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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    It kind of depends on what you consider an employee. Is he counting people who he recruits to get cards as employees? Is he counting people recruit people to get cards for him as an employee? Is he counting people who do pickups for him as an employee?
    He better have solid people doing pickups for him or I can guarantee you there's going to be a leakage and major problems. If they're solid enough people, more likely than not they're either going to branch out on their own(like he did) or eventually move on to something else, unless they are getting a pretty big chunk or become somewhat of a partner. I have Hired people and the solid ones either want to become a partner get paid a significant amount, if not, eventually they move on to something else. There's going to be problems with some of the people who get you cards as well, some of those problems can get very serious real quick.

    I’ve been busy and haven’t posted much but did see this tonight. Not taking sides but there isn’t many options when talking about legal “employees”.

    Either they work for you, get a weekly paycheck based on an agreed upon wage and hours worked. Then you as the employer match their social security wages you withhold, and deduct their federal tax, state tax (if in a state that has one like NY & NJ) and local tax. You then pay the withholdings to the government weekly, monthly or quarterly based on the amount.

    The other option is employees you consider independent contractors. The legal ruling are narrow on these but many try to use it to avoid matching SS taxes on their employees. In this case you provide the individual with a 1099 at the end of the year that states their total earnings. You then file a copy with the IRS so that the employee or sub contractor cannot forget to report these earnings.

    These are the legal options for calling anyone an employee. Unless of course you are paying individuals cash in what many call “under the table”. But I don’t think many doing this would be dumb enough to admit it and call anyone they are paying cash employees.

    Matching 7.65% of someone wages toward their future retirement and collecting their other taxes owed isn’t hard and is the right thing to do in my opinion. But everyone has their justification.
    Contractors seems far more appropriate since the payment depends on what they win and such.
    .
    Payment is set in advance. I get the full amount of money won and they get paid for the work performed.

    If I make zero profit I still pay my workers for the work performed

    "Leakage" (employee skimming) doesn't happen. I would go into how I make certain of that but I probably would give away a few too many secrets to my fellow AP'S

  2. #22
    [QUOTE=The Boz;113679]

    but there isn’t many options when talking about legal “employees”.


    Originally Posted by The BUllshit Artist View Post

    Payment is set in advance. I get the full amount of money won and they get paid for the work performed.

    If I make zero profit I still pay my workers for the work performed

    "Leakage" (employee skimming) doesn't happen. I would go into how I make certain of that but I probably would give away a few too many secrets to my fellow AP'S
    Legal employees, paying federal / SS taxes to be certain the employee has something to fall back on. What the fuck is going on here? How about medical benefits, paid vacations, donations to 401K's, paid pregnant leave, employer supplied vehicles for conveniences? Just to name a few real life needs.

    Dark idiot don't want to give away secrets how he prevents Leakage (employee skimming) There's only one way to deal with drug/alcohol/gambling losers. Is Joe Pesci still for hire?

    You fucking idiots are the most entertaining assholes on the internet. This is why it always is a treat to stop in here and see what's being said.

    You can't make this shit up.
    Last edited by blackhole; 10-07-2020 at 03:56 AM. Reason: Fix spelling before CUNT saw it

  3. #23
    [QUOTE=blackhole;113696]
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    but there isn’t many options when talking about legal “employees”.


    Originally Posted by The BUllshit Artist View Post

    Payment is set in advance. I get the full amount of money won and they get paid for the work performed.

    If I make zero profit I still pay my workers for the work performed

    "Leakage" (employee skimming) doesn't happen. I would go into how I make certain of that but I probably would give away a few too many secrets to my fellow AP'S
    Legal employees, paying federal / SS taxes to be certain the employee has something to fall back on. What the fuck is going on here? How about medical benefits, paid vacations, donations to 401K's, paid pregnant leave, employer supplied vehicles for conveniences? Just to name a few real life needs.

    Dark idiot don't want to give away secrets how he prevents Leakage (employee skimming) There's only one way to deal with drug/alcohol/gambling losers. Is Joe Pesci still for hire?

    You fucking idiots are the most entertaining assholes on the internet. This is why it always is a treat to stop in here and see what's being said.

    You can't make this shit up.
    The only thing you can't make up is how dumb you are to be unable to figure out Advantage Play techniques.

    But there are some folks on here who could probably figure out my strategic locations (some have come close enough) that I don't want to harbor competition.

    Quite possibly they already have people working my markets but best not to feed them valuable specifics.

    Make no bones about it I am probably the most open AP on the planet. But AP's want me to shut up so the casinos don't learn common secrets. If I spilled secrets an AP could profit from they would be all over it (while simultaneously condemning it)

    But, ummm, to be clear, no, I don't use mafia style tactics to keep my leakage in line (in fact if you actually watched all the mafia films you would know it doesn't work, there is always the scene where leakage is discovered and someone gets plugged with lead. That's not PREVENTING leakage, that's just dealing with it so you even fail to get it right on that idea)

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post

    The only thing you can't make up is how dumb you are to be unable to figure out Advantage Play techniques.

    But there are some folks on here who could probably figure out my strategic locations (some have come close enough) that I don't want to harbor competition.

    Quite possibly they already have people working my markets but best not to feed them valuable specifics.

    Make no bones about it I am probably the most open AP on the planet. But AP's want me to shut up so the casinos don't learn common secrets. If I spilled secrets an AP could profit from they would be all over it (while simultaneously condemning it)

    But, ummm, to be clear, no, I don't use mafia style tactics to keep my leakage in line (in fact if you actually watched all the mafia films you would know it doesn't work, there is always the scene where leakage is discovered and someone gets plugged with lead. That's not PREVENTING leakage, that's just dealing with it so you even fail to get it right on that idea)
    First of all, 99% of most people don’t care or need to pursue any type of AP advantage. I for one being part of that 99%. When I stumbled into a couple of these brain-dead gambling forums, I found the entertainment level with the likes of Rob Singer, a drunken (at the time) Mickey, etc. very much entertaining. Throw in the level of dumbness always being demonstrated (Tasha etc.) along with Axelass and Darky’s alleged bullshit the entertainment level sky-rockets. This place is always worth a visit for the unexpected next joke.

    You talk about running the risks of being the most open AP on forums and worried that others will capitalize on your territory or be able to figure out what it is you do. You also show concerns the casinos might catch onto some of your tricky dickey techniques.

    Why don’t you do yourself a favor and just shut the fuck up? I’m pretty certain most here couldn’t care less one way or the other about your alleged nonsense. You just want to convince others that you are the gambling genie in the bottle like Axelass. The only people biting are the rest of the degenerate gamblers or other endless members with other personal problems unable to mix in with any society.

    One other thing you and other AP’s keep forgetting when you say I’m too dumb to figure out AP techniques, I just don’t simply give a fuck. Not even a jerk-off. I could cut a check or open one of my safes for any Jackpot I want to hit at will. I would do a swan dive on a machete facing up before being forced to hang out endlessly in casinos for a living. I very rarely spent more than 2.5 days at a time in casinos, and always carried a large bottle of aspirin when I did go. The rare times I spent a week in one would be for something like the WSOP or other outside activity planned like taking a chopper to the rapids for a 2-day White Water ride through the Grand Canyon, then fly back to the noise of machines and the crowd. After being away for two days it becomes easier to deal with when we return.

    Believe me Darky, your making a fool of yourself.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post

    The only thing you can't make up is how dumb you are to be unable to figure out Advantage Play techniques.

    But there are some folks on here who could probably figure out my strategic locations (some have come close enough) that I don't want to harbor competition.

    Quite possibly they already have people working my markets but best not to feed them valuable specifics.

    Make no bones about it I am probably the most open AP on the planet. But AP's want me to shut up so the casinos don't learn common secrets. If I spilled secrets an AP could profit from they would be all over it (while simultaneously condemning it)

    But, ummm, to be clear, no, I don't use mafia style tactics to keep my leakage in line (in fact if you actually watched all the mafia films you would know it doesn't work, there is always the scene where leakage is discovered and someone gets plugged with lead. That's not PREVENTING leakage, that's just dealing with it so you even fail to get it right on that idea)
    First of all, 99% of most people don’t care or need to pursue any type of AP advantage. I for one being part of that 99%. When I stumbled into a couple of these brain-dead gambling forums, I found the entertainment level with the likes of Rob Singer, a drunken (at the time) Mickey, etc. very much entertaining. Throw in the level of dumbness always being demonstrated (Tasha etc.) along with Axelass and Darky’s alleged bullshit the entertainment level sky-rockets. This place is always worth a visit for the unexpected next joke.

    You talk about running the risks of being the most open AP on forums and worried that others will capitalize on your territory or be able to figure out what it is you do. You also show concerns the casinos might catch onto some of your tricky dickey techniques.

    Why don’t you do yourself a favor and just shut the fuck up? I’m pretty certain most here couldn’t care less one way or the other about your alleged nonsense. You just want to convince others that you are the gambling genie in the bottle like Axelass. The only people biting are the rest of the degenerate gamblers or other endless members with other personal problems unable to mix in with any society.

    One other thing you and other AP’s keep forgetting when you say I’m too dumb to figure out AP techniques, I just don’t simply give a fuck. Not even a jerk-off. I could cut a check or open one of my safes for any Jackpot I want to hit at will. I would do a swan dive on a machete facing up before being forced to hang out endlessly in casinos for a living. I very rarely spent more than 2.5 days at a time in casinos, and always carried a large bottle of aspirin when I did go. The rare times I spent a week in one would be for something like the WSOP or other outside activity planned like taking a chopper to the rapids for a 2-day White Water ride through the Grand Canyon, then fly back to the noise of machines and the crowd. After being away for two days it becomes easier to deal with when we return.

    Believe me Darky, your making a fool of yourself.
    Only a fool would suggest 99% of gamblers aren't interested in Advantage play.

    Truth is 99% believe they are creating an advantage every time they play. Problem is they are superstitious fucks.

    Next time you see a gambler at the slots rubbing the screen every spin ask them why

    Guaranteed their answer won't be "I like static electricity buildup"

    Their answer is "I win more often this way".

    They perceive an advantage! Guaranteed if you actually showed them a legit mathematically sound means to win they would use those methods

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    One other thing you and other AP’s keep forgetting when you say I’m too dumb to figure out AP techniques, I just don’t simply give a fuck. Not even a jerk-off. I could cut a check or open one of my safes for any Jackpot I want to hit at will. I would do a swan dive on a machete facing up before being forced to hang out endlessly in casinos for a living. I very rarely spent more than 2.5 days at a time in casinos, and always carried a large bottle of aspirin when I did go. The rare times I spent a week in one would be for something like the WSOP or other outside activity planned like taking a chopper to the rapids for a 2-day White Water ride through the Grand Canyon, then fly back to the noise of machines and the crowd. After being away for two days it becomes easier to deal with when we return.

    Believe me Darky, your making a fool of yourself.
    This guy is a huge clown. Anyone who tries so hard to prove they don't care is pathetic.

    Guy doesn't care about any of this, just can't stop reading and trying to insult people to make himself feel better at his own failings whatever they are.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  7. #27
    Whatever you say CUNT

  8. #28
    I’m pretty sure 100% of darky and black assholes 99% statistics are made up.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post

    Only a fool would suggest 99% of gamblers aren't interested in Advantage play.

    Truth is 99% believe they are creating an advantage every time they play. Problem is they are superstitious fucks.

    Next time you see a gambler at the slots rubbing the screen every spin ask them why

    Guaranteed their answer won't be "I like static electricity buildup"

    Their answer is "I win more often this way".

    They perceive an advantage! Guaranteed if you actually showed them a legit mathematically sound means to win they would use those methods
    Here you go again with the tricky dicky twist of words to fit your narrative. I never said 99% of gamblers. I said 99% of most people. 100% of gamblers are problem gamblers interested in your nonsense.

    “QUOTE”
    US Gambling Statistics
    The study found that lifetime prevalence rates among adults in the general population for both nations together were estimated at 1.60 percent for Level 3 gamblers and 5.45 percent for Levels 2 and 3 combined.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post

    Only a fool would suggest 99% of gamblers aren't interested in Advantage play.

    Truth is 99% believe they are creating an advantage every time they play. Problem is they are superstitious fucks.

    Next time you see a gambler at the slots rubbing the screen every spin ask them why

    Guaranteed their answer won't be "I like static electricity buildup"

    Their answer is "I win more often this way".

    They perceive an advantage! Guaranteed if you actually showed them a legit mathematically sound means to win they would use those methods
    Here you go again with the tricky dicky twist of words to fit your narrative. I never said 99% of gamblers. I said 99% of most people. 100% of gamblers are problem gamblers interested in your nonsense.

    “QUOTE”
    US Gambling Statistics
    The study found that lifetime prevalence rates among adults in the general population for both nations together were estimated at 1.60 percent for Level 3 gamblers and 5.45 percent for Levels 2 and 3 combined.
    I'm confident you would still be wrong!

    From personal anecdotal experience when I tell non-gambling aquaintances just a tidbit of what I do, they are almost always interested in how, where ,why, etc.

    I'm fact they ask more questions than the "degenerate gamblers. The degenerate gamblers know they would never give up such a lucrative secret to winning or intrinsically understand it's difficult to accomplish.

    The average non-gambling person will press and press, seeing instant dollar signs in front of their eyes (that's a linguistic image Mr. Tricky dicky I don't actually take out dollar bills and wave it in front of their face)

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post

    I'm confident you would still be wrong!

    From personal anecdotal experience when I tell non-gambling aquaintances just a tidbit of what I do, they are almost always interested in how, where ,why, etc.

    I'm fact they ask more questions than the "degenerate gamblers. The degenerate gamblers know they would never give up such a lucrative secret to winning or intrinsically understand it's difficult to accomplish.

    The average non-gambling person will press and press, seeing instant dollar signs in front of their eyes (that's a linguistic image Mr. Tricky dicky I don't actually take out dollar bills and wave it in front of their face)
    Why don’t you just face the facts. The non-gambling acquaintances you talk about might be interested in your nonsense just to satisfy their curiosity. None of them are going to quit their present secure income and future in exchange for a gamble. Many more alleged AP’s end up broke then wealthy like you and Axelass. No doubt young burger flippers and other unemployed losers like drug and alcohol abusers would try anything. Where would you be without being able to recruit and take advantage of the rift raft / employees? Hell, even you were a broken-down shoe living on the streets sleeping on subways at one time.

    Now look at you and others like Axelass the kings of anonymous alleged AP’s endlessly attempting to convince other anonymous people on empty headed anonymous gambling forums of your alleged success and wealth.

    Something stinks in Denmark.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post

    I'm confident you would still be wrong!

    From personal anecdotal experience when I tell non-gambling aquaintances just a tidbit of what I do, they are almost always interested in how, where ,why, etc.

    I'm fact they ask more questions than the "degenerate gamblers. The degenerate gamblers know they would never give up such a lucrative secret to winning or intrinsically understand it's difficult to accomplish.

    The average non-gambling person will press and press, seeing instant dollar signs in front of their eyes (that's a linguistic image Mr. Tricky dicky I don't actually take out dollar bills and wave it in front of their face)
    Why don’t you just face the facts. The non-gambling acquaintances you talk about might be interested in your nonsense just to satisfy their curiosity. None of them are going to quit their present secure income and future in exchange for a gamble. Many more alleged AP’s end up broke then wealthy like you and Axelass. No doubt young burger flippers and other unemployed losers like drug and alcohol abusers would try anything. Where would you be without being able to recruit and take advantage of the rift raft / employees? Hell, even you were a broken-down shoe living on the streets sleeping on subways at one time.

    Now look at you and others like Axelass the kings of anonymous alleged AP’s endlessly attempting to convince other anonymous people on empty headed anonymous gambling forums of your alleged success and wealth.

    Something stinks in Denmark.
    Every multi-million dollars lottery ticket is sold on the hope that people can give up their day job on a gamble.

    You just sound more an more retarded.

    As for Denmark it's probably your bad Stinking breath you smell.

    Poor Shakespeare is turning in his grave at the thought so many dumbasses use his lines thinking they are smart

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post

    Every multi-million dollars lottery ticket is sold on the hope that people can give up their day job on a gamble.

    You just sound more an more retarded.

    As for Denmark it's probably your bad Stinking breath you smell.

    Poor Shakespeare is turning in his grave at the thought so many dumbasses use his lines thinking they are smart
    You know Darky is deep-sea fishing trying to compare buying a $1.00 lottery ticket that could be worth millions and life changing to AP’ing around the clock in shithole casinos hoping you could feed your family before going broke and being forced to apply for assistance.

    For the record and with your known past, there is no doubt in my mind everything you do is off the books, manipulating the IRS with jackpots (paying others to claim them) and milking the system for everything you could. Food stamps, free medical, free prescriptions, etc. Why don’t you or other AP’s ever discuss these important life necessities? Maybe you pay cash for all these things with all the money you have. After all what’s 20K or a 40K hospital stay to a man with your means? You probably never changed your status in your state since your hobo days for the freebies. You leeches are all over the place.

    That line from Shakespeare’s Hamlet play “something is rotten in the state of Denmark” developed lots of other meanings along the way with a few that fit you perfectly.

    Usage
    This phrase has a wide range of usage. It is found abundantly in literature, politics, courts, media and everyday life specifically when referring to dirty politics. It perfectly fits for a corrupt leader, ruler or political party in a country. It can also be used for a boss for his misruling and corrupt administration. It can be applicable to any type of corruption happening whether in politics, at home, businesses, or even in love, meaning something wrong going around.
    Last edited by blackhole; 10-08-2020 at 11:38 AM. Reason: Spelling before CUNT gets here.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post

    Every multi-million dollars lottery ticket is sold on the hope that people can give up their day job on a gamble.

    You just sound more an more retarded.

    As for Denmark it's probably your bad Stinking breath you smell.

    Poor Shakespeare is turning in his grave at the thought so many dumbasses use his lines thinking they are smart
    You know Darky is deep-sea fishing trying to compare buying a $1.00 lottery ticket that could be worth millions and life changing to AP’ing around the clock in shithole casinos hoping you could feed your family before going broke and being forced to apply for assistance.

    For the record and with your known past, there is no doubt in my mind everything you do is off the books, manipulating the IRS with jackpots (paying others to claim them) and milking the system for everything you could. Food stamps, free medical, free prescriptions, etc. Why don’t you or other AP’s ever discuss these important life necessities? Maybe you pay cash for all these things with all the money you have. After all what’s 20K or a 40K hospital stay to a man with your means? You probably never changed your status in your state since your hobo days for the freebies. You leeches are all over the place.

    That line from Shakespeare’s Hamlet play “something is rotten in the state of Denmark” developed lots of other meanings along the way with a few that fit you perfectly.

    Usage
    This phrase has a wide range of usage. It is found abundantly in literature, politics, courts, media and everyday life specifically when referring to dirty politics. It perfectly fits for a corrupt leader, ruler or political party in a country. It can also be used for a boss for his misruling and corrupt administration. It can be applicable to any type of corruption happening whether in politics, at home, businesses, or even in love, meaning something wrong going around.
    About the first thing you got right.

    I pay cash for all my medical bills.

    As for everything else, I don't receive any government assistance and I have close to a quarter million in JACKPOTS I claimed this year.

    I brag about not committing any crimes INSIDE the casinos. What point would it be to just commit crimes OUTSIDE the casinos instead.

    I'm actually pretty law abiding if not for the sole reason I am too paranoid about getting caught and doing time
    Last edited by Darkoz; 10-08-2020 at 12:39 PM.

  15. #35
    You are one hell of a entertaining anonymous person.

    Aren’t you the person that refuses to get or use credit cards allegedly after getting screwed over 4K once from a desperate multi billion-dollar bank that always usually try to keep customers happy? Or could it be the actual facts are you just made up a cover story because you can’t have any records of spending and paying money off to maintain state assistance?

    Quarter of a million dollars in jackpots already this year. I could only imagine what that number might have been if the casinos weren’t closed for 4 to 6 months and still 3 months left on the calendar to go this year. Thank you for supporting some of my Social Security payments with your jackpots. Your bullshit has now gone over the top of my boots and filled the inside of them with stinky shit.

    I’m certain I got my opinion of you across with our recent communications here. You could come back with what I consider all the bullshit you want, I’m not buying any of it.

    I certainly spent to much time going back and forth with one of the biggest air-heads on these sites. You might be fooling some other air-heads, but I’m certain most are having a good laugh at your expense.

    Take a FUCKING WALK………

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    You are one hell of a entertaining anonymous person.

    Aren’t you the person that refuses to get or use credit cards allegedly after getting screwed over 4K once from a desperate multi billion-dollar bank that always usually try to keep customers happy? Or could it be the actual facts are you just made up a cover story because you can’t have any records of spending and paying money off to maintain state assistance?

    Quarter of a million dollars in jackpots already this year. I could only imagine what that number might have been if the casinos weren’t closed for 4 to 6 months and still 3 months left on the calendar to go this year. Thank you for supporting some of my Social Security payments with your jackpots. Your bullshit has now gone over the top of my boots and filled the inside of them with stinky shit.

    I’m certain I got my opinion of you across with our recent communications here. You could come back with what I consider all the bullshit you want, I’m not buying any of it.

    I certainly spent to much time going back and forth with one of the biggest air-heads on these sites. You might be fooling some other air-heads, but I’m certain most are having a good laugh at your expense.

    Take a FUCKING WALK………
    I don't have any state assistance.

    You can believe what you want but unless you have proof your accusations are baseless.

    And when I said I claimed a quarter million ($249,000) in JACKPOTS this year I meant claimed this year at tax time for last year's earnings

    But of course you like to parse minutiae to twist things to your point.

    Of course next you will say my bragging about a quarter million in profits from jackpots is a lie even though I never said that. I said I claimed the JACKPOTS. Obviously I didn't walk and spin one time for each W2G jackpot. My profit claimed was just over $76,000.

    I won pretty much all the W2G's on must hits.

    You are too dumb to even understand that form of AP so I suggest you try going back to school

    You are too dumb to realize I use a pre-paid card for purchasing so clearly not hiding anything.

    Or that I wired tens of thousands to a brokerage for purchasing stock so again I am not in hiding from state assistance claims because I don't receive any
    Last edited by Darkoz; 10-08-2020 at 03:13 PM.

  17. #37
    Trump denouncing KKK, white nationalists and neo-nazi's in April 2017.

    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #38
    On Face the Nation in 2016 Trump denounced David Duke and the KKK. Then he explained that the mainstream news media never picks it up when he makes those statements. That's why dumbfucks like you, MWP, mistakenly think Trump is a racist. You are to stupid to figure it out. Here's the interview.

    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  19. #39
    Here's another video of Trump denouncing "racism, bigotry and white supremacy" in 2019.

    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #40
    In 2016 Trump complained about the police at an Oklahoma City rally not removing a person quickly enough that had on a a T-shirt that said "KKK supports Trump." I personally don't think the dude was a KKK member. I think he was a far left loon pulling a hoax to make Trump look like a racist.

    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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