at WOV. The long journey is written in a book about my exploits but I haven't pursued publishing it yet. Some day.

Darkoz, do you remember how much the random guy who was inadvertently playing on your Player's Club Card got you? I think you said he earned you $50 in free play and $50 in points when you had basically been broke. Did he eventually look at the Player's Club Card slot and be like,"Who the hell is Darkoz/(Your real name)?" And take out the Player's Club Card? Or did he lose all his money and then leave?In your case, someone inadvertently playing on your Player's Club Card was a complete accident on both you and his parts. Someone who I will not mention by name said something like,"Years ago, my Local Casino didn't turn off the Player's Club Card after a couple of minutes like they do now, so cards in slot machines stayed active as long as it was in a game. I used to purposely leave my Player's Club Card inside games and wait for random people to start playing on my card , and I earned a lot of money that way. I called it a Player's Club Card hustle."

[Darkoz]

I'm not sure what the questions are.

The description of how I got started is a bit off but mostly accurate. It was getting off the NYC train not a bus. And I didn't get back on the train before realizing my card was in the machines it was still walking to the train.

That started a long journey to where I am today. In that post it makes it look like after that starting incident I was already putting together a major team.

I have posted those details at WOV. The long journey is written in a book about my exploits but I haven't pursued publishing it yet. Some day.

Darkoz, do you remember how much the random guy who was inadvertently playing on your Player's Club Card got you? I think you said he earned you $50 in free play and $50 in points when you had basically been broke. Did he eventually look at the Player's Club Card slot and be like,"Who the hell is Darkoz/(Your real name)?" And take out the Player's Club Card? Or did he lose all his money and then leave?In your case, someone inadvertently playing on your Player's Club Card was a complete accident on both you and his parts. Someone who I will not mention by name said something like,"Years ago, my Local Casino didn't turn off the Player's Club Card after a couple of minutes like they do now, so cards in slot machines stayed active as long as it was in a game. I used to purposely leave my Player's Club Card inside games and wait for random people to start playing on my card , and I earned a lot of money that way. I called it a Player's Club Card hustle."

It was just ten bucks in points which got me a free cheeseburger but being homeless and broke at the time that was fine. There was no freeplay. Those offers came later.

This was resorts world casino in NYC which was only open q month at the time. Lots of people but few savvy to get players cards. Most were not gamblers who had experience in AC.

After two or three days I convinced my daughter and her husband to come down and get cards that tripled my output sitting around collecting points.

At that time they did not check ID when redeeming points for food. I should point out the food was a voucher you printed at the kiosk and needed a pin and card for so they just assumed of you had the voucher that meant you had the card and pin. The outlets would just take the order and then the voucher as payment

[Tasha]

Aw man, $10 in points is a far cry from the $50 in points and the $50 in free play I thought you got the SAME day.

How much was the offers you later got after the guy inadvertently played hard on your card?

[tableplay]

I convinced my daughter and her husband to come down

I suppose you have your daughter and son-in-law to thank for you getting into MC - if they had provided you room and board then you might not have been incentivized to develop MC knowledge.

[MDawg]

It was just ten bucks in points which got me a free cheeseburger but being homeless and broke at the time that was fine. There was no freeplay. Those offers came later.

This was resorts world casino in NYC which was only open q month at the time. Lots of people but few savvy to get players cards. Most were not gamblers who had experience in AC.

How did you even get in? On the Strip Circus Circus is pretty much the only casino that allows the homeless to even pit stop inside, that's part of why UNKewlJ confines nursing his sorry act to the North Side.

Is RW NYC fast and loose with entrance standards like Circus Circus,



or did you take a shower and shoplift some clean clothes first?

North Vegas is where you go when you've fucked up once too often on the Strip, and when you're not even welcome in the cut-rate downtown places around Casino Center.
This is Nevada's answer to East St. Louis - a slum and a graveyard, last stop before permanent exile to Ely or Winnemuca. North Vegas is where you go if you're a hooker turning thirty and the syndicate men on the Strip decide you're no longer much good for business out there with the high rollers .. . or if you're a pimp with bad credit at the Venetian . . . or what they still call, in Vegas, "a hophead." This can mean almost anything from a mean drunk to a junkie, but in terms of commercial acceptability, it means you're finished in all the right places.

The big hotels and casinos pay a lot of muscle to make sure high rollers like MDawg don't have even momentary hassles with "undesirables." Security in a place like the Wynn is super tense and strict. Probably a third of the people on the floor at a given time are either shills or watchdogs. Public drunks like AxelWolf known male hustlers like UNKewlJ are dealt with instantly - hustled out to the parking lot by Secret Service type thugs and given an impersonal lecture about the cost of dental work and of trying to make a living with two broken arms.

[MisterV]

Security in a place like Caesar's Palace is super tense and strict. Probably a third of the people on the floor at a given time are either shills or watchdogs. Public drunks known pickpockets are dealt with instantly - hustled out to the parking lot by Secret Service type thugs and given an impersonal lecture about the cost of dental work and of trying to make a living with two broken arms.

Did they teach you this in law school, or did you learn it the hard way, before you got lucky?

"A third of the people on the floor" (not dealers: you mean folks moseying along) work for the casino and are in cognito?

Wow, who knew?

[Darkoz]

It was just ten bucks in points which got me a free cheeseburger but being homeless and broke at the time that was fine. There was no freeplay. Those offers came later.

This was resorts world casino in NYC which was only open q month at the time. Lots of people but few savvy to get players cards. Most were not gamblers who had experience in AC.

How did you even get in? On the Strip Circus Circus is pretty much the only casino that allows the homeless to even pit stop inside, that's part of why UNKewlJ confines nursing his sorry act to the North Side.

Is RW NYC fast and loose with entrance standards like Circus Circus,



or did you take a shower and shoplift some clean clothes first?

North Vegas is where you go when you've fucked up once too often on the Strip, and when you're not even welcome in the cut-rate downtown places around Casino Center.
This is Nevada's answer to East St. Louis - a slum and a graveyard, last stop before permanent exile to Ely or Winnemuca. North Vegas is where you go if you're a hooker turning thirty and the syndicate men on the Strip decide you're no longer much good for business out there with the high rollers .. . or if you're a pimp with bad credit at the Venetian . . . or what they still call, in Vegas, "a hophead." This can mean almost anything from a mean drunk to a junkie, but in terms of commercial acceptability, it means you're finished in all the right places.

The big hotels and casinos pay a lot of muscle to make sure high rollers like MDawg don't have even momentary hassles with "undesirables." Security in a place like the Wynn is super tense and strict. Probably a third of the people on the floor at a given time are either shills or watchdogs. Public drunks like AxelWolf known male hustlers like UNKewlJ are dealt with instantly - hustled out to the parking lot by Secret Service type thugs and given an impersonal lecture about the cost of dental work and of trying to make a living with two broken arms.

You have me confused with being a dirty smelly homeless person.

[kewlJ]

You have me confused with being a dirty smelly homeless person.

He is not confused about anything Dark Oz. Mdawgs tactics are now about making up whatever he wants, to try to smear and discredit those that have dared question his claims. That he KNOWS the things he says attacking people, like You, me Axelwolf, anyone really that challenged his BS doesn't matter to him in the slightest. At WoV, he pretends to be a somewhat decent person, I guess because rules dictate that. On these other forums, he doesn't even make the slightest attempt to pretend. He just shows who he is.

Now I have a question about this multi-carding stuff. A while ago, maybe 7 8 years ago now, I made a post somewhere, probably WoV about the group that had been Busted" in Pa for multi-carding and was just starting to go through the legal process. I immediately received some private messages and emails for 3 or 4 people, saying "we don't talk about multi-carding on the open forums" Fair enough. Now all of the sudden, I see a lot of chatter about it on several different forums and have read and heard multi-carding (especially teams) has moved up on casino priority. Why is it now being talked about openly? Not that I care, I am not involved with this.

[Darkoz]

You have me confused with being a dirty smelly homeless person.

He is not confused about anything Dark Oz. Mdawgs tactics are now about making up whatever he wants, to try to smear and discredit those that have dared question his claims. That he KNOWS the things he says attacking people, like You, me Axelwolf, anyone really that challenged his BS doesn't matter to him in the slightest. At WoV, he pretends to be a somewhat decent person, I guess because rules dictate that. On these other forums, he doesn't even make the slightest attempt to pretend. He just shows who he is.

Now I have a question about this multi-carding stuff. A while ago, maybe 7 8 years ago now, I made a post somewhere, probably WoV about the group that had been Busted" in Pa for multi-carding and was just starting to go through the legal process. I immediately received some private messages and emails for 3 or 4 people, saying "we don't talk about multi-carding on the open forums" Fair enough. Now all of the sudden, I see a lot of chatter about it on several different forums and have read and heard multi-carding (especially teams) has moved up on casino priority. Why is it now being talked about openly? Not that I care, I am not involved with this.

I remember the team in PA. I was warned that PA was tough and would prosecute for using other players cards but I went in anyway pretty confident of my understanding of the law.

I was correct. I did get caught. They verified I had permission from everyone whose card I used and just told me there was no case.

That means that other team was not using cards with permission of the card holders and indeed I learned later there was something involving a casino manager printing cards and changing pins to steal freeplay.

As for not discussing it I think they believed casinos didn't understand how multicarding works. To some extent that's still true but they know enough that you can't just egregiously grab freeplay. You have to use some form of cover play. And all the multicarding teams have things that work. At least until they dont.

[MisterV]

OK: just how does multi-carding work?

[jdog]

I don't get what all the secrecy is about. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out a play like this.

[kewlJ]

OK: just how does multi-carding work?

MrV, I have shared in detail what myself and my partner did with machine play here in Vegas for almost a decade, which resulted in a supplemental income of about 20k per year, each. We were using 2-4 cards or accounts, playing a certain amount of play through at -EV, which would generate mailer offers worth much more +Ev than the small -Ev to get it.

So think of that on steroids with a group or team of players doing this with 100's or even 1000's of cards and accounts. That is basically it.

I am not sure the legalities of this in different jurisdictions. I know teams or groups of players were busted in Colorado and Pa, but both cases sort of disappeared from the news, I suspect just settled or charges withdrawn. I am also not sure how casinos wouldn't have noticed this on the large scale being talked about now, 1000's of cards or accounts. Almost seems like they had no interest, until all of the sudden they do.

[MaxPen]

I don't get what all the secrecy is about. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out a play like this.

No one aspect of anything is "rocket science". But just like anything in order to become an expert there is a tuition cost. Card runners pay a steep price to learn their craft. It's actually like existing in a permanent experiment as the variables are constantly changing. Anyone who knows anything worth knowing isn't and shouldn't share a damn thing. All that does is dilute that particular angle causing it to disappear. All you have to do is take a look at the vulture scene to see that effect.

Casinos will spend $10 to keep someone from getting over on them for a single dollar. So really nothing should be openly discussed. All that does is bring in more people looking for a slice of the pie. A single team operating in a casino can destroy it. Let alone multiple teams. Unfortunately, now there are lots of situations where multiple teams wind up in the same casinos and a lot of plays are getting shut down. So the dummies are going to go around talking about past exploits just fueling the fires to entice more competition into the market. Thus diluting the values of all sorts of different angles. What can you say? People in general are stupid. ...RIP

[MDawg]

DarkOz might be adding a 0 to his alleged figures (there is also his, "I make $20,000. a week, but not every week" nonsense) but UNKewLyingJ's jumping on that same $20,000. figure, but for the year (surprise! not much imagination there) is wholly fabricated.

The thing about KJ - if you actually read what he writes - is that he constantly echoes the words/phrases and themes of the immediately previous replies by others.

I.E. DarkOz may exaggerate but UNKewlJ lies entirely.

[kewlJ]

Casinos will spend $10 to keep someone from getting over on them for a single dollar.

Bill Zender has been preaching the errors of their ways since before I even started playing. It always amazed me how casino just dismiss him and others that know.

[kewlJ]

DarkOz might be adding a 0 to his alleged figures (there is also his, "I make $20,000. a week, but not every week" nonsense) but UNKewLyingJ's jumping on that same $20,000. figure, but for the year (surprise! not much imagination there) is wholly fabricated.

Perfect example of what a lying idiot you are. I shared what my partner and I were doing, on a much smaller "supplemental" scale, long before Dark oz reveal what he and his team were doing. So you can't "steal" someone's $20k figure years before they even said it.

Moreover, one person was talking about $20K a year. The other $20K a week. Hardly the same thing.

You just don't give a fuck any more do you? You have just given up now haven't you Mdawg?