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Thread: Understanding Slotloser’s $200K yearly income comment

  1. #1
    “So its clear to me the people making 200k or more a year from machines is less then 6. Based on the jokes I’m reading from people like MaxPen, and that Buffalo Diamond Loser. So there’s no value in sharing information. No point it would be a one way street. We all lose“

    Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/freeplayA...10324633370626

    I got asked about this comment so I will explain. Let’s assume the $200K is a straight up number, e.g. no points to free slot play, mailers, bounce backs, gifts you would resell on eBay et al, etc. And **NO TEAM PLAY**.

    Suppose the person worked 50 weeks out of the year (2 weeks off for a vacation).

    Suppose we use theory of CE that a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush or $1 profit is worth roughly $2 in EV.

    Source: “ As has been pointed out by MathProf, the CE profit is approximately half of the expected profit.”
    https://bj21.com/category/advantage-...valentanalysis

    Now, we could put things into perspective:
    1) $200K / 50 is $4K a week
    2) $4K a week is roughly the equivalent of finding $8K in EV per week.

    Now you see the problem.

    Most people can’t calculate the correct EV, much less find $8K of EV each week for 50 weeks. Mickey Crimm tried to calculate the EV of a massive progressive Sequential RF and failed (miserably as expected as in a Crimmtard can do AP level math). Calculating EV for Bonus Slots is hard. However, Slotloser has an advantage because he has access to Par Sheets.

    Second, scavengers run into the issue of Bonus Slots being nerfed, e.g. they are not as profitable as before.

    I am not agreeing with Slotloser’s opinion, but you need to put that $200K into the proper context.

  2. #2
    I said “Straight Up” for a reason.

    Slotloser made it known he is on the Family plan or Extended Family plan, e.g. he runs multiple cards. Before the Nerf, Hex 3 with 3 spaces left on Reel 3 was a play for those these card plans, e.g. you see a guy with a stack of player’s cards and running coin in through each card. (Btw, I played with 1 or 2 spaces left on Reel 3). I saw teams taking down every Hex 3 and then driving to another casino.

    It’s really easy to make $200K using Team Play on Hex 3 because only 1 of the cards will hit the Reel 3 progressive. It’s the same thing people did with the $10K MHB’s, only one of the cards will show the Major jackpot while the other cards are losers.

    Take Thunder Valley for example, you get as much as $400 free play twice a week or $800 a week. One card is $800, two cards is $1,600 and when you get 5 cards, you are at $4K in Free Play a week.

    My post was about a Straight Up number. IMO SlotLoser EASILY crunched the $200K bogey on Hex 3 using multiple player’s cards. If SlotLoser has been playing Hex 3 since November 2019 with Par sheets, take the over bet if someone wants to bet if SlotLoser made “$200K” from Hex 3 where the $200K is an all-in number.

  3. #3
    I made a joke about your dumbass. Not against Slotloser's claim of 200k a year or whatever. By the way, you had it at 10k a week on hex and now you're at 200k a year. You really have to be one of the biggest idiots out here by far. I'm still waiting for one of your "followers" to come forward and admit it. They might as well be following the north star thru the Sahara desert without a jug of water. The only thing you have is a compilation of bullshit derived from reading shit on the internet and trying to make sense of it.
    Last edited by MaxPen; 10-20-2020 at 11:40 PM.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I made a joke about your dumbass. Not against Slotloser's claim of 200k a year or whatever. By the way, you had it at 10k a week on hex and now you're at 200k a year. You really have to be one of the biggest idiots out here by far. I'm still waiting for one of your "followers" to come forward and admit it. They might as well be following the north star thru the Sahara desert without a jug of water. The only thing you have is a compilation of bullshit derived from reading shit on the internet and trying to make sense of it.
    information only help shark, not wannabe, cannot help losers. I get portion wannabe money eventually.

  5. #5
    Braindead, ex-crement is at it again. This dude's IQ is lower than his age. Now he's trying to tell us that EV cashes for only half it's value. Fucking stupid. It's not just regular stupid either. We're talking stupid to the 10th power.

    And the braindead motherfucker thinks showing the odds of a sequential royal without a strategy shift is wrong. What a fucking idiot. But what's worse is he is trying to tell us that he solved the problem of the 150K sequential. He did no such thing. He never gave a true answer, just a ballpark number. Piece of shit.

    And how did he perform with the keno problem I put up? He ran for the hills like the dirty little coward he is. He hid for days and only poked his head up when he thought the coast was clear. The coast ain't clear, ex-crement. You chickenshitted out BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T DO THE MATH.

    EX-CREMENT CANNOT DO AP MATH. HE USES FANCY WORDS TO COVER FOR HIS LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF GAMBLING MATH.

    And here's something else that is an easy read on him. He's out-competed. The AP's in his neighborhood have him pushed to the rail. He's to chickenshit to play anything but a low roller nut play because:

    Ex-Ap'S LOW BANKROLL FITS HIS LOW IQ.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #6
    On the subject of royal progressives. I'm going to give it it's own thread. But, ex-crement, since you "know so much" about royal progressives....could you tell us the three different strategies that AP's use on royal flush video poker progressives?

    There are actually 3 distinct strategy charts that an AP may choose to use on a lone royal progressive.

    EX-CREMENT, CAN YOU NAME THE THREE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #7
    Let me make sure I'm following here... Max, Mickey, and I don't know what we are talking about but the troll on twitter who changes races and sexually every 3 days with a bunch of highschool football players following him is the bees knees? If that's the premise it doesn't even warrant a response.

  8. #8
    Why do you insist on making the simple complicated? Is it to appear intelligent?

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by radicalwin View Post
    Why do you insist on making the simple complicated? Is it to appear intelligent?
    You have two people who playing in the same casino during the year. Person B gets lucky and gets the $10K Major drop 3 times while chasing the Minor MHB’s. Suppose the Majors totaled $29K. Does that mean Person B is $29K better than Person A?

    You can’t fix stupid.

    I am trying to educate those with an open mind. You never judge something base on their actual winnings so making $200K is irrelevant. You judge someone on their ability to (A) find +$EV and (B) convert +$EV into real cash.

    $200K earnings is roughly equal to finding $400K in $EV. Most scavengers know a play is +EV, but can’t tell you how much that play is worth.

    So I’m not surprised by your comments. It was never simple to begin with.

  10. #10
    There is variance involved but the idea that the actual value is half the expectation is unmitigatedly stupid. There will be times you cash for less and times you cash for more.

    Ex-clement the more you write the more you expose your incompetence.

    C’mon and tell us how much you know about video poker progressive strategy. Explain the various strategies to us like we are 3rd graders. You’d like to do it to rub my nose in it. But you can’t do it, can you? Because you don’t know anything about it. You are ignorant as the day is long about it.

    Stings like a bitch, don’t it?



    So I’m not surprised by your comments. It was never simple to begin with.[/QUOTE]
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #11
    You overcomplicate the math on determining the amount of ev.

    You incorrectly state $200k in earning is equal to finding $400k in EV. Are you gambling away half you earnings on -EV? If a play is worth $10, it is worth $10. It is not worth 5.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by radicalwin View Post
    You overcomplicate the math on determining the amount of ev.

    You incorrectly state $200k in earning is equal to finding $400k in EV. Are you gambling away half you earnings on -EV? If a play is worth $10, it is worth $10. It is not worth 5.
    Dude is a tard,,,,,nuff said.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    I said “Straight Up” for a reason.

    Slotloser made it known he is on the Family plan or Extended Family plan, e.g. he runs multiple cards. Before the Nerf, Hex 3 with 3 spaces left on Reel 3 was a play for those these card plans, e.g. you see a guy with a stack of player’s cards and running coin in through each card. (Btw, I played with 1 or 2 spaces left on Reel 3). I saw teams taking down every Hex 3 and then driving to another casino.

    It’s really easy to make $200K using Team Play on Hex 3 because only 1 of the cards will hit the Reel 3 progressive. It’s the same thing people did with the $10K MHB’s, only one of the cards will show the Major jackpot while the other cards are losers.

    Take Thunder Valley for example, you get as much as $400 free play twice a week or $800 a week. One card is $800, two cards is $1,600 and when you get 5 cards, you are at $4K in Free Play a week.

    My post was about a Straight Up number. IMO SlotLoser EASILY crunched the $200K bogey on Hex 3 using multiple player’s cards. If SlotLoser has been playing Hex 3 since November 2019 with Par sheets, take the over bet if someone wants to bet if SlotLoser made “$200K” from Hex 3 where the $200K is an all-in number.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #14
    Ex-crement doesn't know the Hexes as well as he would like you to believe he does. He says the multi-card play is playing when the middle column is 3 away. Yep, it sure was. On a lot of machines to. But there were some machines that had the highest paying chip in them. They were a play at 4 away. A lot of those machines got "nerfed." And just WTF does "nerf" mean? It means they put a lower paying chip in the machine. That's all.

    Anyone that's been around knows that IGT usually has a half dozen different chips for machines usually running from 85% to 97%. It's up to each individual casino which chip they use. When they change the payback nothing got "nerfed." They simply went to a lower paying game.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #15
    When a casino changes the payback of a machine they don't send memos around to their competition that they better do the same. The hexes got cut where they were getting a ton of action from AP's working freeplay.

    I recently got to play a hex for the first time. I had been holding out until I found one that was 3 away. This casino didn't get pounded by AP's. I made 11K spins on the 80 level and finished a $387 winner. I didn't hit anything extroardinary. But I found out a lot of things about the game. I can see where playing them from 3 away on the right machines is strong for running action to get freeplay.

    I made 8300 hundred spins the first night. All those spins were with the middle row being 3 away. The 8300 spins didn't budge it.

    I had to get some sleep. Early the next morning some lady was on the machine. I went and found another machine that was 3 away. I made 2700 spins to get it to advance to 2 away.

    At that point I was $387 ahead on my play from being 3 away. It only took 987 spins to move it to 1 away. Then 650 spins to advance it to the top.

    I was actually pissed that the top two levels came off so easy. I was looking forward to playing for awhile with the damn thing wide open. The 7 and 8 levels have to be better payback than the 6 level.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 10-26-2020 at 04:26 PM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  16. #16
    They dont have to change chips any longer. Techs can chage the payback percentage and even change game types from a pull up screen on the game cabinet. You'll see them do this with video poker as well.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    They dont have to change chips any longer. Techs can chage the payback percentage and even change game types from a pull up screen on the game cabinet. You'll see them do this with video poker as well.
    Either way they lowered the payback.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #18
    Since freeplayAP may have the Hex3 par sheet and tweeted that 573 is 8% RTP on the base game then 7163 ways would be breakeven/100% RTP on the base game if ways have linear payback on this game:
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    It doesn't sound like an unreasonable RTP for 7163 ways.

  19. #19
    You have to factor in the prizes at the top

  20. #20
    In some states like Maryland only the Lottery can change the payback percentage. The techs can't there.

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