Finding Grandpa's Newell

[mcap]

Guinea pigs are a “staple food” in Peru. Fucking savages.
# dropping knowledge

[quahaug]

I was shocked when I first heard of Grinders.
I told them, I'm from PA... those are Hoagies!

I was shocked when I first heard of Hoagies...those are Subs.

Sorry, they're grinders. Goes with a nice coffee cabinet!

[coach belly]

Sorry, they're grinders. Goes with a nice coffee cabinet!

I suppose you buy your booze at the Packy, and drink water from the bubbler?

[accountinquestion]

To clarify, I asked a lot of Italians not guinea pigs.

You asked the wrong people. Guinea is an African area/coast.

Oh I thought New Guinea was a part of Australia not Africa.
You learn something new every day.

Well, New Mexico isn't part of Mexico? TBH I had no idea either so I googled it and urbandictionary told me. I also learned where wop comes from.. lol.

[quahaug]

I've never been able to find the meaning of guinea in regards to Italians and I've asked a lot of them. Anybody got any ideas?

Here's what I found using Google...

Guinea
region along the west coast of Africa, presumably from an African word (perhaps Tuareg aginaw "black people"). As a derogatory term for "an Italian" (1896) it is from Guinea Negro (1740s) "black person, person of mixed ancestry;" applied to Italians probably because of their dark complexions relative to northern Europeans, and after 1911 it was occasionally applied to Hispanics and Pacific Islanders as well.

Never heard that, maybe. I haven't heard it applied to anyone but Italians though. But why Guinea and not some other random African nation?

[coach belly]

But why Guinea and not some other random African nation?

Maybe because Guinea is coastal, and most European traders didn't venture too far inland.

[mickeycrimm]

I think it is clear to everyone with a functioning brain that Rob does NOT have a Newell, never had a Newell, and has made some weak but very unconvincing attempts to keep the lie going. (The pics of him in a showroom Newell are hilarious, as is the fake for-sale ad.)...

...It is very clear to me that Rob never made big money through the double-up bug. If he did exploit that bug, he did so for relatively small money -- or at best he won via that bug, and then blew the money gambling later. Whatever the case, Rob never accumulated any real money assets via gambling, or otherwise he would have shown us by now. It's pretty obvious that all of Rob Singer's controversial stories are complete bullshit. Anyone who believes him at this point is either stupid or trolling. I actually believe coach belly is just a troll, and doesn't believe a word of what he writes about Rob.

Some people ask me why I don't ban Rob. I have stated time and time again that he's just a clown who enjoys aggravating people on forums. He isn't dangerous, isn't trying to sell anything, and isn't trying to scam anyone. He just enjoys telling tall tales and loves attention.


Anyway, I think this is all very clear, and Max proved what he set out to prove.

Druff's opinion. Doesn't mean it is right.

[mickeycrimm]

Alan loved Rob until one day he decided he hated Rob lol.
Life's Hard.

That is not really accurate, nor fair to Alan.

Alan believed Rob's claims of being able to win with progression wagering, stop limits and "special plays". Why wouldn't Alan believe that as he is a losing -EV player, who believes in that kind of voodoo. So for years Alan provided Rob the platform, both this forum and through videos they did to make his voodoo-ish gambling claims, that seemed reasonable to Alan.

Then one day, they met for breakfast and Rob, changed his whole story...a story he had been pushing for 2 decades about making millions over 10 years playing this "system". He changed his story to make room for yet another fantastic claim, the double up bug claim.

That is when Alan saw the light. Nothing wrong with that. Better late than never. And as soon as Alan, a longtime supporter began to question Rob, in a very reasonable manner, it was Rob who went berserk and turned on Alan attacking everything from his marriages to making up a story about Alan being charged with beating his girlfriend. This was typical Rob Singer playbook attacks.

Alan may be everyone's favorite punching bag, mine too to some degree as it is fun to pick on Alan about the 18 y.o.'s in a row and his voodoo-ish gambling beliefs, but he doesn't deserve that.

Alan's gambling opinions here were far more dangerous than Singer's. I pointed this out a long time ago. Long before any truce. Alan was a B-celebrity pushing irrational gambling logic. He had a far bigger audience than Singer. Alan's gambling analysis' were totally outrageous.

[mickeycrimm]

Mr Mickeycrimm, why do you believe Mr Singer's claim that he discovered the double up bug?

Hey, Alan. What's up? Good to see you back.

My opinion at the time was I thought it highly likely Rob put down the Double Up play. You asking me why I "believe" he did it is taking what I said out of context. I said "highly likely" not "he absolutely" put the play down. How could I possibly know for a 100% fact, since I wasn't there.

How long ago was that? A Couple of years ago? I've forgotten. And I've forgotten some of the evidence. I'm trying to remember.

I think one of the big pieces of evidence to me was Rob announcing his retirement from what he considered professional video poker play in 2009 just a couple of months after the two idiots got busted. I was the one that put two and two together on that. No one else around here knew Rob made that announcement back in 2009 or didn't remember it. I did. I was the one that brought it to everyone's attention.

Another piece of evidence was Rob knew the sequence of events to get the higher jackpot that was published in a news article was wrong. He explained in great detail the exact sequence.

Also, the bug didn't occur on just any Game King. Rob told everyone here what to look for in the casinos around the United States.

Rob knows more about the double up bug than any person in gambling or manufacturing of the machines.

I put out a $1000 reward for information that anyone taught Rob anything about the double up bug. That's been at least a couple of years ago and no one has come forward.

I think my take on the evidence is more credible than:

1) Someone saying Singer announcing his retirement in 2009 at almost the exact same time as the two idiots got busted is mere coincidence.

2) Someone saying Singer's expertise on the double up bug was learned on the internet.

3) Someone saying that some phantom person taught Singer the sequence long after the two idiots got busted.

Alan, there is no doubt that KJ will jump in here now and continue on with wild cockeyed fantasies about how it was all a diabolical plot by Singer. He uses no evidence, mind you, just wild cockeyed theories. My poor old granddaddy would say about him "That boy is tetched" (touched).

I stand by my original opinion that Singer most likely put down the double up play. Since I made that judgement KJochio has thrown every insult in the book at me to get me to change my opinion. His tactics have not and will not work. He's offered nothing but wild conjecture.

If it ever comes to fruition that I'm totally wrong on this issue then I will stand corrected. I'll take it like a man then move on. Life is filled with mistakes. Alan, you know that for sure. But until someone can prove Singer did not put down the double up play I stand by my opinion.

Mr Mickeycrimm I appreciate your take on Mr Singer's claim and how he supports it, but will you concede that none of it is proof?

Retirement date is not proof.
Identifying machines is not proof.
Providing details on the procedure is not proof because there is no way to know if even Mr Singer's method is correct.

Retirement dates could very well be circumstantial. Everyone knows only certain machines (older) had the bug and that was in the original article. And providing missing procedures is a claim that can't or has not been confirmed. In fact, I could simply say that the missing link to the procedure of the bug was that a $2 bill must be inserted.

(By the way, what happens if you do insert a $2 bill into a machine?)

Saying his retirement date is not proof....is not proof he lied.
Saying that identifying machines is not proof...does not prove he didn't put down the play.
Saying that providing details does not prove anything....also doesn't disprove anything.

With time being what it is I put the probability that Rob's retirement date was just coincidence somewhere between slim and none. But you can always say it's possible....just like 18 yo's in a row is possible.

There is another piece of evidence I forgot to include. Rob told us the published sequence was wrong. KJochio, looking for evidence to shoot down Rob's story, contacted the author of the article and asked him about the sequence. The author told him he intentionally used a wrong sequence.

How could Rob have possibly known the published sequence was wrong if he had never worked the play? Of course, KJochio's assertion was some phantom person taught the sequence to Rob after the fact. Here's the problem with that assertion. Where did KJochio get that idea? HE FABRICATED IT to back his narrative.

Rob is a huge target in the gambling world. Why have these phantom people never come forward to tell us Rob is a fraud? I'll tell you why. PHANTOM'S ARE TOTALLY LACKING IN COMMUNICATION SKILLS. THEY CAN'T SEE, HEAR OR SPEAK.

[mickeycrimm]

Rob has had his laughs over the years, but eventually he realized the consequences of the catastrophic mistake he made in being a keyboard warrior and a wannabe VP AP instead of working hard and saving for old age.

Time marches on, and his mistake has come back to haunt him.

These days it's the high point of his day to snag a few extra ketchup packets from Jack in the Box.

Hell, he's trying to figure out how to AP vending machines.

How low the once flighty have fallen.

I have no idea if Rob is filthy rich or dead broke....or somewhere in between. But it's amazing how much you guys know about his wealth....or lack thereof.

[mickeycrimm]

I was shocked when I first heard of Grinders.
I told them, I'm from PA... those are Hoagies!

I was shocked when I first heard of Hoagies...those are Subs.

Sorry, they're grinders. Goes with a nice coffee cabinet!

Sorry, you guys are all wrong. They are not grinders, hoagies or subs. They are gyros (pronounced hero's).

[mickeycrimm]

Papua New Guinea is the world's 2nd largest island. It's located of the northern coast of Australia.

[Mission146]

Saying his retirement date is not proof....is not proof he lied.
Saying that identifying machines is not proof...does not prove he didn't put down the play.
Saying that providing details does not prove anything....also doesn't disprove anything.

With time being what it is I put the probability that Rob's retirement date was just coincidence somewhere between slim and none. But you can always say it's possible....just like 18 yo's in a row is possible.

There is another piece of evidence I forgot to include. Rob told us the published sequence was wrong. KJochio, looking for evidence to shoot down Rob's story, contacted the author of the article and asked him about the sequence. The author told him he intentionally used a wrong sequence.

How could Rob have possibly known the published sequence was wrong if he had never worked the play? Of course, KJochio's assertion was some phantom person taught the sequence to Rob after the fact. Here's the problem with that assertion. Where did KJochio get that idea? HE FABRICATED IT to back his narrative.

Rob is a huge target in the gambling world. Why have these phantom people never come forward to tell us Rob is a fraud? I'll tell you why. PHANTOM'S ARE TOTALLY LACKING IN COMMUNICATION SKILLS. THEY CAN'T SEE, HEAR OR SPEAK.

Good evening, everyone.

I'm basically just appearing to back up MC's statement about the published sequence being wrong. Please note that I am not currently offering an opinion about whether or not Rob Singer did the DUB and have almost zero interest in the subject of whether or not he did it. I WOULD be interested in interviewing him if he could prove (to my satisfaction) that he did it, but I don't think he would care to participate in such an interview anyway.

Anyway, I've spoken to one of the individuals KNOWN to have done the DUB and can confirm that he believes something is inaccurate with the step-by-step in the WIRED article. I'm hoping to conduct a full-length interview with this individual one day, but he's not sure whether or not he can actually do it for reasons that I will not disclose here. The only thing that I can add is that this individual did not specifically say that the mistake (in the article) was intentional, but that doesn't mean it wasn't.

[kewlJ]

Mission, I would suggest you contact the author of the article if you haven't already. He will confirm that they knew the sequence published was not accurate and that it was intentionally so. Doesn't take much to guess why.

The fact that Singer knew the sequence was wrong is not as definitive as some people think as many people seemed to have this knowledge. There are many ways and people one could learn that from....AFTER THE FACT.

[Mission146]

Mission, I would suggest you contact the author of the article if you haven't already. He will confirm that they knew the sequence published was not accurate and that it was intentionally so. Doesn't take much to guess why.

The fact that Singer knew the sequence was wrong is not as definitive as some people think as many people seemed to have this knowledge. There are many ways and people one could learn that from.

I don't disbelieve you, so I have no need to contact that author. The individual that I spoke to (who definitely participated in the DUB) might just not remember that the article had the mistake intentionally...he recalls that there IS an inaccuracy, so that's what is relevant. After all, the WIRED article was published in 2014, so that's a pretty specific thing whether the inaccuracy is intentional or not.

[MisterV]

Not to hijack the thread, but I wonder how difficult it would be for a really, really sharp coder to get hired on by a slot machine company like IGT and install a secret program that only he or someone who knows about it can take advantage of?

Sort of like Ronald Dale Harris, except instead of working for the Nevada Gaming Commission he'd work for the mfr.:see -- https://www.gamblingsites.com/info/f...s-reid-mcneal/

I wonder what IGT and other mfr's do to prevent employees from doing such a thing?

I mean, you can't watch a guy ALL the time...

[mcap]

Oh boy, Christmas comes early. Assume the position Mission “graced” us with his presence.

[coach belly]

Sorry, you guys are all wrong. They are not grinders, hoagies or subs. They are gyros (pronounced hero's).

Nope.

The grinder/hoagie/sub is called a hero in some areas around NYC (but not in NJ).

Gyros are Greek lamb sandwiches on pita bread...totally different than a hero.

[Mission146]

Oh boy, Christmas comes early. Assume the position Mission “graced” us with his presence.

I guess. I read here a few times a week; I usually just don't have anything to add to the conversation, so I don't log in.

[monet]

Oh boy, Christmas comes early. Assume the position Mission “graced” us with his presence.

It does appear that we are truly blessed.