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Thread: Will KJ Ever Quit Trolling VCT?

  1. #21
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Bottom line is not one of us has ever seen KJ back up one word he has ever posted on his gambling knowledge and income. Not one person.

    I can’t say that about you, Axel, Max or others on here. I get his reasons for privacy, but it still comes down to him never proving anything. You and others could vouch for me being who I am if asked, KJ has nothing.

    He could be a 70 YO guy in a basement somewhere who may or not have helped the homeless at the downtown shelter. And has fucked with all of us for years.
    Very strange Boz. You write "I understand his reasons for privacy", but then go on to make unfounded accusations because I don't meet any people. Obviously then you don't understand my need for privacy.

    I am almost strictly a blackjack card counter AP. That is very different from most AP's on these forums that machine play makes up a good deal of their play. Strictly blackjack AP's of which there aren't many of us left, have been fighting the "war" with the casino industry for decades, the cat and mouse game, and all the infiltrating forums, and players switching sides that goes along with it. Decades...since long before I began playing. Machine players have only been fighting this war for a few years now (maybe 5).

    There are two types of pure blackjack card counter AP's. The first is guys that play on teams and usually have a short career. They usually don't have a lot of BR which is why they join a team. It is the people that manage and run the teams that have longer careers. The players they recruit are pretty much disposable.

    The second is the solo player, like me and again there aren't many of us left. We tend to be loners as far as who we associate with. We may have a very small handful of other players that we trust and that takes years to develop. In my case it is 3 people. Two very high end, very known players, who both reside part-time or fulltime in Vegas that I have met with and one that I network with and although I turned him down for meeting in the past, would meet him if the chance occurred again. Those are my 3 guys. I don't hang out or socialize with AP's, go drinking, go to forum meetups. Pure blackjack card counter AP's at my level don't do that. It isn't conducive to longevity.

    So you can say "I understand his reasons for privacy", but everything you say after that proves you don't understand or have a clue.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  2. #22
    Now let's get into your little list Boz. You made that list, for one reason, so you could leave me off it. That is fine you can do that. You don't like me and that is fine too. But I don't believe for a minute that you don't KNOW that I know what I am talking about. If you don't then you are not as smart as I always gave you credit for.

    Either way, it is fine. Doesn't effect my life or income.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Now let's get into your little list Boz. You made that list, for one reason, so you could leave me off it. That is fine you can do that. You don't like me and that is fine too. But I don't believe for a minute that you don't KNOW that I know what I am talking about. If you don't then you are not as smart as I always gave you credit for.

    Either way, it is fine. Doesn't effect my life or income.
    Yet you have to be such a braggart that you go on WoV and post about the number of casinos on your rotation and how the playing conditions are actually better for you now.

    How in any way, shape or form does that help you? With less players out there currently due to the conditions you are only making yourself possibly more under the radar. It proves your need for attention. They is no possible longevity or AP reason to post that.

    And my point sticks that I have no proof what you actually do. Your posting current conditions makes me confused as hell.

    And you still haven’t denied paying the Wizard off.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Now let's get into your little list Boz. You made that list, for one reason, so you could leave me off it. That is fine you can do that. You don't like me and that is fine too. But I don't believe for a minute that you don't KNOW that I know what I am talking about. If you don't then you are not as smart as I always gave you credit for.

    Either way, it is fine. Doesn't effect my life or income.
    Yet you have to be such a braggart that you go on WoV and post about the number of casinos on your rotation and how the playing conditions are actually better for you now.

    How in any way, shape or form does that help you? With less players out there currently due to the conditions you are only making yourself possibly more under the radar. It proves your need for attention. They is no possible longevity or AP reason to post that.

    And my point sticks that I have no proof what you actually do. Your posting current conditions makes me confused as hell.

    And you still haven’t denied paying the Wizard off.
    I did not pay Wizard one cent. We simply spoke like adults and came to an arrangement, allowing us to move forward. Now you will just post that you don't believe that, so what is the point?

    I posted general information, didn't list a single casino in my report. I almost never mention a casino by name. Occasionally El Cortez. I have my reasons for that and KNOW mentioning it can't really hurt me.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Bottom line is not one of us has ever seen KJ back up one word he has ever posted on his gambling knowledge and income. Not one person.

    I can’t say that about you, Axel, Max or others on here. I get his reasons for privacy, but it still comes down to him never proving anything. You and others could vouch for me being who I am if asked, KJ has nothing.

    He could be a 70 YO guy in a basement somewhere who may or not have helped the homeless at the downtown shelter. And has fucked with all of us for years.
    Very strange Boz. You write "I understand his reasons for privacy", but then go on to make unfounded accusations because I don't meet any people. Obviously then you don't understand my need for privacy.

    I am almost strictly a blackjack card counter AP. That is very different from most AP's on these forums that machine play makes up a good deal of their play. Strictly blackjack AP's of which there aren't many of us left, have been fighting the "war" with the casino industry for decades, the cat and mouse game, and all the infiltrating forums, and players switching sides that goes along with it. Decades...since long before I began playing. Machine players have only been fighting this war for a few years now (maybe 5).

    There are two types of pure blackjack card counter AP's. The first is guys that play on teams and usually have a short career. They usually don't have a lot of BR which is why they join a team. It is the people that manage and run the teams that have longer careers. The players they recruit are pretty much disposable.

    The second is the solo player, like me and again there aren't many of us left. We tend to be loners as far as who we associate with. We may have a very small handful of other players that we trust and that takes years to develop. In my case it is 3 people. Two very high end, very known players, who both reside part-time or fulltime in Vegas that I have met with and one that I network with and although I turned him down for meeting in the past, would meet him if the chance occurred again. Those are my 3 guys. I don't hang out or socialize with AP's, go drinking, go to forum meetups. Pure blackjack card counter AP's at my level don't do that. It isn't conducive to longevity.

    So you can say "I understand his reasons for privacy", but everything you say after that proves you don't understand or have a clue.
    Advantage machine play goes back at least to the 70's, not just a few years ago.Quit spreading disinformation. The first advantage plays were on the old electro-mechanical slots.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Bottom line is not one of us has ever seen KJ back up one word he has ever posted on his gambling knowledge and income. Not one person.

    I can’t say that about you, Axel, Max or others on here. I get his reasons for privacy, but it still comes down to him never proving anything. You and others could vouch for me being who I am if asked, KJ has nothing.

    He could be a 70 YO guy in a basement somewhere who may or not have helped the homeless at the downtown shelter. And has fucked with all of us for years.
    Very strange Boz. You write "I understand his reasons for privacy", but then go on to make unfounded accusations because I don't meet any people. Obviously then you don't understand my need for privacy.

    I am almost strictly a blackjack card counter AP. That is very different from most AP's on these forums that machine play makes up a good deal of their play. Strictly blackjack AP's of which there aren't many of us left, have been fighting the "war" with the casino industry for decades, the cat and mouse game, and all the infiltrating forums, and players switching sides that goes along with it. Decades...since long before I began playing. Machine players have only been fighting this war for a few years now (maybe 5).

    There are two types of pure blackjack card counter AP's. The first is guys that play on teams and usually have a short career. They usually don't have a lot of BR which is why they join a team. It is the people that manage and run the teams that have longer careers. The players they recruit are pretty much disposable.

    The second is the solo player, like me and again there aren't many of us left. We tend to be loners as far as who we associate with. We may have a very small handful of other players that we trust and that takes years to develop. In my case it is 3 people. Two very high end, very known players, who both reside part-time or fulltime in Vegas that I have met with and one that I network with and although I turned him down for meeting in the past, would meet him if the chance occurred again. Those are my 3 guys. I don't hang out or socialize with AP's, go drinking, go to forum meetups. Pure blackjack card counter AP's at my level don't do that. It isn't conducive to longevity.

    So you can say "I understand his reasons for privacy", but everything you say after that proves you don't understand or have a clue.
    Advantage machine play goes back at least to the 70's, not just a few years ago.Quit spreading disinformation. The first advantage plays were on the old electro-mechanical slots.
    Learn to read drunk old man.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  7. #27
    MDawg. Still grasping at what little straws you think you have. That really must suck for you.

    I already said that I don't know much about the Alexa ranking from the very beginning. I know enough to know that it's not accurate and there are ways to manipulate it. Since you have so much knowledge and an obsession with it, I believe you probably figured out a way to manipulate it, if not, it's somehow coincidence or your cherry picking.
    It's good to know your little gash gets wet over your Alexa ranking.
    I've never been concerned with how much traffic I do or don't bring to the site like you do.
    Guess how many people including the site owners actually care about what you may or may not bring to the websites we all participate at? That number is exactly one.

    It's painfully obvious everyone knows damn well you have a burning desire for attention and undeserved admiration. I believe you're willing to go to any lengths including, but not limited to making up complete b******* and fakery to achieve that attention and admiration you clamor for.

    Remember how you posted up how good you are at heads up poker and how you would crush it? Remember I offered you a heads-up match and you proceeded to run away like a phony little b****?

    You made up some type of BS excuse about not wanting to play with an RNG generated deck. I said we could figure out how to get around that and play with a live dealer and cards online and you quickly scampered off. I think I might have actually found a place that does exactly what I was suggesting, I was going to bring it up again but I just said f*** it you're just going to find another lame excuse.


    You asked before why anybody would make up lies about gambling and put up fake s*** online. I offered a few examples of people who have done so. Siegfried(or whatever his name is) claiming he could show proof he made over $1000000 blah blah blah blah, and as it turns out, it was a mistake of some kind via the casino or some other b*******.

    I and others have already responded to the CTR bullshit. I'm not going to repeat myself, people can go read it(next time quote my response)

    You've showed no legitimate proof of anything other than the fact that you know how to spin a good yarn and post up some fake pictures. People have posted up pictures before that have fold people(not me) and guess what?... They have turned out to be fraudulent/ fakes.

    Let me say this again, just in case anybody missed it before. You claimed you wanted to meet up with the Wizard and perhaps other someone else to prove your b*******. You claim to have been to Las Vegas many times, and yet you have not once made that happen.

    I even suggested that I would spring for a spy pen and you could record a session of your big High rolling action that you claim. I noticed not one of your pictures have actually been during a hand getting paid off on 1 of these big bets you claim you make. I've already explained my loose theory on how I believe these pictures are materializing. Whatever the case, something isn't right, that's for damn sure.

    You basically claim never lose playing Baccarat(I believe that, because I don't believe you're actually playing like you're suggesting you do). You claim to have been buying Bitcoin and holding it since it was like under $5 or whatever(I don't remember the exact price time and price you claim to have bought it at, but it was super duper low, perhaps lower then $5 bucks). You have also made outrageous stock market trading claims.
    Please feel free to tell us what all your trades are going to be prior to making your claims and then let us judge for yourself.

    Remember over on Wizard of Vegas when you post up a picture and claimed you are one particular Casino when you took the picture, when in fact, it was proven that picture was not at the place you claimed it was taken?

    Considering the fact that you claim to have all this knowledge about big Ballin baccarat play... when I brought up the private third party host, you certainly didn't seem to have any knowledge about that. You were basically claiming you had to be some kind of whale in order to get that. That was certainly not true as I pointed out you don't even have to be close to a whale. You just someone who makes semi periodic trips to Vegas with an average bet of $50 to $200 and someone who brings about 15,000 each trip and actually put some some play. And from what I understand you've claimed before is that you don't really get anything extra other than what a normal host would offer to anyone at your level and what they send you the other normal marketing. Basically, if it were true that your betting at the levels you claim you're not negotiating well enough and you're leaving a ton of s*** on the table. If it were actually true that you have all this money, in addition to a super duper baccarat winning strategy/system, then we would actually consider you to be one of the dumbest gamblers in the world considering the fact that you're not making tens of millions of dollars a year with it was not all that much time invested. Unless you're cheating casinos don't give a flying f*** what kind of system you use on baccarat or how much you win, they will keep letting you play till the f****** cows come home and you can bet staggering amounts of money.


    "It's still all talk." if you haven't yet to meet one legitimate person that can back up any of your claims whatsoever, especially when just about everything everything you say just doesn't add up. There are other people that actually have things that make sense and actually add up along with multiple reputable people that have witnessed said things.

    I don't care how well you write something or what you've learned from someone else or by reading it on the internet. What actually matters is some legitimate evidence that you actually do all these things you're claiming to be doing/ have knowledge about. There's been multiple people I know who can slurp up information online and spew that s*** back up as if they have some type of actual experience and knowledge about it.

    When are you going to get it through your thick head, almost nobody believes most of the things you're saying. Why don't you feel free to start a poll and ask who actually believes you're rubbish. make sure it's a poll where everyone can see who actually voted. Don't worry Tasha will vote for you.

  8. #28
    I could write point for counterpoint, but...why? The more you write the more stupid and ignorant you sound. And jealous.

    You're just a self-educated bore who goes on and on about things he knows little about. The less you know about something, the more you write about it!

    Which let's just say - for a moment - that it is okay to be uneducated, and education has little to do with being a successful gambler, fine - but at least stick to what you know don't presume to pass judgment on the stock market, the internet, SEO, financial transaction laws, casino or other credit, or anything that requires a little more than just whatever it is you have picked up off the streets.

    You also have never played any big sums at a casino, definitely not at any very high limit table game, you're a self-admitted small time player who hides his presence on the internet in offshore casinos, you never walked into a casino with a big credit line in your life, so stop commenting on what or what might not have happened in the world of high rollers - you've never been one.

    I am not trying to put you down, you're doing that quite successfully half the time you open your mouth. Just stick to what you know, you just appear silly when you try to appear like an expert on everything, or some kind of seer who knows what is real and what is not.
    Last edited by MDawg; 06-10-2020 at 11:13 PM.
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  9. #29
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    I am almost strictly a blackjack card counter AP. That is very different from most AP's on these forums that machine play makes up a good deal of their play. Strictly blackjack AP's of which there aren't many of us left, have been fighting the "war" with the casino industry for decades, the cat and mouse game, and all the infiltrating forums, and players switching sides that goes along with it. Decades...since long before I began playing. Machine players have only been fighting this war for a few years now (maybe 5). .
    What the hell are you talking about 5 years or so?

    I see what you said to Mickey. So I'm not sure what he misread or why you were saying that to him, but I'm getting the same impression he did.



    I played quite a bit of blackjack back up until about 2003 including pure card counting, obviously nowhere near as much card counting as you and many others have. I don't really care what the game is if there's a good enough advantage, I'll play it... including Sports, live keno, bingo, any and all table games, horses, poker, online and anything else you can think of.

    Aside from blackjack, while playing machines I've been playing a cat-and-mouse game with the casino since the 90s I was one of Bob N's very early cases where I was roughed up by the casino and that was simply because I was playing and hitting too many video poker progressives. I've been back roomed and 86ed at multiple casinos multiple times just for Advantage Playing machines, and that's just me. if you consider how many serious card counters there are versus how many serious machine players there are, I'm almost wondering if it isn't actually worse for machine players than blackjack players when it comes to back-rooming in an actual 86ing.

    I think your theories and the categories that you put blackjack players in are not as accurate as you think. If you're only communicating with 3 people how can you possibly come up with these categories assessments and statements? I certainly hope you're not getting your information from what people are saying online. I haven't been out Counting cards in a long time but the fact that I talk to a network with a lot of blackjack players, I'm going to hazard a guess to say that I can make a better assessment than you about the overall Blackjack community and what's going on.

    I really don't know what you're talking about when you say so few solo blackjack players out there, I can think of a bunch of them off the top of my head who are fairly successful. I think there's more solo successful Blackjack counters today than there ever was. Some of these guys have been doing it for many years. I think it's actually very rare for there to be a solo blackjack player such as yourself who actually doesn't hang out with and know multiple other Advantage players. At least not people that have been doing it for a number of years full time.

  10. #30




    You gotta understand, if Axel thinks something is true (or not true), he'll write volumes about it even though he has no personal experience in the matter, or what dim recollection he does have on the subject is faded through that terrible memory of his from decades ago.
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

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  11. #31
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    I could write point for counterpoint, but...why? The more you write the more stupid and ignorant you sound. And jealous.

    You're just a self-educated bore who goes on and on about things he knows little about. The less you know about something, the more you write about it!

    Which let's just say - for a moment - that it is okay to be uneducated, and education has little to do with being a successful gambler, fine - but at least stick to what you know don't presume to pass judgment on the stock market, the internet, SEO, financial transaction laws, casino or other credit, or anything that requires a little more than just whatever it is you have picked up off the streets.

    You also have never played any big sums at a casino, you're a self-admitted small time player who hides his presence on the internet in offshore casinos, you never walked into a casino with a big credit line in your life, so stop commenting on what or what might not have happened in the world of high rollers - you've never been one.

    I am not trying to put you down, you're doing that quite successfully half the time you open your mouth. Just stick to what you know, you just appear silly when you try to appear like an expert on everything, or some kind of seer who knows what is real and what is not.
    Let's take this one step at a time so you can't steer the conversation into another Direction.

    We've already went over all this before(perhaps somebody can help me find my response to this claim of his). Now you're completely lying and spinning s***. Please show me where I admitted I was a small-time gambler? Please show me this before you move on.

    I believe I said, I don't care if I'm playing pennies a spin or thousands a round, I have done it all, I only care about extracting the most money from the casino with the least amount of risk possible. That's just smart gambling.

    I'm 100% certain I put down much bigger bets and risked much more than you ever have. And no doubt, I've won more at one time than you ever have as well. But no I'm not some super high roller who dunks off his money and the high-limit room with no advantage. That's just f****** retarded in most people's opinion.

    I tell you what, I'll be happy to dig out a box full of old W-2g's, pictures, Witnesses and testimony and whatever other legitimate proof you have going back as far as you'd like and present it to Michael Shackelford to verify and make an assessment. And then you show him all your legitimate proof throughout the years. Whomever he believes won more and put more in action, the other person will have to f*** off ALL the forums for 3 months. Oh, I would also be willing to presented to dandruff as well.

  12. #32
    Just the fact that you're talking about a W-2g underscores how out of your league you are - trying to prove a SLOT MACHINE win to establish that you were a high roller at table games.

    Just like a wop to bring a knife to a gun fight.
    https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d0f1c08...f-13ef5eb59692

    This goes RIGHT back to your asking SiegfriedRoy for his "CTR" to prove his big table game win.

    PLEASE quit while you are behind, you've made enough of a fool of yourself tonight.


    Like I said,

    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    I am not trying to put you down, you're doing that quite successfully half the time you open your mouth. Just stick to what you know, you just appear silly when you try to appear like an expert on everything, or some kind of seer who knows what is real and what is not.
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

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  13. #33
    Hey, why don't we put a cherry on top we have 48 hours to round up as much cash as you possibly can then take a close up video of it while showing a majority of the bills close up and then we resent that video to them as well.

  14. #34
    Just reach into (or is it under?) your mattress I am sure all your cash is riiight there.

    Do I have to keep saying anything more, or do you just keep making my points about you for me?
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

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  15. #35
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    Just the fact that you're talking about a W-2g underscores how out of your league you are - trying to prove a SLOT MACHINE win to establish that you were a high roller at table games.

    This goes RIGHT back to your asking SiegfriedRoy for his "CTR" to prove his big table game win.

    PLEASE quit while you are behind, you've made enough of a fool of yourself tonight.


    Like I said,

    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    I am not trying to put you down, you're doing that quite successfully half the time you open your mouth. Just stick to what you know, you just appear silly when you try to appear like an expert on everything, or some kind of seer who knows what is real and what is not.
    Just like a wop to bring a knife to a gun fight.
    https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d0f1c08...f-13ef5eb59692
    Please show me where I ever said I was a high roller at table games?
    I bet have bet many thousands per hand on table games, I don't even know what you call that. I don't want to be a high roller, I want to do whatever rolling it takes to "roll" the casino.

    At least I have knowledge about table games where you seem to have zero knowledge about the rest of the games in the casino. Do you realize there's a much higher variance playing slots, video poker and other games than there is playing Baccarat?

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    Just reach into your mattress I am sure all your cash is riiight there.

    Do I have to keep saying anything more, or do you just keep making my points about you for me?
    Just as I expected, you won't show proof of the things you're claiming I said.
    And you're not willing to back up anything you say or claim.

  17. #37
    My point is simply that you know little or nothing about the things I have lived.

    On the other hand, I know very little about machine play.

    Stick to your slots. If I come in and try to school you on how I think that machine world works, then you may start calling me Axel.
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

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  18. #38
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    What the hell are you talking about 5 years or so?

    I see what you said to Mickey. So I'm not sure what he misread or why you were saying that to him, but I'm getting the same impression he did.
    Then maybe you too should re-read what I actually said.

    I didn't say machine AP has only been around 5 years. I said the war for machine players has only been 5 years or so, since the casino industry declared war on machine AP's much the same as blackjack players have been fighting for decades.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I think there's more solo successful Blackjack counters today than there ever was.
    You do?? I see maybe half dozen a year. 3 that are local and 3-4 that maybe I see once or twice a year, so I suspect they are on trips.

    Are we talking about the same things here? I am talking professional players playing black or above that make a living solely from blackjack card counting. I am not talking about low limit counters or weekend warriors, or players playing under bankrolled or too scared to through the money out. Again, I am talking about professional blackjack players, making a living only through card counting. You think there are more than there ever was? Well, they sure anit playing Vegas.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    What the hell are you talking about 5 years or so?

    I see what you said to Mickey. So I'm not sure what he misread or why you were saying that to him, but I'm getting the same impression he did.
    Then maybe you too should re-read what I actually said.

    I didn't say machine AP has only been around 5 years. I said the war for machine players has only been 5 years or so, since the casino industry declared war on machine AP's much the same as blackjack players have been fighting for decades.
    Nope, that's exactly what I interpreted it to be. Did you read my entire post where I basically said the casinos have been warring against machine players at least since the early 90s.

    How would you know, if you were not even around back then?

    If you don't play machines all that often, and you only know a few people that are Advantage players, how would you know what type of wars are going on outside of blackjack?
    For the most part I think there's a lot more people online airing their grievances about blackjack than other forms of Advantage Play. Card counters seem to be a chatty bunch online, so it might seem that way. You're way off on your 5-year estimate.

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