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  1. #1
    I have no fucking idea what Caesars Palace is doing let alone Caesars properties because I'm now down 9500 or so just at that property alone in Vegas. I'm down about 7k all time at Caesars properties as well with about 430 hours or so. Something isn't right. Gaming is fucking useless. Gaming doesn't give a rats ass about enforcement of these rigged ass places. All gaming is, is an illusion of enforcement to keep the public shut up. They don't inspect the cards. They allow casinos leverage with regulations when it comes to exposed cards that are the dealers fault to begin with and allow them to preferential shuffle. Like wtf is gaming doing? It's not even a regulation if you give the option to the casino to 'sometimes' shuffle and sometimes not? Which is it? Is there even a law and if not, why not? That type of shit is so prevalent here. Theyll even come out and literally extract your I'd from you or threaten to cite you for gambling as a minor where no law says I have to give them shit. Gaming is literally a fucking puppet for these casinos. Casinos will NEVER lose their license unless they literally murder a patron live on camera. With that said what does a fucking casino have to lose by cheating the fuck out of the patron with an illegitimate game? I always hear a casino 'Has too much to lose'. Oh really? Media outcry? Oh yea the media alright. They'll bribe and pay off the media before the story gets out or get the story to be re worded to make it look like an honest mistake. You guys have no fucking clue what's going down. ZERO.

    Go ahead tell me your all time win/loss at Caesars Palace LV or Caesars properties alone straight counting. Not holding my breath cause I doubt any of you frauds have any decent time put in. I'm fucking done. I'm retiring because if one place cheats that makes me not want to play ever again. But I will say this. If Caesars thinks they can get away with this, they finally ran into the wrong person. The show is over. No one ever cheats me and gets away with it.
    Last edited by ZenKinG; 10-07-2020 at 12:16 PM.

  2. #2
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    I have no fucking idea what Caesars Palace is doing let alone Caesars properties because I'm now down 9500 or so just at that property alone in Vegas. I'm down about 7k all time at Caesars properties as well with about 430 hours or so. Something isn't right. Gaming is fucking useless. Gaming doesn't give a rats ass about enforcement of these rigged ass places. All gaming is an illusion of enforcement to keep the public shit up. They don't inspect the cards. They allow casinos leverage on regulations when it comes to exposed cards that are dealers fault and allow them to preferential shuffle. Theyll come out and literally extract your I'd from you or threaten to cite you for gambling as a minor where no law says I have to give them shit. Gaming is literally a fucking puppet for these casinos. Casinos will NEVER lose their license unless they literally murder a patron live on camera. With that said what does a fucking casino have to lose by cheating the fuck out of the patron with an illegitimate game? I always hear a casino 'Has too much to lose'. Oh really? Media outcry? Oh yea the media alright. They'll bribe and pay off the media before the story gets out or get the story to be re worded to make it look like an honest mistake. You guys have no fucking clue what's going down. ZERO.

    Go ahead tell me your all time win/loss at Caesars Palace LV or Caesars properties alone straight counting. Not holding my breath cause I doubt any of you frauds have any decent time put in. I'm fucking done. I'm retiring because if one place cheats that makes me not want to play ever again. But I will say this. If Caesars thinks they can get away with this, they finally ran into the wrong person. The show is over. No one ever cheats me and gets away with it.
    Let me get this straight.
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    Time for you to grow up or just join the BLM Movement.

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    Last edited by monet; 10-07-2020 at 12:15 PM.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    I have no fucking idea what Caesars Palace is doing let alone Caesars properties because I'm now down 9500 or so just at that property alone in Vegas. I'm down about 7k all time at Caesars properties as well with about 430 hours or so. Something isn't right. Gaming is fucking useless. Gaming doesn't give a rats ass about enforcement of these rigged ass places. All gaming is, is an illusion of enforcement to keep the public shut up. They don't inspect the cards. They allow casinos leverage with regulations when it comes to exposed cards that are the dealers fault to begin with and allow them to preferential shuffle. Like wtf is gaming doing? It's not even a regulation if you give the option to the casino to 'sometimes' shuffle and sometimes not? Which is it? Is there even a law and if not, why not? That type of shit is so prevalent here. Theyll even come out and literally extract your I'd from you or threaten to cite you for gambling as a minor where no law says I have to give them shit. Gaming is literally a fucking puppet for these casinos. Casinos will NEVER lose their license unless they literally murder a patron live on camera. With that said what does a fucking casino have to lose by cheating the fuck out of the patron with an illegitimate game? I always hear a casino 'Has too much to lose'. Oh really? Media outcry? Oh yea the media alright. They'll bribe and pay off the media before the story gets out or get the story to be re worded to make it look like an honest mistake. You guys have no fucking clue what's going down. ZERO.

    Go ahead tell me your all time win/loss at Caesars Palace LV or Caesars properties alone straight counting. Not holding my breath cause I doubt any of you frauds have any decent time put in. I'm fucking done. I'm retiring because if one place cheats that makes me not want to play ever again. But I will say this. If Caesars thinks they can get away with this, they finally ran into the wrong person. The show is over. No one ever cheats me and gets away with it.
    ZenKinG, you never heard me say that casinos have "too much to lose" by cheating. That's a really dumb ass cliche myth. I think it's important to understand that it's not something called "a casino" that does the cheating. People do the cheating. So it's an upper management decision or lower management decision. But somebody with motive, means, and opportunity makes the call.

    And really, casinos are about as beholden to the NGC as Batman is to Robin.

    If you decide to retire, congrats on a good run and more power to you. Don't let the "it's not a fair game" stuff drive you nuts. Look, I guarantee you that not all games in LV are on the up and up. But any 12-year-old could tell you that.

    Call it a day, and hold your head high.

    P.S. College football games have been orchestrated. College basketball games have been orchestrated. MLB games have had cheating. NBA refs have cheated. If you want to argue that no NFL games have had cheating, well, good luck with that. There are no virgins in the brothel. Welcome to the jungle. We've got fun 'n' games.
    Last edited by redietz; 10-07-2020 at 01:01 PM.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    I have no fucking idea what Caesars Palace is doing let alone Caesars properties because I'm now down 9500 or so just at that property alone in Vegas. I'm down about 7k all time at Caesars properties as well with about 430 hours or so. Something isn't right. Gaming is fucking useless. Gaming doesn't give a rats ass about enforcement of these rigged ass places. All gaming is, is an illusion of enforcement to keep the public shut up. They don't inspect the cards. They allow casinos leverage with regulations when it comes to exposed cards that are the dealers fault to begin with and allow them to preferential shuffle. Like wtf is gaming doing? It's not even a regulation if you give the option to the casino to 'sometimes' shuffle and sometimes not? Which is it? Is there even a law and if not, why not? That type of shit is so prevalent here. Theyll even come out and literally extract your I'd from you or threaten to cite you for gambling as a minor where no law says I have to give them shit. Gaming is literally a fucking puppet for these casinos. Casinos will NEVER lose their license unless they literally murder a patron live on camera. With that said what does a fucking casino have to lose by cheating the fuck out of the patron with an illegitimate game? I always hear a casino 'Has too much to lose'. Oh really? Media outcry? Oh yea the media alright. They'll bribe and pay off the media before the story gets out or get the story to be re worded to make it look like an honest mistake. You guys have no fucking clue what's going down. ZERO.

    Go ahead tell me your all time win/loss at Caesars Palace LV or Caesars properties alone straight counting. Not holding my breath cause I doubt any of you frauds have any decent time put in. I'm fucking done. I'm retiring because if one place cheats that makes me not want to play ever again. But I will say this. If Caesars thinks they can get away with this, they finally ran into the wrong person. The show is over. No one ever cheats me and gets away with it.
    ZenKinG, you never heard me say that casinos have "too much to lose" by cheating. That's a really dumb ass cliche myth. I think it's important to understand that it's not something called "a casino" that does the cheating. People do the cheating. So it's an upper management decision or lower management decision. But somebody with motive, means, and opportunity makes the call.

    And really, casinos are about as beholden to the NGC as Batman is to Robin.

    If you decide to retire, congrats on a good run and more power to you. Don't let the "it's not a fair game" stuff drive you nuts. Look, I guarantee you that not all games in LV are on the up and up. But any 12-year-old could tell you that.

    Call it a day, and hold your head high.

    P.S. College football games have been orchestrated. College basketball games have been orchestrated. MLB games have had cheating. NBA refs have cheated. If you want to argue that no NFL games have had cheating, well, good luck with that. There are no virgins in the brothel. Welcome to the jungle.
    Holy Jesus you really are an ass clown aren’t you?

  5. #5
    Someone not getting enough attention on discord?

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    I have no fucking idea what Caesars Palace is doing let alone Caesars properties because I'm now down 9500 or so just at that property alone in Vegas. I'm down about 7k all time at Caesars properties as well with about 430 hours or so. Something isn't right. Gaming is fucking useless. Gaming doesn't give a rats ass about enforcement of these rigged ass places. All gaming is, is an illusion of enforcement to keep the public shut up. They don't inspect the cards. They allow casinos leverage with regulations when it comes to exposed cards that are the dealers fault to begin with and allow them to preferential shuffle. Like wtf is gaming doing? It's not even a regulation if you give the option to the casino to 'sometimes' shuffle and sometimes not? Which is it? Is there even a law and if not, why not? That type of shit is so prevalent here. Theyll even come out and literally extract your I'd from you or threaten to cite you for gambling as a minor where no law says I have to give them shit. Gaming is literally a fucking puppet for these casinos. Casinos will NEVER lose their license unless they literally murder a patron live on camera. With that said what does a fucking casino have to lose by cheating the fuck out of the patron with an illegitimate game? I always hear a casino 'Has too much to lose'. Oh really? Media outcry? Oh yea the media alright. They'll bribe and pay off the media before the story gets out or get the story to be re worded to make it look like an honest mistake. You guys have no fucking clue what's going down. ZERO.

    Go ahead tell me your all time win/loss at Caesars Palace LV or Caesars properties alone straight counting. Not holding my breath cause I doubt any of you frauds have any decent time put in. I'm fucking done. I'm retiring because if one place cheats that makes me not want to play ever again. But I will say this. If Caesars thinks they can get away with this, they finally ran into the wrong person. The show is over. No one ever cheats me and gets away with it.
    ZenKinG, you never heard me say that casinos have "too much to lose" by cheating. That's a really dumb ass cliche myth. I think it's important to understand that it's not something called "a casino" that does the cheating. People do the cheating. So it's an upper management decision or lower management decision. But somebody with motive, means, and opportunity makes the call.

    And really, casinos are about as beholden to the NGC as Batman is to Robin.

    If you decide to retire, congrats on a good run and more power to you. Don't let the "it's not a fair game" stuff drive you nuts. Look, I guarantee you that not all games in LV are on the up and up. But any 12-year-old could tell you that.

    Call it a day, and hold your head high.

    P.S. College football games have been orchestrated. College basketball games have been orchestrated. MLB games have had cheating. NBA refs have cheated. If you want to argue that no NFL games have had cheating, well, good luck with that. There are no virgins in the brothel. Welcome to the jungle.
    Holy Jesus you really are an ass clown aren’t you?

    Well, I pride myself on being an ass clown. I train long and hard.

    Now, as to what I may have gotten wrong, please elucidate, my friend. I'm always open to learning something.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    I have no fucking idea what Caesars Palace is doing let alone Caesars properties because I'm now down 9500 or so just at that property alone in Vegas. I'm down about 7k all time at Caesars properties as well with about 430 hours or so. Something isn't right. Gaming is fucking useless. Gaming doesn't give a rats ass about enforcement of these rigged ass places. All gaming is, is an illusion of enforcement to keep the public shut up. They don't inspect the cards. They allow casinos leverage with regulations when it comes to exposed cards that are the dealers fault to begin with and allow them to preferential shuffle. Like wtf is gaming doing? It's not even a regulation if you give the option to the casino to 'sometimes' shuffle and sometimes not? Which is it? Is there even a law and if not, why not? That type of shit is so prevalent here. Theyll even come out and literally extract your I'd from you or threaten to cite you for gambling as a minor where no law says I have to give them shit. Gaming is literally a fucking puppet for these casinos. Casinos will NEVER lose their license unless they literally murder a patron live on camera. With that said what does a fucking casino have to lose by cheating the fuck out of the patron with an illegitimate game? I always hear a casino 'Has too much to lose'. Oh really? Media outcry? Oh yea the media alright. They'll bribe and pay off the media before the story gets out or get the story to be re worded to make it look like an honest mistake. You guys have no fucking clue what's going down. ZERO.

    Go ahead tell me your all time win/loss at Caesars Palace LV or Caesars properties alone straight counting. Not holding my breath cause I doubt any of you frauds have any decent time put in. I'm fucking done. I'm retiring because if one place cheats that makes me not want to play ever again. But I will say this. If Caesars thinks they can get away with this, they finally ran into the wrong person. The show is over. No one ever cheats me and gets away with it.
    ZenKinG, you never heard me say that casinos have "too much to lose" by cheating. That's a really dumb ass cliche myth. I think it's important to understand that it's not something called "a casino" that does the cheating. People do the cheating. So it's an upper management decision or lower management decision. But somebody with motive, means, and opportunity makes the call.

    And really, casinos are about as beholden to the NGC as Batman is to Robin.

    If you decide to retire, congrats on a good run and more power to you. Don't let the "it's not a fair game" stuff drive you nuts. Look, I guarantee you that not all games in LV are on the up and up. But any 12-year-old could tell you that.

    Call it a day, and hold your head high.

    P.S. College football games have been orchestrated. College basketball games have been orchestrated. MLB games have had cheating. NBA refs have cheated. If you want to argue that no NFL games have had cheating, well, good luck with that. There are no virgins in the brothel. Welcome to the jungle.
    Holy Jesus you really are an ass clown aren’t you?
    Look, here's the deal.

    Redietz is trying to point out something that might not be so obvious to the lesser intelligent people around here. The people who decide to cheat are not necessarily the owners of the casino but upper management. Guys that have bonuses and well paying jobs depending on the profitability of the casino. If the casino gets a horrible rep well they lose their job.

    It is even possible that it being known they had some cheating stuff going on could be something future employer's LOOK for after cheating management is somehow found out.

    This is similar to investing in funds. It isn't the name of the fund that you are investing in, it is the people running and managing it. They can change while maintaining the name and overnight the fund could be run by a completely different level of competency.

    So the "casinos have too much to lose" is just bad thinking that Redietz is trying to help people with.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  8. #8
    Red, I am completely sorry. I was speaking of zen king. People that post things like that make me lose all faith in humanity.

  9. #9
    lol...

    Evil Hearts and Corruption only adhere to mid and lower level entities.
    The higher you go up, according to recent posts in this thread, the more enlightened or moral individuals are.

    lol lol lol

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    lol...

    Evil Hearts and Corruption only adhere to mid and lower level entities.
    The higher you go up, according to recent posts in this thread, the more enlightened or moral individuals are.

    lol lol lol
    Exactly....the whole world would cease to operate without corruption.

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    Red, I am completely sorry.
    Why are you apologizing?

    The ditz admitted to being an ass clown, and proud of it.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    Go ahead tell me your all time win/loss at Caesars Palace LV or Caesars properties alone straight counting.
    I am not going to post my all time win/loss from Caesars LV, because Caesars is not in my regular rotation. I play occasionally on a busy or holiday weekend to take advantage of playing in the shadows of larger bettors. But my play sample size is not enough that it has any significant meaning, so I am not going to do it.

    One thing though. You say you are down $9500 at Caesars lifetime but only down $7000 total at all Caesars properties. That must mean you are winning some at some Caesars properties. I get that you are way below expectation, but if you are winning SOME, doesn't that throw cold water on your "they are cheating me" claims?

    Look, I am fine with your venting. I do some of it myself during extended down periods. This year I am currently straddling the in the red/in the black line, now in October of the year. Never thought I would see the possibility of a losing year. And whether I end up in the red or move into the black, I am 70k below expectation for the year at the moment. This kind of year is frustrating.....I get it. That is the game we play.

    So I myself have had some results in this very trying year, that I have become suspicious of, as anyone who reads Wizards forum may have read. My results at South Point are significantly in the red for the year. In my mind, suspiciously so. I don't know if they are cheating and despite others putting words in my mouth, I have never accused them of cheating. But I did want to rule that possibility out for myself, so I made special trips to observe the opening of tables, spreading of cards and procedures.

    Here was the procedure I found. Pit hands 2 new decks to the dealer, who spreads the cards for patrons to see all cards are there, checking front and back. Great!, just the way it should be. Then dealer hands the two decks back to the pit guy who cards held in hand, flips through the cards, doing HIS check. But he doesn't do that standing right there at the table. He walks around the pit doing so, sometimes with his back to the table and players. This means the cards are out of sight. I couldn't see what he was doing or if he might have removed cards. If I wanted to keep the cards in my sight, I would have had to do laps around the pit.

    Again, I am not accusing of anything, but that procedure of spreading the cards is there for a reason. So players can see that all cards are there. If the cards are taken out of sight AFTER spreading them, then there is no point in spreading them. Defeats the purpose of the procedure and just lends towards suspicion.

    Now again, I am not saying this location is cheating. But here is the thing. IF you, or I or any player has results that seem suspiciously bad and they can not rule out cheating by observing the casino procedures that are designed to rule out cheating, the player, myself included should stop playing that game! There are plenty of other fish in the sea, especially here in Las Vegas. Zenking, no offense, but you have NEVER accepted this. YOU are always out to prove something......I have no idea what. And you have the mentality, "how dare they do that to me" I will get even. Yikes! Just move on. If you want to publicly state your suspicions that is fine. Let that serve as a warning to other players and they can take a look for themselves. But this thing you do, where you are out to prove something makes no sense to me.

  13. #13
    C'mon....this is Caesars Palace. Everybody knows you can't count a 6 deck shoe there!

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    C'mon....this is Caesars Palace. Everybody knows you can't count a 6 deck shoe there!
    Not only can you count a 6 deck shoe at Caesars, but you can count multiple 6 deck shoes at multiple tables. That is what Everyone knows! Seriously, prime location for this particular technique (when conditions permit). Well at least it was prior to Covid19 conditions.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    C'mon....this is Caesars Palace. Everybody knows you can't count a 6 deck shoe there!
    2:58


  16. #16
    Monet got the joke.

  17. #17
    Hahaha south point? That was one of the places I suspected of since I been in this rigged ass town. My instincts are always on point. KJ, you fail to understand why I say what I say and out to 'prove a point' as you say. It's not so much proving a point, but more so I need to know if I'm actually getting cheated because if I ever find out ONE place has cheated me, I don't want to play EVER again. Because if one place can do it what's even the fucking point of ever playing this again.

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    It's not so much proving a point, but more so I need to know if I'm actually getting cheated because if I ever find out ONE place has cheated me, I don't want to play EVER again. Because if one place can do it what's even the fucking point of ever playing this again.
    Your right. I don't understand this thinking. "If one place has cheated you, you don't ever want to play again"?

    There are people that cheat in every aspect of life. Certainly people have cheated in the stock market with insider trading and stuff. Does that mean people can't make money in the stock market? I don't as that is beyond my capability, but certainly many people can and do.

    Do you question whether a sporting event has ever been fixed? Not widespread, but it is a certainty that it has happened. (probably college more than pros). Does that mean that top handicappers can't make money betting sports? They can and do.

    I can almost guarantee that you (and I ) have been cheated along the line playing blackjack, if not casino sponsored (or knowledge), maybe just some rouge dealer dealing seconds, to make his numbers at his table look better, to protect his ass. That doesn't mean it is widespread and players can't still make money playing blackjack.

    You simply try to protect yourself. Be vigilant. And that includes using your gut feeling (knowledge and experience) as well as software to tell you when something isn't right. Unfortunately select memory works against us. Sometimes you get in one of those funks (periods of non winning) and it seems worse than it is. Use software to determine how unusual losing periods or streaks are. When it gets above 2 standard deviations, really take a hard look, trying to identify any abnormalities, which is a polite way of saying "cheating".

    Even if you find nothing, doesn't mean it isn't there. And even if it isn't there and is just extreme bad fortune at a specific casino, there is no harm in taking that casino out of your playing rotation. Play at places you feel comfortable with and have results that feel more normal. I have several casinos currently that I have never proved to myself that they are cheating, but my life long results are such that I am no longer comfortable playing there so they are out of my rotation.

    I am not out to beat every casino. I am not out to prove I am the greatest card counter to ever live (something you have said from time to time ). I am out to make money and I give myself the best chance to do so. And if that means there is a casino I can't beat (for whatever reason) I don't play that game.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 10-08-2020 at 10:10 PM.

  19. #19
    ZenKorN, it's time for you to head on back to Corn Junction, Iowa and maybe grow some corn. Then, if it don't rain, you can bitch about how you got cheated out of a crop. If the price of corn drops you can bitch about how the market cheated you out of money. And remember, corncobs make good ass wipers so you never have to worry about a toilet paper shortage.

    And when you get old and grey you can tell your grand-kids how you got cheated in Las Vegas.

    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #20
    And if Corn Junction, Iowa has so much action that you get frazzled, you might want to consider a quieter place with less going on. I heard about this entire state called Montana....

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