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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    You're nothing more than an idiot.

    Every Newell comes with two squeegees. And every dealer provides a short version invoice for those registering their purchase out of state. I'm preparing the rig for sale as we speak. You can always make the trip over here in Nov. to place an order in front of me (when the ad's available you may have first shot right here)....but it's really out of reach for any big-mouthed struggling Californians.
    Last pics I saw that bad boy looked showroom ready. .........LMAO

    Anyway I'm all gassed up and ready to head to AZ in November for the viewing.....GOAT

    I may want to purchase it if Vegas keeps down trending the way it has been. May be time to hit the open road.
    Hard to tell what your saying but it'll be by appt. only, in Gilbert, and for serious/qualified buyers only. I'm financing if the buyer puts at least 1/3 down. Otherwise, interested parties will have to bring their own financing with them. At the very least, you'll become educated on buying something other than a Honda or a pick up. And while the state requires masks for this kind of stuff, I don't.

    Mdawg, let this also be a lesson for your ego. If some don't want to believe you after several attempts then let it go. If you're being honest the time will come when you serve crow for their meal and they eat cake for dessert.

  2. #22
    Rob has a point.


    As far as all this

    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I just went and read some WoV. It is quite obvious that MDawg must be filling up the Wiz's PM box with complaints against every one of his non believers. Wizard would not interject stuff like this if he wasn't receiving complaints personally from some whining ass bitch boy.

    There are numerous proofs if one looks. Pretty pathetic that a high powered attorney has to try and get Mike to defend and protect him.....LOL

    Then again, he ran back to Cuckland as fast as he could once the ban was lifted. Cuck gonna cuck out, I guess.
    I put the under over on daily moderator complaints by MDawg at 2.5. How many whiny complaints have you made this past week Dawg?.....pretty pathetic
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    That honest comment, was from DRich of all people, one of Shanks best buddy's. No doubt he went crying to the dicktator.

    I don’t have a problem with DRich “we reach”

    on many levels.

    But if someone steps out of line I tell him straight to his face
    https://memes.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/e...5-15ea9896acce

    just like I did to DRich.

    Anyway, again, you guys think too much. After I pointed out to DRich himself that he was out of line OnceDear came in and warned him, so what. It’s their job.

    According to your theory then, anyone who crosses me is going to get suspended? If so, that would mean that I’m valued higher than anyone who gets suspended for crossing me? Cool story, I’m not buying it, but apparently AxelWolf is – no wonder he imploded when he got suspended over insulting me. No, the reality must be that admin is trying to clean up WOV over all and anyone who steps out of line is going down. I see even handed justice lately is all.
    Last edited by MDawg; 09-06-2020 at 07:18 PM.
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  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Wynnpleasure775 View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post

    So are you saying that I fooled a few people? because no one bought your Squeegee act. Actually I came on and predicted exactly what you would do after the Squeegee and receipt from hell fiascoes...that you'd first disappear for a while, to make people think you were away so that you wouldn't need to respond closely to the ridicule, then come back and post some irrelevancies for a while to try and muddy the water, and finally come up with some excuse for why you no longer owned the camper. Was I close? I mean if I may predict all that so well, why can't I follow a simple Baccarat shoe? or predict the outcome of a U.S. election.

    Still love ya' though, I don't care if you have a $20000 or $20000000 camper. Just give me your address and I'll mail you some expensive vitamins. This offer is open to Rob only since he doesn't believe in vitamins and I'd like to make a believer out of him. I'm serious.

    So you are a drug dealer too? That might make some sense if you are fucked up most of the time.

    You are a total asshole. May BLM come to your neighborhood next and “Eat the Rich”.

    And for a rich asshole, you sure have a shitty Holiday weekend Sunday going on sitting around posting all day.

    My excuse? Airport.
    Hey wait just a fucking cock sucking second! Come the fuck on man really!

    So he spends 22 hours on the board one day and none the next. And you spend 12 hours a day on the board for two days. So the fuck what?

    So he wins $1,000,000 at the baccarat table in a session lasting 28 hours straight and you win $1,000,000 in a session lasting 2 hours. So the fuck what?

    So you took EXACTLY six hours to finally allow your wife to orgasm after numerous viagra doses, two burned-out vibrators and finally paying a member of the BLM movement to use his extra large tool she always desired. And he took EXACTLY 6 minutes to get his wife off to the point of orgasm and the other 5 hours and 54 minutes on the forum here fucking with you, kicked back with a pitcher of his favorite drink and a plate of lobster and shrimp appetizers. So the fuck what?

    Maybe Sunday's his day to fuck around so what and possibly on Wednesday his wife invites two young gorgeous 22 year olds over to perform wild sex with him as well engaging in a foursome and put on a lesbian show to whatever specifications he might cite. So the fuck what? And you work all day Wednesday, go home and eat a TV dinner, then you jack off, then you go to sleep watching reruns of some fucked up TV show or CNN? Again, So the fuck what? We DON'T give a shit!

    Why keep track of time? Time doesn't prove SHIT? Unless of course you're on your deathbed and if you are just go ahead and flip the switch off and get the fuck out!
    No alter ego Rob, MDawg chows down on lobster and Argentine jumbo shrimp. Not what you insinuated.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by Wynnpleasure775 View Post
    Axel I didn't realize so much money around the casinos with the discarded tickets.

    As numerous people have said you pick up tickets that are left behind. Now I understand.

    I love all of you guys and of course the occasional transvestite, transsexual or alien implemented within the forum audience

    https://vitalvegas.com/caesars-enter...ng-change/amp/
    You're obviously a sock puppet troll. And Boz's right, you don't deserve a comment. However, for the benefit of others out there who might be interested in or dabbling in Advantage Play I'll make a comment. Interesting enough, the subject came up the other day with a group of us because of the change shortage there seems to be a lot more abandoned tickets floating around the casino I guess that's because the small change tickets don't seem to work in the kiosk.


    I said that I thought that might actually be illegal to take tickets in Nevada but I really don't know the law regarding that because it's not something that I do. And the people that know me, know I hate going out of my way to cash in tickets, and I'm not talking about small change either. Sometimes when I'm eager to leave I just fold them up and put them in my wallet or a pocket figuring out cash them in another time oftentimes I just pawn them off to somebody else the cash in for me for a small fee.

    Anyways, I don't suggest anyone interested in Advantage play are in the advantage play business touch abandoned tickets it's not worth the risk of getting 86'ed over something so stupid.

    A few years back we were on a big play out of state where we encountered a competing AP team. What I mean by competing is the fact that there were only a couple really good machines for this particular play available also you know there's a limited amount of money the casino will give away before they change the rules.

    On this particular play you would reach your goal and you yourself would be done for the day, so we would have to rotate in and out players on a couple of machines.
    I want to sit down on one of the machines and lo and behold there was a large amount of money on there. I can't remember exactly how much, but I'm pretty sure it was around or over $1,000. I wasn't 100% sure who had this been on that particular machine, but I assumed it had to be one of the competing team members who hit the jackpot and forgot about the credits. I cashed the ticket out and put it on the side hoping a person would remember and come back for it but no one did. So I approached who I thought was running that particular team and ask if had they been playing it, he said, "yes", and explain that he had just had a bigger jackpot. I proceeded to give him the ticket and said, "I think this is yours". The guy was highly appreciative and sure enough it was just as I expected as he went to explain that he was so excited he hit the jackpot that he didn't even realize he had money still left on the machine after he got his hand pay.

    If you're an advantage player and you come up on a machine you want to play that has money on it you should probably just cash it out and put it on top of the machine.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Wynnpleasure775 View Post
    Axel I didn't realize so much money around the casinos with the discarded tickets.

    As numerous people have said you pick up tickets that are left behind. Now I understand.

    I love all of you guys and of course the occasional transvestite, transsexual or alien implemented within the forum audience

    https://vitalvegas.com/caesars-enter...ng-change/amp/
    You're obviously a sock puppet troll. And Boz's right, you don't deserve a comment. However, for the benefit of others out there who might be interested in or dabbling in Advantage Play I'll make a comment. Interesting enough, the subject came up the other day with a group of us because of the change shortage there seems to be a lot more abandoned tickets floating around the casino I guess that's because the small change tickets don't seem to work in the kiosk.


    I said that I thought that might actually be illegal to take tickets in Nevada but I really don't know the law regarding that because it's not something that I do. And the people that know me, know I hate going out of my way to cash in tickets, and I'm not talking about small change either. Sometimes when I'm eager to leave I just fold them up and put them in my wallet or a pocket figuring out cash them in another time oftentimes I just pawn them off to somebody else the cash in for me for a small fee.

    Anyways, I don't suggest anyone interested in Advantage play are in the advantage play business touch abandoned tickets it's not worth the risk of getting 86'ed over something so stupid.

    A few years back we were on a big play out of state where we encountered a competing AP team. What I mean by competing is the fact that there were only a couple really good machines for this particular play available also you know there's a limited amount of money the casino will give away before they change the rules.

    On this particular play you would reach your goal and you yourself would be done for the day, so we would have to rotate in and out players on a couple of machines.
    I want to sit down on one of the machines and lo and behold there was a large amount of money on there. I can't remember exactly how much, but I'm pretty sure it was around or over $1,000. I wasn't 100% sure who had this been on that particular machine, but I assumed it had to be one of the competing team members who hit the jackpot and forgot about the credits. I cashed the ticket out and put it on the side hoping a person would remember and come back for it but no one did. So I approached who I thought was running that particular team and ask if had they been playing it, he said, "yes", and explain that he had just had a bigger jackpot. I proceeded to give him the ticket and said, "I think this is yours". The guy was highly appreciative and sure enough it was just as I expected as he went to explain that he was so excited he hit the jackpot that he didn't even realize he had money still left on the machine after he got his hand pay.

    If you're an advantage player and you come up on a machine you want to play that has money on it you should probably just cash it out and put it on top of the machine.
    I'm not going to waste my fucking time. Because you're first on the list according to MDawg!

    LOOK:

    AVOID:
    AxelWolf – you already danced that dance no need to elaborate


    And as far as if I love you or not, you know what you stupid fucking asshoIe?
    I love you man!

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    You're nothing more than an idiot.

    Every Newell comes with two squeegees. And every dealer provides a short version invoice for those registering their purchase out of state. I'm preparing the rig for sale as we speak. You can always make the trip over here in Nov. to place an order in front of me (when the ad's available you may have first shot right here)....but it's really out of reach for any big-mouthed struggling Californians.
    Last pics I saw that bad boy looked showroom ready. .........LMAO

    Anyway I'm all gassed up and ready to head to AZ in November for the viewing.....GOAT

    I may want to purchase it if Vegas keeps down trending the way it has been. May be time to hit the open road.
    Hard to tell what your saying but it'll be by appt. only, in Gilbert, and for serious/qualified buyers only. I'm financing if the buyer puts at least 1/3 down. Otherwise, interested parties will have to bring their own financing with them. At the very least, you'll become educated on buying something other than a Honda or a pick up. And while the state requires masks for this kind of stuff, I don't.

    Mdawg, let this also be a lesson for your ego. If some don't want to believe you after several attempts then let it go. If you're being honest the time will come when you serve crow for their meal and they eat cake for dessert.
    As November approaches it seems you are backing away from showing the Newell to me. Now that you realize I'm willing to come down. I guess this was to be expected. Gilbert is perfect as it is so close to Talking Stick.

  7. #27
    Made another visit today to check in on the content and the level of stupidity conversations can get here. Of course, never to be disappointed of how low that level could actually reach. It appears the stupidity level on this forum has a bottomless pit.

    Just read the posts on both pages of this thread up to this point. It’s the same 6/7 members that try to out do the stupidity of the previous poster.

    It only took 23 posts to drag back the biggest bullshitting stupidity member AxelAss with his decades old experience response. Better known as Mr. Righteous in the AP community and to the fools here that buy his bullshit. This guy won’t even spell out a bad word without using the *******. This phony fraud has so much money he hates cashing out tickets and shoves them in his pockets. He’s willing to give up some of the cash he works for just to let someone else cash them for him. I remember once reading how he explained finding thousands of dollars in tickets he forgot he even had when he found them. He even found a thousand dollars in credits on a machine and hunted down the player who left it there. I don’t think this bullshit artist even realizes anymore how ridiculous and the level of stupidity he projects with his posts.

    The same group of people here that buy into all of this AxelAss bullshit like it’s scripture or carved in stone simply because he posted it, (without a single iota of proof ever in decades) are similar to the mentality of never Trumpers. Some anonymous person could say Trump gets fucked in the ass every night by 2 different staffers, and if they don’t come in his ass they get fired. That would be headlines for CNN and lots of fist pumping among the un-educated never Trumpers.

    So just carry on. Looking forward to seeing how deep the stupidity pit can get.

    You can’t make this shit up.

    Edit: I see Mickey here now. Just wait for it...lol

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Wynnpleasure775 View Post
    Axel I didn't realize so much money around the casinos with the discarded tickets.

    As numerous people have said you pick up tickets that are left behind. Now I understand.

    I love all of you guys and of course the occasional transvestite, transsexual or alien implemented within the forum audience

    https://vitalvegas.com/caesars-enter...ng-change/amp/
    You're obviously a sock puppet troll. And Boz's right, you don't deserve a comment. However, for the benefit of others out there who might be interested in or dabbling in Advantage Play I'll make a comment. Interesting enough, the subject came up the other day with a group of us because of the change shortage there seems to be a lot more abandoned tickets floating around the casino I guess that's because the small change tickets don't seem to work in the kiosk.


    I said that I thought that might actually be illegal to take tickets in Nevada but I really don't know the law regarding that because it's not something that I do. And the people that know me, know I hate going out of my way to cash in tickets, and I'm not talking about small change either. Sometimes when I'm eager to leave I just fold them up and put them in my wallet or a pocket figuring out cash them in another time oftentimes I just pawn them off to somebody else the cash in for me for a small fee.

    Anyways, I don't suggest anyone interested in Advantage play are in the advantage play business touch abandoned tickets it's not worth the risk of getting 86'ed over something so stupid.

    A few years back we were on a big play out of state where we encountered a competing AP team. What I mean by competing is the fact that there were only a couple really good machines for this particular play available also you know there's a limited amount of money the casino will give away before they change the rules.

    On this particular play you would reach your goal and you yourself would be done for the day, so we would have to rotate in and out players on a couple of machines.
    I want to sit down on one of the machines and lo and behold there was a large amount of money on there. I can't remember exactly how much, but I'm pretty sure it was around or over $1,000. I wasn't 100% sure who had this been on that particular machine, but I assumed it had to be one of the competing team members who hit the jackpot and forgot about the credits. I cashed the ticket out and put it on the side hoping a person would remember and come back for it but no one did. So I approached who I thought was running that particular team and ask if had they been playing it, he said, "yes", and explain that he had just had a bigger jackpot. I proceeded to give him the ticket and said, "I think this is yours". The guy was highly appreciative and sure enough it was just as I expected as he went to explain that he was so excited he hit the jackpot that he didn't even realize he had money still left on the machine after he got his hand pay.

    If you're an advantage player and you come up on a machine you want to play that has money on it you should probably just cash it out and put it on top of the machine.
    At the Riverside in Laughlin I found a play on a $1 Diamond Mine. The bill accepter wouldn't work so I stuck a $10 bill in the machine beside it intending to hit the cashout button and use the tokes to play the Diamond Mine. The machine racked up 200 credits. They had put a nickel bill accepter in a dollar machine.

    In that spot a lot of guys would have emptied the hopper twice then walked to avoid the three fill check. But the way to make a lot of money is play the machine and take the handpays. In those days $400 jackpots and higher were handpays at Riverside. It was a 5X game so carried the right variance.

    I can't remember if it was a two-coin or three-coin machine but if it was two-coin them I would be paying 10 cents per $2 spin on a game with about a 90% return. In other words, I'm going to crush it.

    I thought about the long term implications of the play. Did I really want to take a chance on losing the Riverside just to make a quick score? I decided I didn't and called over a slot attendent.

    When slot operations got out there I pointed the problem out and asked them to give me my $10 back. They said it would have taken them forever to figure out the problem, that I was an honest guy, and gladly refunded my $10.

    I was just protecting my own ass.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 09-07-2020 at 05:20 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Made another visit today to check in on the content and the level of stupidity conversations can get here. Of course, never to be disappointed of how low that level could actually reach. It appears the stupidity level on this forum has a bottomless pit.

    Just read the posts on both pages of this thread up to this point. It’s the same 6/7 members that try to out do the stupidity of the previous poster.

    It only took 23 posts to drag back the biggest bullshitting stupidity member AxelAss with his decades old experience response. Better known as Mr. Righteous in the AP community and to the fools here that buy his bullshit. This guy won’t even spell out a bad word without using the *******. This phony fraud has so much money he hates cashing out tickets and shoves them in his pockets. He’s willing to give up some of the cash he works for just to let someone else cash them for him. I remember once reading how he explained finding thousands of dollars in tickets he forgot he even had when he found them. He even found a thousand dollars in credits on a machine and hunted down the player who left it there. I don’t think this bullshit artist even realizes anymore how ridiculous and the level of stupidity he projects with his posts.

    The same group of people here that buy into all of this AxelAss bullshit like it’s scripture or carved in stone simply because he posted it, (without a single iota of proof ever in decades) are similar to the mentality of never Trumpers. Some anonymous person could say Trump gets fucked in the ass every night by 2 different staffers, and if they don’t come in his ass they get fired. That would be headlines for CNN and lots of fist pumping among the un-educated never Trumpers.

    So just carry on. Looking forward to seeing how deep the stupidity pit can get.

    You can’t make this shit up.

    Edit: I see Mickey here now. Just wait for it...lol
    With each and every post, Cuckhole, you continue to prove what an idiot you are.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Wynnpleasure775 View Post
    Axel I didn't realize so much money around the casinos with the discarded tickets.

    As numerous people have said you pick up tickets that are left behind. Now I understand.

    I love all of you guys and of course the occasional transvestite, transsexual or alien implemented within the forum audience

    https://vitalvegas.com/caesars-enter...ng-change/amp/
    You're obviously a sock puppet troll. And Boz's right, you don't deserve a comment. However, for the benefit of others out there who might be interested in or dabbling in Advantage Play I'll make a comment. Interesting enough, the subject came up the other day with a group of us because of the change shortage there seems to be a lot more abandoned tickets floating around the casino I guess that's because the small change tickets don't seem to work in the kiosk.


    I said that I thought that might actually be illegal to take tickets in Nevada but I really don't know the law regarding that because it's not something that I do. And the people that know me, know I hate going out of my way to cash in tickets, and I'm not talking about small change either. Sometimes when I'm eager to leave I just fold them up and put them in my wallet or a pocket figuring out cash them in another time oftentimes I just pawn them off to somebody else the cash in for me for a small fee.

    Anyways, I don't suggest anyone interested in Advantage play are in the advantage play business touch abandoned tickets it's not worth the risk of getting 86'ed over something so stupid.

    A few years back we were on a big play out of state where we encountered a competing AP team. What I mean by competing is the fact that there were only a couple really good machines for this particular play available also you know there's a limited amount of money the casino will give away before they change the rules.

    On this particular play you would reach your goal and you yourself would be done for the day, so we would have to rotate in and out players on a couple of machines.
    I want to sit down on one of the machines and lo and behold there was a large amount of money on there. I can't remember exactly how much, but I'm pretty sure it was around or over $1,000. I wasn't 100% sure who had this been on that particular machine, but I assumed it had to be one of the competing team members who hit the jackpot and forgot about the credits. I cashed the ticket out and put it on the side hoping a person would remember and come back for it but no one did. So I approached who I thought was running that particular team and ask if had they been playing it, he said, "yes", and explain that he had just had a bigger jackpot. I proceeded to give him the ticket and said, "I think this is yours". The guy was highly appreciative and sure enough it was just as I expected as he went to explain that he was so excited he hit the jackpot that he didn't even realize he had money still left on the machine after he got his hand pay.

    If you're an advantage player and you come up on a machine you want to play that has money on it you should probably just cash it out and put it on top of the machine.
    Axel please this is a serious question.

    You have labeled me numerous things and I'm willing to put that all aside. Just answer this because I know other people have the same question a couple of them have message me wondering the same thing about you.

    Do you actually orgasm when you write what you write about slot machines and finding the money?

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    He even found a thousand dollars in credits on a machine and hunted down the player who left it there. I don’t think this bullshit artist even realizes anymore how ridiculous and the level of stupidity he projects with his posts.

    The same group of people here that buy into all of this AxelAss bullshit like it’s scripture or carved in stone simply because he posted it...l
    (Quote clipped, relevance)

    This is the sort of thing that you have to understand the reasoning, and I think MickeyCrimm did a good job by giving another example.

    1.) It's not worth getting tossed from the casino. Even if, for one reason or another, you're not inclined to believe Axelwolf's story, (don't know why you wouldn't) the conditions for giving the ticket back make total sense. He's on a promotional-type play that one would assume has good value, he knows who left the ticket and you don't want to lose the play or the casino.

    2.) This is especially true if you KNOW (or strongly believe you know) who the ticket belongs to: It's stealing. Some people are not inclined to flatly steal money/credits/ticket. It's still stealing if you don't know who it belongs to, just not necessarily in the legal sense, depending on the state.

    3.) If he did take it and the other person realized what happened and came over for it, even if Axel would intend to give it back without an argument, the guy might still get pretty hot. That could lead to a heated verbal altercation. You don't want to be having heated verbal altercations in a casino if you're an AP, or if you're anyone else for that matter...easiest thing for security to do is just toss everyone when that happens.

    It's important to remember that the casino wants to project a certain environment and these types of altercations take away from that environment. 99%+ of people in the casino have an expectation of losing money, so if you have an expectation of winning, don't mess with the folks who are giving money to the casino or bother them in any way.

    4.) It's really not worth getting 86'ed over. Some casinos won't just arbitrarily throw out AP's, especially those AP's who are playing by the rules, unless the AP gives them an excuse to do so. Jacking a 1k ticket would certainly provide such an excuse. If I saw a 1k ticket in any casino, but especially a place I go regularly, no way I touch it unless it is to give it to the owner of the ticket, to security or place on top of the machine. I'd probably go with giving it to security if I wasn't 100% sure of the owner (for a ticket of that amount). That's not exclusively out of any great moral regard; it's mainly because that casino should be worth more than $1,000 to me lifetime, which makes getting kicked out -EV. I'm not saying moral considerations don't exist, but even from a primarily AP perspective, you don't want to do it.

    5.) There are states where this would be a straight up crime. Pennsylvania and Colorado are two such states. Even in the states where you could take an abandoned ticket, (legally) knowing who the rightful owner of the ticket is (if they can prove you knew) might make a difference as to the legality.

    As far as selling tickets at a discount to someone going to a particular casino anyway, that's not ridiculously uncommon. Sometimes you stick a ticket in your pocket or wallet and forget about it. I almost never do, but that's mostly because I rarely have more than one ticket on me at a time. Imagine I'm working with an AP at a casino three hours away and he's got a ticket for a casino near where I'm going back to (that I go to regularly) for $80.xx. He might say something like, "Give me sixty bucks for it and we'll call it good. You'll obviously be there at some point."

    Believe what you like, but that's not an uncommon transaction. I think I've forgotten to cash a ticket once, lifetime, but some people seem to make a habit of it.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    He even found a thousand dollars in credits on a machine and hunted down the player who left it there. I don’t think this bullshit artist even realizes anymore how ridiculous and the level of stupidity he projects with his posts.

    The same group of people here that buy into all of this AxelAss bullshit like it’s scripture or carved in stone simply because he posted it...l
    (Quote clipped, relevance)

    This is the sort of thing that you have to understand the reasoning, and I think MickeyCrimm did a good job by giving another example.

    1.) It's not worth getting tossed from the casino. Even if, for one reason or another, you're not inclined to believe Axelwolf's story, (don't know why you wouldn't) the conditions for giving the ticket back make total sense. He's on a promotional-type play that one would assume has good value, he knows who left the ticket and you don't want to lose the play or the casino.

    2.) This is especially true if you KNOW (or strongly believe you know) who the ticket belongs to: It's stealing. Some people are not inclined to flatly steal money/credits/ticket. It's still stealing if you don't know who it belongs to, just not necessarily in the legal sense, depending on the state.

    3.) If he did take it and the other person realized what happened and came over for it, even if Axel would intend to give it back without an argument, the guy might still get pretty hot. That could lead to a heated verbal altercation. You don't want to be having heated verbal altercations in a casino if you're an AP, or if you're anyone else for that matter...easiest thing for security to do is just toss everyone when that happens.

    It's important to remember that the casino wants to project a certain environment and these types of altercations take away from that environment. 99%+ of people in the casino have an expectation of losing money, so if you have an expectation of winning, don't mess with the folks who are giving money to the casino or bother them in any way.

    4.) It's really not worth getting 86'ed over. Some casinos won't just arbitrarily throw out AP's, especially those AP's who are playing by the rules, unless the AP gives them an excuse to do so. Jacking a 1k ticket would certainly provide such an excuse. If I saw a 1k ticket in any casino, but especially a place I go regularly, no way I touch it unless it is to give it to the owner of the ticket, to security or place on top of the machine. I'd probably go with giving it to security if I wasn't 100% sure of the owner (for a ticket of that amount). That's not exclusively out of any great moral regard; it's mainly because that casino should be worth more than $1,000 to me lifetime, which makes getting kicked out -EV. I'm not saying moral considerations don't exist, but even from a primarily AP perspective, you don't want to do it.

    5.) There are states where this would be a straight up crime. Pennsylvania and Colorado are two such states. Even in the states where you could take an abandoned ticket, (legally) knowing who the rightful owner of the ticket is (if they can prove you knew) might make a difference as to the legality.

    As far as selling tickets at a discount to someone going to a particular casino anyway, that's not ridiculously uncommon. Sometimes you stick a ticket in your pocket or wallet and forget about it. I almost never do, but that's mostly because I rarely have more than one ticket on me at a time. Imagine I'm working with an AP at a casino three hours away and he's got a ticket for a casino near where I'm going back to (that I go to regularly) for $80.xx. He might say something like, "Give me sixty bucks for it and we'll call it good. You'll obviously be there at some point."

    Believe what you like, but that's not an uncommon transaction. I think I've forgotten to cash a ticket once, lifetime, but some people seem to make a habit of it.

    All valid common sense points, without emotion as always from you. Some people refuse to believe AP is possible and nothing you say or do will change some minds. As with the discussion going on at WoV, some think luck is more important. Or believe they can sense the cards coming. It’s BS and we know it from math and common sense.

    The bigger issue is you and I both know Axel, and others who know what they are talking about. But that doesn’t matter to some because we are “part of the scam or hustle”. By the way, when are we getting paid for “being part of the scam”? It’s why there is little business discussions on here, that could happen without giving away secrets. I even give KJ credit for trying to bring up legitimate topics at times. And Mick has always been a great source of information that no one should question.

    But instead, you just get shit for it. So if you are like me, it’s easier to go into the gutter for entertainment. Especially for those you know are full of shit. But I appreciate you always taking the high road. You’re a good dude Mission.

  13. #33
    You write in detail from YEARS AGO, and I'm quoting just a little piece of what you wrote below. I'm going to ask you a question after the quoted writing from yourself.

    QUOTE:

    "A few years back we were on a big play out of state where we encountered a competing AP team. What I mean by competing is the fact that there were only a couple really good machines for this particular play available also you know there's a limited amount of money the casino will give away before they change the rules.

    On this particular play you would reach your goal and you yourself would be done for the day, so we would have to rotate in and out players on a couple of machines.

    I want to sit down on one of the machines and lo and behold there was a large amount of money on there. I can't remember exactly how much, but I'm pretty sure it was around or over $1,000. I wasn't 100% sure who had this been on that particular machine, but I assumed it had to be one of the competing team members who hit the jackpot and forgot about the credits. I cashed the ticket out and put it on the side hoping a person would remember and come back for it but no one did. So I approached who I thought was running that particular team and ask if had they been playing it, he said, "yes", and explain that he had just had a bigger jackpot. I proceeded to give him the ticket and said, "I think this is yours". The guy was highly appreciative and sure enough it was just as I expected as he went to explain that he was so excited he hit the jackpot that he didn't even realize he had money still left on the machine after he got his hand pay."

    QUESTION:

    I am wondering and I would really appreciate your answer to the following question: Do you orgasm while writing all of these explicit details from years ago about finding money in slot machines, hunting people down and being the hero big dog?

  14. #34
    Thanks for all that information Mission. Can you pm me a copy of the AP etiquette book?

    How about AxelAss takes that $1,00.00 ticket and puts it in his pocket. If anyone comes up to him while he’s playing the machine, he could hand it off or say I didn’t want to lose the machine and was going to bring it to security when done.

    Like he said in his bullshit post he guessed whose it was but had to seek out the team leader to be certain. Let’s say he didn’t seek him out right away and forgot about it. Now a week later lo and behold he finds the ticket at home. Then let’s say he breaks the code of AP honor and then offers a friend going to that casino later $200.00 to cash it for him.

    According to a few active AP’s on these boards, they are willing to admit the hustling back-stabbing life full time AP’s live. Even you Mission and all other AP’s are just everyday hustlers. That’s okay with me, to each his own. Just stop trying to convince others of how righteous you are when everyone knows better. Gambling’s past and present reputation says otherwise.

    I also think the forum hustlers main reason to be on these forums is to get what you can from suckers looking for the fast bucks through the pm services.

    Personally, I think other than well published big-time advantage plays exposed in the past, most of forum AP’s are bullshitting, hustling, con artists.

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Thanks for all that information Mission. Can you pm me a copy of the AP etiquette book?

    How about AxelAss takes that $1,00.00 ticket and puts it in his pocket. If anyone comes up to him while he’s playing the machine, he could hand it off or say I didn’t want to lose the machine and was going to bring it to security when done.

    Like he said in his bullshit post he guessed whose it was but had to seek out the team leader to be certain. Let’s say he didn’t seek him out right away and forgot about it. Now a week later lo and behold he finds the ticket at home. Then let’s say he breaks the code of AP honor and then offers a friend going to that casino later $200.00 to cash it for him.

    According to a few active AP’s on these boards, they are willing to admit the hustling back-stabbing life full time AP’s live. Even you Mission and all other AP’s are just everyday hustlers. That’s okay with me, to each his own. Just stop trying to convince others of how righteous you are when everyone knows better. Gambling’s past and present reputation says otherwise.

    I also think the forum hustlers main reason to be on these forums is to get what you can from suckers looking for the fast bucks through the pm services.

    Personally, I think other than well published big-time advantage plays exposed in the past, most of forum AP’s are bullshitting, hustling, con artists.
    Excellent and flawless post.

    I love you man!

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post


    All valid common sense points, without emotion as always from you. Some people refuse to believe AP is possible and nothing you say or do will change some minds. As with the discussion going on at WoV, some think luck is more important. Or believe they can sense the cards coming. It’s BS and we know it from math and common sense.

    The bigger issue is you and I both know Axel, and others who know what they are talking about. But that doesn’t matter to some because we are “part of the scam or hustle”. By the way, when are we getting paid for “being part of the scam”? It’s why there is little business discussions on here, that could happen without giving away secrets. I even give KJ credit for trying to bring up legitimate topics at times. And Mick has always been a great source of information that no one should question.

    But instead, you just get shit for it. So if you are like me, it’s easier to go into the gutter for entertainment. Especially for those you know are full of shit. But I appreciate you always taking the high road. You’re a good dude Mission.
    Thanks for the compliment! I wouldn't consider myself a good dude, all considered, but I'm pretty okay in some ways.

    Honestly, if people don't want to believe machine AP is even possible, all the better for me and all other people who are primarily vultures. The biggest thing about vulturing machines is that most plays aren't particularly hard to figure out, if you're willing to believe that advantages sometimes exist in the first place. Some machines can be tougher to figure out than others, but then people who are paying attention (other vultures, mainly) might see you playing something they don't know about...which is enough to tell them there's probably something to it.

    The main thing that I didn't like about that section of the post (the rest I left unchallenged) is the implication that not jacking the ticket was a stupid thing to do. I wouldn't want people (especially AP's starting out, or weekend warriors) to get the impression that you can just run around jacking tickets with complete impunity.

    I'm also not terribly concerned with whether or not people believe my claims. I tend not to make claims in terms of money or vulturing findings mainly because nothing I do (and none of my numbers) should ever impress anyone. But, a more important reason is just because there's no percentage in making any such claims. It leads to the same conversation every time. People want proof of every single play and then you're kind of backed into a corner where you can be called out for lying/exaggerating, or alternatively, you basically have to give away the playbook to prove yourself. Such conversations aren't worth it for, "Forum cred," or whatever it is someone would call it.

    Nothing wrong with going to the gutter for entertainment, end of the day we're all here because it entertains us, or at least passes the time, on some level. People can deny that as much as they want to, but if they were extremely bored with everything about the forums, then they would never visit or talk about it. I don't enjoy sewing, for example, so I don't sew and nor do I visit sewing message boards to explain to the seamers and seamstresses how much I think sewing sucks. Why would I? If they like to sew, then good for them, they can have sewing.
    Last edited by Mission146; 09-07-2020 at 08:36 AM.

  17. #37
    People that post shit like this are just looking for attaboys or to convince people "Look at me I`m a good guy"

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Thanks for all that information Mission. Can you pm me a copy of the AP etiquette book?

    How about AxelAss takes that $1,00.00 ticket and puts it in his pocket. If anyone comes up to him while he’s playing the machine, he could hand it off or say I didn’t want to lose the machine and was going to bring it to security when done.

    Like he said in his bullshit post he guessed whose it was but had to seek out the team leader to be certain. Let’s say he didn’t seek him out right away and forgot about it. Now a week later lo and behold he finds the ticket at home. Then let’s say he breaks the code of AP honor and then offers a friend going to that casino later $200.00 to cash it for him.

    According to a few active AP’s on these boards, they are willing to admit the hustling back-stabbing life full time AP’s live. Even you Mission and all other AP’s are just everyday hustlers. That’s okay with me, to each his own. Just stop trying to convince others of how righteous you are when everyone knows better. Gambling’s past and present reputation says otherwise.

    I also think the forum hustlers main reason to be on these forums is to get what you can from suckers looking for the fast bucks through the pm services.

    Personally, I think other than well published big-time advantage plays exposed in the past, most of forum AP’s are bullshitting, hustling, con artists.
    Perhaps I'll write one once I have more knowledge on the subject and mail you an autographed copy.

    How about you take it and put it in your pocket? It's your decision to make. I tend to think you lose most deniability by that point. Anytime I find an extremely low value ticket, I just print it off and put it on top of the machine. If the ticket is of a value that's not ridiculously low, then I print it out and take it to a security podium careful to make sure never to conceal it from view/eye-in-the-sky, but that's just me. Again, there is potentially a moral consideration, but that's not even my primary concern. My primary concern is maybe I can run around and vulture the machines with impunity, because after all, I'm not breaking any rules...but perhaps the casino would be inclined to toss me if I ever step out of line or break any spoken/unspoken rules. They have no particular reason to want me there if I'm only playing with a +EV.*

    *ADDED: I obviously don't run around taking tickets to security all day. The only reason that I would do this is because I want to, 'Check," the machine.

    I don't know about this code of AP honor that you speak of. I'm certain that some AP's, and some non-AP's, would just take the ticket without a second thought. I'm sure some people wouldn't. I'm simply discussing the considerations that go into making the decision (outside of moral considerations) whether or not taking it is +EV or -EV.

    I am an everyday hustler and I'm not at all righteous. I don't donate 25% of my winnings to churches, food banks or anything along those lines. I don't try to play +EV because I hate the casinos and what they do to certain people. I dislike some policies, but don't have a hatred for the broader industry such that I consider it predatory, at least, not any more predatory than innumerable others.

    I think the problem that some people have is that they want the casino industry (both sides) to be this big underhanded affair. Sometimes, it is, but that doesn't make it any different than many other industries that you (and others) might consider legitimate. I've said it before: I've never worked at a single physical location in my life in any industry that hasn't willfully violated at least one code, law or much less has always adhered to, "Company policy."

    Also, you probably did not read my series of articles, "On Advantage Play and Tribalism," because if you had, you would already know that I have no such notion of righteousness.

    If anyone wishes to share any PM's from me vis-a-vis, "Trying to find suckers," as you accuse, they're more than welcome to do so provided they provide screenshots. There won't be any. My main reason for being on the forums is because I'm compensated to write articles. My main reason for being on this forum is that there are a few people who are banned on WoV that I enjoy talking to. Before writing the articles, my main reason was just an interest in gambling.

    I don't know why you would assume that only the big time advantage plays would be true. Are you suggesting that if I say there's a machine that can be played at an advantage under conditions X, Y or Z, but you're not going to get a ton of plays, that I would be lying? Why would I lie about that? Honestly, the plays that you'd never hear a peep from me about would be the extremely valuable ones, much less would I be inclined to prove anything.

    Of course, I'd never be challenged to prove anything...because I wouldn't be saying anything about them (at least, wouldn't be the first to say something) to begin with.
    Last edited by Mission146; 09-07-2020 at 08:44 AM.

  19. #39
    Are you referring to myself or are you referring to Axelwolf?

  20. #40
    I find AP's who know each other have knowledge of a similar play will look out for each other in general. Next time that AP may have your back even if it's discussion of the best way to hit a play or willingness to share machines rather than fight over them.

    As for not pocketing the money most AP's will return the slot voucher. I certainly would.

    Having someone complain and it gets traced back to you may not only cause you to wind up in court but also 86'd from the property or multiple properties.

    Which if you are an AP not getting trespassed is more important than that rare large voucher left behind

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