Bump. It's been very interesting revisiting this old thread. Ex-AP was always trying to shame me for my gambling knowledge. Here he is striking again.

He was always talking about stochastics, heuristics, geometric distributions, shit like that, that has no bearing in determining if a play is positive or negative.

So I put up a payscale to a keno game and asked him if the game was positive or negative. It's an easy equation to figure for someone that's knowledgeable in gambling math. Takes just a few minutes.

I had put up math problems for certain games before and asked if it was positive or negative. I would devise a game that was positive by 3% or 4%.

I would get answers back like "that's obviously positive" or "looks positive to me" or "If it wasn't positive you wouldn't have put it up." But none of them ever did the math. They were just guessing. And they guessed right. That taught me a lesson.

So when I challenged Ex-AP I intentionally made the payscale slightly negative in case he tried the "looks positive to me" without putting up any math. I would have him trapped if he did that.

So I put the negative payscale up and it worked like a charm. Except it wasn't Ex-AP that bit. Ex-Ap had headed for the hills. I scared him so bad he never made another post in the thread. It was....MAXPEN that took the bait.

In post #8 maxie wrote:

"Instinctually this looks really good. You're playing about a 1/3 loser 2/3 of the time but the other 1/3 of the time you're getting about 130% at no additional cost."

Of course, maxie was wrong about the play being good. It was a 98% game. His critical mistake was he guessed the play was positive or I wouldn't have put it up. He followed with "I'm looking forward to the math lesson" that I had promised to put up.

That is very revealing. Maxie, the self professsed "most advanced AP" on VCT couldn't do the math to a simple keno game.

I kept my mouth shut in the thread about maxie's mistake because it wasn't him I was after. And since we were on good terms I didn't want to make him look bad.

After I put up the math to the play, in post #15, maxie wrote:

"But thanks for the math lesson Mickey. You actually laid out the solution in an elementary manner making it easy to understand. Seems like when you try to read some of these explanations about calculating combinations the writers always want to complicate it."

So here is maxie praising me for my work. Thats how it used to be.But that all changed when a few months later I gave my opinion that Rob Singer likely put down the double up play.

Maxie became outraged at my opinion and started delivering viscious and insulting ad hominem attacks on me.

Just a damn opinion and maxie went berserk over it.