How does that answer the man's question? At least you didn't interject a homily.
How does that answer the man's question? At least you didn't interject a homily.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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I understand some of their responses. I do not play slot machines but when I play at the casinos I'm not a pro player and I do work for a major Casino chain. Believe me I know the rules and regulations regarding the attempted redemption slot machine tickets not belonging to a patron. That's not what I'm addressing here.
I'm just really looking to get an answer from Axelwolf because I interpret with the great detail and the great heromanship he is stressing, he must be doing it for sexual purposes.
To myself there would be no other reason for anyone to detail out what he has. And I'm really looking at it from an outsider's point of view in all sincerity.
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This kind of 'reasoning' is your problem not his.
Here. Let's turn the tables on you to illustrate your flawed attack.
'Whenever someone assigns "sexual purposes" to unremarkable internet postings it always indicates they have some deep seated sexual perversion. Are you a pedophile or a rapist?' Now Answer My Question.
See how easy that was?
I'll answer and it's simply no. The reason I came on the board here was because I'm taking a psychology class for my own educational purposes and some of the first things I read was Axel's. And since I'm in the casino industry I'd like to understand more about his overwhelming honesty that I rarely see on the casino floor in the situations he describes in great detail.
PS . As far as I know about rapists and pedophiles from my study is they do not talk about their perversions, acts and crimes at all. So as far as talking about it with a deep-seated sexual perversion you're completely off. Completely.
Now back to my question for Axle. Why would someone write in such great detail from years ago and exploit the fuck out of heromanship?
Cool. What psych class are you taking? Many of my compadres are social sciences professors and one is a neuroscience guy in the med school here. If you haven't already, you might want to read anthropologist Natasha Dow Schull's "Addiction by Design." It's the best gambling/social science book I have ever read. It'll get you up to date on the last 15 years or so of research and do it in an entertaining way. It spends a lot of time looking at the industry itself and in a fairly neutral way.
Also, and I mention this because part of this thread is devoted to the legitimacy of APs and all that. I was disgusted today as one offshore refused to allow me to deposit. I knew when I was put on hold a long time, it was a bad thing. It's one of the places I had SF to win the NFC last year, and they decided I am persona non grata. Well, it's either that or they figured out who my girlfriend is, and they banned her three years ago. For my ego's sake, I'll say it was the SF wager.
Dark Oz, I owe you an apology. If this idiot works for any casino in America, I was wrong to question any claim you ever made about any casino being clueless.
Unless of course there is a casino somewhere with peep booths in it and they have a boy that cleans the booths. I guess that would be considered “being in the casino industry”. And that is what he considers being on the floor.
ATTENTION BOZ!
Right now you are sitting at Avoid at Times on the list of lists, but another outbreak or two I'm going to have you moved from Avoid at Times to Avoid. It's up to you. That's your destiny on the Forum.
I love you guys even if you talk about peep shows and cleaning up sperm and doing it in the casino, I kind of understand but anyways I love you guys!
I myself left a sizable ticket in the machine a few years back. Within minutes it had been jacked. Got ahold of security, they put a freeze on that voucher and caught the guy at the cashier when it didn't work at the redemption machine.
It's not just etiquette but common sense. No AP is gonna jack a sizable ticket unless he is an idiot just begging to be 86'd.
And the idea he would jack a ticket and try to cash it a week later is (for the reasons given above) totally absurd. Might as well just extend the arms and ask for the cuffs in advance
I never said that only big-time AP plays would be true. That comment is just you trying to twist my words to fit your narrative.
I know you’ve read many of my posts in the past (since you responded to many) and know I don’t deny AP exists. There are all different levels of AP taking place. For example, there’s the well published roulette Phil Ivey level of AP (or maybe cheating however you want to look at it) worth millions. Another would be Don Johnson taking advantage by outsmarting casinos for millions playing BJ. Of course, there are many more well publicized AP moves from the past. It’s obvious all these plays won’t be duplicated unless current billion-dollar executives have been and still are living under a rock.
Now there’s the forum type of AP. For example, if what MickeyCrimm says is true which appears to be believable and what I like to call the 2-bit AP type. He also posted many examples of what he does. He works hard for his winnings. It requires a special type of personality. Being homeless, traveling the country side hitching onto trains, defending yourself against other homeless hobo’s, living in the woods. You could understand why he views his 2-bit AP success like winning the lottery. Yet, he truly earns it.
I’m certain there are also more lucrative AP plays that existed. We read about many of them too. I also understand once any AP play is exposed that play is usually over. But it’s the endless claims on forums of great success. Like Kewlj pulling off his BJ claims for over 15 years with 6-digit average annual wins without ever presenting a comp card. AxelAss with claims of decades of personal and team winnings. Then wants to attack anyone on the forums of claims of ever winning including other AP claims.
So, my comment quote “Personally, I think other than well published big-time advantage plays exposed in the past, most of forum AP’s are bullshitting, hustling, con artists.” Is exactly what I meant. If you need to come onto gambling forums and brag how clever and smart you are to beat casinos and live a lavish life is the true definition of a BULLSHIT ARTIST. This is also why I believe the PM backdoor must be an Advantage-Play in search of rookie suckers.
The truth of AP success or any other success can’t truly be measured till all the facts of that person’s life are considered. A millionaire today, a broken-down shoe on welfare the next.
Take it easy, bud, maybe I just misunderstood what you were trying to say. The way your post came off, it sounded like you were saying that the only people who discuss plays of any kind only do so with some sort of nefarious motive. That could well be more of a problem with the way I read it than the way you wrote it.
I think they pretty much always knew the Don Johnson thing was theoretically possible. There's actually a quite interesting documentary on Youtube that covers it. If you're interested and can't find it yourself, let me know, and I'll try to find it again. One of the keys to his overall plan (which was very multi-faceted) is that he'd established himself as being a mediocre Blackjack player, and according to him, actually was only slightly better than average. Once the trap had been laid, then he enlisted some help to learn the game perfectly. I found this pretty interesting because my immediate instinct was to pin all the blame on the casino execs, (and it still largely goes to them) but it turns out they were giving him the sort of perks that they'd have laid out for anyone else at that level; Johnson just knew how to exploit them.
I understand the point you're making about the claims, but from my perspective, Axelwolf hasn't made too much in the way of specific monetary claims. I'm not saying he's never made any, just that most of his claims are pretty vague in that regard. I don't know what the motivations are for KewlJ and Darkoz, because then all you end up getting into is having people (some might say detractors) wanting you to prove it. How are you going to do that? Posting your tax returns as well as a photograph of yourself holding up your state-issued ID next to your smiling face? I guess what I'm saying is that even if I was making bank---and I'm certainly not---I don't know what would compel me to get into financial specifics.
But, that's another thing: I imagine most AP's don't get into those kinds of specifics. There are probably innumerable people out there who read the various forums and Twitters, but you never hear a peep out of them. I even know a few AP's who either don't participate, or who have, but we haven't really seen them on the forums in years. Maybe they do the Twitter thing? I'm pretty lazy when it comes to following the gambling Twitter because I don't like the platform much for those purposes.
I would say I can understand where you're coming from, though I'd also suggest that your perspective is exaggerated. For instance, "PM Backdoor," is something that you make sound like this great underground nefarious thing added to the forums in order to facilitate these kind of dealings. While I haven't participated at any great number of non-gambling forums, I've participated at a few, and all of them have had PM functionality.
I also get confused by, "Rookie suckers." For example, the first time I met Axel, it was when I was going to Vegas (though we had spoken before that) and he compensated me to stop in a few casinos and do a simple task. It was all extremely upfront, go in, do x, get paid y. I would assume that it was profitable for him (at least, by expectation) to compensate me, otherwise, why else do it? Why would anyone offer anyone else money to do anything for them if the thing the person is doing is not expected to be profitable or to come with some other benefit? That just seems like common sense, to me.
So, it basically works like anything else. Is hiring someone to a job a, "Scam?" No. And, I would assume that if you're an employer the expectation is that what you will gain from the person's efforts (labor) exceeds what you are compensating them...at least, it must, or nobody would be able to stay in business.
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